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#1501 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 06:03

Phoned my brother... he also thinks it was Roger Clark (without seeing the pic...), some kind of promotional thing to build up the rally...

He wasn't in a Mk 2, though, he thinks his number was 37 and from my description he thinks this pic was taken at the Green Hills stage. And yes, Terry, that is a Mitsubishi Lancer, probably one of the Ralliart ones.

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#1502 Richard Davis

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 10:31

LHD RS2000 would be Bob Watson.....if my memory serves me correct Howard Marsden was involved as well.
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#1503 Terry Walker

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 10:41

I don't know where the Green Hills stage was. I didn't go beyond Stromlo Forest on the day. I wasn't there long, and took exactly 5 photos.

About 2 or 3 years later I bought a house overlooking Stromlo Forest, and could sit on the porch and watch the plumes of dust moving through the forest and hear the distant howl of rally engines. Another pic in the same neighbourhood.

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 05:08

One for the Mini experts.Wanneroo 1976 i cant recognise any.


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#1505 GeoffR

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 05:48

I reckon the most likely is the Escort RS2000 of Bob Watson / Jeff Beaumont.



Definitely the Watson/Beaumont car. It later appeared in the Warana Rally (Qld) "with right hand drive and in RS 2000 guise". Not sure what configuration it was in the Don Capasco - LHD RS 1600?

The Lancer looks like an ex Southern Cross 1600 GSR - probably Doug Stewart/Brian Hope.

#1506 Bruce R Moxon

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 06:37

Originally posted by GeoffR


Definitely the Watson/Beaumont car. It later appeared in the Warana Rally (Qld) "with right hand drive and in RS 2000 guise". Not sure what configuration it was in the Don Capasco - LHD RS 1600?

The Lancer looks like an ex Southern Cross 1600 GSR - probably Doug Stewart/Brian Hope.


Hi Geoff. Glad my guess turned out to be right ('cause a guess is all it was.)

I didn't think the Mk11 was built until 76 or so.

Know what? All these pictures of old Aussie rally cars and not a Datsun 1600 in the lot!

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Oops.


Keith Byrn, Manning Valley Rally 1983.



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#1507 GeoffR

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 06:56

Love those old rally photos - Escorts, Datsuns of all shapes & sizes, Mitsubishis, Mazdas and even Dazdas!!

I had a heap of photos & slides - Late 70's Southern Crosses, early 80's Alpines, Endrust etc. In a fit of "madness" I binned them all when I got into landscape photography. What an idiot!! :mad: :(

Bruce - love that clip, oh for the sound of BDAs in the forests again. I can remember spectating on an Alpine at a place called Clear Spot in the middle of the night & hearing Greg Carr & Bondy wind their way down off a ridge, accompanied by the odd flash of Cibies on the horizon. Just magic!!

#1508 275 GTB-4

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 07:28

Originally posted by GeoffR
I had a heap of photos & slides - Late 70's Southern Crosses, early 80's Alpines, Endrust etc. In a fit of "madness" I binned them all when I got into landscape photography. What an idiot!! :mad: :(


Please ask your sensai to give you a stiff upper cut for that moment of madness young Geoffery :down: :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 07:39

It's serendipitous that this thread has drifted toward rally cars; I scanned some slides this morning.

Southern Cross Rally 1973; Hawkmount (near Newcastle) special stage;

For the Datsun fans; Andrew Jackson/Peter Godden;

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Bob Watson/Jeff Beaumont (240Z);

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Barry Ferguson/Wayne Gregson (Lancer);

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Bob Holden/John Dawson-Damer (Escort);

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Tony Fall/Steve Halloran (240Z);

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And a couple of true heroes, wrestling with cars not much seen in rallying;

First Evan (Good 'Eavens, It's Green) Green/Roy Denny (Monaro);

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and Bruce Hodgson/Fred Gocentas (Falcon GT);

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#1510 GeoffR

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:11

Please ask your sensai to give you a stiff upper cut for that moment of madness young Geoffery



OK - so how do you know I'm a karateka?? And my sempai does that anyway!!
:)

Back on topic! Bruce Hodgson in the Phase IV Falcon = legend.

