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#3101 seldo

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 11:01

Gladly, David...

When Wardie bought the Monaro, his shattering performances in the Escort caused people to wonder what would happen if he tried the same things in the bigger car. I think the same would have been said of you, though not by so many people.

The mechanic on the car was Wayne Mankhen. Having seen him race his EH in Tasmania, I ranked him on the top level.

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#3102 275 GTB-4

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 10:02

Pat Peck was still racing in the 90s. I think she may have stopped when Darcy died. They were both very nice people.
I saw Pat drive Toranas, Mazdas, a Buick Riviera and probably a few others that I don't remember.


a Buick Riviera to the shops?? :rotfl:


#3103 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 12:05

[i]Originally posted by 275 GTB-3[p/i]
a Buick Riviera to the shops?

No... to the finish line at Oran Park... what do you think he means?

Edited by Ray Bell, 27 May 2009 - 00:39.


#3104 DJH

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Posted 26 May 2009 - 23:43

[quote name='Ray Bell' date='May 26 2009, 12:05' post='3664223']
No... to the finish line at Oran Park... what do you think he means?
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I too recall seeing the Buick at O.P. T'was a red one, no rocketship, but, very nice to see something different going around........John

#3105 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 00:40

Red and lots of chrome...

Wonder if anyone will pick up on that and try to run on in Nc?

#3106 Lola5000

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Posted 27 May 2009 - 11:07

The Buick was photoed in one of the year books in the 80s/90s.

#3107 seldo

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:18

Red and lots of chrome...

Wonder if anyone will pick up on that and try to run on in Nc?

You've got to be joking Ray :lol: Why would anyone try to emulate a no-win proposition 40 years later? It was a ridiculous attempt then and remains so.... :)

#3108 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:28

I guess I am, David...

Just a lighthearted comment on the rule that a car had to run 'in the period' for its type to be allowed now.

#3109 fnqvmuch

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 18:22

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sorry still trying - maybe
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fingers crossed


#3110 fnqvmuch

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:37

sorry still trying - maybe
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or
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fingers crossed

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#3111 Wirra

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 03:44

Found these clips of 60s - 70s racing on youtube.

1971 Australian Grand Prix at Warwick Farm


68 Tasman Series at Warwick Farm


68 Tasman Series at Surfers paradise


65 Tasman round Warwick farm
http://www.youtube.c...k...PL&index=20

64 Longford Tasman round


54 Australian Grand prix


Jack Brabham – Australia’s first world champion
http://www.youtube.c...s...0B2&index=0


#3112 Guy Miller

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 05:29

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Does Not look like 178MPH

#3113 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 09:23

Originally posted by Guy Miller
Does Not look like 178MPH


But it does look like the nose-up attitude you get in second gear...

Been raiding the family scrap book, Guy?

#3114 Wirra

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 00:58

There are some posts about the Bowin F5000s on the Bob Jane thread but these images might be more appropriate over here.

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Sorry, but this is the only one I have of the Jane car
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#3115 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 01:14

And here I was thinking I was the only one with colour shots of Harvey in that car...

Which, of course, is a different car to the one Leffo's in. Good to see Gary Campbell in shot too.

#3116 Wirra

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 06:24

Photo #1 - Gary Campbell
Photo #2 - Glasses! Is this Gary or Larry?

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 06:56

Terry Allan Camaro at Symmons Plains.
Wayne Mahnken is in pic with dark hair and cig. He worked on the car when it was new.

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#3118 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 07:25

Would that the driver and mechanic had changed places!

Larry would surely have been wearing his own helmet. Did he ever drive that car at the Farm? I assume that's at the Farm?

#3119 Dick Willis

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 08:19

Gordon Stewart waiting for the start at Catalina Park, Katoomba, NSW, 1961/2 in the Stewart MG, the "Wheeler Fortune." plenty of interesting cars in background for Ray Bell to identify, hope he got through the race on that baldy front tyre !

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#3120 bschenker

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 08:38

Slicks in 1961 :cool:

#3121 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 14:06

The only one I know there, Dick, is the George Murray Austin 7...

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The car on the left looks interesting.

Edited by Ray Bell, 23 July 2009 - 14:10.


#3122 Guy Miller

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 22:03

But it does look like the nose-up attitude you get in second gear...

Been raiding the family scrap book, Guy?


Hi Ray

The car was geared to do 212mph. it only had 3 gears so I guess you would be right at about 2nd gear

Guy

#3123 Ian G

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 00:54

Bob in the meantime raced an S4 Holden, but I think that was only once. Owned by a crippled bloke in Sydney (where he now lived), it was one of those cars that Bob raced because the owner wanted to see it on the track. And he got into Minis, I think his 1100cc Cooper S was BMC-supported, and as an adjunct to that he raced the Ian Pope Lolita.


