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#3601 brucemoxon

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 00:08

I'll put my 2c in - the proddy cars won't be the Bathurst 500, as none of the cars appear to have 'Hardie-Ferodo 500' stickers.

Great photos. Those sidecar racers were nuts. Still are. Nuts.



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#3602 275 GTB-4

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 00:49

I'll put my 2c in - the proddy cars won't be the Bathurst 500, as none of the cars appear to have 'Hardie-Ferodo 500' stickers.

Great photos. Those sidecar racers were nuts. Still are. Nuts.

Bruce Moxon


Hardly Ferocious came onboard in 1968...in the no advertising on cars era?? so when did stickers appear???...67??

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#3603 Wirra

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 00:51

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Paul Bernasconi in the Mako

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The seatbelt geometry makes me wince... to say nothing of the rollbar height - we have come a long way, thankfully.

Keep 'em coming Lyntonh

#3604 lyntonh

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 01:49

Keep 'em coming Lyntonh


Glad you're enjoying them....I've got a bucketful!!

To the 3 hour race question, it's certainly the Easter meeting, because I never made it to an HF race.

I really should be putting the bikes on the sub-topic, so that I can tease some stories out of the bike guys.

Problem is I'll be at their mercy on detail a bit, because my knowledge on bikes is pretty small.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:06

Glad you're enjoying them....I've got a bucketful!!

To the 3 hour race question, it's certainly the Easter meeting, because I never made it to an HF race.

I really should be putting the bikes on the sub-topic, so that I can tease some stories out of the bike guys.

Problem is I'll be at their mercy on detail a bit, because my knowledge on bikes is pretty small.


Thanks for time line lyntonh, I was at Bathurst when both the Moffat & Geoghegan improved production Falcons were demo'd, but have not been sure if was October or Easter.

Your photos are fabulous, do you have one of Moffs car? Now I'm doubting whether both cars previewed.

#3606 lyntonh

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:32

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Understeer

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Polish...

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Formula compact

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Ian Cook

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Line 1

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Line 3

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Reid Park

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They're all sports cars


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The top

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Conrod in the background

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If Brock does it this way....

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Lock-up

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#3607 lyntonh

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:48

Thanks for time line lyntonh, I was at Bathurst when both the Moffat & Geoghegan improved production Falcons were demo'd, but have not been sure if was October or Easter.

Your photos are fabulous, do you have one of Moffs car? Now I'm doubting whether both cars previewed.



I don't remember Moffat's car being up there, & I probably would have photographed it if it was,
if only because it would have been a new car.

I'm not sure when Geoghegan's car first ran in anger, (I know he struggled with setup) but my strongest memory of Pete was at the Farm at the '73 Tasman meeting.

In pouring rain, he was chasing Alan Moffat in the Mustang, ( I think).

Ian Field & I were standing behind the racecourse fencing on the straight before the northern crossing.

We watched Pete for lap after lap come onto the straight crossed up on full lock, slide the car halfway along the straight,
still on the angle he left the esses, & then flick it over the the other lock & slide the car on the opposite angle for the rest of the straight into the crossing.

It was some of the most impressive car control I ever saw.

I didn't take any photos that day because it was so wet, & my camera stayed in the bag.

#3608 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 22:55

I saw an old Touring Car Race on ABC digital a few years back and Pete was driving an XW and was really quick early, but normal sideways everywhere. About a third of the way in he was out of tyres and Moffat passed him. A few laps later n the pits for new tyres.Towards the end Moffat lost pace and Colin Bond won in a HT 350 with Alan second.
The best bit of wet weather sideways car control I have seen was about 73 with KB in the John Goss Falcon Coupe. Coming off the bowl scraping the rear bumper on the wall to straighten him up, lap after lap. And he was about 20 feet closer than the regular line so there was no rubber down and more drive.It was avery wet race!


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Posted 18 July 2010 - 23:12

...In pouring rain, he was chasing Alan Moffat in the Mustang, ( I think)....I didn't take any photos that day because it was so wet...

Sometimes the camera just has to come out!
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Posted 19 July 2010 - 05:45

lyntonh,

"Polish" is Ian Ferguson in his Bowin, "Formula compact" is John Valentin - Rennmax.