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 08:48

Yes, the only Phase IV to see competition. :clap:

#1512 275 GTB-4

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 10:57

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
Yep..sans beard and quite animated on an adrenelin buzz (no doubt)...the filum is titled "40 split seconds" which was the winning margin....I feel very priveledged to own a copy :smoking: :up:


Oops...ran the filum again tonight...a young Richards did have a beard!....it was Castrol sponsored film done by Australian ABC TV.

Ari had a two minute lead when his back wheel stepped out a little too far off an embankment and rolled once (lost over 4 minutes) then chased down Greg Carr (from Canberra) to lose by 40 seconds. Features Colin Bond (Escort) and Peter Brock (VB Commodore). Their speed on the tarmac was just awesome.

The mineshaft was used and interesting to see that the forest was only just being established in places.

#1513 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 January 2008 - 11:16

Originally posted by plannerpower
.....And a couple of true heroes, wrestling with cars not much seen in rallying;

First Evan (Good 'Eavens, It's Green) Green/Roy Denny (Monaro);

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And the numberplate... SM for Suttons Motors, right?

This was the car that set the scene for the P76 to run in the London-Munich...

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 04:04

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I'm not sure who this is, enjoying a wild ride at Caversham 1968.
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Dave Watkins is performing - giffo, is the same Dave Watkins punting a Royale FF in historicals?

If so, we will have Patto claiming the roll shook sense into him



Different Dave Watkins to the Royale version. The current Dave Watkins has been asked previously and can't add anything to this.
Does anyone else know or can add to this mini wrecking Dave Watkins history?

#1515 275 GTB-4

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 06:49

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Canberra, 1975, the Don Capasco Rally with an international vehicle: UK plates, looks like works team, I can't remember the driver (Roger Clark?). This was taken in the Stromlo Forest, burnt to the ground in the big fire, now just a black wasteland.


Purportedly...."No, that's Bob Watson in a privately entered RS 1600"

#1516 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 06:59

One day, one hour and one minute too late, Mick...

And my brother, having cleared the cobwebs out of his brain overnight, agrees.

#1517 Terry Walker

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 10:12

4 May 1969, 3rd ever race meeting at Wanneroo Park.

Sports cars on the grid ready to go. Front row 71 Chris Royston; 74 Doug Mould. 2nd Row, 65 Vic Watson, Goblin V8. 3rd row, 46, Peter Briggs, Cooper bobtail sports (ex Bill Patterson); No 60, Jim Cavanough, Holden; the obscured Mini is probably Wayne Negus's lightweight No 33; 4th Row: No 48 Mini Jack Kennedy; obscured Holden propbably 61, Rhod Lording; Next row, 37 Gordon Mitchell, Sprite; remaining two Holdens not clear - probably Jim Currie and Ray Johnson.

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The O'Sullivan Lola T70, 1969. Ex Sid Taylor car raced by Denny Hulme.


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#1518 ken devine

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 10:27

Terry i dont think Briggs owned the Cooper Climax at this time ,wouldn't it have been Mark Staniford?

#1519 Terry Walker

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:07

Peter bought it off the Stanifords after the end of the 1968 season. Glenice Staniford (now Glenice Matthews) is my reliable source: current Sec/Treas of the Rolls-Royce Owners' Club WA. (Mind you, she doesn't herself own an RR - her everyday car is a low-light side valve Morris Minor Tourer. It's her partner who ownes the heavy metal, a Phantom 2 boat-tail tourer and a Bentley Mk 6 Park Ward Convertible.)

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#1520 ken devine

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:37

you are right Terry i checked Historic Racing Cars Australia after i replied it says Briggs bought the car in
1969 and racing it for 2 years even ran in a 6hr.Strange i dont remember him driving it even though Milton
and i were handicapping at the time.it is a great pic.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:59

Originally posted by ken devine
you are right Terry i checked Historic Racing Cars Australia after i replied it says Briggs bought the car in
1969 and racing it for 2 years even ran in a 6hr.Strange i dont remember him driving it even though Milton
and i were handicapping at the time.it is a great pic.


#46 was Briggs preferred number - I well remember wondering why he bought the car, uncompetitive as it was at the time. Not a bad investment Peter.

Any photos of the ex Beechey 327 in the #46 Shell colours?

#1522 David Shaw

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:27

Is that Stan Starcevich's old EH?

