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#4551 DanTra2858

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 03:06

Thanks to all for the infomation on the TS Special but the car that I was trying to find out more about was the Vin Smith Alpha, the position of the cars to the text led me to ask about the wrong car, details of this car please & is it still active today in Historic Racing.

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#4552 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 03:40

Vin Smith's Alpha, according to Terry Walker's description:

"The Ballot soon gave way to the MG Vauxhall, confected from an MG J2 chassis and a Vauxhall Wyvern engine. Over the years this car evolved into the highly competitive 'Alpha' front-engined single seater, by which time there was nothing left of either MG or Vauxhall. In final form it included VW front suspension, MG brakes, supercharged Peugeot engine, Morris Minor steering and a home-built de Dion rear end using a Willys differential."

Hope that helps. The Peugeot engine was either 203 or 403, presumably the larger.

#4553 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 03:48

Vin Smith's Alpha, according to Terry Walker's description:

"The Ballot soon gave way to the MG Vauxhall, confected from an MG J2 chassis and a Vauxhall Wyvern engine. Over the years this car evolved into the highly competitive 'Alpha' front-engined single seater, by which time there was nothing left of either MG or Vauxhall. In final form it included VW front suspension, MG brakes, supercharged Peugeot engine, Morris Minor steering and a home-built de Dion rear end using a Willys differential."

Hope that helps. The Peugeot engine was either 203 or 403, presumably the larger.

#4554 ken devine

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 05:35

The Alpha had a major change in 1961wher the mechanicals were virtually reversed to make a rear engined car.The entire drive
train was placed at the rear probably utilising the J2 chassis and the driver sitting well foreward,this car was called Vindid ther are
photos a few pages back.Vindid was unfortunatly written of when it crashed at the Byford hillclimb in 1963.
The remains were sold to Dick Ward to build hi openwheeler the Peugeot Elf.I spoke to Dick recently about the car and he said
he used the engine, Gearbox and Wheels but after testing they found the wire wheels were unsuitable.
More about the TS Special when the GMC engine was installed it was fitted with a Chev truck gearbox.

#4555 lyntonh

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:31

Some time back....someone was p-p-p-p-pining for P-P-P-P-Porsches....

Here you go then....

Oran Park 27th June 1970....Jim McKeown, Brian Foley & Bill Brown...
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Moffat, Foley, McKeown, Beechey, Brown...Warwick Farm 12th July 1970
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McKeown, Beechey, Foley
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McKeown, Beechey
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Forget the Minis...look at Bill Brown coming to get them!!
(unsure of the front mini with the busted flare, but I reckon Peter Manton talked him into it!!)
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Jim McKeown...Warwick Farm 2nd November 1970
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Bill Brown...Warwick Farm 2nd November 1970
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Bill Brown...same day...& I reckon, from noticing the full face helmet in my other shots...John Harvey, in Bob Jane's Mustang
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Brian Foley....Warwick Farm...5th September 1970
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#4556 Lola5000

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:35

the Brian Foley Porsche ended up in New Zealand with Jim Palmer.

#4557 lyntonh

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:42

Just forgot to mention....

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Notice the difference between Foley/McKeown & Bill Brown's rear guard profile...

#4558 brucemoxon

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:52

Just forgot to mention....

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Notice the difference between Foley/McKeown & Bill Brown's rear guard profile...



Well, they're all flared, so was there a specified profile for guard extensions? The 911s of that era had quite narrow rear guards, didn't they? But, God, they're a good-looking car. Still.



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#4559 David McKinney

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:24

the Brian Foley Porsche ended up in New Zealand with Jim Palmer.

I don't know if it "ended up" in NZ. Jim Palmer certainly raced it, but for only one season, and I don't remember hearing of it after that. Perhaps it went back to Australia?


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#4560 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 21:23

Just forgot to mention....

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Notice the difference between Foley/McKeown & Bill Brown's rear guard profile...

In those shots the McKeown cad had differnt rear flares from 12/7/70 to the 2/1/70 pics. It think some of the others have changed too

#4561 Lola5000

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 21:42

I don't know if it "ended up" in NZ. Jim Palmer certainly raced it, but for only one season, and I don't remember hearing of it after that. Perhaps it went back to Australia?