I was there but was "launched" in the first corner!


#3611 lyntonh

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 08:16

Sometimes the camera just has to come out!
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It came out for the morning warm-up...
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#3612 lyntonh

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 08:21

lyntonh,

"Polish" is Ian Ferguson in his Bowin, "Formula compact" is John Valentin - Rennmax.

I was there but was "launched" in the first corner!


Forgetting all these names makes me hanker for all those race programmes that went in the bin...

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 08:46

Forgetting all these names makes me hanker for all those race programmes that went in the bin...

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I have John Medley's book "Bathurst, Cradle of Australian Motor Racing"

#14 Errol Richardson in a Rennmax Ford.

In your previous post..
Understeer Torana = Mick Brown.
Sports Cars = Doug Macarthur, Rennmax BMW, it might be William G Marshall in the Datsun 24oz that Doug is passing.


#3614 lyntonh

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 11:37

I have seen pics of the car with the boot up like that too. Dont know wether it was ina race or not.
I agree about maintaing an advantage,, or Phsycing the opposition as i doubt that would have been any advantage at all.



You don't know what you've got tucked away until you look....
Warwick Farm Hordern Trophy 6th Sept 1970

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And as you can see he did race with it!!

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Anybody know if he won?

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#3615 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 23:15

Originally posted by lyntonh
You don't know what you've got tucked away until you look....
Warwick Farm Hordern Trophy 6th Sept 1970

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Anybody know if he won?


Hard to be sure...

In the first race, Pete led all the way. So that's obviously not this race at all...

But in the main race, Moffat was able to pass Pete twice and tended to be unbeatable. So we do know Pete lost one race when he had the bootlid up, as your pics clearly came from this race. But we don't know if we had the bootlid up in the other race at all.

Adding to the confusion is the fact that the bootlid isn't mentioned in the Ferret's report, and on the cover of RCN the painting clearly shows the bootlid down. Col would have done that painting from photo reference.

Are there pics on Autopics etc of that race?

#3616 lyntonh

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 00:51

Some more mixed photos...

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Alan Moffat testing his judgement Warwick Farm esses 22nd Nov 1970

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Bill Brown Warwick Farm esses 22nd Nov 1970

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Larry Perkins (37) ...drift...Warwick Farm esses 22nd Nov 1970

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Peter Finlay Warwick Farm esses 22nd Nov 1970

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one lap later

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they seem to be catching me...

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I guess the nose cone makes a difference...

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John Harvey Bathurst Easter 1970...low pressure in the rear

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Forrest Elbow Bathurst Easter 1970 Leo Geoghegan & ? ( don't drift out!!)

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Mini oversteer Bathurst Easter 1970

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Brian Foley Bathurst Easter 1970

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Tony Oxley (74) & John Goss Bathurst Easter 1970...a classic race long battle

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Acceleration out of the stop corner Amaroo Park 1st Aug 1970

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#3617 David Shaw

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:13

I reckon it's Leo and Harvey. Looks like the rear tyre is down a bit in pressure there too.

Moffat obviously wasn't lacking for front-end grip.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:14

Keep 'em coming Lyntonh


Any ideas on who is driving the clubbie, and what type of clubbie it is in this pic? (post 3603) It kinda looks like a Nota, and the badge looks like a Nota badge...

Edited by gouldo, 22 July 2010 - 09:16.


#3619 David Shaw

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:54

Any ideas on who is driving the clubbie, and what type of clubbie it is in this pic? (post 3603) It kinda looks like a Nota, and the badge looks like a Nota badge...

Ray Hanger in a Nota


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#3620 lyntonh

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:44

A Series Production race at the Farm 22nd Nov 1970.

The first blurry shot sets the front of the field as Torana territory....Colin Bond etc etc...

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Then the mayhem in the middle of the pack.....

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John French (already smoking at the rear) & John Goss (with damage to the front)

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As you can clearly see

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Revenge?

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Bond's run away ... the others are trying every line possible

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? & ?

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Peter Brown & ?

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Maybe John French talked to Bob Morris instead
(take a look at the bods hanging off the bridge)

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Still just a little smoke..

