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#4151 brucemoxon

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 11:58

Some time ago (post 3586 July 10th 2010) I posted a photo of Bob Muir in the esses at the Farm,
gritting his teeth in a real grimace.
It's one of my favourites, simply because of the car's attitude & the look on his face.


Bruce Moxon asked me off forum for a copy to give to Bob & in digging it out, I went hunting
for others that he might find interesting,

I came across these photos, which are dated in my folder as on the same day, in morning practice.
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This got me going, because it obviously couldn't have been the same day, or even the same meeting,
because the car's different ...no wings.


I rabbited around in my negatives & slides to see what was going on, & checked shots that were confirmed as from that day,
even to the extent of taking the slides out of the mounts to compare the edges where they had been cut.

Everything seemed correct date wise, but how come....?

And then it dawned on me...

The grimace was because I was photographing him on his first few laps with his car fitted with his new wings.

He must have practised in the morning to put in a "banker" lap for the grid,
added the wings between sessions & gone out to see what he had.

No wonder he had that look on his face....he must have found the car completely different.

Anyway...that's my story..& until someone comes up with a better one (Bruce...are you there?)
I'm satisfied with it!!


Sounds like a workable theory. I'll have him asked!

Again - thanks for posting these. They're great.

Maybe the look is due to greater steering effort with the suspension compressed by some downforce? Bob's never been a real big bloke, has he?



Bruce Moxon

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#4152 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 12:05

Of course it was not uncommon in those times for people to try running with and without wings in the same sessions even...

Wings were in their infancy, some regarded the drag on the straight as costing more time than was saved by going quicker in the corners.

Strange that someone might do that at the Farm, but if he simply hadn't run wings before at all, not in the slightest unusual.

By the way, you can just see the hole in the bodywork where the tube for the front wings goes through in the first colour shot, which should give you more confidence in the whole thing. And I wonder if, perhaps, the grimace is because he's got it out of shape and is expecting it to lose its downforce?

#4153 giffo

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 01:56

Here's one just sent to me by the Barnes family of Tassie this week.
Alan Barnes in the yellow hat with Bob Mcfarlane (driver) at Symmons Plains in 1970/71.
The car is a Wren or Goblin/Ford as it was then known (actually the GWG)

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There is some more images of a few Vees, Sporties and others from Tassie in the link
http://www.gwg.warm....rs/alan-barnes/

This car in the image above I've had for the last 4 years which I'm continuing to research it's full history
Comments welcome

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#4154 David Shaw

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 02:01

He must have practised in the morning to put in a "banker" lap for the grid,
added the wings between sessions & gone out to see what he had.

No wonder he had that look on his face....he must have found the car completely different.

Anyway...that's my story..& until someone comes up with a better one (Bruce...are you there?)
I'm satisfied with it!!


Something else that tends to confirm your theory, is that in the first photo the rear wing appears to be attached to the engine cover, in the colour shots it is sans engine cover.


#4155 brucemoxon

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 08:37

Something else that tends to confirm your theory, is that in the first photo the rear wing appears to be attached to the engine cover, in the colour shots it is sans engine cover.



Ah! Something had been bothering me - thanks David.

Don't imagine it would have produced all that much extra grip then, being attached to just fibreglass.



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#4156 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 10:14

Don't worry, Bruce...

It would have been securely mounted. After all, the front winglets were mounted on a piece of 16g tube about an inch in diameter... the rear wing would be pushing down on something substantial.

#4157 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:55

Don't worry, Bruce...

It would have been securely mounted. After all, the front winglets were mounted on a piece of 16g tube about an inch in diameter... the rear wing would be pushing down on something substantial.

That very substansial oil cooler bracket would probably be it !

#4158 lyntonh

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 11:55

I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...

Starting with Vees
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Then Sports Cars...
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Paul Hamilton (Turner),? & David Mingay (Datsun)
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Ian Adams & a road registered Milano ( Bruce Lear?/Moss Angliss?)
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Hamilton/Mingay
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? & a just spun Bug-Eye
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Peter Woodward Elfin???
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Ian Adams & ?
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Might belong in the 'Reversed Direction Racing' thread...pick the faces...
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Looks like Leo Geoghegan in the black corduroy hat
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A bit blurry, but...
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KB? + ? + ?
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But, seriously folks. Graham Moore
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Fred Gibson, John Goss & ?
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FLAT out... John Goss
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#4159 Ray Bell

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:10

Peter Woodward? In the 'R & T Chev'?

Unfortunately, no.

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#4160 Wirra

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:56

I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...
FLAT out... John Goss
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Not the same meeting but I think we all know how he got that 'flat'.

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#4161 Wirra

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 21:09

I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...
Fred Gibson, John Goss & ?
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First lap through the esses.

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#4162 lyntonh

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 22:05

Peter Woodward? In the 'R & T Chev'?

Unfortunately, no.


Unfortunately, for Peter, or Fred, or R & T?


