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#4001 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 04:36

Leave it to Seldo to fill in those gaps...

You're right, John, it certainly looks very much Andrew Roberts driving.

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#4002 lyntonh

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 13:22

Warwick Farm 6th May 1973

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Pete Geoghegan
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Peter Lander & ?
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David Seldon (posted previously on Welsor thread)
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Peter Lander
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start of sports car race...Ian Field avoiding the sun, Peter Lander & ? ?
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#4003 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 14:02

Originally posted by lyntonh
Warwick Farm 6th May 1973

Pete Geoghegan
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Actually, that's Bill Brown. Leo drove a Porsche that day, but it was an earlier model and carried No 3.

.....Peter Lander & ?
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I thought that would be Neville Carden, but it seems he wasn't there that day. Some names to choose from:

Croudace, Longes, Tidey, Moulston, Adams.

To be honest, I don't remember what Croudace ran at that time, it could be him. Norm Adams was running a Super Seven, wasn't he? So he's a possibility. Gary Moulston's car was more angular, Tidey I don't recall, Longes had the Mawer.

.....Start of sports car race...Ian Field avoiding the sun, Peter Lander & ? ?
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That will be Matt Pintar in the MGB.

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One of the Porter brothers is there in the Datsun 2000, the light coloured special on the right intrigues me... KM body?

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#4004 lyntonh

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 22:07

Actually, that's Bill Brown. Leo drove a Porsche that day, but it was an earlier model and carried No 3.


A wild guess on my part...wasn't it around this time that Pete drove the Porsche at Amaroo, & had that brilliant race with Moffat & Bill Brown.
My memory is that the two Porsches were outbraking the Mustang at the stop corner but the Mustang was getting them back up the straight.

On the second last lap, they straddled him at the stop corner, came out three abreast...
& without room for the pit corner Moffat got squeezed & spun onto the infield across from the pits.

He leapt out of the car, & in frustration threw his helmet at the car.
It bounced off the roof & over onto the track just in front of the pit fence.

Or maybe it was Leo....



#4005 lyntonh

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 22:19

A sad day coming out of Homestead at Warwick Farm practice on 2nd May 1970.

The first photo is from an earlier lap.


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Anyone know the details?

Lynton Hemer


Did we ever get an answer to who this poor bloke was?

Oh, and don't you love the way the headlights are pointing in the first shot....why bother?
It can't be for aero-dynamic efficiency... it's the dirtiest front end you can imagine.

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#4006 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 22:26

Did we ever get an answer to who this poor bloke was?

Oh, and don't you love the way the headlights are pointing in the first shot....why bother?
It can't be for aero-dynamic efficiency... it's the dirtiest front end you can imagine.

Clubbies and that style Sports cars sometimes interest me as fun to drive, quick and dont take up too much room. Until you see pics like that!

#4007 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 00:10

Lynton, there's no practice crash mentioned in the report...

It really does look like a WA car. Shows how much we need someone with programmes!

As for the headlights, they were turned to prevent the glass getting broken by flying rocks etc. Most simply faced backwards.

#4008 lyntonh

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 00:18

Lynton, there's no practice crash mentioned in the report...

It really does look like a WA car. Shows how much we need someone with programmes!

As for the headlights, they were turned to prevent the glass getting broken by flying rocks etc. Most simply faced backwards.


I knew the real reason already. It always used to seem unfair to the tintops that they didn't have such a luxury.

#4009 lyntonh

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 00:19

Actually, that's Bill Brown. Leo drove a Porsche that day, but it was an earlier model and carried No 3.



I thought that would be Neville Carden, but it seems he wasn't there that day. Some names to choose from:

Croudace, Longes, Tidey, Moulston, Adams.

To be honest, I don't remember what Croudace ran at that time, it could be him. Norm Adams was running a Super Seven, wasn't he? So he's a possibility. Gary Moulston's car was more angular, Tidey I don't recall, Longes had the Mawer.



That will be Matt Pintar in the MGB.



One of the Porter brothers is there in the Datsun 2000, the light coloured special on the right intrigues me... KM body?


KM looks right, now I look closer.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:08

KM looks right, now I look closer.


Around that time there was a KM special with a Supercharged Slant 6 Valiant motor that came from the Bulli area of the South Coast, if my poor old memory is correct the owner/driver was Clive Rollie/Roly, just a wild guess, hope it helps.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 04:12

# 44 the clubman style car is Darryl Patterson , Gremlin Clubman BMC , 1098cc and Yellow.

6th MAY 1973 , I can't read the number fully , is only single digit , and the only car
that I can't identify is # 8 Brian Body , Bribo Holden 2963 Yellow.

