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#4501 eldougo

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:33

[quote name='Dick Willis' date='Jan 19 2011, 15:22' post='4793199']

I bought it in 1987 and had it for about ten years, it drove quite well apart from the viabration, ( the air cooled newsletter is aptly named "Loose Fillings") and having to push or tow start it was always a big inconvenience especially as the pushers always had a habit of disappearing just when you needed them.


Nowadays of course everyone has those electrically operated rollers which make it much easier.


Give credit to Garry Simkin he the one that created the rolling starter for air cooled in this country. Barry Lapham & myself had the job many a time of getting the JBS going..

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#4502 john medley

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:04

Aaaah, the Running Jumping and Standing Still Show...

I was one of the many who disappeared without trace when the Loose Fillings brigade continued to seek our services as starter motors. My first sight of one of those roller starters was Alan Morton at Lakeside in the 1980s with the Alba Triumph.

It is now 60+ years since the silver Mk 4 JAP and the blue Mk 4 Vincent ran together for the first time at Mt Druitt airstrip. When I last spoke to him in December Garry Simkin was bright eyed and bushy tailed about celebrating that occasion 60 years ago within the fortnight.

#4503 ken devine

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:07

Bob Lee Riley Pingelly 1940




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#4504 Ray Bell

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:35

The winner of that race...

But what of the spectators? Suit and tie, high heels and Sunday Best for madame as they hide from the sun under the tree and undoubtedly hope to not get too much dust over them!

What time of year was that?

#4505 ken devine

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:10

It doesn't give a time of the year. 1 Lee,2 Duncan Ord,3 Bill Smallwood.

#4506 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:33

That was the 'Double 8' build by Eldred Norman...

More familiarly known as the 'Double V8', it had two Ford V8s coupled by a double row chain, sequenced to fire as a V16 and bolted into a Dodge Weapons Carrier chassis. Truck wheels were drilled (to assist keep the unsprung weight down?) and two electric fuel pumps worked off the stoplight switch to spray water over the front brake drums.

If I had looked harder at the pic I would have worked that out! The Double V8 is quite well known. Though calling it a V16 is a bit misleading.

#4507 lyntonh

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 03:53

Rally of the Hills 25th October 1971 Hampton Hotel closed stage
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Is the Seldon related to our Volvo/Welsor/etc etc driver from the same period?


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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:00

Rally of the Hills 25th October 1971 Hampton Hotel closed stage
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Is the Seldon related to our Volvo/Welsor/etc etc driver from the same period?

Could easily be....

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:06

Rally of the Hills 25th October 1971 Hampton Hotel closed stage
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Is the Seldon related to our Volvo/Welsor/etc etc driver from the same period?


Correction on the date....24th Ocober 1971 (Sunday Morning)

#4510 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:07

Lynton, if you have pics from Hampton, are there any of my brother?

He'd be in an Escort, I'd think.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:20

Lynton, if you have pics from Hampton, are there any of my brother?

He'd be in an Escort, I'd think.


46 still to scan...you never know your luck!!

#4512 Lola5000

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 04:31

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Top shot is Kerry Cox, Paramount Jag, Mike Ward's Clubman alongside and Gordon Porter in the ex Ambrose, Tapping Elfin Aero behind. 1969
All pics are oldracephotos.com library.

photo5 second car is the MG Holden built by Harry Firth now owned by Mr Tate.

#4513 Terry Walker

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:29

I've been doing a cleanup on the Vin Smith colour slides - one box - and here are two shots of the last of his specials, the Sevin, new from the ground up. Vin could have taken his inspiration from the Birdcage Maserati with that spaceframe. The engine is unmistakably of VW origin, although probably straight from the Tempo Matador light truck that also supplied the gearbox. There's no visible fan housing in the pic, which unfortunately doesn't provide much more into when enlarged. The Matador had the driver sitting above the gearbox, with the engine right behind; early versions used the VW aircooled donk, with the fan housing just behind the driver's seat. The racing car soon lost the VW engine and gained a supercharged Peugeot.

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The secon pic is of the car (white) with Bob Kingsbury's recently built supercharged Peugeot. It looks like the Sevin also has its Peugeot s/c by the time this pic was taken.

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This ex-brochure shot shows the Tempo Matador chassis complete with VW engine arrangements. The advantage of the Matador rather than VW box was that it had to have a fully independent setup on the gearobx for front-wheel-drive, so Tempo had its own gearbox case and special components.

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#4514 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:03

And I always thought the Tempo Matador engine hung out the front!

Looks like Simca wheels on the front, Terry, just like the wheels on Kingsbury's car. And is there enough triangulation in that frame to call it a 'birdcage'?

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:11

I too immediately thought" Didnt Vin realize the triangle was invented a while back?"