#4163 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 06:13

Originally posted by lyntonh
Unfortunately, for Peter, or Fred, or R & T?


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#4164 Catalina Park

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 06:57

I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...

Starting with Vees
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That would be Maurie Miller in the MJM Roadrunner Vee in front. (the MJM has been in my possession for the last 25 years)

#4165 brucemoxon

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 08:20

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Nov 1 2010, 11:55' post='4680441']
I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...



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The 'horse' is Damon Beck and Barry McIvor (front to back), John Moxon in the wheelchair, Graham Baker as the coachman and me picking up behind them. Formula Vee Assoc entry. We got a bad start - we'd been on pole!

I have here somewhere the Racing Car News report. Leading in the first photo is Lance J Ruting, who went on to win the race.


Lynton, may I put a copy of this on the Historic Vee Facebook page?


Bruce Moxon

Edited by brucemoxon, 02 November 2010 - 08:28.


#4166 lyntonh

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 10:01



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The 'horse' is Damon Beck and Barry McIvor (front to back), John Moxon in the wheelchair, Graham Baker as the coachman and me picking up behind them. Formula Vee Assoc entry. We got a bad start - we'd been on pole!

I have here somewhere the Racing Car News report. Leading in the first photo is Lance J Ruting, who went on to win the race.


Lynton, may I put a copy of this on the Historic Vee Facebook page?


Bruce Moxon


Of course you can.

I had a feeling someone might get to see themselves.

Now we just want the two Sports Sedan guys to own up!!



#4167 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 18:03

Bruce did already...

And you can hear the howls of anguish from here!

#4168 brucemoxon

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 19:29

Bruce did already...

And you can hear the howls of anguish from here!



Not quite. Damon and Barry were in the horse costume 'pulling' Dad in the Vee Assoc entry.

The sports sedan guys were on a tandem with a wing! No idea who they were - one on the back looks vaguely familiar, but maybe he's got one of those faces.




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#4169 seldo

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 01:41

Not quite. Damon and Barry were in the horse costume 'pulling' Dad in the Vee Assoc entry.

The sports sedan guys were on a tandem with a wing! No idea who they were - one on the back looks vaguely familiar, but maybe he's got one of those faces.

Bruce Moxon

The 2 guys on the bike with car-wheels look a bit like John Leffler in front, and Bob Skelton on the back, and Ross Bond solo behind

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#4170 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 02:05

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Nov 1 2010, 22:55' post='4680441']
I've been scanning more from Oran Park 8th August 1971...

Paul Hamilton (Turner),? & David Mingay (Datsun)
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I think the ? between my Turner and David's Datsun is Peter Wilson in the Rennmax/Lotus 23.

#4171 Wirra

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 11:01

Dug out a few more.

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#4172 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 13:51

Streak chasing Ray Kaleda across the Northern Crossing...

I'll leave the Vees to the experts, but that's a Mako in front.

And then there's Bill Brown trying to get past Moffat's Mustang while the ex-Beechey Munro 350 sits in the pits.

Lynton, is there a possibility you could get more detail (ie. enlarge severely) the people on the Press Room landing?

#4173 lyntonh

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 21:11

Streak chasing Ray Kaleda across the Northern Crossing...

I'll leave the Vees to the experts, but that's a Mako in front.

And then there's Bill Brown trying to get past Moffat's Mustang while the ex-Beechey Munro 350 sits in the pits.

Lynton, is there a possibility you could get more detail (ie. enlarge severely) the people on the Press Room landing?



I'd love to, but I'm not sure Peter's going to send me his slides!!

#4174 Wirra

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 21:51

I also found some bike photos from Warwick Farm

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see more here - http://forums.autosp...howtopic=138265

#4175 Wirra

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 22:09

..is there a possibility you could get more detail (ie. enlarge severely) the people on the Press Room landing?


Sorry Ray, but your failure to identify the mighty Wirra as the centrepiece of photos #2 leaves me with no alternative than to deny your narcissistic wants.


PS. Check your e-mail
regards.

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#4176 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 00:43

Thanks Peter...

I see you forgave me for not being at the top of my form posting at midnight after getting up at 4am!

#4177 eldougo

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:50

[quote name='Wirra' date='Nov 7 2010, 20:01' post='4693062']
Dug out a few more.

Posted Image...Is that Paul Bernasconiin the Mako.



#4178 Wirra

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 20:48

Doug - Fairly sure that is Paul's ex-Kleinig car but he had sold it by then and moved on to formula ford. Here is a photo of it with the mighty Wirra under construction in the foreground.

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Here is one of Paul's first outings in the Bowin and straight away amongst the leaders.

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#4179 eldougo

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 07:45

Paul always had a peak attached to his Helmet, it was some thing to do with his eyes which in the end stopped him racing.

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#4180 gouldo

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 11:18

I am pretty sure that a mate of my dads owns the Bernasconi Bowin now. It hasn't been seen for quite a while, and is still very original.