Edit ...Thanks Bob,it was the Mk. 2 that i watched Henry build.
Lolita

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#3124 2Bob

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 01:50

Lolita:

see post 103 in this thread"

http://forums.autosp...w...80&start=80

still with Ian Pope it would seem.

#3125 Ian G

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 03:41

Sorry,Photo's too small.

Edited by Ian G, 25 September 2009 - 05:44.


#3126 cooper997

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 04:50

Gordon Stewart waiting for the start at Catalina Park, Katoomba, NSW, 1961/2 in the Stewart MG, the "Wheeler Fortune." plenty of interesting cars in background for Ray Bell to identify, hope he got through the race on that baldy front tyre !

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Great photo Dick.

Gordon being the owner of Stewart’s Motor Service Pty Ltd, 292 Princes Hwy, Blakehurst. Correct? Later on known as the "BMC Sports Car Centre" - I have a Mk1 Cooper S in the back of the shed that came from them.

From the photo, clearly Catalina allowed drivers to have their numbers pretty much at all meetings they entered. Because in all the Catalina programmes I looked at over the 61/62 period you mention, the Ecurie Cinque Stewart MG carries #11 in each. So on that basis and having no idea about car #33 at all, all I can find for a racing car with that number is the Barry Ekins/Brian Lear MG Special supercharged. Same goes for #91, that Ray has already identified as George Murray's Austin 7.


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#3127 David Shaw

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 07:21

So on that basis and having no idea about car #33 at all, all I can find for a racing car with that number is the Barry Ekins/Brian Lear MG Special supercharged.
Stephen


I reckon the car behind is actually #83. Can you find anything carrying that number Stephen?


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Posted 24 July 2009 - 12:57

I reckon the car behind is actually #83. Can you find anything carrying that number Stephen?


Now that you've pointed it out David, it does look like it's #83 rather than #33. So on that basis, and that of Catalina allowing the same numbers to be used at each meeting that they entered, #83 might be the P Hill Scorpion with 998cc. I've spotted at least 3 times in 61/62 events that this combination appears and once with B Lawler in the Scorpion carrying #83 too.

Stephen

#3129 David Shaw

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:11

Now that you've pointed it out David, it does look like it's #83 rather than #33. So on that basis, and that of Catalina allowing the same numbers to be used at each meeting that they entered, #83 might be the P Hill Scorpion with 998cc. I've spotted at least 3 times in 61/62 events that this combination appears and once with B Lawler in the Scorpion carrying #83 too.

Stephen


I don't know if this helps with the identity, but it appears to wear Renault wheels at the front.


#3130 Ian G

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 01:51

The very first Datsun Bluebirds as they were called in NZ arrived here from memory around 1965/66 I worked on them when they first came here,the engines were very similar to the B type BMC of that era,they didn't give the valve burning,head cracking problems that the B series gave at that time ,I believe that the better carburetor they were fitted with gave a better mixture distribution ,one thing I do remember is they had very large cups on the end of the valve end of the pushrod's ,when setting the tappets you had to make sure that you screwed the adjuster right down and removed the excess oil first ,before setting the clearance otherwise you ended up with noisy tappets


Thats correct,the Datsun 1200/1300 Bluebirds(62-67 in Oz) were essentially short stroke B series Motors. My first competion car(other than a shared Formula V) was a 1967 Bluebird with a 3 bearing block MGB engine. BMC changed things with the 5 bearing MGB motor but the earlier Motor bolted straight in, the Datsun engine plate & flywheel bolted straight onto the back of the MGB Motor(used a Datsun spigot bearing & gearbox) and the Datsun engine mounts also bolted straight on.Very easy conversion,only difficulty was adapting the sump to fit. The original Datsun gearbox was fine but went thru several diffs(chopped teeth off crown wheel) until i fitted the Datsun sports car diff then no problems other than gearing was too tall for hillclimbs. The local BMC dealer closed down in 1968 and i was given a box of BMC competition gear,MGA Twin Cam fully floating Rods and O/S Pistons(fitted the MGB engine),MGB competition Cam, Dizzy,Valve Springs etc. . I used the Car in Rally's and Hillclimbs and it was quick over short distances, for some some reason it was put in the Production Sport Car class at NSW Hillclimbs and won trophies at 40 Bends(Lithgow), Lakeview(Canberra) and Silverdale.It was quicker at those venues than the Datsun 2000 Sports that were were starting to appear so it created a lot of interest.

Embarrassing after whats been posted in this thread but for anyone interested here's a a photo from Silverdale in the late 1960's..

