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#4101 brucemoxon

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 23:00

as much as I disike Camrys they would make more sense than a Prius. Far larger with more boot space.
Though I still cannot see how they are cheaper to run overall than a Commodore or Falcon on gas as the maintenance is far more expensive on the front drive Camry.
Though maybe they do not do it, coming home last night turning right alongside a Camry cab and a CV was nearly ready to fall on the ground by the noise it was making and the driver seemed oblivious.



Well firstly, the drivers hardly ever own the cars. I was in a Falcon once with a howling, grinding diff - every time he took his foot off the throttle the car virtually stopped!

Operators like the Falcons for a couple of reasons. They're perceived as being a bit bigger for one and the industry believes they're more robust (I don't think they realise they no longer have pushrod engines!)

And I read once (in MOTOR or Wheels from memory, in a feature on taxis) that the big owners preferred Falcons because they were cheaper and quicker to repair - the Holdens' panel gaps were too small so they couldn't just throw panels at them over lunch.

My brother-in-law has been a player in the taxi industry in Sydney, by the way.

Oh, and they're just SO wedded to gas. I suggested to him (he runs a Hire Car company now) the Chrysler 300C with diesel he said 'wonder how it would be on gas'. Feh.

Now, where were we?


Come to think of it, this is just outside the ambit of this thread - but only just. Anyone really mind?
Pete Geoghegan in the TR7 Pro-Series at Amaroo.


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Bathurst 78 or 79


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Bathurst 77. Check out the price tag - and the consensus was "they're dreamin'"


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Oran Park 500 km race, 1978, practice (I used all my film up on Saturday!)

Peter Brock hands over to Jim Richards. The John Harvey / Charlie O'Brien car is on the left of the shot.

John Shepherd is there in his headset (I didn't think they were supposed to have radios!)

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Jim's gone. That's Charlie O'Brien leaning on the wall as Brock puts down his helmet.

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Bruce Moxon

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#4102 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:36

I will take that L34 for $9500. I wonder if it still advailable!

As for cabs yes the Fords seem to live best though since the BA Ford have done themselves a disservice by not offering Dual Fuel. And conversions are often not up to scratch because of the electronics. Ford have sold a LOT of Holdens both new and used.

#4103 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 11:55

Bruce, I think you'll find that Sheppo's wearing ear muffs...

I also think it was '79 that they allowed 2-way radios in the cars. But there was never any rule about what you had around the pits etc. Whenever it was permitted, there was a good Stonie cartoon in RCN.

#4104 redgts

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:13

Surely Frank Gardner in the UK Camaro he raced in NZ and Australia in 1972.




I attended this meeting at Warwick Farm as a 15yo ,after dusting off my program for that wet 1973 Tasman meeting ,the Camaro was indeed Frank closely followed by Pat Peck in a Torana.

The results of Heat 1 Sports Sedan & Touring car Trophy Race ,were(according to my records).
Allan Moffat Mustang
Pete Geoghegan Falcon
Frank Gardner Camaro
Brian Sampson Celica


Heat 2
Allan Moffat Mustang
Pete Geoghegan Falcon
Bob Jane Monaro
Bob Stevens Mustang
Brian Sampson Celica

I must add this was my second only race meeting after the 1972 Tasman race ,if you look at the races for the day F5000 ,FF,Sports Cars, Sports sedan & touring cars,F2& F3s,South Pacific Touring car series, and Sports Sedan Invitation race together some pretty famous names both local and internationally it seem a little disappointing that we can't see this quality racing at of any more.

#4105 Wirra

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:52

... wet 1973 Tasman meeting...
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Bob Stevens Mustang
Brian Sampson Celica
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Fairly sure this is Sampson...
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But, is this Stevens?
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Apologies for the quality - I think I need some tips from Lynton

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#4106 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 14:04

You identify them correctly...

It was one wet day, all right. But the show had to go on... to the detriment of racing at the Farm generally, I believe.

And the Stevens car is the blue Bob Jane Trans-Am Mustang that eventually found its way back to the US.

#4107 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 21:52

Has Brian Sampson ever raced without no 78 on his car? I have seen him in a variety of equipment over the years and always no 78.