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Leo Geoghegan & ?

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Bob Morris ...a little steamed

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And quietly behaving himself....just bringing it home in one piece....Pontus Reutesward (apologies if I've spelt the name wrong)

A story about the orange Escort...
Pontus was quite quick for a mid-field runner, but at Oran Park one night he had a spin in the sweeper
& I distinctly remember a drunk asking who it was.
When he was told Pontus etc, he roared with laughter & spent the rest of the race barracking for Pontius Pilate!!

#3621 lyntonh

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 14:02

Some of the rare slides I took, these at Sandown Friday unofficial practice 19th Feb 1971

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Max Stewart's Mildren Waggott

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Bob Muir's Mildren Waggott

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Teddy Pilette, Graeme Lawrence, Niel Allen & Bob Jane

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Teddy Pilette & Graeme Lawrence's cars...
with ? sitting on the tyre talking to ? & Max Stewart

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Frank Gardner & Mal Guthrie cars

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Niel Allen (photo also on Niel Allen thread)

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#3622 Allen Brown

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 15:42

Fab pictures!

#3623 brucemoxon

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 20:18

Fab pictures!



What he said.

Just great - and thanks so much for sharing.




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#3624 David Shaw

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 20:47

It has been great having you come along and contribute these photos as you have Lynton.

The first Monaro pictured, KJG.486 is the Sebring Orange Bob Jane example.



#3625 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 21:45

Lynton, Leo Geoghegan is looking for an unpublished photo of him in the Pacer to do up as a promo-sales item...

Are you interested in supplying it for him?

Do you also have Charger pics?

#3626 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 22:12

A Series Production race at the Farm 22nd Nov 1970.

The first blurry shot sets the front of the field as Torana territory....Colin Bond etc etc...

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Then the mayhem in the middle of the pack.....

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John French (already smoking at the rear) & John Goss (with damage to the front)

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As you can clearly see

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Revenge?

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Bond's run away ... the others are trying every line possible

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? & ?

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Peter Brown & ?

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Maybe John French talked to Bob Morris instead
(take a look at the bods hanging off the bridge)

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Still just a little smoke..

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Leo Geoghegan & ?

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Bob Morris ...a little steamed

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And quietly behaving himself....just bringing it home in one piece....Pontus Reutesward (apologies if I've spelt the name wrong)

A story about the orange Escort...
Pontus was quite quick for a mid-field runner, but at Oran Park one night he had a spin in the sweeper
& I distinctly remember a drunk asking who it was.
When he was told Pontus etc, he roared with laughter & spent the rest of the race barracking for Pontius Pilate!!

I reckon that John Goss is wearing the rear bumper of the French Alfa in the Falcons grille.

#3627 lyntonh

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 22:34

I reckon that John Goss is wearing the rear bumper of the French Alfa in the Falcons grille.



Certainly is, in fact I think they black flagged him, by memory.

#3628 lyntonh

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 23:22

Lynton, Leo Geoghegan is looking for an unpublished photo of him in the Pacer to do up as a promo-sales item...

Are you interested in supplying it for him?

Do you also have Charger pics?

Yes of course, & probably... as they are yet to be scanned.



#3629 Wirra

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 00:12

Lynton - Here is one of mine - I could have been standing beside you. You may recall me, I had facial hair, paisley shirt, flared pants and a cheap camera!

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Keep 'em coming - wonderful memories.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 00:56

Lynton - Here is one of mine - I could have been standing beside you. You may recall me, I had facial hair, paisley shirt, flared pants and a cheap camera!

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Keep 'em coming - wonderful memories.



Paisley shirt....ah yeah now I remember..

#3631 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:10

Now why dont Thupercars handle and race like that? When you see that old racing they are spectacular, so were the Touring Cars of the day. Particularly Geoghan!

#3632 Wirra

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:59

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Maybe John French talked to Bob Morris instead
(take a look at the bods hanging off the bridge)...

Hey, I was one of those 'bods'. It was like a rugby scrum on race days and hard to get a shot without someone bumping your arm.
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#3633 lyntonh

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:24

Hey, I was one of those 'bods'. It was like a rugby scrum on race days and hard to get a shot without someone bumping your arm.
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I like this shot.