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Edit..Thats correct Ray,The Datsun engine block is smaller(height wise) than the B-Series but otherwise almost identical.

Edited by Ian G, 04 August 2009 - 00:14.


#3131 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 02:29

I had always understood that the Datsun 1200/1300 engines of the early sixties were remakes of the A40 engine...

But others here know more than me. I thought, however, that they were physically a smaller engine than the B-series while quite a bit larger than the A-series.

Thanks for the pics.

#3132 275 GTB-4

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 09:32

Thats correct,the Datsun 1200/1300 Bluebirds(62-67 in Oz) were essentially short stroke B series Motors. My first competion car(other than a shared Formula V) was a 1967 Bluebird with a 3 bearing block MGB engine. BMC changed things with the 5 bearing MGB motor but the earlier Motor bolted straight in, the Datsun engine plate & Flywheel bolted straight onto the back of the MGB Motor(used a Datsun spigot bearing) and the Datsun engine mounts also bolted straight on.Very easy conversion,only difficulty was adapting the sump to fit. The local BMC dealer closed down in 1968 and i was given a box of BMC competition gear,MGA Twin Cam fully floating Rods and O/S Pistons(fitted the MGB engine),MGB competition Cam, Dizzy,Valve Springs etc. . I used the Car in Rally's and Hillclimbs and it was quick over short distances, for some some reason it was put in the Production Sport Car class at NSW Hillclimbs and won trophies at 40 Bends(Lithgow), Lakeview(Canberra) and Silverdale.It was quicker at those venues than the Datsun 2000 Sports that were were starting to appear so it created a lot of interest.

Embarrassing after whats been posted in this thread but for anyone interested here's a a photo from Silverdale in the late 1960's..

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Edit..Thats correct Ray,The Datsun engine block is smaller(height wise) than the B-Series but otherwise almost identical.


Fabulous fabulous shot Ian...what the hell is there for you to be embarrassed about!! Welcome..Mick


#3133 Ian G

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 00:32

Fabulous fabulous shot Ian...what the hell is there for you to be embarrassed about!! Welcome..Mick


Much appreciated Mick, i never noticed this thread in my lurking Days and have just been working thru the 70+ pages,great stuff,one more photo of the Datsun,this is the corner at the bottom of Silverdales main hill,wide line is the best but i was trying to go in tight and slide the rear,it didn't work!

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This is one for Ray,it was an observed(Competition Licence) practice session at Oran Park around 1970-71, IIRC its on the Crest(where Moffat lost the Coke Mustang on his first visit) before the downhill run to BP/Energol,the guy had a huge V8(427?) in a Zephyr(i think). One of the CAMS officials told him to try a bit harder at the drivers meeting before the final race and he certainly did that,hit the barrier extremely hard then slid off sideways,the driver was OK but the marshall in the white overalls hurt himself when he hit the ground.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 10:05

Photo #1 - Gary Campbell
Photo #2 - Glasses! Is this Gary or Larry?

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Dad (John Moxon) says that's Gary next to the car in the first picture. Also, note that the car has different numbers in the two shots - 12 and 17.

He's going to check with Ken Goodwin as who might be driving.

Did Larry have the green and gold helmet before going to Europe? The striping on the helmet is not unlike the stripes Gary had about the nose of the car.


Bruce Moxon

Edited by brucemoxon, 02 August 2009 - 10:06.


#3135 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 11:10

Originally posted by Ian G
.....This is one for Ray, it was an observed (Competition Licence) practice session at Oran Park around 1970-71, IIRC. It's on the Crest (where Moffat lost the Coke Mustang on his first visit) before the downhill run to BP/Energol, the guy had a huge V8 in a Zephyr (I think). One of the CAMS officials told him to try a bit harder at the meeting before the final race and he certainly did that,hit the barrier extremely hard then slid off sideways,the driver was OK but the marshal in the white overalls hurt himself when he hit the ground.


Now how did you know that? I almost wrote, "Warren Gracie strikes again!"

Bruce... Gary is in the car. It's Gary's face quite clearly in that helmet and that's his regular helmet. And yes, Larry had his green etc helmet before he went to Europe... with 'Cowangie Kid' on the side.

I think you'll find the guy kneeling beside Gary in the top pic is one of the AARC officials, check the tie.

#3136 Terry Walker

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:50

Ken Devine has been given some photos and a roll of b + w negs, and I've scanned the roll of negs - Winton, without doubt, featuring the Beechey Chevvy 2 among others, so probably 1965. He suggested I post a few here for him.

There weren't that many pics on the roll - it was a 24, and there were several double exposures and signs of the film slipping. The lens was obviously standard 50 mm, so the two or three racing pics are not too flash. Pits shots are good though.

