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#2901 aaron

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 08:59

Thanks Ellis et al for the terrific photos. I had not looked at this thread for ages but well worth a visit. Wirra's then and now photos a few pages back are very well done.
I paid to get someone's slides converted some years ago. I am happy to email to someone who knows how to post them. Big sporties! A1

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#2902 Dick Willis

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 09:16

Aaron, its not hard to post pics, even I can do it, thanks to some help from Ray Bell, look forward to seeing your big sporty pics.

#2903 petestenning

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 09:41

I love the starters gantry a modified oil drum, you down under allways have that extra fun element to your racing long may it continue.


Agreat thread indeed.

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#2904 Ellis French

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 10:34

Quote "Moffat didn't turn the Lotus Cortina out in Australia until late '65, that GTA wasn't here yet either. And Jane still owned the Jag that Carosi bought a while later."

Ray..I think you may be a few months out with the Lotus of Moffats etc

In March 1965 ..Moffat, Jane and Elliot/Pare (Tas) and Norm Millen (Tas) all had Lotus Cortina's entered at Longford .

Jane also cross entered his 3.8 Jag in the same races.

The Elliot /Pare Lotus went on in later years to be owned by Peter Cloak and driven by Garth Wigston and and occasionally driven by Peter . Its under restoration and almost completed and now owned by Chas Kelly.
The Norm Millen Lotus Cortina was written off soon after 65 Longford by Norm in the wet in Hobart and purchased by Robin Bessant who "repaired" it and it then was raced successfully by Bessant in Tas mainly but also in Vic then later Tony Calvert .

The pic of Moffat winning in number 25 may be from 66 tho not 65 as he was entered as No. 5 in 65. He won a race both years in a Lotus.

#2905 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 12:33

You're right, Ellis, of course...

I was getting confused about which year I first went to Hume Weir, which I now recall was '64. That was one of the first times I saw Moffat... and I knew that he had No 25 in '66. It's all a matter of remembering how long ago I suffered having a Vanguard, you see.

Nevertheless, the pics at Longford are from '66, when Moffat and Bartlett clashed.

Another point about your pics, look at the surface of the King's Bridge in that early one. Bare timber. That wasn't the case when I first went there... I think I'll just have to post a pic or two of mine here:

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Spencer Martin on the King's Bridge in 1965 - hotmix surface on bridge

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Bartlett leads Moffat into the Viaduct, Saturday race 1966

#2906 Ellis French

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 22:01

Ray
"The start shot with the Mustang, Alfa and Lotus Cortina (trying hard to ignore Carosi in the Jag...) is Pete, KB and Moffat in 1966, I've previously posted pics of their dice."

The 66 start line front row Lotus I believe to be Bessant in No90. This is probably the race where Moffat started from the rear that I mentioned in a previous post and may be obscured by the starter in the pic. Your last pic of Bartlett/Moffat shows the Moffat car to have black on the front of bonnet. The slide caption also says Bessant . Moffat was about 15+ secs quicker than Bessant and about 1 sec /lap quicker than Bartlett in Alfa .


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Ray
Our family had a Vanguard new in 1950 so I know what you mean.

#2907 David Shaw

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 22:33

It looks like the starter did indeed move his 44 gallon platform back toward the edge of the track in anticipation of Moffat then.

#2908 Ellis French

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 00:53

Its about in the same spot for the Sports Car race start.
Starter told me it wasnt moved back any further following the request.


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A few more Longford Tourers 1966

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Geoghegan Bessant

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Cazzaro Alfa, Moffat LotusCortina, Munyard Holden

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Tas only handicap won by the Yellow FX Holden McIvor


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and one I missed posting....Couple of pretty famous ones here.
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Hamilton wqs made to cover up the large Porsche name on the rear of his car with masking tape as it was deemed advertising.

#2909 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:42

An interesting shot...

David and Spencer together for their last meeting, if I'm not mistaken. Looks like Bruce Richardson's back over at the Matich car, while the Cooper is missing its rear bodywork. I'm also curious about what David's doing in the earlier pic of the Ferrari... would that have been taken the year he drove it out to give Spencer more practice during the sports and racing car practice? I don't think so, as it has the same numbers on large roundels in both pics, so that would be '66 with the Traco in view.

#2910 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:55

I like the Minor drivers attire in the Tas only handicap. A short sleeve shirt!
Wasnt life much simpler then!

#2911 David Shaw

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:49

Maybe it was too cold for just a bluey?

#2912 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:52

Longford was, generally, blisteringly hot!