And sad to say I have no recollection of that car or driver.

Bryan Miller.

#4012 lyntonh

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:13

KM200 as suspected
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:41

Must have been a late entry as not in programme.

#4014 ken devine

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 08:50

If that clubman was a WA car it was possibly Max Fletchers Holden powered VMS.

#4015 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 11:20

Originally posted by ken devine
If that clubman was a WA car it was possibly Max Fletchers Holden powered VMS.


Sorry, Ken, I was just taking wild swings of guesswork there...

The Shell logo had me thinking 'WA' as a number of WA cars had them. But the fact is that no Clubman could have a Holden engine in the East. 1100s and 1500s gave way to 1300s and 1600s in 1970 or so, then the 1600s died out by the end of the seventies.

I can't remember the Bribo Holden either, and I really should.

#4016 seldo

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 12:32

Sorry, Ken, I was just taking wild swings of guesswork there...

The Shell logo had me thinking 'WA' as a number of WA cars had them. But the fact is that no Clubman could have a Holden engine in the East. 1100s and 1500s gave way to 1300s and 1600s in 1970 or so, then the 1600s died out by the end of the seventies.

I can't remember the Bribo Holden either, and I really should.

Except Ray that it appears to have been an "Invitataion Sports Car Race" judging from the mixed bag on the grid, and hence no clubman capacity limits

#4017 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 18:58

Yes, it was, David...

But he referred to a clubman. I was just clarifying that point.

#4018 lyntonh

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 08:09

Oran Park 27th June 1970
Historics...captions by you oracles out there...
the Vauxhall has already been posted before...included here to complete the set.
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#4019 JimBradshaw

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 21:53

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Sep 18 2010, 09:09' post='4596251']
Oran Park 27th June 1970
Historics...captions by you oracles out there...
the Vauxhall has already been posted before...included here to complete the set.

Great pictures.


Does anybody know anything about car No 42?

It is obviously a D Type replica and frustratingly, with a little bit of improvement would be a nice looking and fairly accurate replica.

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#4020 lyntonh

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 07:27

Some odd shots.

Steve Thompson Warwick Farm Feb 1973 Tasman practice
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Unknown(s) Warwick Farm 15th May 1970
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David Seldon Amaroo Park 20th May 1973 (after some brake testing)
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Unknown Amaroo Park 22nd July 1973
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#4021 john medley

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 08:33

Before we cast those historic cars 1969(?) adrift, I suspect they are, in order from top to bottom

Bob Tick Rizzo Riley 1
Noel Barnes MG TC Special
Barry Davis MGTC Special
Barry Davis MG TC Special
Ian Cummins Jaguar C
David Holyoake Vauxhall 30/98
Keith Berryman(or was it Keith Russell?) Jaguar D
Alan Nolan Nind MG Special
Alan Puckett Aston Martin DB2
John Goddard Bugatti
Bob Winley before he was the Forward Roll King Citroen Special
Noel Barnes/ Ian Cummins
MG TC off line???

#4022 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 09:21

Originally posted by lyntonh
Some odd shots.....

Unknown(s) Warwick Farm 15th May 1970
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I reckon that might be Ray Parker in the Seven, don't know about the second car.

Unknown Amaroo Park 22nd July 1973
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Keith Murray... but I don't understand how Murray and Lander were both at the same meeting in Welsors!


#4023 lyntonh

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 09:45

I reckon that might be Ray Parker in the Seven, don't know about the second car.



Keith Murray... but I don't understand how Murray and Lander were both at the same meeting in Welsors!


I've just checked the film strip & it's correct at the date.

#4024 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 11:40

I know it's correct, Lynton...

I never said anything about the accuracy, merely that I don't remember Keith Murray racing a Welsor in the period in which Peter Lander was racing one. I thought Peter took over when Keith bowed out. In fact, I'm sure he did.

#4025 lyntonh

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 12:17

I know it's correct, Lynton...

I never said anything about the accuracy, merely that I don't remember Keith Murray racing a Welsor in the period in which Peter Lander was racing one. I thought Peter took over when Keith bowed out. In fact, I'm sure he did.



