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#3851 lyntonh

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 08:11

Bill Brown Warwick Farm Esses Practice 5th September 1970

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Always on the limit, but the only time I ever saw him lose it.

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#3852 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 09:39

Seems he didn't dent the fences either...

Darrell Bird has a photo of him in the same spot on race day in RCN and the caption says, 'The car's tail was twitchy all day, went right off at Polo later.' That was the early race, he followed Geoghegan and Moffat's Mustangs home for third in the later race.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 09:42

FVA : Four Valve Arrangement (4cyl= 16 valve)



FVA is Four Valve series A, hence the alphabetical run of later variants.
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#3854 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:48

Was there an FVB?

I don't think I've ever heard of one...

#3855 lyntonh

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 11:35

Warwick Farm 11th July 1970
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Warwick Farm 5th September 1970
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Warwick Farm 13th February 1971
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#3856 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 11:57

Originally posted by lyntonh
.....Warwick Farm 5th September 1970
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John Maroulis in his first drive, I think, of the car I later raced.

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Bruce Leer, possibly also a debut drive in the last rendition of the Milano line.

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Doug Macarthur in the Rennmax BMW. Note the monocoque wheels.


#3857 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 13:11

Warwick Farm 11th July 1970
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Warwick Farm 5th September 1970
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Warwick Farm 13th February 1971
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(sorry about the junk on the photo)

That clubbie has an ugly rollbar, and the openwheeler in the last pic has one that is too low


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Posted 25 August 2010 - 14:10

You would have been better off going to Waimate :)

(First race there was 1959, incidentally, in a downpour)


David,thanks for the correction,Ive got to stop writing this stuff so late at night,I pondered over the date,but by your caculation 1959 was the 1st Dunedin race then you would be right because I do remember it being a very 'Bleak' day ,I remembered our travelling friend was George Drayton, owner of Drayton and Jones departmental store in Christchurch,Canterbury Car Club Members both of them,not sure as I write this if they might have been travelling in some capacity regarding assisting in the Dunedin organisers................... :rolleyes: ttooooooooo long ago,but great to recollect on...................with regards David..................thunder427/Myles :)

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 14:46

Is it late at night again?

Dunedin is 135km (95 miles in old money) from Waimate



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#3860 bradbury west

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 16:18

Was there an FVB?

I don't think I've ever heard of one...


FVB; 1967. made as a 1500 as a purely experimental version of the FVA, made to speed development, and to examine the problems and possibilities for the DFV V8 before that engine actually ran.

FVC , 1790cc, is well known as the longstroke version of the FVA, produced for the then current Europena 2 litre sports-car racing, but seen as an interim engine by Cosworth.

FVD; 1973 with 1975cc, an experimental vesion of the FV family, unsing the enlarged bore/stroke of the BDG.

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#3861 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 21:29

That makes sense...

Though the FVA was a 'toe in the water' towards the DFV, a 1500cc version would give them more education.

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That clubbie has an ugly rollbar, and the openwheeler in the last pic has one that is too low


My car has that 'roll cage' for a good reason, Lee...

When Tony Oxley owned the car, he also owned the Chevron B8 BMW. One day he upended that into the lake at Warwick Farm and he recognised the worth of a really strong and useful roll bar... so he had Tony Simmons devise this 'cage' for him. To my way of thinking it looks better than the full width hoops of later years in Clubmans.

Most openwheeler hoops were about that height in those times.

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#3862 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 21:47

It is an interesting looking car. I agree that the single roll bar is stronger though it just needs to be lower!
The modern clubbies with the full cage though is downright ugly. Strong and safe but ugly.

#3863 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 02:23

I think you'll find that John Maroulis was quite short, so the bar sticks up more than it should over top of him...

One thing about Lynton's pics that's bothering me is the number of pics posted that I can't identify!

Can someone else help?

#3864 BT 35-8

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 03:09

11th July 1970 openwheelers are # Noel Potts in the Elfin 600B Alfa T/C , car number 16 ,

and following number 20 is a car I owned , John Mellen Repco Brabham Ford 1098cc ,
This is the Ex Barry Collerson FJ-8-62 , now sadly sold to the USA and originally Frank Gardner's
works F.Junior in U.K.


