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#1001 ken devine

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:46

i have just looked up a 1966 visor magazine the phoinex had a transverse peugeot engine.some engineering.

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#1002 Terry Walker

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 04:12

The Pegasus underbonnet:

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And Stan Jones with the Cooper Climax:

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#1003 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:01

Terry,

That picture of Stan Jones is just priceless...

I assume it is Caversham and I can see the Lukey Cooper in the background, so it must be 1959.

I didnt know SJJ rACED A t51 AT CAVERSHAM

#1004 ken devine

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:16

yes it was 1959 and there are 2 excellent shots of len lukey in the set.we cant show youguys to much of tnis series at once.this is one of the best series of photos to come into our collection.

#1005 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:28

Must be that car he raced in the NZGP in 1960..ex Victa?...finished fourth and sold on to Aussie Miller

I could never understand why he sold a T51 and rather, throughouit 1960 used the Maybach and the tired 250F instead of the Cooper.

Where did he finish at Caversham?

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#1006 David McKinney

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:46

Jones was second at Caversham (behind Lukey) and, yes, went on to race the car in the NZGP. It wasn't the ex-Victa car, but another of the many T51s Bib Stillwell had at the time (and had used to win at Bathurst in October) - red with a broad yellow nose-band.
Although no-one ever said so, I think Aussie Miller may already have owned it before the January 1960 NZGP - he raced it at Philip Island in December.
Jonesy then got another T51, the powder blue one, but didn't race it until - from memory - October 1960 Bathurst.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 05:47

it was the 1959 WA Championships and Gold Star round.result was Len Lukey 1st Stan Jones 2nd Alex Mildren
3rd.a surprise entrant at this meeting was the first appearance of the ex David Mckay Aston Martin DB3s
in the hands of Ray Barfield .

#1008 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 06:28

Yes Indeed.

The T51 saga, involving Stillwell, Jones, Miller & Patterson is very complex...

Imagine the current World Championship winning F1 car available to the public

I remember in October 1959 at Fishermens Bend, going to the pits and in my wild excitement, I saw Bib Stillwell's brand-new red and yellow T51 and nearby, standing upon the rear wheel of his new white and blue T51, was Patto watching the motor bikes....current F1 cars albeit 2 or 2.2 litre .....

For me, the main interest was watching Doug Whiteford power slide his 300S around the hairpin..almost Swan Lake in its elegance... and, in the main race watching Lukey and Mildren battling in their T45's ..while Patto weaved about under brakes and Bib fought a misfire...

I don't remember the touring car races

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 06:58

This car was at Cavvo too: nice underbonnet shot of the Maserati 4 cyl installation.

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#1010 David McKinney

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 09:10

Originally posted by Stan Patterson
I don't remember the touring car races

Holdens 1-4. Easy winner was a former Customline driver having his first race in one of Australia’s Own. Name of Beechey. John Raeburn beat Harry Firth in a race-long battle for second and Bob Brown was fourth.
It’s OK, Stan. I knew you didn’t really want to know :lol:

#1011 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 09:51

Oh wow....

thanks for that David.....NOT..

I never had u down as having a sense of humour till now..*polite smile*

That pic of SJJ and Otto is priceless.......I cant believe Lukey in a T45 could finish ahead of SJJ unless Jones was driving a wheelie bin...

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 10:44

Slightly orf topic.
I noticed the mechanic fettling the Cooper Maser was wearing my, still, favourite item of footwear.
The desert boot !

#1013 Terry Walker

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 10:59

Paddock scene, Caversham, late 1950s. Kevin Lang's newly acquired sports car just arrived from distant Victoria (and is still owned by him today!)

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#1014 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:01

In brown desert boots...

That would be Glen Abbey, surely?

#1015 275 GTB-4

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:10

Originally posted by Ray Bell
In brown desert boots...

That would be Glen Abbey, surely?


I owned and wore several pairs of brown desert boots...everyone in Australia did at one time :rolleyes:

#1016 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:13

These pics are magic,

I see a 53/54 Customline, an ealry Holden , a Wolsley 4/44 and a Ford DEFECT..plus an elgant lady.

but nothing to compare the the gent in shorts, felt hat and an apparently very early waist mounted mobile phone in the WA Cooper pic...

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#1017 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:33

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
I owned and wore several pairs of brown desert boots...everyone in Australia did at one time :rolleyes:


Your point being?