Lease deal?
I've never scene it since.

#4562 David McKinney

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 22:32

Possibly

And/or one of those Customs arrangements (Australian or NZ or both) where a car was able to stay in its country of residence only a limited time before money had to be paid to the gummint

#4563 Terry Walker

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 01:08

Temporary importation duty-free.

It's how the F1 circus gets its gear in and out of the country without paying duty on the importation of cars, tyres, and the myriad other bits of stuff involved. Ditto how rock groups, opera troupes, circuses and others get their equipment in and out.



#4564 Paul Hamilton

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:14

Temporary importation duty-free.

It's how the F1 circus gets its gear in and out of the country without paying duty on the importation of cars, tyres, and the myriad other bits of stuff involved. Ditto how rock groups, opera troupes, circuses and others get their equipment in and out.


Not to mention visiting historic racing cars!!! There is a lot more to the organisation of our larger historic meetings than many people would think and we are at times reliant on the generosity of often anonymous people prepared to provide a bond to guarantee payment of the duty if the cars and equipment are not exported within the required period.


#4565 lyntonh

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 00:26

Warwick Farm 5th September 1971
Formula Fords....with several repeats of Larry Perkins being Larry Perkins (& carrying "that" car number before its time).

As far as the rest of the field goes, I'm found wanting, so if you're able to put names to cars & drivers it may be interesting.
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#4566 Wirra

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 01:33

Some colour might help with identification.

Possibly Gary Rush leading Larry Perkins
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Bob Beasley (?) or Len Searle (?)
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Possibly John Leffler, Rush (or Enno Busselmann) and Bob Skelton
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#4567 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 01:55

Searle's car was blue, wasn't it?

And I think Leffo's time was beyond Rush's, so that might be Enno. There's some of those mono pics I certainly would scratch my head about!

#4568 terry mcgrath

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 14:29

the Vin Smith specials have been mentioned in this thread and I note "Sevin" was advertised from a Nollamara number in august 1965 which was about where Vin Lived in the late 70's early 80's

#4569 Terry Walker

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 15:40

Vin's last car, the rear-engined special with the supercharged Peugeot engine, was bought by Norm Scott, and raced as late as 1967 or 1968. I know because I took two photos of it at Caversham about then. Not good photos, but unmistakeably that car - and colour photos too. Norm painted it red, his racing colour. He was a keen Peugeot fan. I have heard that (a) Norm is still around, and (b) he still has the car. Both unconfirmed rumours.

#4570 terry mcgrath

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 00:57

One of the major sources of info regarding Western Australian motor racing is "The Visor" it ran from july 1950 through to the Sept 1971 it seems to have then restarted temporarily in April 1972 as vol 19-1 and stopped again with the july-August 1972 issue.
Apart from half a dozen copies c july 1951 through to nov 1953 (which are missing from State library collection and other sets and therfore may not exist) I have the rest with the exception of 2 issues sept 65 and dec 65 both of which I have photocopies.
I have a large number of spares from 1950 on and would be very interested in getting originals of sept 65 and dec 65 and happy to swap several copies for each or pay sizeable amount for riginals.
If anyone has early 50's copies pre dec 1953 I would be keen to swap details on issue dates and volumes as I would post sept 1971 to see what issues exist past this date
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#4571 KarlLeFong

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:16

Possibly

And/or one of those Customs arrangements (Australian or NZ or both) where a car was able to stay in its country of residence only a limited time before money had to be paid to the gummint


The Miller Special and the Sabakat spring to mind , not to mention the second Jolly Lotus XV....I do like a Penfolds

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#4572 David McKinney

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 12:29

I don't recall either of the first two leaving Australia, but then they weren't imports, were they? They were Australian specials :)

#4573 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 19:59

Stan is talking about dodges, I suspect, David...