But the comment reminds me of Brian Muir at Catalina Park in the sixties. Through the day he'd have his short sleeved tee-shirt on, for the last race he'd always don his beige jumper.

#2913 Ellis French

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 05:18

Symmons Plains Tas Examiner 1000 66?

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Longford 66 Results

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#2914 David Shaw

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 05:50

It works for me as the Examiner 1000:
http://members.optus...lts/races66.htm

#2915 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:21

Little did Greg know how many laps of Tassie circuits those wheels would do without that car attached...

I keep forgetting about his 'black hat' period, too. KB should really weigh in about this pic.

#2916 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 13:13

Originally posted by Ellis French
Symmons Plains Tas Examiner 1000 66?

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Longford 66 Results

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I notice the winner of the Special Sports Car race was BJ Bowe. i presume a relative of John Bowe? Father?

#2917 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 13:16

And Ross Ambrose in the Tassy only sports race.

#2918 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 13:33

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
I notice the winner of the Special Sports Car race was BJ Bowe. i presume a relative of John Bowe? Father?


That's right... Brian Bowe...

Wonder how many here would recognise Ross and his 'Elfin Cortina' as the embryonic Van Diemen creator?

#2919 Ellis French

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:57

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Bruce Gowans in the Ling ex Geoghegan Lotus and Ross Ambrose at Baskerville

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#2920 Team Result

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 03:18

Fantastic pix, thanks Ellis.
My anorakle observation of the longford results sheet revealed:
1/ Rare use of the word 'Elfin' to describe Frank's car, corrected further down the page to 'Traco Olds'
2/ Even rarer is the description of Lionel Ayers' MRC Ford (Bob Brittain-built copy) as the real deal!

Perhaps the author was a well-informed official with a wicked sense of humour.

#2921 aaron

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 05:40

What about Peter Turnble in one of his very good Turnham creations? A1

#2922 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 06:48

I'm awaiting the day we get a pic of Bill Bashford in the Bashmobile...

But not Alan Nolan in a Nola. I would pass on that one.

#2923 Leo D

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 09:02

Originally posted by aaron
What about Peter Turnble in one of his very good Turnham creations? A1


http://www.tonyhamil...au/turnham.html

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#2924 aaron

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 09:53

Brilliant website. I knew Peter was working on a rebuild but I haven't seen him for a couple of years. He lives not far away in Maitland i think. He told me howe he used to slow down so he could hear Gary Cooper's Elfin MS7 roar past at Symonds plains. I haven't seen him on track lately but a few years ago he was running his clubman in regularity very briskly and well driven. A1

#2925 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 11:13

Originally posted by aaron
.....I haven't seen him on track lately but a few years ago he was running his clubman in regularity very briskly and well driven.


Yes, in Regularity because he'd lost the sight of one eye in some kind of accident...

The advent of the AASA, however, has allowed him to go racing again despite the CAMS' ban on monocular drivers.

#2926 bradbury west

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Posted 27 February 2009 - 23:51

I posted this on the Elfin thread.

In the preamble to the Silverstone Intl Sports Car race , run on May 2 1964, Autosport mentions a Greville Edgerton in an Elfin Climax Mallala. Looking at the programme it was a 2 litre car entered under Tornado Cars (1963), team mate to John Bekaert in a 2 litre Attila. I am the first to admit I do not remember every driver from those days, but it seems unusual to have an Elfin over here then. Was he an Australian who brought his car over, like Paul Samuels with his 15 some years ago? What is the story? The race report does not mention whether he started or what his position was.
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#2927 terry mcgrath

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 06:38

greville edgerton I know raced the Cooper Jaguar CJ/1/55 in Australia mainly victoria between feb and june 1963
It would be safe with a name like that to assume it is one and the same


In the preamble to the Silverstone Intl Sports Car race , run on May 2 1964, Autosport mentions a Greville Edgerton in an Elfin Climax Mallala. Looking at the programme it was a 2 litre car entered under Tornado Cars (1963), team mate to John Bekaert in a 2 litre Attila.

#2928 Lola5000

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 08:43

does anyone have a copy of .Australian Motor Sports review 1958-59?

#2929 ken devine

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 09:20

Yes i have 2 copies.Do you require one.

#2930 Lola5000

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 09:48

Originally posted by ken devine
Yes i have 2 copies.Do you require one.

thanks Ken ,i have one,its got wonderful period photos,would it be rude to post some ?

#2931 ken devine

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:00

I think it would be ok to scan and put them up here as long as the photographer is acknowledged.
After all we are not selling them.