Where is the man in shorts and felt hat, Stan? And I hope you didn't miss the second Customline... standard ware in the pits those days.

#1018 Stan Patterson

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:42

At the servo Ray..looking at the Cooper and ..(gulp,.,swallow blush)..the A90

It takes a big man to admit he is wrong

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#1019 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 12:18

A50, Stan... or A55...

And it's just a fold in his cardigan, no mobile phone.

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#1020 275 GTB-4

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 13:25

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Your point being?


Sunbeam Rapier wit..or at least half of it :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 03:38

Originally posted by Ray Bell
A50, Stan... or A55...

And it's just a fold in his cardigan, no mobile phone.


Ray,
The bloke in the shorts and felt hat pictured with the trailer and Austin A50/55?
I would bet everything in your wallet that it is Rod Styles, the 'tweed' hat with its peculiar "bang" in the crown the give-away.
He still has it, spotted at the 50th Anniversary do at Caversham recently.

#1022 Terry Walker

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 04:08

The first Collie around the houses meeting - 1960.

Jeff Dunkerton in shiny new MGA leads Bob Annear, Pegasus. (Edit - photo actually by Lyn Morgan)

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:37

Love the dad,mate son and family dog seperated from the race cars by....well....nothing!!!

To continue arguing about almost nothing,didn't the A40 Engine end up with an alloy head as the Datsun 1000/1200, NOT the 1600-see earlier post.

#1024 ken devine

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:11

not everybody wore desert boots,i couldn't stand the things myself and i still cant.

#1025 Wilyman

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:27

Ken,
What happened way back then, a bodgie steal your girl friend? :lol:

#1026 ken devine

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 06:41

The Datsun 1000 &1200 the BMC A Series as did the 120y i used these cars in a driving school.

#1027 Terry Walker

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 07:33

Bodgies didn't wear desert boots - they wore black ripple-soles, lime green socks, and skin tight tapered black jeans with zips on every pocket.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 07:40

The TS is refuelled on the same forecourt, the Styles garage, as the earlier pics of the McLaren. Proof it ran on pump gas!

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:05

Thanks,Those Photo's are priceless ,they all tell a story

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:18

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Bodgies didn't wear desert boots - they wore black ripple-soles, lime green socks, and skin tight tapered black jeans with zips on every pocket.


Terry,
I'll hold off on this one and let someone else put you right. :)

#1031 David McKinney

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:35

We had another name for "black ripple-soles" when I was a lad

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:37

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Bodgies didn't wear desert boots - they wore black ripple-soles, lime green socks, and skin tight tapered black jeans with zips on every pocket.


or "winkle pickers" with said fluero socks...sometimes with a fleck in em :)

and black "drain pipe" jeans

#1033 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:38

Originally posted by ken devine
The Datsun 1000 &1200 the BMC A Series as did the 120y i used these cars in a driving school.


No, not at all... it's a little longer than the A-series because it has bigger bores and shorter stroke...

The Nissan development of the A40 engine went out to about 1500cc, to my knowledge without ever gaining an alloy head.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:38

Originally posted by David McKinney
We had another name for "black ripple-soles" when I was a lad


brothel creepers??

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 13:51

These photos continue to be a fabulous insight into another era in another "world". Many thanks
Roger Lund

#1036 Terry Walker

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 01:38

Two views of the spectator bridge before the last turn onto the straight at Caversham, 1957 ot thereabouts, and mid-60s . Today only the concrete abutments survive.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 01:42

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And what's left now - Image from Travis Barnes - Barniesphotos

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 01:53

Sid Taylor being towed to a race meeting in the TS Spl. I don't know if he's screaming in terror, or holding a conversation with his daughter, who is taking the photo, in the towcar. The wheels you can see are the rear wheels, so I guess a towbar was in use.

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Before the paddock was enclosed, and the straight fenced, this was a typical Caversham paddock scene. The markings are the last positions on the grid, and the frogeye sprite suggests 1959 or a little later.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:48

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Paddock scene, Caversham, late 1950s. Kevin Lang's newly acquired sports car just arrived from distant Victoria (and is still owned by him today!)

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This car looks to be HRG based. Is that correct?

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#1040 Terry Walker

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:10

Not just based: it's an HRG. This is another view:

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#1041 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 07:36

Originally posted by Terry Walker
.....Before the paddock was enclosed, and the straight fenced, this was a typical Caversham paddock scene. The markings are the last positions on the grid, and the frogeye sprite suggests 1959 or a little later.