Warwick Farm 13th Feb . I think may be wrongly captioned , two openwheeler races that day
which is the Tasman meeting , race 2 was a Formula Libre for F.Ford and Libre cars that would not
have been eligible for the Tasman race and the race numbers start at 40 , the Tasman race has
# 21 however that is for Pat Burke Racing [ Len Goodwin] in the M4A McLaren FVA , and for sure
that isn't an M4A .

So maybe a date wrong meeting , if indeed it is the same meeting as above then # 21 is Pat Burke Racing
again [ Warwick Brown ] in BT 21 Brabham which it wasn't , actually was the re-bodied rebuilt ex Greg Cusack
BT6 frame from the Catalina accident of years prior.
The colour was listed as Silver /Blue , # 21 1] isn't that colour 2] certainly doesn't look like a BT21 .

Ray , any chance it's Erol Richardson in the Proton [ BT 23b replica ]Ford.


#3865 lyntonh

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 04:04

11th July 1970 openwheelers are # Noel Potts in the Elfin 600B Alfa T/C , car number 16 ,

and following number 20 is a car I owned , John Mellen Repco Brabham Ford 1098cc ,
This is the Ex Barry Collerson FJ-8-62 , now sadly sold to the USA and originally Frank Gardner's
works F.Junior in U.K.


Warwick Farm 13th Feb . I think may be wrongly captioned , two openwheeler races that day
which is the Tasman meeting , race 2 was a Formula Libre for F.Ford and Libre cars that would not
have been eligible for the Tasman race and the race numbers start at 40 , the Tasman race has
# 21 however that is for Pat Burke Racing [ Len Goodwin] in the M4A McLaren FVA , and for sure
that isn't an M4A .

So maybe a date wrong meeting , if indeed it is the same meeting as above then # 21 is Pat Burke Racing
again [ Warwick Brown ] in BT 21 Brabham which it wasn't , actually was the re-bodied rebuilt ex Greg Cusack
BT6 frame from the Catalina accident of years prior.
The colour was listed as Silver /Blue , # 21 1] isn't that colour 2] certainly doesn't look like a BT21 .

Ray , any chance it's Erol Richardson in the Proton [ BT 23b replica ]Ford.

Corrected date for car 21 ....Practice 2nd May 1970

Well done Sherlock!!

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 04:16

That's better ,

# A.Stewart / Dieter Kolb in the Monarch Ford 1498 Red/Gold.

Bryan Miller.

#3867 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 06:43

Thanks, Bryan, I was fairly confident it was the wrong meeting...

At the same time, I couldn't pick the car. What's wrong with me?

Of interest is that mid-field pack in the ProdSports (Marque?) race... first suggestion might be Graham Bland, but it's too early for him to be in a GT6. Strangely enough, he won this particular race in his Honda S800.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 06:52

The Monarch was originally a 1962 model Lynx, and I thought by 1970 or 71 it had a wing, not fitted in this pic

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:25

The clutch of sports cars ,

White GT6 is Harry Cape
White Triumph is McLean Strong Auto Clinic , Malcolm Weir TR5 PI .
Dark coloured Triumph rounding them up on the outside or snookered himself off line .
choice of two , best guess Ecurie Triumph , Peter Irwin TR5 PI , Blue , 2nd guess Ecurie Triumph
Duncan Williams TR4 Green .

Sprite , choice of many and half the problem is whether what is called as an MG Midget is /is not a Sprite
, funny things happened back then.

Sprites , but no colours really tie up, Jim Seeto [ Blue] , John Evennett [ Green ] David Bentley [ Blue ]
Warren Davis [not him as car is white/green ]

Other choice but in an MG Midget , Barry Bassingthwaighte , but 1310cc , Blue/Orange.

Graham Bland was in the race in the Honda S 800 , as was Godfrey Handschuh in an S800.

Bryan.

#3870 lyntonh

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:45

The clutch of sports cars ,

White GT6 is Harry Cape
White Triumph is McLean Strong Auto Clinic , Malcolm Weir TR5 PI .
Dark coloured Triumph rounding them up on the outside or snookered himself off line .
choice of two , best guess Ecurie Triumph , Peter Irwin TR5 PI , Blue , 2nd guess Ecurie Triumph
Duncan Williams TR4 Green .