I stuffed up a date on an earlier post, so that was my reason to check. Plus, when things don't add up it pays to be pedantic.!!

A check of the Welsor topic post 78 (Dec 8 2006) with Trev's list of the chassis numbers, suggests that it's
chassis no: 4, being the only wishbone car not accounted for.

Peter Lander's car (chassis no: 2) was wrecked at the previous Amaroo meeting & was rebuilt in a hurry & run at Oran Park with no time to spare

#4026 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 12:45

Maybe David Seldon will weigh in and explain things?

He should be around some time, I expect.

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Posted 21 September 2010 - 23:17

Except Ray that it appears to have been an "Invitataion Sports Car Race" judging from the mixed bag on the grid, and hence no clubman capacity limits


It's definitely not a WA car that was ever run as a "clubman" at Wanneroo. Several "clubman" style cars with non-complying components, including engines, were run in the Caversham era and two (the Jomax of the Ibbottson brothers and the RE Ford of Warren Matthews)) in early Wanneroo days but were not referred to as "clubmans". In the clubman era the WA cars were very professionally presented and predominantly pretty cars with the ex-Seldo Welsor, the Mallock U2s of Roy Stokes and Dave Sullivan Jnr, the Ashdown (U2 replica) the BARPs and Delta (built by John Bowles), the ASP of Mike George and of course the Haggis cars (also U2 themed).

My brothers and I have just purchased the last Haggis to be built and are in the process of restoring it to original specs to run in historics over here. Hopefully, if the is a class it can run in, we will bring it east to some of the historic events in due course.
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Posted 21 September 2010 - 23:31

Maybe David Seldon will weigh in and explain things?

He should be around some time, I expect.

Sorry guys - I can't help as I came into the clubman scene just after Keith Murray backed out. But - I did think that Peter took over Keith's car..? Don't count on the accuracy of that thought though.

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#4029 john medley

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 02:58

Back to those pics labelled 6 May 1973 Warwick Farm. The programme lists:

51 Peter Lander Welsor Ford
53 Ray Hanger Nota Ford
54 David Seldon Welsor Waggott
18 Alec Brincat KM200 1600 cc

And the alarmingly folded up Clubman from May 1970... wild guess, but the driver looks perhaps like Jim Bayliss. Could it be a JB Clubman?

#4030 BT 35-8

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:27

John,

Refer my post # 4011 . Top line.

Bryan.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:25

Thanks, Bryan. Missed it. Well and truly gremlined( yes, a new verb, Blood Pressure enthusiasts!)

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:37

Jochen Rindt Warwick Farm...Year?

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#4033 David McKinney

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:42

Can only be 1969

#4034 lyntonh

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 12:10

Jochen Rindt Warwick Farm...Year?

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There were stories at the 1973 Tasman race at Warwick Farm, that Steve Thompson used Rindt's Firestone rain tyres from 1969, & of course won the race.

Looking at the two cars, curiously posted on the same page in this topic, the tyre width/profiles seem different.

My photo from 1973 is from practice, which may explain the difference.

Any explanations, or do my eyes deceive?


#4035 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 12:51

For a start, the rim sizes are different...

No way did Thompson use Rindt's tyres. If we looked hard, we could probably find stationary pics of the cars and see that the treads are different too.

#4036 lyntonh

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 13:04

For a start, the rim sizes are different...

No way did Thompson use Rindt's tyres. If we looked hard, we could probably find stationary pics of the cars and see that the treads are different too.


Must admit it always seemed like a daft concept, even at the time.
Perhaps some licence was being used to describe Thompson's Firestone rain tyres as the same TYPE as Rindt's.

#4037 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 05:33

Must admit it always seemed like a daft concept, even at the time.
Perhaps some licence was being used to describe Thompson's Firestone rain tyres as the same TYPE as Rindt's.



The pace of tyre development between 1969 and 1973 was such that the only similarity is likely to have been the name on the side of the tyre!!!!

#4038 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 05:44

Originally posted by Ellis French
Jochen Rindt Warwick Farm...Year?

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Is that your pic, Ellis?

If so, do you have more? Piers Courage, for instance, in the bi-wing Brabham? Derek Bell in the Ferrari?

#4039 Ellis French

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:43

Is that your pic, Ellis?

If so, do you have more? Piers Courage, for instance, in the bi-wing Brabham? Derek Bell in the Ferrari?