Somehow the soft background & movement makes it dynamic.

I've been surprised how some photos I rejected at the enlarger have
come up quite well when scanned.

Perhaps I'm getting old (well obviously), but some of these accidental "arty" shots
might just have their place.

I guess that if you're not spending heaps of time with developer & paper & all that darkroom stuff,
the simple scan makes it less painful to prove a shot to be totally useless.

Besides, if you can go back there & take a replacement photo,
you tell me how & I'll come with you!!

#3634 nivola

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:45

Afternoon all

Im trying to find out what the two decals in this image that the pink arrows are pointing to.

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I think the bonnet one is a first national travelers cheque.

I think it is the same on the boot lid.

Is there anyone out there with some info that will help please?

Ray

#3635 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:12

Sir Stirling and Sir Jack. It was a pity that startline incident happened as those two blokes probably would have aquitted themselves well. Though from memory they broke the engine after the car was repaired.
Wose car was it, and where is it now!

#3636 brucemoxon

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:09

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Jul 22 2010, 11:44' post='4488916']
A Series Production race at the Farm 22nd Nov 1970.

The first blurry shot sets the front of the field as Torana territory....Colin Bond etc etc...




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"Southern Motors". I reckon that's Bob Jane's Monaro. But was John Harvey driving it that day?

Go easy - I was only 9!



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#3637 brucemoxon

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 09:11

Afternoon all

Im trying to find out what the two decals in this image that the pink arrows are pointing to.

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I think the bonnet one is a first national travelers cheque.

I think it is the same on the boot lid.

Is there anyone out there with some info that will help please?

Ray



Wasn't / isn't this car (or a replica, or the 'spare' car, which from memory was Steve Martyn's) in the Bathurst museum?

And Ray - I'm excited - big or medium?




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Posted 24 July 2010 - 23:40

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Jul 23 2010, 00:02' post='4489143']
Some of the rare slides I took, these at Sandown Friday unofficial practice 19th Feb 1971


Posted Image.. Peter Molloy white cap foot on front wheel.
Teddy Pilette, Graeme Lawrence, Niel Allen & Bob Jane

Posted Image..Niel Allen sitting on Ferrari wheel talking to G.L. & Max.
Teddy Pilette & Graeme Lawrence's cars...
with ? sitting on the tyre talking to ? & Max Stewart




#3639 seldo

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:21

Some of the rare slides I took, these at Sandown Friday unofficial practice 19th Feb 1971


Posted Image.. Peter Molloy white cap foot on front wheel.
Teddy Pilette, Graeme Lawrence, Niel Allen & Bob Jane

Posted Image..Niel Allen sitting on Ferrari wheel talking to G.L. & Max.
Teddy Pilette & Graeme Lawrence's cars...
with ? sitting on the tyre talking to ? & Max Stewart

That's Graeme Lawrence on the ground in the sunnies, maybe his brother Brian on the wheel, and Max on the other side.

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#3640 David McKinney

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:05

Bloke on the wheel looks too big for Brian, but he could be the shirtless one facing GL

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:54

Sir Stirling and Sir Jack. It was a pity that startline incident happened as those two blokes probably would have aquitted themselves well. Though from memory they broke the engine after the car was repaired.
Wose car was it, and where is it now!


Lee,

The way I understand the Moss/Brabham L34 drive is that Ivan Stibbard went looking for a car after he and the ARDC had secured the services of the pairing and had sponsorship to cover everything.

John Lee of Mollison Motors, (Kyneton, Victoria - Holden & Honda dealer) had a Bathurst entry for a couple of drivers, in his car. Ivan approached John with an offer too good to refuse. So John's L34 (one of several he had stashed around town in those years) became the Moss/Brabham entry. So I guess that essentially means the ARDC owned the car. Where it is now I don't know.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:19

Lee,

The way I understand the Moss/Brabham L34 drive is that Ivan Stibbard went looking for a car after he and the ARDC had secured the services of the pairing and had sponsorship to cover everything.