#1523 ken devine

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 05:25

This is about the best shot of Briggs in the Beechey Monaro still in the Shell colours.sorry it's only B&W.


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Posted 30 January 2008 - 05:50

Syd Negus used the spares from the Cooper to build the Bristol Herald a very potent car,after it won it's
first race by a great margin the checked the fuel and it was illegal and he was disqualified from the race.


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Posted 30 January 2008 - 19:02

Originally posted by Terry Walker
Canberra, 1975, the Don Capasco Rally with an international vehicle: UK plates, looks like works team, I can't remember the driver (Roger Clark?). This was taken in the Stromlo Forest, burnt to the ground in the big fire, now just a black wasteland.

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Great shot of a super car! Love the Super Oscars :up: I have not got my "Works Escorts" book handy, but that looks like an RS2000, any identification available? Love the pictures of the Southern Cross Rally, Andy Cowan won that one year, did he not?

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 19:04

Originally posted by ken devine
Syd Negus used the spares from the Cooper to build the Bristol Herald a very potent car,after it won it's
first race by a great margin the checked the fuel and it was illegal and he was disqualified from the race.


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How was the rear suspension set up on this car? They were pretty hairy IIRC, my uncle had a 2litre Vitesse 6.........

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 19:28

I had a 2.5-litre Vitesse. Now that was a really bad idea! Too hairy for its own good.

#1528 GeoffR

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 19:29

Andy Cowan won that one year, did he not?


Five in a row - 1972 to 1976 - driving Mitsubishis
Also 1969 in an Austin 1800.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 21:08

Originally posted by GeoffR

Five in a row - 1972 to 1976 - driving Mitsubishis
Also 1969 in an Austin 1800.


I did Andy a disservice, I should have known that :blush:

#1530 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 00:06

That's all right...

That year it was in the Snowy Mountains, IIRC, the others were up the north coast.

#1531 Terry Walker

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 00:50

For Beechey fans, a little Beecheyana, all courtesy of Cavvy.

The faithful Beechey transporter, driven 2500 miles from Melbourne to Perth. That's Norm with the brown jacket.

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Wanneroo Park paddock, looks like the 350.

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Pit lane, Wanneroo. Looks like 1969.

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In the paddock. Beechey can just be made out inside the tent.

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#1532 ken devine

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 04:07

While on the subject of Beechey here is an excellent pit shot by Milton McCutcheon.




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Posted 31 January 2008 - 04:10

Interesting to see that last shot of the Beechey HK Monaro with the tyre mark.....

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I think I have mentioned before that this was obtained during the cars first race at Calder.... a clash with the Geoghegan Mustang..... This is part of a pic that I took in the Calder pits after the clash showing the same tyre marks.

The Monaro spent the rest of day the first race sitting on the back of the transporter to go to Perth.... why I've never really been sure.

Edit: I'm having trouble posting the pics in a larger size ): ... Got it now!

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 08:39

Cliff Byfield built this car as a production model of Jack Ayres sports but it did not eventuate this was the
only one built driven by Stan Starcevich in the 1961 6hr.Anybody know what happened to it?
Ihad another pic.but somebody stole it from my album when i was displaying it.


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Posted 01 February 2008 - 12:21

Lets get back on track with some real racing cars --Stillwell Type 51 Cooper Bathurst Easter 1961 Forrests Elbow. ( Hope you are watching Stan !!! )

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#1536 David Shaw

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 12:31

Great photo John, capturing Bib hard at work. I think that is the first colour photo I have seen of a Stillwell car without the yellow stripe.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 12:53

The one with the yellow stripe a different car David.

This photo Longford March 1960, my only visit to this circuit.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 20:09

Another excellent photo. :clap: It's hard to keep track of Stillwell's T51s, as I counted 4 that he owned in Blanden's book last night. I was trying to work out which car it was at Forrest's Elbow, and I believe it probably is the car that Jack drove to victory in the 1959 Monaco Grand Prix.

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 02:07

Here is one in Green at the 1962 AGP at Caversham.Probably a different car.



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#1540 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 02:17

Yes, that's his 'Lowline' T55... the last Cooper openwheeler he had...

Just about its last outing, too. He was in his Brabham at Warwick Farm not three months later.