#4108 Wirra

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 21:55

... the blue Bob Jane Trans-Am Mustang that eventually found its way back to the US.

Is this it in Jane's hands - or yet another one? It looks far less modified. I have a photo of the infamous Mike Gore in a Mustang - did he run it at some stage or was that, again, yet another one?
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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:32

Bruce, I think you'll find that Sheppo's wearing ear muffs...

I also think it was '79 that they allowed 2-way radios in the cars. But there was never any rule about what you had around the pits etc. Whenever it was permitted, there was a good Stonie cartoon in RCN.

I know they were using two way radio's at Bathurst in 1977. Both Brock and Moffat's failed early in the race.

#4110 cooper997

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 07:08

Is this it in Jane's hands - or yet another one? It looks far less modified. I have a photo of the infamous Mike Gore in a Mustang - did he run it at some stage or was that, again, yet another one?
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Wirra,

I'm going to take a chance and say that's Bob Jane at the wheel. Warwick Farm - AJC Touring Car Trophy Meeting, July 14th, 1968. The car was co-entered with Ian Cook.

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#4111 Ellis French

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:00

This "last seasons" 68 Transam was sourced by Moffat in the States when he was working for Jane. Jane was to drive this and Moffat was to get a drive in Janes old Mustang but the drive fell thru and Moffat returned to the States expecting to pick up another "last seasons" car for himself but instead returned with a brand new "Current Year " 69 Transam and the rest is history.
As previously mentioned the car is now back in the States.

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Single frame shots from my old 8mm movies at Symmons Plains

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#4112 redgts

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:27

You identify them correctly...

It was one wet day, all right. But the show had to go on... to the detriment of racing at the Farm generally, I believe.

And the Stevens car is the blue Bob Jane Trans-Am Mustang that eventually found its way back to the US.


Wirra's pics are of Brian Sampson's No78 Celica and No6 Bob Stevens "Trans Am Mustang" ,but from memory I think at that time it may have been olive green, by the late seventies it changed to blue and a grill change,XB Falcon in place of the original grill.

It was amazing how the little Celice carved it's way through field of more powerful cars in the heavy rain .

Other interesting cars entered in that race, were a Zephyr V8 of Ian Munt and a Morris with a holden motor of John Lawes.

#4113 lyntonh

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:28

Oran Park 26th & 27th June 1970

Including an odd slide scan or two...

John Leffler in the middle...
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Now I want to see his photo...
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It always seem to be stuck to the road better when Brock had it...
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Mini sandwich
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Some wider views...
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Ross Bond, Wayne Rogerson & Lakis Manticas
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#4114 seldo

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:34

Keep them coming Lynton - great shots! :)

#4115 gtsmunro

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 00:37

Some very good pics in there. Who's in the GT's in 8 and 9? One looks like Fred Gibsons.

#4116 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 02:02

Fred Gibson is the one tailing Don Holland in the white Mini (note the 'DH' numberplate), I have no idea who the other Falcons would be...

No 8 Lotus 23 is Ian Adams.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 04:49

Ray, we have discussed this before on other forum topics. Ken Hastings purchased the damaged Elfin 400 from Bob Jane complete withe the Repco engine. When Ken sold the car, and I can't remember the name of the guy that purchased it, but the McLaren 4A that Ken ended up with was part of the deal. The Repco engine from the 400 went into a speed boat. My source of information on this was Ken Hastings, who unfortinately, is no longer with us...

The question that I have asked before when discusing this topic is where the Repco V8 that is in the now restored Elfin 400 came from?



I can tell you the genuine badge on the current nose of the current 400 was supplied gratis by an enthusiast - I saw it many times over the years in a jar on his desk.

#4118 lyntonh

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 04:08

Whilst I was looking for photos of the John Goss Tornado to illustrate the wanderings on the Mallala thread,
I came across these shots taken at the RAC trophy meeting at Warwick Farm on 2nd May 1971.

I'm not sure when the car changed hands, but by the location of several decals & some pin-striping,
it's the same car, with changed mirrors & roll bar, unfortunately having overheating problems at Creek.

A couple of the photos are of poor quality, especially the last one, which was among a group of shots
taken from the esses bridge, playing around with long exposures & tight zoom to emphasise movement.