Sprite , choice of many and half the problem is whether what is called as an MG Midget is /is not a Sprite
, funny things happened back then.

Sprites , but no colours really tie up, Jim Seeto [ Blue] , John Evennett [ Green ] David Bentley [ Blue ]
Warren Davis [not him as car is white/green ]

Other choice but in an MG Midget , Barry Bassingthwaighte , but 1310cc , Blue/Orange.

Graham Bland was in the race in the Honda S 800 , as was Godfrey Handschuh in an S800.

Bryan.


Some more clues....from earlier laps in the same race
(with a film change in the middle of it!!)
(the correct date is the 12th July 1970)
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#3871 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:45

John, I think you're right...

Stewart was an early devotee of wings, the Farm would be a place he'd be especially keen on them, I'd have thought. And in the photo posted earlier with Dieter Kolb driving, his name was prominent on the side of the cockpit.

#3872 lyntonh

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:47

Some more clues....from earlier laps in the same race
(with a film change in the middle of it!!)
(the correct date is the 12th July 1970)
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Jim Seeto at Bathurst Easter 1970
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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:28

Now we have # 28 , it is Seeto ,

Next quiz , TR3/3A , take your choice , Bob Cox [ brown/yellow , my guess] Bruce Thompson [ TR3A / Green]
Bob Kennedy [ TR3 , Blue ] , Barry Campbell TR3A , Green , Terry Harris TR3A Green.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 09:44

I appreciate this is off thread , however I am trying to help people overseas
with chassis numbers on a particular marque which is Crossle , I know we had/have one
which has the name of Gary Alcorn in my memory bank beside it , maybe a type 12F ,
But that's it , I can't find the car , which I didn't expect to , or any record of where it has gone ,
any clues please.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 14:03

Is it late at night again?

Dunedin is 135km (95 miles in old money) from Waimate


:blush: Gee!!! David your right again,as I subjested, those time as per each event ,today seem to all run into a blurr in one cnr of my memory bank,I attended Dunedin twice 2nd time when we lost Johnny Mansell (wet weekend I was thinking about),attended Waimate twice,was at Church gate cnr when Doc langley inverted his Humber 80 and the time before that somebody put a Triumph Herald coupe on its roof at the first cnr of the main straight............but as stated they are just great memories of time spent with my Father whom saw fit to take me to every thing motorsport...rule's where , that I was to see all, hear all,and keep my mouth shut unless spoken to!!!!!...I could do that....sorry to have to keep testing you archives/memories David ,but at least I can now 'date code' some of my experience's....regards 427/Myles :) :) :) ..............David I seem to remember spectating on an embankment along a railwayline would that have been Waimate or Dunedin?????? :|

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 16:26

No railway at Waimate but the old Wharf circuit at Dunedin ran past the railway station, and had lines running through it. It was last used in 1958. The Oval circuit where Johnny Mansel was killed in 1962 was a different circuit

But we should leave this thread to its subject - Australian photos :)

Edited by David McKinney, 26 August 2010 - 16:27.


#3877 thunder427

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 14:26

No railway at Waimate but the old Wharf circuit at Dunedin ran past the railway station, and had lines running through it. It was last used in 1958. The Oval circuit where Johnny Mansel was killed in 1962 was a different circuit

But we should leave this thread to its subject - Australian photos :)


David,thanks for the 'flash' back points in time and yes back to ...Australian content...................regards427/Myles :wave: :) :)

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 23:19

The clutch of sports cars ,

White GT6 is Harry Cape
White Triumph is McLean Strong Auto Clinic , Malcolm Weir TR5 PI .
Dark coloured Triumph rounding them up on the outside or snookered himself off line .
choice of two , best guess Ecurie Triumph , Peter Irwin TR5 PI , Blue , 2nd guess Ecurie Triumph
Duncan Williams TR4 Green .

Sprite , choice of many and half the problem is whether what is called as an MG Midget is /is not a Sprite
, funny things happened back then.