IIRC the feeling was that this car was never going to qualify near the front and I for one cringed at the thought that these two heros of our sport were set up in an inferior car for the sake of promoting the race. The start accident seemed to let them off the hook and thereby save face.

It was a good idea that wasn't carried out as well as it could have been.

Edited by wagons46, 25 July 2010 - 10:25.


#3643 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 22:50

I thought the car was from a better performed team, Hodgson, Patterson etc. Though a third entry from those teams probably would be a l the left over bits anyway and from memory Mollison Mts in those days had reasonable equipment so they may have been better off in a good midfield car than a third rate hotshot car.
They were never going to be on the pace in qualifying but on race pace may well have been on for a top 10 as they both had a reputation for stroking a car along quickly without breaking them.
Jack came back next year and raced a Torana at some rounds with moderate success.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:33

My take on the Brabham/Moss beast is that there where two cars at the mountain that yeah. One was a T car and then the one that was raced.

This is due to the little decal changes and the big issue of there being three seats used over the weekend.

There was a black Race seat and a red race seat in the Thursday Friday practice and maybe Saturday as well. Then on Sunday came the seat you see in this image. Now trying to figure out what style this seat is and finding an image is also a needle in a haystack feeling. The 76 winner has the same seat by the way. ( This could also lead to where the car came from. )

Moxo can I nicely say Bite your tongue?  ;) You got other things on the other forum to make you happy.


Oh almost forgot I think the rear boot lid logo is Ampol.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 10:15

My take on the Brabham/Moss beast is that there where two cars at the mountain that yeah. One was a T car and then the one that was raced.

This is due to the little decal changes and the big issue of there being three seats used over the weekend.

There was a black Race seat and a red race seat in the Thursday Friday practice and maybe Saturday as well. Then on Sunday came the seat you see in this image. Now trying to figure out what style this seat is and finding an image is also a needle in a haystack feeling. The 76 winner has the same seat by the way. ( This could also lead to where the car came from. )

Moxo can I nicely say Bite your tongue?  ;) You got other things on the other forum to make you happy.


Oh almost forgot I think the rear boot lid logo is Ampol.



Ray, see if you can track down Steve Martyn - he was a real estate agent on Sydney's northern beaches in the early 80s. I think Steve's car was the T car, or he was involved in some way.

Also involved was Gabriel Szatmary (sorry if the spelling is horrible), who was the publisher / editor of Motor Sport Reporter (I think) - a fortnightly newspaper of the time.

So, if the 1976 winner became the 1977 Moss / Brabham car, then it's still alive, isn't it, and running in historics?

Tongue bitten.

Sir Jack came back in an A9X in 1978. Shared with Brian Muir at Bathurst that year and did some ATCC / Endurance races. In 1977 he drove with Geoff Brabham in one of John Goss's cars.


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#3646 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 10:55

Gabriel was the moving force behind Chequered Flag magazine...

He was involved in the Moss/Brabham deal to some reasonable extent at least.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 11:21

Gabriel was the moving force behind Chequered Flag magazine...

He was involved in the Moss/Brabham deal to some reasonable extent at least.


Yes, he was too. Was I getting confused, or did Gabriel move after selling to Nick? Or did he sell? Was Nick just the Editor?




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#3648 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:21

I really don't remember...

It was all a long way removed from my more factual world.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:30

Gabriel was the moving force behind Chequered Flag magazine...

He was involved in the Moss/Brabham deal to some reasonable extent at least.


Didn't my uncle, Nick Munting own Chequered Flag magazine? If it wasn't Chequered Flag it must have been a publication with a very similar moniker..............

#3650 SJ Lambert

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 13:15

I'm always interested in any Elfin 400 information Ellis. I remember seeing the Bob Jane 400 at Calder and Sandown..... and then following it for a while when Ken Hastings had it.

The original car that Frank Matich had that subsequently went on to Niel Allen was another favourite....

Then there was the Matich SR3.... the Matich SR4..... Niel Allens return volley on that, the Elfin ME5..

The Bob Jane McLaren 6b Repco....

The Lionel Ayres MRC.......

Maybe if I can list enough cars, someone might come up with running a demo for them at future historic meeting :cool:
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