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Terry, if it's any help... the cars visible that might date it are the TS Special, a red Cooper Bristol, the Bondley Vanguard and the Alpha.

According to a book I once read (and re-read!), that Cooper was gone by the end of 1962. Have I got that right? So it's down to when the Bondley got that paint job and other detail to date this.

Or is the date on the slide?

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:04

My best guess is late 1960 to end 61. In mid-1962 Vin Smith rebuilt the Alpha (shown in the pic) into the Vindid, so it has to be before then. The paddock was fenced before the 62 AGP. Sid Taylor had pretty well retired by the end of 1960, although Norm Rossiter occasionally raced the TS. I got the pictures as a disc full of scans which Mrs Morgan had done for her. No dates.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:14

Hi Terry, it looks to be post-war Hurg running gear but the body must be one off special as I'm not sure HRG ever made one looking like that. But then I've been wrong before. I know Hurgs quite well as I have a post-war car myself with a B18B Volvo engine in it, a nice combination that turns it into a flying machine.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:21

Originally posted by Ray Bell


No, not at all... it's a little longer than the A-series because it has bigger bores and shorter stroke...

The Nissan development of the A40 engine went out to about 1500cc, to my knowledge without ever gaining an alloy head.


The very first Datsun Bluebirds as they were called in NZ arrived here from memory around 1965/66 I worked on them when they first came here,the engines were very similar to the B type BMC of that era,they didn't give the valve burning,head cracking problems that the B series gave at that time ,I believe that the better carburetor they were fitted with gave a better mixture distribution ,one thing I do remember is they had very large cups on the end of the valve end of the pushrod's ,when setting the tappets you had to make sure that you screwed the adjuster right down and removed the excess oil first ,before setting the clearance otherwise you ended up with noisy tappets

#1045 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:40

We had those Bluebirds, I think in 1200 or 1300cc form, about 1962...

Never knew that about the tappet adjustment. But I don't think I've ever looked under a rocker cover on one of them.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:42

I have the pit scene listed as 58 but i am not sure when the sprite came out.the Healy 100/4 is Ted Hankte
and the Healy 100/6 is Daryl McGuiness who only raced in 58 and 59.Vin Smiths Alpha was still racing in 62.
The person in the TS being towed is Mrs Taylor.After the death of Syd Anderson in 1957 the TS was
mostly driven by Norm Rossiter,although Syd drove it in the 58 Championships to tie with Syd Negus.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:43

Originally posted by Wilyman
I have this feeling that some of you blokes aren't as old as you claim to be.

Ripple sole desert boots, "winkle pickers" and black jeans with multiple zips were a fashion of and after the Beatles era usually worn by 'bogans'.
The true bodgie came along after WW2 affecting the tapered trousers, wide shouldered long jackets or "zoot suits" mimicking American styling.
The Aussie bodgie progressed to the tapered "snake proofs", desert boots [the originals] or thick crepe soled suede shoes. Long jackets as above with plain coloured round or short collared shirts worn with a narrow 2" tie. The extreme among us adopted the English "Teddy Boy" long coats with velvet collars.
The Aussie bodgie had a life span from the early '50's to early '60's with nary a ripple sole to be seen.;)

Terry and Ken,
Don't let these silly diversions put you off your fantastic photographic histories.
Thanks.
Wily.


Odd post Wilyman...none of us are as old as we wish we wern't...I certainly lived through the Bodgies and Widgies here in the 50s/60s..born 1949....but whats the prize???

I'm sure that both Terry and Ken are happy with the reaction to their stunning pictures and with a little nostalgia being added from the time re fashions etc...lighten up?? :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:57

The HRG is listed in Historic Racing Cars in Australia as a special model Brown and Durea i take it they must have been the importers.It first raced at Rob Roy in 1951, and seemed to have a successful racing carreer.
Jim Harwood bought it in 1958,it was raced by several different drivers until being bought by Kevin Lang
who still owns it.At one stage it was given a Peugeot transplant.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 12:42

Great photos Terry and Ken - the quality (and the subjects) are superb!!!
I can't believe that this thread has generated over 1,000 responses and unearthed so many hidden gems!
Keep up the good work and hopefully it might encourage a few more people to dig out their old Australian motor racing pics and contribute.

Kaydee.

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 13:22

There would be more if John Ellacott could master the business...

But don't worry, we'll get him there somehow. It would also be nice to see John Medley post some of his early fifties black and whites.