Sprites , but no colours really tie up, Jim Seeto [ Blue] , John Evennett [ Green ] David Bentley [ Blue ]
Warren Davis [not him as car is white/green ]

Other choice but in an MG Midget , Barry Bassingthwaighte , but 1310cc , Blue/Orange.

Graham Bland was in the race in the Honda S 800 , as was Godfrey Handschuh in an S800.

Bryan.


Was the Bassingthwaite car LHD ?

#3879 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:09

Originally posted by cavvy
Was the Bassingthwaite car LHD?


Yes, it was...

As shown on the previous page, IIRC.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 00:23

Some pages back I made mention of John Partridge's photos on one of the aussieroadracing websites run by Brian Darby, however it may have been "overlooked" by many as there was a lot going on at the time ...

There are some fabulous shots of little known Lakeview Hillclimb and Riverview Sprint on the border of the ACT which has always banned motorsport I believe and the NSW borders. Lakeview was once the venue of a round of the NSW Hillclimb Championship in the 1960s.

There are some interesting cars depicted, for instance the Lola T70 of John Scott-Davis, Nota Din, Bob Holden's Lynx, Warren Weldon's Holden, Paul England's Ausca VW S/c, Trevor Marden Nota BMC, Ian Pope in the Lolita .... and plenty of other photos .... including John's and other's Lotus 11s at Towac, Lakeside, Hume Weir, Warwick Farm etc.

Simply go to

http://aussieroadrac...nPartridge.html

Oh, Ray - you mentioned a 24 hour slot car race somewhere - was that at Ashfield?

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#3881 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 02:53

Originally posted by ed holly
.....Oh, Ray - you mentioned a 24 hour slot car race somewhere - was that at Ashfield?


No, it was at Crow's Nest... I was with the team from C & D at Parramatta, I believe they did run at Ashfield too...

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 03:22

Didn't the Escort run a BDA?

From a couple of pages back...
As Towil says, the FoMoCo Escort that Alan Moffat occasionally drove definitely had an FVA fiited - see attached photo when it ran at Singapore and KL in 1973. The other Escort is the John Basset / Globe Escort.
Photo was taken at the Ford Motor Co "Service Area" in Singapore.
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#3883 cavvy

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 05:20

From a couple of pages back...
As Towil says, the FoMoCo Escort that Alan Moffat occasionally drove definitely had an FVA fiited - see attached photo when it ran at Singapore and KL in 1973. The other Escort is the John Basset / Globe Escort.
Photo was taken at the Ford Motor Co "Service Area" in Singapore.
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same meeting?
http://picas.nhb.gov...leSearch=moffat


#3884 lyntonh

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 10:44

Yes, it was...

As shown on the previous page, IIRC.


11th July 1970 Warwick Farm
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 11:33

Some shots from Bathurst Easter Practice 1970.

First, Forrest's Elbow...
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Esses
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Now, the pits...
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A nice trio of SU's just over the fence...

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Any ideas?

Lynton

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:43

Obviously Beechey in the Monaro, Dick Johnson Torana, Brian Foley Chesterfield Porsche(?) and a rare(?) appearance of the Moffat Mustang without the traditional no. 9.
That Boss Mustang always looked so tough!

Edited by GeoffR, 31 August 2010 - 12:45.


#3887 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 13:10

How did Moffat get away with those 'headlight' covers. He was way ahead of the times in helping aero advantage.

#3888 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 15:04

Bob Winley in the Citröen Special exiting Forrest's Elbow...

No idea about the Clubman and the Spridget.

#3889 Shane Bowden

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 21:31

Hi Lynton, I suspect that the nice trio of SU's would be the Dalro Jag

#3890 Dick Willis

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 21:33

Shane I thought that until I remembered the carbs on a Jag are on the RH side, probably a Holden Special, but which one ?

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 21:34

Take foot out of mouth, carbies & exhaust on that side of the motor would indicate grey Holden. The body appears to have the shape of the later version of the Dalro though.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 21:38

G'day Dick, I must put brain in gear before opening my mouth. I don't know what car it is but it is a good looking bit of kit. see you at Wakefield.

#3893 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 22:23

What is a 'Healey Schazum'?

At 2440cc, it sounds distinctly like a Holden engine size, the colour listed is black, SUs would be logical.