No doubt someone will recognise and identify the cars and the people!

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#3137 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 13:54

I'll get out the binders and have a look, Terry... but with Niel Allen in the Traco and Bob Jane's Repco-powered Elfin there, it's at the very least late 1966...

*edit*

I may have missed something, but I don't think so...

Seems to be May 26, 1968, just about the last outing for the Niel Allen car in those colours. This appears to be a minor race in which Bob Healey is said to have pole after a wet practice session, Jane next and then Allen. But that's not how it's looking in the line-up. Nor is it how they lined up for the main race, Allen on pole from Jane and Peter Larner in the 23. Maybe this is a line-up before practice?

Edited by Ray Bell, 05 August 2009 - 14:05.


#3138 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:09

And that could be Bevan Gibson working on the Elfin in the third pic...

The Mustang is Jane's of course. But at that May meeting Jane drove his Lotus Cortina... wonder if I have missed a meeting in the binders or if these pics were from different meetings? The latter seems unlikely... I'll dig some more.

#3139 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:27

No... it's all wrong...

The pics are from Calder, March 19, 1967. Jane's first outing with that Mustang, Peter Mahoney is the one alongside Allen and Jane on the grid in his Bolwell.

Identifying people... that blur in the top pic would be John Sawyer, surely?

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#3140 Terry Walker

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 01:36

Remainder of the usable pics. I realised I'd got the year wrong after I'd packed up for the night, because of the Repco engine in the sports car, and the second styling of the Mustang.

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#3141 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 03:29

Good job you're on the ball in your sleep, Terry...

Calder looks plain and barren there, doesn't it? That sporty pic must be at a point when Janey was lapping mid-fielders.

Sometimes 50mm lenses give us a clearer overall picture of things, don't they?

#3142 Terry Walker

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 04:38

I have managed to extract these from dodgy negs:

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A couple more to come, I think.



#3143 Wirra

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 06:06

Sadly this is the only item left from my brother's vast collection of NSW 50s & 60s racing memorabilia.

I think it's Ron Hodgson and Ian or Leo Geoghegan through the Tunnel of Love at Catalina - or is Bill Pitt one of them? Fairly sure it's not David McKay but I'll leave to the experts. It was blown up from a Box Brownie snap and adorned our bedroom for years.

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#3144 cooper997

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 13:51

[quote name='Wirra' date='Aug 7 2009, 17:06' post='3787580']
Sadly this is the only item left from my brother's vast collection of NSW 50s & 60s racing memorabilia.

I think it's Ron Hodgson and Ian or Leo Geoghegan through the Tunnel of Love at Catalina - or is Bill Pitt one of them? Fairly sure it's not David McKay but I'll leave to the experts. It was blown up from a Box Brownie snap and aborned our bedroom for years.

Wirra,

I think you're right on the Hodgson (#69) & Geoghegan (#5J) front. Possibly the July 9th, 1961 Catalina event, when both Ron & Ian ran their respective cars with these numbers.

Stephen

#3145 David Shaw

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 15:35

Interesting photo of the MkI v. MkII Wirra.

There seems to have been a fair few MkIIs but I don't know of another MkI racing in Australia off the top of my head other than the Geoghegan's.










EDIT: Clarification.

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#3146 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 22:06

Sadly this is the only item left from my brother's vast collection of NSW 50s & 60s racing memorabilia.

I think it's Ron Hodgson and Ian or Leo Geoghegan through the Tunnel of Love at Catalina - or is Bill Pitt one of them? Fairly sure it's not David McKay but I'll leave to the experts. It was blown up from a Box Brownie snap and aborned our bedroom for years.

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Don't you just love the tyre smoke from the understeer and have a look at the flex in those wire wheels. it really is scarey what and how those guys raced in those days.Even just 2 or 3 years later non of that happened, smoking rear tyres yes from Beechey and Pete but not fronts and no more flexy flywheeels!

#3147 Cam Arnott

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 05:17

Greetings all from a new-comer to the forum!

I am on the hunt for any race photos from the late 60's and early 70's of Porsche 911's.

Of particular interest is Ray Thackwell's 1970 911 as I am thinking about making a replica.

I've found a few photos from scolling through this thread but would love to see more :)

Thanks in advance.

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#3148 Wirra

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:05

No Thackwell... but here are, I think, McKeown, Foley and Brown.

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And, McKeown, Bruce Cary (Capri) and Bill Brown(?).

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#3149 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 11:21

Correct on all counts, Wirra...

And it looks like Bill is going in mighty deep inside Cary's Capri. Nice bit of wheel hike he's got up there over the Dogleg too.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 05:31

Fantastic Wirra!

Any idea the track or year they are from?

Cheers