#4516 Terry Walker

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 07:53

Maybe "birds nest" would be better.

The wheels on the rolling chassis are slave wheels. On the finished car, you can see the front wheels are smaller and fatter. The back wheels are probably ex Matador, wider once it was racing.

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 08:36

Correction on the date....24th Ocober 1971 (Sunday Morning)



You were, I'd say, about half-way down the hill. Almost directly below Hillclimb Drive, is that right? That corner is still the same, if I have it right, anyway.

Gee that's a good bit of land the Hills District Car Club has. Could I get a set of the photos from there for the club? I'm sure they'd appreciate them for their website.

I did that rally in 1992 and was fourth fastest on that stage - faster than the ex-Carlos Sainz Celica GT4. In a Gemini!!! Tight and twisty - suited my car better than the Celica.


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#4518 lyntonh

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 11:02

You were, I'd say, about half-way down the hill. Almost directly below Hillclimb Drive, is that right? That corner is still the same, if I have it right, anyway.

Gee that's a good bit of land the Hills District Car Club has. Could I get a set of the photos from there for the club? I'm sure they'd appreciate them for their website.

I did that rally in 1992 and was fourth fastest on that stage - faster than the ex-Carlos Sainz Celica GT4. In a Gemini!!! Tight and twisty - suited my car better than the Celica.


Bruce Moxon


That was the one & only time I've been there, & after a night on the rally waiting for the field to go through for the car
we were servicing to arrive, & then leap-frogging to the next service point, the early morning syndrome had well kicked in by then.

All I remember was that each car did a double loop affair & twice came through the corner we were on.

We then headed off to Victoria Pass if I remember it for a couple more daylight stages.

It was well into Sunday arvo before the tail end was through.

I've got around sixty photos, some repetitive at that spot at Hampton, but some nice photos of the Victoria Pass sections.

I'll start a topic I think & that will contain it for any discussion.

Sometimes I reckon this "Personal Aus 50s 70s" string can become cumbersome, so forming new topics may make the
subjects easier to follow, especially when it's on a fairly well contained theme.

I'll email you a set of the Hampton shots after they're posted & you're welcome to pass them on.



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Posted 20 January 2011 - 11:30

Over on the Allan Moffat topic, earlier today I posted a couple of 1969 shots of AM in the Trans Am at the Farm.

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Modified Touring Car practice on 6th September 1969 at the Farm saw several cars leave the island at Creek,
& although my photos of Moffat were taken after most of these incidents, I may have
simply not photographed him on earlier laps.

Something was making the track slippery enough to explain some of these spins.

Don Smith? (Ray Bell's guess)...lucky to stay out of the fence
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Bob Tweedie
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Bob Lynch & Graham Ryan
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#4520 lyntonh

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 11:38

Over on the Allan Moffat topic, earlier today I posted a couple of 1969 shots of AM in the Trans Am at the Farm.

Bob Tweedie
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Bob Lynch & Graham Ryan
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The misty look to some of these shots is a result of the film not taking up correctly into the tank reel,
& causing partial development, as the two adjacent film surfaces touch. Ah, the perils of home processing!!

The bottom two show distinct sprocket artefacts...not what you'd call prize winners!!

#4521 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 14:01

How about that?

I've got a set of those wheels Ryan is using! Picked them up somewhere, look (by the rust pitting...) as if they might have been on a boat trailer, but they've been sandblasted and painted up real nice.

Yes, WH Motors, I'm pretty sure that was Don Smith... though it doesn't look like him. Bruce Stewart? Time to check it out. *EDIT* checked... it's Don Smith.

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#4522 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 22:06

How about that?

I've got a set of those wheels Ryan is using! Picked them up somewhere, look (by the rust pitting...) as if they might have been on a boat trailer, but they've been sandblasted and painted up real nice.

Yes, WH Motors, I'm pretty sure that was Don Smith... though it doesn't look like him. Bruce Stewart? Time to check it out. *EDIT* checked... it's Don Smith.

Those 'sportswheel' were quite popular in the early 70s but had a bad habit of cracking around the stud holes. On speedway they were effectivly banned as wheels broke and fell off. I had chrome ones on my EH but sold them when I found out about the cracking. Looked good though for the period.


#4523 brucemoxon

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 22:34

Over on the Allan Moffat topic, earlier today I posted a couple of 1969 shots of AM in the Trans Am at the Farm.

http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=4794521

Modified Touring Car practice on 6th September 1969 at the Farm saw several cars leave the island at Creek,
& although my photos of Moffat were taken after most of these incidents, I may have
simply not photographed him on earlier laps.

Something was making the track slippery enough to explain some of these spins.

Don Smith? (Ray Bell's guess)...lucky to stay out of the fence
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Should probably go on the rallying topic! He's just setting up a Scandinavian Flick at Creek is all!