In the meantime, now that the other pics have appeared for me, I see we have Jack Bono leading Ian Fergusson in the first of them. And while looking for that I found a pic of the Monarch with the paint scheme as on a previous page in Lynton's Warwick Farm photos, so that's a definite.

But I never heard of a Bowin Alfa before. There won't be pics of that, driver is listed as I Haynes but he didn't start.

Probably one of those hopefuls who entered expecting to have their full licence in time for Bathurst.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 23:19

The Bowin P4 , maybe a car that , this is all very fuzzy , came from an employee at Bowin or something similar
with a Corolla 1100/1300cc engine , haven't a clue about the first car .

Bryan.

#3895 Ian G

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:07

No, it was at Crow's Nest... I was with the team from C & D at Parramatta, I believe they did run at Ashfield too...



Brings back some memories,Jack Grenager's(spell?) American Raceways,just up the road from the Sydney Speed Shop,we use to compete in most of his races but not the 24/12 hour ones although we use to watch the start and finish,held on the track with the hills from memory. Amazing how quickly the fad collapsed,Jacks place went from where you had a long wait to use the tracks to a Ghost Town in a few Months and closed shortly after.My Uncle purchased the Narwee track at the height of the craze and lost Thousands when the kids lost interest.



#3896 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:19

Originally posted by BT 35-8
The Bowin P4, maybe a car that, this is all very fuzzy , came from an employee at Bowin or something similar
with a Corolla 1100/1300cc engine , haven't a clue about the first car.


Or maybe even a P3f someone disenchanted with FFord modified...

The only Corolla-powered Bowin I can think of is the wallpaper one, the Jardine car, and I'm pretty sure they ran in FFord first. But I have been wrong before.

Ian G... yeah, Jack Grenager's place, that hilly track was something else again... but we wuz robbed!

What happened, they plastered the track with some sticky goo before the race. We had built a car with a 'hemi' motor, these were quite expensive alongside all the regular motors. What were they? 36Ds and what was the smaller one? Anyway, we built a car with one and got there and found out the only cars that really suited the new surface were Russkits Porsche 906s.

My younger brother and I were on the team along with Keith Mellor and Geoff Cowell. It was the only slot car race I ever contested.

G & D kept going a while longer, they moved from a shopfront just around the corner from DJs in Parramatta to an upstairs location along Church street above some shop and were still there for some years.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:31

Schazum Healey = Schazum Healey Holden= Machealey, originally raced/built by South Australians later by various New South Wales people including Roger Wells into Historics, these days back to Machealey form with Graeme Marks

#3898 Dick Willis

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:57

Didn't Laurie Knight have a Corolla powered Bowin P4 about 15 years ago, he had it advertised for sale but I haven't heard of it since.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 02:10

.................... and a rare(?) appearance of the Moffat Mustang without the traditional no. 9.


And more importantly, where is the major sponsor that helped bankroll the racing since the Mustang landed?


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#3900 Ian G

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 03:11

Or maybe even a P3f someone disenchanted with FFord modified...

The only Corolla-powered Bowin I can think of is the wallpaper one, the Jardine car, and I'm pretty sure they ran in FFord first. But I have been wrong before.

Ian G... yeah, Jack Grenager's place, that hilly track was something else again... but we wuz robbed!

What happened, they plastered the track with some sticky goo before the race. We had built a car with a 'hemi' motor, these were quite expensive alongside all the regular motors. What were they? 36Ds and what was the smaller one? Anyway, we built a car with one and got there and found out the only cars that really suited the new surface were Russkits Porsche 906s.

My younger brother and I were on the team along with Keith Mellor and Geoff Cowell. It was the only slot car race I ever contested.

G & D kept going a while longer, they moved from a shopfront just around the corner from DJs in Parramatta to an upstairs location along Church street above some shop and were still there for some years.


I think the 36D were the Mitsubishi motors,very good,they had a 'yella-terror' version and ones with tiny ball bearings instead of brass bearings but all the top guys rewound their own motors.If anyone has Slot Cars or bits from the 1960's they go for huge $ on Ebay,i got nearly $400 for 2 complete Tamiya cars and a box full of bits and pieces a couple of few years ago when i was cleaning out my garage.

Sorry about OT,back to the main game.