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 03:51

Bib Stillwell Cooper Monaco Caversham 1962



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Posted 02 February 2008 - 06:05

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#1543 John Ellacott

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 06:24

Another shot of the Stillwell Cooper Monaco-- Homestead Corner Warwick Farm, I think it was December 1961.

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#1544 275 GTB-4

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 12:21

By George! I think Johns got it!! :clap: Well done :)

[PS

I believe some refinements may be required John....

1. your screen size selected in Photobucket is a little too large for the average screen (although it looks fine on yours!!) the next size down may be better.

2. storing your JPEGS in My Documents is probably not ideal...you may eventually clog up the C Drive on your computer (which should be just kept for running programes). You really should have a new folder which is (say) "Photobucket only" on your D Drive (the computer hard disk drive) because...if you should one day re-arrange your images...the links you have posted here may be lost.

This posting pictures lark only works if you keep the originals in the one place for your "Internet Photo Album" (Photobucket) to reference them...]

Back to normal programming :up:

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 14:20

it raced only the once? and later went east and had a V8 fitted and was hot rodded. It was found in melbourne some years back and is back in WA awaiting restoration.
There are about 5-6 pics of it the Western Australian newspapers have at least one pic

Cliff Byfield built this car as a production model of Jack Ayres sports but it did not eventuate this was the
only one built driven by Stan Starcevich in the 1961 6hr.Anybody know what happened to it?

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 21:57

I say !!!!!!

ABSOLUTELY SPLENDID JOHN

After those pics you should be on the carpet with the corgis........"Arise Sir John"

Thank you for saving the thread from the touring car gutter that it was sliding into..an excellent rescue.

The pic of Bib in the ex-Brabham 2.5 T51 at Bathurst is quite simply.... breathtaking ........

Maybe such pics will serve to demonstrate to the latter-day "motor racing fans", if you will pardon the misuse of the term, just how good our motor racing was before it was destroyed.


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#1547 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 23:04

I could still spoil your day, Stan...

I could put this one up to compare with the Monaco:

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Thanks again John for all of these pics. You must be delighted you can now post them for yourself!

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 00:06

Pictures of real racing cars never spoil my day Ray.

It is an interesting contrast to compare both cars in the same spot. The Monaco clearly looks an older car both in body design and ride height etc although, the 19B pic would have been taken when. 1966?, after big advances in tyre and wheel diameters and widths etc. I remember seeing the Monaco looking much squatter in the latter part of its career and of course we now know, after much debate, that the car had a completely re-designed rear chassis and suspension towards the end.

Incidentally Ray, I just re-read the last David Mckay book and in it he makes the comment that there "wasn't much love lost" between Bib and Frank ....I would be interested to know if it was just natural rivalry or whether it went deeper...any thoughts or commments?


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#1549 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 00:17

I know of nothing other than natural rivalry, Stan...

Also, that's not the 19B, that's the 19, which was built only a year or so after Bib's car.

I felt sure, looking at the pics of the Monaco posted above, that it didn't look that spindly and 'ancient' when I saw it, which was from late'62 onwards.

I have no doubt John has pics of it later in its career too. Here's the 19B for comparison:

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 01:38

Originally posted by Stan Patterson
Incidentally Ray, I just re-read the last David Mckay book and in it he makes the comment that there "wasn't much love lost" between Bib and Frank ....I would be interested to know if it was just natural rivalry or whether it went deeper...any thoughts or comments?


Not half an hour ago I was reading the race report on the 1963 Hordern Trophy. This was Frank's debut in his BT7A, and Bib apparently got the suspension on his BT4 upgraded on hearing of Frank's purchase. So obviously there was already a rivalry by this stage.

Stillwell led from the start in the 34 lap race and then Frank started to reel him in, finally catching up on lap 20 when they tangled in the esses. Matich was out on the spot, but Bib was able to keep going at a reduced pace to finish fourth behind Youl, McKay and Patterson. This of course wouldn't have helped things.

It seems to me that with Stillwell, first and foremost was to finish and gain points, but with Matich it was to be the fastest. After reading a lot of race reports of Gold Star races, I think that Matich brought the best out of Stillwell as Bib was a lot more determined then, and while he never got ragged he pushed himself a lot harder. This was obvious to me when I compiled the race report on the 1965 Victoria Trophy for my website.