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#2801 Guy Miller

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 22:47

Hi David

Thanks for the photo

Have seen this before. Old man in the middle with Bruce Burr on left and Geoff Smedley on the right

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#2802 Guy Miller

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 23:21

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#2803 eskimut

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 02:29

:wave: HI Guy :clap: ,
Trust Aussie is ok in Mortlake.
What cars from that era are still in the Miller family collection.?
(I thought Todd had the Copper Bristol on display a couple of years back at Sandown.?)
-Oh, and remind Ellis that they should be working on the new 'hot holden to run against ours. :rotfl:

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#2804 Guy Miller

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 04:27

Here's a couple more. Thought I would add the aircraft as this is the plane that Aussie flew back from England in 58 with the cooper climax in the back. A sister plane was also flown back with Ernie Tadgell at the controls. In the back of his he had the 1500 climax Lotus, now known as the Sabakat. Ernie was my godfather.
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The photo above of Aussie and the man next to him is taken from an old classic film. The man in the photo is Fred Austaire. Think thats how you spell his name. The name of the film was On the Beach. Aussie did a lot of the driving and foot and hand shots for the film. Not sure what sports car hPosted Imagee is sitting in No 5 in but I know that Lou Molina was also involved in the film. Perhaps the MM special?
The top black and white photo is the cooper corvette not sure where. The photo with the yellow car being driven past the young children is the miller special 1500 climax or little lemon as we knew it.
The above photo has the wrong tag on her. i reckon this is the 2.2L climax
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Eventually sold as discussed in earlier correspondence

#2805 David Shaw

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 07:28

While poking around Picture Australia, I found this link to pictures from Lake Perkolilli in 1927:
http://innopac.slwa....record=b1919786

#2806 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 January 2009 - 18:50

Originally posted by Guy Miller
Hi David

Thanks for the photo

Have seen this before. Old man in the middle with Bruce Burr on left and Geoff Smedley on the right


Geoff certainly looks young in that!

There's provision on that page for extra detail to be added, Guy, why not put a bit more in there?

#2807 John Ellacott

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 03:46

Austin Miller, Cooper T51 Climax, Warwick Farm February, 1961.

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#2808 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 06:17

Originally posted by John Ellacott
Austin Miller, Cooper T51 Climax, Warwick Farm February, 1961.

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Is that an FIA approved T shirt!!
Absolutely lovely photo.

#2809 Derek Pitt

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 07:46

Lovely picture of Aussie Miller at Warwick Farm .....love those T51's

However, I have a question for the detailed minded, why does the car have one "dainty" rear vision mirror on the right and a more conventional mirror on the left?

If one observes the Patterson, Whiteford and Stillwell T51's in the earlier pic, we see conventional mirrors both sides.

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#2810 Dick Willis

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 09:10

Also note the dry sump tank filler and air vent on the nose cone, the vent is usually incorporated in the cover for the filler cap. Also unusual is the cutout on the rhr of the body over the exhaust manifold.

#2811 Derek Pitt

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 10:29

Originally posted by Dick Willis
Also note the dry sump tank filler and air vent on the nose cone, the vent is usually incorporated in the cover for the filler cap. Also unusual is the cutout on the rhr of the body over the exhaust manifold.


Yes Dick,

That car always had the upper air vent on the nose ..it is the car that Stan jones finished 4th in the 1960 NZGP is it not ? The vent is clear in the famous "just-after-the-start" wall to wall Cooper pic of that race?

Bib Stillwell won the Victorian Trophey Race at Fishermens Bend in this car early in 1960 and we can see both the upper vent and no cutaway over the exhaust at that time.

Earlier in this thread there is a pic of Stan Jones in 1959 at Caversham standing beside this car, and of course he drove it in NZ January 1960, but Stillwell owned it at Fishermens Bend a month or so later.

My questions are then....who imported the car into Australia, did Jones sell it to Stillwell, who then loaned it back to Jones for NZGP?

The substantive question is however, given a 2.2 T51 was the best thing available and the current world champion F1 chassis, why was this car hawked about between Jones, Stillwell and eventually Miller when it was presumably hot property?

Derek

#2812 John Ellacott

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 10:53

Derek, According to the Blanden book this car was imported new by Stillwell in 1959. He drove it at Lowood late August then at the October Bathurst meeting. Then it appeared later that month at Caversham with Jones and then sold to Miller with the proviso that Jones would drive it in the New Zealand GP.
I will scan and post a photo of the car I took at Longford March 1960 tomorrow which shows two matching mirrors and without the exhaust cutout.
I enjoyed the earlier photo of the Coopers in the rain at the opening Warwick Farm meeting with Doug Whiteford on the front row in the Stillwell owned ex Victa car.

#2813 Derek Pitt

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 11:11

Thanks John,

I enjoyed that pic too...there must have been more than one occasion when Bib Stillwell, still at this time not having attained his later skills levels, must have regretted loaning his "old" 2.2 to Doug Whiteford.