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The Goss car for quick comparison...Bathurst Easter 1970
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Warwick Farm 2nd May 1970
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#4119 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 04:55

Overheating problems, eh?

I remember them. Cracked block when we got to play with it. Yeah, it's the same car, though I seem to recall that it wasn't the only car wearing that body. Maybe a Turnham?

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#4120 Leo D

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 06:56

Is this it in Jane's hands - or yet another one? It looks far less modified. I have a photo of the infamous Mike Gore in a Mustang - did he run it at some stage or was that, again, yet another one?
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That's the 2nd Mustang that Bob got to replace the one rolled at Catalina Park. It's the one that ended up with Chris Brauer. It was crashed at the start of the ATCC at Lakeside.
The 3rd Bob Jane Mustang was the trans am model with the big fuel filler in the boot lid. It was originally blue then changed to orange team colour.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 09:36

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Sep 29 2010, 21:09' post='4618800']
Oran Park 8th August 1971

Sports sedans...

bang...
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Any information available on the Mazda 800 in the photo or leads to the Driver.



#4122 Wirra

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 10:36

Warwick Farm 2nd May 1970
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#4123 lyntonh

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 11:25

Oran Park Practice 9th August 1969
Robin Orlando corner
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G Toepfer
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Ralph McIntyre Green Morris Minor Ford 1708 in front of ?
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My first Brock photo
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? in front of Barry Sharp (Falcon) & Terry Hook (Holden)
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Barry Sharp
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Brock again with an interesting mix on the mound behind
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Pete Geoghegan at the dogleg
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Don Holland being informal (or carrying a Roman 10)
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#4124 lyntonh

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 06:45

Motorsports Show (Sydney Showgrounds?) June 1969.

Granatelli gas turbined Indianapolis car
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Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale (foreground) (your guess, in the background)
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Matich SR4
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Repco Engine from SR4
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London Sydney Marathon Falcon GT (Ian Vaughan)
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As you can see I was yet to buy my wide angle lens.

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#4125 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:26

For a couple of years, Lynton, there was a motor sports type show somewhere over Ryde way, IIRC... not that this means there was never one in one of the pavilions at the Showground...

And I'd think that car in the background of the Stradale might be one of those MG TD lookalikes they sold out of a showroom at North Sydney. Cortina 2-litre engines?

#4126 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 14:39

Here's one from a gentler era...

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Geoff Smedley had something to do with it, I'm quite sure. It wasn't unusual for shenanigans to be seen at Surfers Paradise.

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#4127 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 23:28

I always liked Freds better!

#4128 seldo

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 01:03

...And I'd think that car in the background of the Stradale might be one of those MG TD lookalikes they sold out of a showroom at North Sydney. Cortina 2-litre engines?

They were called a TD2000 and used Nissan (Pintara?) 2l engine. But, whilst that was also my initial guess, the back is wrong for one of those - too flowing. They had a slab-tank type rear. I think it's a Bufori type thing, but don't think it is actually a Bufori. Dunno...

#4129 lyntonh

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 02:07

They were called a TD2000 and used Nissan (Pintara?) 2l engine. But, whilst that was also my initial guess, the back is wrong for one of those - too flowing. They had a slab-tank type rear. I think it's a Bufori type thing, but don't think it is actually a Bufori. Dunno...



I've just gone a-huntin' & found that the car in the background is most likely a 1967 Alfa Romeo Gran Sport Quattroruote


#4130 seldo

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 08:55

I've just gone a-huntin' & found that the car in the background is most likely a 1967 Alfa Romeo Gran Sport Quattroruote

Thank you. That makes much more sense, although even then, it seems there's something too modern about the wheels. But maybe it was an Alfa show of some kind, which would validate the Alfa connection.
Keep those photos rolling Lynton - great stuff. :)

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 01:27

Motorsports Show (Sydney Showgrounds?) June 1969.

Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale (foreground) (your guess, in the background)
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Lynton,

This would have been Alec Mildren's stand.

You're right the background car is an Alfa Romeo Zagato Gransport Quattoroute 1750 built around 1965/66 with retro 1930's looks. SCW July 1966 has it on the cover and feature article on page 22.