#4181 lyntonh

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 23:06

Bob Jane & Kel Carruthers at Warwick Farm

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#4182 Lola5000

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 00:28

Bob Jane & Kel Carruthers at Warwick Farm

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Is that the Trans Am car ?

#4183 David Shaw

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:08

Is that the Trans Am car ?

Yes, definitely a '68 model.

#4184 Lola5000

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:43

Yes, definitely a '68 model.

Wonder if its been found,after the Shelby museum issue.
Pity his '67 local built car is long gone.

#4185 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 13:51

What was the Shelby Museum issue?

And was his second Mustang a '67 model, or a '66?

#4186 Lola5000

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 20:17

What was the Shelby Museum issue?

And was his second Mustang a '67 model, or a '66?

it went missing for a few years,caught up in a shame museum.
second car that is a point,as his 1st car was destroyed early on.

#4187 Wirra

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 21:52

There is some discussion and photos of the 2nd and 3rd Jane Mustangs starting around post #4108

This appears to be Gary Campbell but I don't remember any cars prior to his Elfin 600.

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#4188 brucemoxon

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 01:44

There is some discussion and photos of the 2nd and 3rd Jane Mustangs starting around post #4108

This appears to be Gary Campbell but I don't remember any cars prior to his Elfin 600.

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Could be him, Peter.

Hard to be sure - he had "Provincial Motors" signs on his cars (he owned the VW / Mercedes dealership in Liverpool) and a band of stripes around the noses of his cars.

Before this he had a Standfast Vee but I'm not sure of any other cars. Dad, are you reading this?

And as an aside, I had a business trip to Melbourne this week. My hire-car driver coming home - Gerard Murphy, Gary's co-driver at Bathurst in 1969!



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#4189 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 09:51

Gary never owned such a car...

He went, as I recall, from the Vee to the 600 with twin-cam. Maybe he's loaned his hat to someone or maybe he's just doing laps to qualify?

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 10:39

Nowra Hill Climb 1961

How wonderfull a Box Brownie was in it's day!

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Albert Bridge in the Peugeot 203

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Ron Imisides Holden FE in right hand sweep prior to finish line.

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Phill Chittock in John White's Super Charged Austin Seven Special.

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Peter Williamson in his Buckle Zypher.

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John Lewin, MGA Twin Cam

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Barry Gardner Nota

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Col Potts, Triumph TQ

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John White, Austin 7 Special S/C

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Jill Hindmarsh, Morris Minor 1000

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Robertson Special


#4191 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 10:44

Great selection there!

Albert Bridge certainly looks serious, as does the Nota Major.

#4192 elansprint72

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 10:53

This is a really enjoyable thread! :clap:

#4193 275 GTB-4

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 11:09

Could be him, Peter.

Hard to be sure - he had "Provincial Motors" signs on his cars (he owned the VW / Mercedes dealership in Liverpool) and a band of stripes around the noses of his cars.

Before this he had a Standfast Vee but I'm not sure of any other cars. Dad, are you reading this?

And as an aside, I had a business trip to Melbourne this week. My hire-car driver coming home - Gerard Murphy, Gary's co-driver at Bathurst in 1969!



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Everyone has seen the G.C. on the side of his helmet I suppose :up:

#4194 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 11:25

Yes, it's certainly his helmet...

But it's doubtful he drove such a car.

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 02:32

Looking for pictures of Trevor (Spike) Jones running his SM Special VW at Oran Park or any other event in the mid to late 1960's, the SM stands for Slot Machines (Pokies) as this is how he funded the building & running of the car. Many thanks, Daniel

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#4196 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 03:48

Playing them?

Or, more likely, selling them?

#4197 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:23

Good news...

Today I met an older chap who went to the Sydney speedways in the late forties and early fifties, Bathurst through from the forties to the sixties, Lakeside and Surfers in the sixties etc. He took photos, it's just up to he and his wife to find them and I can post them here for him.

#4198 DanTra2858

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 21:06

Playing them?

Or, more likely, selling them?


Ray you a right, PLAYING THEM.

Spike & his Father brought an old Poker Machine (the one arm bandit type) & learnt how to adjust & fiddle the machine, needless to say they ended up being banned from many clubs on the South Coast, but it did pay for the building & running of the race car, the SM SPECIAL.

Hard to believe but a true story. Daniel

#4199 DanTra2858

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 21:19

Taken at Eastern Creek on Friday 26-Nov-2010, looking at Driver & Assistant holding the Helmet I was wondering what Caption would best suit the Situation, I was thinking something along the line of "I have someting in my eye so I won't be going fast" with the assistant thinking "Oh, not again", any comments?

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#4200 David McKinney

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 22:17

Wrong thread, I think

This one is for photos taken from the '50s to the '70s

Also, I'm not sure how acceptable it is to poke fun at other TNF members (unless of course they're friends of yours)