Whiteford set fastest practice lap at the opening 'Farm meeting and led the race befpre disappearing like a speedboat and I recall seeing him in the same car, finish alongside Stillwell's "new" 2.5 T51 at Phillip Island in 1960 - both going like the clappers. I think the race was recorded as a dead heat.

Derek

#2814 David Shaw

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 13:09

Originally posted by Derek Pitt

Bib Stillwell won the Victorian Trophey Race at Fishermens Bend in this car early in 1960 and we can see both the upper vent and no cutaway over the exhaust at that time.

Derek


I believe that Stillwell won the 1960 Victorian Trophy in F2/18/59, with Aussie Miller second in this one (F2/20/59).

#2815 Derek Pitt

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 21:18

Originally posted by David Shaw


I believe that Stillwell won the 1960 Victorian Trophy in F2/18/59, with Aussie Miller second in this one (F2/20/59).


Well David,

I have a photograph of Bib Stillwell winning the above race and the car has the higher vent mentioned by Dick and although a black and white photgraph, the car appears to be the same colour and have the same colour combination. It is not my photograph and is probably copyright protected at this time so I cant post it.

The only problem I have with the Stillwell photograph is that the car has the full length "wrap-around" windscreen as supplied by the factory, whereas Jones always favoured and used, a cut-off version as seen in Johns superb phototgraph of Aussie Miller at Warwick Farm.

The difficulty arises from the fact Bib Stillwell had two T51's in the early part of 1960 - the ex victa car as mentioned by John and another he imported himself - both were red and I think both were 2.2 litre. They both become surplus after Bib acquired the ex-JB 2.5 litre T51.

The second, non-Victa car had a small rectangular shaped air vent low on its nose and it was this car that was loaned to Lex Davison for the 1961 AGP. It was later raced quite extensively in Victorian events by Tom Wilson.

Blanden himself admitted confusion over the Stillwell and Patterson T51's.

Hope this helps

Derek

#2816 John Ellacott

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 21:55

The Austin Miller Cooper at Longford March 1960

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 22:03

Miller chases Stillwell past Reid Park gates , Bathurst October 1960
Tyre marks on road were from Doug Whitefords 300S Maserati.
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#2818 John Ellacott

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Posted 09 January 2009 - 22:22

For all Cooper fans! Opening meeting Warwick Farm 18 December 1960
Front row Whiteford,Patterson & davison in the Aston Martin DBR1, second row Miller & Stillwell in the ex Brabham 2.5 Cooper, then Youl Jones Leighton Glass Cooper Maserati Roxburgh Hall Robinson (Jaguar Spl )& Rose Dalro Jaguar.

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#2819 David Shaw

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 08:40

I have found Australian Motor Sports coverage of the Victorian Trophy meeting from their March 1960 issue, and Aussie is definitely in his T51 (F2/20/59), and Stillwell is in another T51, which I assume is F2/18/59. Bib's car has the more conventional air scoop over the oil filler.
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#2820 John Ellacott

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 12:18

Yes, David you are right. Stillwell is in the car he drove at Longford which has the quite distingtive sguare air scoop, and is painted red with yellow stripe over the top, but not around the nose like his ex Victa car that Whiteford drove at Warwick Farm and Stillwell drove and Brabham drove in practice at the previous October Bathurst.
Both of these cars are still in Australia :up:

#2821 Derek Pitt

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 13:10

Unfortunately ..


The picture I have, definitely shows Bib in the Miller car and by his own description, says Victorian Trophy Race, Fishermens Bend 1960...1st place.

Maybe the picture is wrongly captioned.....but it is personally described by the driver himself.

It could well be the late 1959 'Bend meeting at which both Stillwell and Patterson introduced the T51 to Australia.

Derek

#2822 Guy Miller

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 02:59

Hi Derek

I think in the days when those coopers were coming to Australia it was actually quite hard to get hold of one. The cooper factory had quite a demand for them and you could not just ring up and order one. In fact they had to be ordered from a racing driver of note. I believe that Stan Jones was the man of note in Australia and may have had a few of these cars pass through his hands and books even though he did not drive them. Perhaps he ordered a few for people who may not have come up with the money or for some other reason and therefore the reason why a lot of them changed hands so quickly.

Guy

#2823 John Ellacott

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:26

Guy, Another of your dad, across the top of the mountain, Bathurst October 1960.

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#2824 Derek Pitt

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:39

Hi Guy,

Thanks for that.. your post has clarified many long standing issues.

Yes, Stan Jones was driver of note and I suspect Bib was becoming one fast.

Your posting explains why Stan disposed of the Cooper so quickly ..I guess he had a few "up-front" expenses too..hehe...

Also explains why people like John Brindley. Tom Wilson , Bryan Thomson et al ... snapped up the T51's as they became available and why people like John Roxborough clung to the ex-Mildren T43/45 for so long.