The Stradale is featured on the cover of SCW May 68, then there's an Autodelta (Alfa's racing division) feature by Ian Fraser on page 58.


I'll bring this photo to the attention of some Alfa Romeo friends.

Stephen

#4132 lyntonh

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 05:02

Lynton,

This would have been Alec Mildren's stand.

You're right the background car is an Alfa Romeo Zagato Gransport Quattoroute 1750 built around 1965/66 with retro 1930's looks. SCW July 1966 has it on the cover and feature article on page 22.

The Stradale is featured on the cover of SCW May 68, then there's an Autodelta (Alfa's racing division) feature by Ian Fraser on page 58.


I'll bring this photo to the attention of some Alfa Romeo friends.

Stephen


Thanks Stephen,

The spelling of "Quattroruote" is interesting, apparently meaning "Four Wheels".

It's referred to in several google searches as "Quatt{r}oroute", as you have spelt it above, & other variations as well.

I nearly made a smart remark on my earlier post to suggest "best of luck with the spelling"!!

I really should have taken a photo of the car on its own way back then, but I may have been unable to get through the crush
to get a clear shot.


#4133 cooper997

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 07:56

Lynton,

I think my spelling minus the first 'r' was poor attention on my part. As any Alfisti will tell you 'Quattroroute" is also the Alfa Romeo factory publication's name.

I've let Barry & Richard know about your photo & TNF. So I hope you won't mind if they come back asking for a high resolution version. Barry is a recent President for the Alfa Romeo Owners Club here in Victoria.

Stephen

#4134 David McKinney

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 08:53

As any Alfisti will tell you 'Quattroroute" is also the Alfa Romeo factory publication's name.

Yes, and this is the link to its website
http://www.quattroruote.it/
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#4135 Paul Newby

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 00:05

As any Alfisti will tell you 'Quattroroute" is also the Alfa Romeo factory publication's name.


I'm afraid that "Quattroroute" is an Italian specialist motoring magazine and is not associated with Alfa Romeo in any way. The idea for the Gran Sport Quattroruote did come from an article in Quattroruote in 1965 and the car is a replica of the 1750 Gran Sport built in the early 1930s by Zagato. The GSQ was built on the 105 Series Guilia Sprint floorplan (1600cc) and 92 were made, of which I think only 2 were RHD. I understand the car in the photo was bought by Kerry Packer and it is still in Alfa club ownership, now on the NSW north coast. I have seen this car in the flesh.

As for Ray's comments about a a motor sports type show over in the Ryde area, that may well be the Motor Club Shows promoted by Stephen Knox at the just opened Macquarie Shopping Centre in the early 1980's.



#4136 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:34

Yes, they would be the ones, Paul...

Glad someone else remembered them!

#4137 Cam Arnott

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:58

Hi Guys

Anyone have any more photos of Porsches racing in Oz in the late 60's and early 70's?

Lyntonh that sequence of Bob Brown having a spin is fantastic!!

All donations greatly accepted ;)

Cheers

Cam


#4138 lyntonh

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:19

Oran Park 8th August 1971
Dulux Rally cars...Mostly profiles

Colin Bond
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Kevin Bartlett
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Bob Holden, David McKay
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Kevin Bartlett
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Ken Tubman
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Colin Bond
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Bob Inglis
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Bob Holden
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Paul Older
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Mal McPherson
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David McKay
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Stewart McLeod
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Mal McPherson & ?
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Bob Watson
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Roger Bonhomme
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David McKay
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Bob Watson
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#4139 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:28

I think Bob Watson has the seat stuck forward!

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#4140 lyntonh

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:38

lyntonh
Am I correct in thinking #12 in the Warwick Farm pics is the Buchanan-rebodied Skoden driven probably by Garry Summers?


In searching through my one & only (lonely) programme from way back then,
I came across an entry for event 2 the 6 lap Camden Sports Car Scratch Race at Oran Park at 8.52pm December 14th 1968.
(I can't remember if it started on time!!)

Car 11 Garry Summers Buchanan 2440cc Red

The Farm race was only 9 or so months later....