An aquaintance at our Car Club took the slide and gave me a scanned copy this week. He also gave me some from Le Mans 63 inc the Ferrari Transporter on that thread and I seen at a lot of others he had. I'll ask if he has any of those you mention. He is slowly scanning his old slides.
He told me he did roving reports for RCN from England etc for awhile, I imagine in early/mid 60's when the LeMans pics were taken.

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#4040 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 13:07

Someone I know, perhaps?

Look forward to seeing whatever you can get out of his scanner...

#4041 lyntonh

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 11:09

Oran Park 8th August 1971

Sports sedans...

Featuring the Bob Jane Torana Sports Sedan driven by John Harvey
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with Wayne Rogerson (Falcon) & John Leffler (Mini)
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I have a photo taken on the same lap from just a bit further up the track, where you can pick out two spectators among thousands,
ie Ian Field & myself (with camera in hand, having just taken this photo).
I'm unsure of whether to post it, just for interest, because it featured on the front of a Castrol promotion insert in Sports Car World & may be copyright.


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Now they all want wings
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Bruce Taylor, Barry Sharp, Wayne Rogerson, John Harvey, John Leffler
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#4042 seldo

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 11:42

Thanks Lynton - I am really enjoying your great shots. :)

#4043 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 11:59

Post it, giving the reference to where it is...

The yellow and black Mini has 'Jack Hayward Smash Repairs' (or is it 'Haywood'?) on it, that indicates Lynn Brown, I think. The Torana No 28 is probably Ron Gillard in the Pat Peck car. The Imp is Harry Lefoe, isn't it? And the VW Darrilyn Huitt?

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 13:00

Is that a Simca Aronde to the right of the VW and Lancer? How well did a Simca modify and perform?
Roger Lund

#4045 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 14:33

In the sixth pic, a head-on shot, there's a Holden of the FJ/48/215 style with headlight rims and grille from an EH...

Yes, Roger, that is a Simca Aronde and they went pretty hard till something broke. I don't see any Lancers there.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 22:04

In the sixth pic, a head-on shot, there's a Holden of the FJ/48/215 style with headlight rims and grille from an EH...

Yes, Roger, that is a Simca Aronde and they went pretty hard till something broke. I don't see any Lancers there.


Ray , I have to disagree on the identity of that car. I believe it to be the same Simca as depicted from the rear in the eigth pic. I believe the only mods to the front are the removal of the grille and the guard flares. Also the lights look standard to me.


#4047 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 22:26

Ray , I have to disagree on the identity of that car. I believe it to be the same Simca as depicted from the rear in the eigth pic. I believe the only mods to the front are the removal of the grille and the guard flares. Also the lights look standard to me.

It is a Simca, dont know if it is the same car as it seems a darker color.
Great photos Lynton, please keep them coming.


#4048 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 22:49

Is that a Simca Aronde to the right of the VW and Lancer? How well did a Simca modify and perform?
Roger Lund

Roger, Aussie Sports Sedans were much modified even in those days. Often not the original engine at all. The Simca is quite possibly powered by something bigger, a Holden 6 was common. The Harvey Torana has a Repco Brabham engine, The Sharp Jag has a Ford Windsor V8, The Imp has a Windsor, in the back seat!! The VW has a water pumper of some sort, it has a radiator up front. the no 17 FE Holden in pic9 has something differeent as it is left hook. Chev?
Rules were any engine to 5litre [or 6 litre if manufactured with a bigger engine] in the end of the car originally manufactured. So there was a few rear engined cars with bigger engines in the back seat area and a transaxle. Allan Grices Frank Gardner [and sometime driven]built Corvair won a couple of championships until CAMS deemed the engine must stay behind the gearbox in rear engine cars [unless otherwise manufactured] Front engine cars could have the flywheel back to the centre of the car.
These days the limit is 6 litre, the cars are often very sophisticated. Top cars are an Alfa GTV monocoque car with a Chev, A 300Zx with a Chev, A Saab with a Chev, a late Jag with a Chev, there was a very succesful Mk2 Escort monocoque car with a Chev etc. Though there is still some very quick rotary cars but at the front a Chev is easier and far more reliable.
I used to race a Torana XU1 [like the Harvey car] with a 6l Chev which was a good [and very simple] budget car that ran top 10

#4049 DJH

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 22:58

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Lithgow 40 Bends 1964, I have more pics., but, I've put image posting in the "too hard" basket. Some how I fluked this one......John.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 23:16

Lee, many thanks. All part of my education
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