Fascinating...meanwhile Davison, nero-like, fiddled with Astons and Whiteford struggled with legal costs and Mr Menzies' Credit Squeeze.

Derek

#2825 Guy Miller

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 09:58

Hi John

You certainly have a grat collection of photos. Never seen so many good ones especially in colour. You must have spent some time getting them. Well done!

Guy

#2826 Guy Miller

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 21:46

These air vents on these coopers just seem to come and go




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#2827 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 21:59

I love the 6 Stromberg 97 setup. Very hot for its day!
That car almost qualifies as a F5000 before they were invented.
As a matter of interest what size engine was in this car. 283 327?

#2828 Guy Miller

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 22:09

4.8 litre i think. Would know when I get home as have some info on it but I think 4.8 is correct

Guy

#2829 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 22:30

Thanks Guy, that would make it a 283 engine.

#2830 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 20:46

Yes, a 283... at that time it was the only size available in a small block Chev...

You wouldn't put a 265 in it, would you?

#2831 Wirra

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 08:59

I attended the recent Tasman Revival and subsequently found this site whilst net surfing. I have been absolutely enthralled by this thread. I dug out a few boxes of slides from the late 60s and early 70s and will try to post anything that is of suitable quality. Here is the first.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 09:16

Welcome, and what a way to start. You will find you are leaning on an open door here.
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#2833 eldougo

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:15

Originally posted by Wirra
I Clark at the Farm wonderful start GREAT the day.

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#2834 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 11:15

Good to see you made it, Peter...

That's at the end of the Tasman race, of course. Between Polo and Leger?

Jimmy's second last win.

#2835 275 GTB-4

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 11:28

Originally posted by Guy Miller

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Probably should be in the sickle section but that seems to be very UK centric...so

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I know Bakers Beach well. My mates and I used to go there occasionally to bomb around the beach and dunes - mostly street bikes. That would have been 1969-71.

One year (1970?, 1971?), the Auto Cycle Union of Tas (motorcycle equivalent of CAMS) of which I was Secretary for a few years, arranged a revival of the old speed weekend. We had timing gear and official timers, and several of us camped out in the dunes all weekend. I had a Norton 650 which took out a new 650cc record (114 mph) for the licensed track. I don't believe the speed weekend has been held since as a few years later the whole area was turned into a National Park, so there is now no access to the beach. That means I am probably still on the books as the record holder - forever. I recall my mate Peter McHugh (son of Geoff) on a Kawasaki 500 also established a new 500cc record (something like 120mph - yes faster than me, but in a different class). I also recall getting off the beach and riding home on Sunday morning in some of the heaviest rain I had experienced to that point in my life. Took a week to dry everything out.

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#2836 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 11:40

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
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Don't you think it would be nice if you told us who you are quoting?

This is something that makes your posts confusing, it's hard to tell when you're posting for yourself or someone else.

#2837 Derek Pitt

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 04:37

It is great to see Austin Miller finally getting some "air play".

In his T51, he was right up there with Patterson and Stillwell and it is a pity he didnt kick on into the "real" Tasman - as defined by David McKinney.

Derek

#2838 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 07:27

Originally posted by Derek Pitt
.....it is a pity he didnt kick on into the "real" Tasman - as defined by David McKinney.


Ahem...

The FIA in fact.

#2839 Wirra

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 11:58

Tasman (1968) and Tasman Revival (2008)

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:07

More; Tasman (1969 - 246 T8 chassis) and Tasman Revival (2008 - 246 T6 chassis)

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#2841 David Shaw

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:41

Beautiful shots Wirra, 40 years apart. :clap:

#2842 Guy Miller

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 01:09

Thought you might find this 1972 add interesting seeing its the 40th anniversary of formula ford this year in Australia and the 50th anniversary of Elfin cars

Guy


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#2843 Terry Walker

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:19

Three famous drivers and cars, Fishermens Bend, circa 58.

I had no idea who the yellow Cooper driver was before, but now all three are clear:

The Maybach; the Tornado; the Miller.

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#2844 David Shaw

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 10:02

These 3 all ran together in the Victorian Cups of '58 and '59, the main differentiation being the Maybach, with Seeliger up wearing #40 in '58, and Stan in #8 for '59.

#2845 Dick Willis

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 02:31

To Guy Miller, do you still have the Cooper Bristol-----taken at Sandown c.1985

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#2846 Guy Miller

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 02:38

Hi Dick

Yep the car is still there. Todd and I drove it at the Grand Prix in Melbourne 2 years ago.

Guy

#2847 Dick Willis

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 02:52

Thanks for the prompt reply, Guy.

#2848 Lola5000

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 11:05

What happened to Stan Patterson?

#2849 David McKinney

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 11:38

I knew something had been missing from Australian-related threads recently :lol:

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 11:43

Originally posted by David McKinney
I knew something had been missing from Australian-related threads recently :lol:

I was just hopping he was ok.