#4141 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 20:21

Originally posted by lyntonh
Oran Park 8th August 1971
Dulux Rally cars...Mostly profiles

.....Ken Tubman
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Don't think that's actually Ken Tubman at the wheel, perhaps his co-driver?

Whichever, I think that's the first picture of a Tasman or Kimberley I've ever seen published in competition!

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 21:33

lyntonh
re rebodied Skoden
Thanks!
Regards
JM
Great Photos!

#4143 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 21:37

Don't think that's actually Ken Tubman at the wheel, perhaps his co-driver?

Whichever, I think that's the first picture of a Tasman or Kimberley I've ever seen published in competition!

The ultimate in Landcrab motorsports! I would love to see the times compared with the Toranas and Capris around Oran. And yes I know they were a competitive car in rallying,, on dirt.

#4144 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 23:31

There is actually a picture in RCN...

It shows a bunch of cars (head on shot) coming through the Esses, with the 'land crab Mk 3' dragging the chain and on a strange line in the background.

#4145 BMH Comic

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 14:34

I think Bob Watson has the seat stuck forward!



There is a good reason for Bob looking like he has the seat down!

He is in the passengers seat,

I believe that this was the First R12 Gordini into Aus and they were all left hookers before being converted to right hand drive by Renault Competition department in late 71/early1972?? also fitted with 150hp+ engines.

I think this is also the same car that went to the African Safari and came home in several box's.

6 more came to Aus.

#4146 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 22:02

There is a good reason for Bob looking like he has the seat down!

He is in the passengers seat,

I believe that this was the First R12 Gordini into Aus and they were all left hookers before being converted to right hand drive by Renault Competition department in late 71/early1972?? also fitted with 150hp+ engines.

I think this is also the same car that went to the African Safari and came home in several box's.

6 more came to Aus.

You are right, the car is left hook and from the camera angle looks like he is way forward.

#4147 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 01:34

Originally posted by BMH Comic
.....the First R12 Gordini into Aus and they were all left hookers before being converted to right hand drive by Renault Competition department in late 71/early1972?? also fitted with 150hp+ engines.....


Courtesy of the Repco SR454 pistons...

Much better power than the original Gordini pistons, even though they were cast rather than forged.

#4148 BMH Comic

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 02:44

Courtesy of the Repco SR454 pistons...

Much better power than the original Gordini pistons, even though they were cast rather than forged.


What was different about the pistons Ray, they were on the same con rods wernt they??

#4149 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:21

Yes, same rods...

But they weren't simply domed with flycuts like the Gordini ones, they had a raised section to one side and were flat on the other. If you were to look at the regular 16TS chamber you'd see why, I think they left more material in the chamber too, rather than just hollow it all out to a pure hemisphere like Gordinis did.

I used these in my Clubman with a Collier modified 16TS engine, Collier said they got 160hp at the rear wheels, but the rings weren't up to it (they used Landrover rings!) and they soon shattered. I got oversize ones the next year and used better rings, but by then my Webers had been stolen and I had to use Dellortos.

#4150 lyntonh

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 09:54

Some time ago (post 3586 July 10th 2010) I posted a photo of Bob Muir in the esses at the Farm,
gritting his teeth in a real grimace.
It's one of my favourites, simply because of the car's attitude & the look on his face.
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Bruce Moxon asked me off forum for a copy to give to Bob & in digging it out, I went hunting
for others that he might find interesting,

I came across these photos, which are dated in my folder as on the same day, in morning practice.
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This got me going, because it obviously couldn't have been the same day, or even the same meeting,
because the car's different ...no wings.


I rabbited around in my negatives & slides to see what was going on, & checked shots that were confirmed as from that day,
even to the extent of taking the slides out of the mounts to compare the edges where they had been cut.

Everything seemed correct date wise, but how come....?

And then it dawned on me...

The grimace was because I was photographing him on his first few laps with his car fitted with his new wings.

He must have practised in the morning to put in a "banker" lap for the grid,
added the wings between sessions & gone out to see what he had.

No wonder he had that look on his face....he must have found the car completely different.

Anyway...that's my story..& until someone comes up with a better one (Bruce...are you there?)
I'm satisfied with it!!

Edited by lyntonh, 13 February 2012 - 11:41.