#2932 Lola5000

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:04

Originally posted by ken devine
I think it would be ok to scan and put them up here as long as the photographer is acknowledged.
After all we are not selling them.

thats what I was thinking,many would not have seen the book.

#2933 David McKinney

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:06

Originally posted by ken devine
I think it would be ok to scan and put them up here as long as the photographer is acknowledged.
After all we are not selling them.

No, you're not selling them, you're doing something even worse - giving away someone's copyright material free for all the world to see :down:

#2934 Lola5000

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:07

Originally posted by David McKinney

No, you're not selling them, you're doing something even worse - giving away someone's copyright material free for all the world to see :down:

its 50 year old book,most are dead whom are in it or wrote in it.

#2935 ken devine

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:34

I just had a look through the book and i think Autopics would own the copy write to most of the photos.

#2936 Lola5000

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:37

Originally posted by ken devine
I just had a look through the book and i think Autopics would own the copy write to most of the photos.

fair enough,we shall just enjoy the books oursleves.

#2937 David McKinney

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 12:27

Don't blame me, Lola - I don't make the laws

#2938 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 13:01

Originally posted by bradbury west
.....In the preamble to the Silverstone Intl Sports Car race , run on May 2 1964, Autosport mentions a Greville Edgerton in an Elfin Climax Mallala.....


Roger, Greville Egerton was the son of Ron Egerton, who was involved in racing from the thirties to the eighties...

The car involved returned to Australia and was raced regularly. I suspect it had the power unit out of Bryan Thomson's Cooper, as it was the same size and it was at some time supercharged as was the Cooper.

#2939 bradbury west

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 22:20

Originally posted by Ellis French
and the last for this session....

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What is the no 55 car?
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#2940 Dale Harvey

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 22:48

Ford Customline.
Dale.

#2941 Ellis French

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 22:49

'What is the no 55 car?"
Roger Lund

Ford Customline V8...this style produced (Geelong Vic) from 1952-58.
I went thru the factory in 1956.
In 1954 the V8's went from SV to OHV with 272 Ci engines mainly, but 292 Ci was also available .

Not sure of the exact year of the car in the picture but it would be from the OHV period I would think .

It was driven/prepared by then Tasmanian (Now Vic?) Ray Allford and its capacity listed as 4585cc (272 Ci ?) in the 66 Longford programme.

#2942 bradbury west

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 23:48

Originally posted by Ellis French
'What is the no 55 car?"
Roger Lund

Ford Customline V8...this style produced (Geelong Vic) from 1952-58.
I went thru the factory in 1956.
In 1954 the V8's went from SV to OHV with 272 Ci engines mainly, but 292 Ci was also available .

Not sure of the exact year of the car in the picture but it would be from the OHV period I would think .

It was driven/prepared by then Tasmanian (Now Vic?) Ray Allford and its capacity listed as 4585cc (272 Ci ?) in the 66 Longford programme.


Many thanks

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#2943 Lola5000

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 05:34

Originally posted by Ellis French
'What is the no 55 car?"
Roger Lund

Ford Customline V8...this style produced (Geelong Vic) from 1952-58.
I went thru the factory in 1956.
In 1954 the V8's went from SV to OHV with 272 Ci engines mainly, but 292 Ci was also available .

Not sure of the exact year of the car in the picture but it would be from the OHV period I would think .

It was driven/prepared by then Tasmanian (Now Vic?) Ray Allford and its capacity listed as 4585cc (272 Ci ?) in the 66 Longford programme.

my father raced one the ex Len Lukey car.

#2944 David Shaw

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 07:18

The OHV engine was in the USA in 1954 but Australia had to wait until 1955, which is the model shown in the photo.

#2945 David Shaw

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 07:19

Originally posted by Lola5000
does anyone have a copy of .Australian Motor Sports review 1958-59?


I have the 1959-60 edition.

#2946 Lola5000

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 07:32

Originally posted by David Shaw


I have the 1959-60 edition.

were their any after that?

#2947 ken devine

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 07:48

Len Lukey towed the Cooper Bristol in the trailer to WA in 1957 with the Customline then raced it.








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#2948 David Shaw

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 08:01

That is Lukey's interim pale green Customline, the one he used while his favourite 1955 Customline was rebuilt after a rollover at Phillip Island.

#2949 David McKinney

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 08:18

and a 1956 model, by the looks

#2950 Lola5000

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 08:26

Originally posted by David Shaw
That is Lukey's interim pale green Customline, the one he used while his favourite 1955 Customline was rebuilt after a rollover at Phillip Island.

which was the one that held the speed records?