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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:13

The Double V8 Mk2. It was a 2 seater body, possibly 1950.




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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:16

Bill Smallwood MGTA Pingelly 1938.



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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:27

Another one from Pingelly 1940.Harley Hammond Marquette,Allan MacIntosh Bartlett, Clem Dwyer Plymouth.




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#4527 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 07:28

I would say the Double 8 in that guise is an earlier rendition, maybe as early as 1958...

Reason being, it's obvious the wheels haven't been drilled yet.

Nice pics of Pingelly, really nice stuff. Do we know the mechanical detail of the Marquette?

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 07:45

You probably mean 48 Ray it was finished by 58. No i dont have any details of the marquette it seems he only raced about 3 years.

#4529 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:33

Yes, I do mean '48...

Norman sold it in '51, after the AGP at Narrogin. Thanks for the correction.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:39

This is the only photo i have got of this interesting Ford V8 .Claude Lamott Caversham 1951. I dont know much about the car.




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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:28

The Marquette was produced for just one model year, 1930; it was a companion make to the Buick, and sold through Buick dealers, but the engine was a flathead Oldsmobile six. It was apparently quite light and a lively performer. Harley Hammond raced his on wooden spoke wheels! The mind boggles.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:48

The Double V8 Mk2. It was a 2 seater body, possibly 1950.




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It would be interesting to see that stop with 40kilo a corner wheels and tyres. The atypical Army surplus machine.

#4533 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 12:05

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
It would be interesting to see that stop with 40kilo a corner wheels and tyres. The a typical Army surplus machine.


Army surplus is right... Eldred had stacks of Army surplus stuff...

He brought a shipload from New Guinea to Sydney in one deal, then he drove something like 20 or 25 blitzes (probably fully loaded) from Darwin to Adelaide. Six or seven at a time, using A-bars made from saplings.

Those wheels were later lightened, but to see it braking into a corner was still pretty spectacular, I'm told. The spray of water over the front drums instantly turned to steam, so the car would disappear in a cloud pretty soon after the brakes came on.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 14:51

The last man to race the double-V8, Tony Carboni, is still around, though like all of us getting on a bit. The last gasp was putting in a Lincoln Zephyr side-valve V12 to replace the two V8s, but by this time nothing could possibly make the old girl even faintly competitive. Tony abandoned racing and concentrated - very successfully - on business.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 23:01

An interesting lineup Toodyay 1947. 1 Allan MacIntosh ,2 Johnson Oldsmobile ,5 Barker Ballot, Nelson Ford 10 Spec.,3 R.Blowes MG,
Kinlock Oldsmobile, 6 B .Ranford V8 Spec.15 Claude LaMotte Ford,10 Ted Harris Plymouth,12 Wally La Motte Ford.







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#4536 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 23:48

There's much more of Kinlock's car visible in that one than in the one in Terry's book, Ken...

Is it the same pic with a bit of work, or a different pic taken at close to the same time?

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 00:21

I would say it is the same pic Ray i used the book for the car details, the pic i posted may have had some correction.


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Posted 22 January 2011 - 01:15

Another shot of the LaMotte car with Barry Ranford i am not sure where.



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Posted 22 January 2011 - 01:44

I reckon Pingelly is a very good chance...

Background buildings look like those in other pics.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 01:45

Surely that gave birth to the car Johnson drove at Toodyay?

And surely it couldn't look worse!


I doubt it could look worse! Reminds me of one of those "jack built" outdoor dunnies in the back of some country homes......

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 04:25

Pingelly 1939 Jack Nelson Ballot V8 , Allan Tomlinson MG.
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 05:17


Bunbury 1938 Jack Nelson Ballot V8, Sojan Chrystler Silverwings. The photo of La Motte and Ranford was also this meeting.



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Posted 22 January 2011 - 08:05

Couldn't help but notice the mechanic with his hand a 'warmer' and his eyes on the starter. Now where has I seen that more recently...

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 08:35

From the modern era Vin Smith Alpha and Syd Taylor TS Special Albany 1958.



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Posted 26 January 2011 - 20:30

What is known about Syd Taylors TS Special & are there any other photo's of the car?

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 21:09

Plenty a page or two back...

It was built about 1950, used a Chrysler flathead 6 initially, probably a Vauxhall 25hp 4-speed box (according to John Cummins c 1978), the frame was made up of what we would consider to be fairly large square steel tube in a girder fashion.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 22:48

The TS is these days powered by a GMC engine and is very successful in historic racing.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 23:21

Does it still have the Vauxhall gearbox?

I would think it should have retained that when the GMC engine went in. Not much in the way of alternatives that far back, only Jaguar.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 00:34

I will ask Charlie next time i see him.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 01:21

And a rapid and potent piece of work it is these days, in Historics. Charlie drives it well