One of the ruses to cut the amount of money the Customs people might collect was indeed to have the car in the country for a short time. Then, in the case of a car brought into Australia for instance, send it to New Zealand for a foray at a couple of events, then re-import it to Australia. Sometimes a car would change hands in this interval, with both countries' tax laws being worked to the full.

An example of this, I'd suggest, would have been the David McKay 250LM, while I know it was a common practice in the F5000 era.

#4574 john medley

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 20:42

A friend of mine took his Bugatti on a rally in New Zealand, and left it there for a year for a serious refurbishment in the South Island at ***** *****. The Bugatti looked and was a different car. He and I then went to the wharves in Sydney to get it through customs. He was in a stste of stark terror because he was doing something a bit dodgy, I was in my usual state of blissfull unawareness , most of all when he suggested I get it started and drive it out of the big shed while he was telling fibs to the customs man. The car was so changed that I couldnt find the starter button let alone the (new) cutout switch or the battery. In my state of blissfull unawareness I asked him (while he was deep in paper and discussion with the customs man) where these important items were -- but even he couldnt find them, perspiring seriously. We pushed the car out.
We escaped. I think the customs man pretended not to notice.

#4575 Wirra

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 21:11

It is interesting how those sharp (some might say unethical) practices have come to haunt many owners when they try to establish the provenance of their car in today’s over-valued historic race car market.

‘Oh what a tangled web we weave…’

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#4576 lyntonh

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 05:16

Sports Cars at Creek Corner Warwick Farm RAC Trophy meeting 2nd May 1971.
Some experiments with low shutter speed....

Don O'Sullivan Matich SR3
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John Harvey ? & Michael Raffen Sprite
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Ray Kaleda Lotus 7 & ? (with an interesting device below the nose)
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Alan Hamilton Porsche ? (maybe this opens up the thread "Alan Hamilton Porsche 908 in Australia" which petered out in 2005?)
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#4577 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 06:28

I can't pick the nose of that clubman with the 'bib' spoiler...

But the car in the second pic is a Manx, and the name Geoff Buckingham crosses my mind. Not sure, but I think so.

#4578 Stephen W

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 09:47

Alan Hamilton Porsche ? (maybe this opens up the thread "Alan Hamilton Porsche 908 in Australia" which petered out in 2005?)
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A spyder version of a Porsche 906 I believe.

#4579 lyntonh

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:15

A spyder version of a Porsche 906 I believe.



I believe you're right....my comment about the old thread was made because the photos
referred to in the posts in that discussion are either dead or hard to find, making confirmation of my
caption difficult!!

Perhaps I should have kept all those programmes.


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#4580 David McKinney

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:57

Built up with the body-panels of an ex-works Bergspyder, ISTR

#4581 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 21:23

I wouldn't be surprised if the rear end was all made in Melbourne...

Hamilton did have a 908 at his place, but he never raced it. There was a 917 there as well.

#4582 john medley

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 23:55

My guess for the car with the bib spoiler bravely next to Ray Kaleda is the original Welsor

#4583 BT 35-8

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:02

Alan Hamilton's Porsche is listed in programme as 906P , 2400cc.

# 15 is George Parkinson in the Manx Daimler V8 of 2495cc

Bryan Miller.

#4584 lyntonh

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:12

My guess for the car with the bib spoiler bravely next to Ray Kaleda is the original Welsor


Ron Kearns Welsor Oran Park 27th June 1971
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#4585 lyntonh

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:18

Alan Hamilton's Porsche is listed in programme as 906P , 2400cc

Bryan Miller.


New paint scheme, new helmet, revised wheel arches, slits in front guards,
different air intake details, air dam etc
Warwick Farm Northern Crossing 30th April 1972
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#4586 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:20

Originally posted by BT 35-8
.....# 15 is George Parkinson in the Manx Daimler V8 of 2495cc


Thanks Bryan, I knew I was struggling to remember the right name...

It was blue, went to Terry Gallery later, didn't it?

#4587 lyntonh

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:22

Oran Park 27th June 1971
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Any ideas?


#4588 chequer57

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:56

Oran Park 27th June 1971
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Any ideas?

John Campbell - Centaur


#4589 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 02:07

Originally posted by chequer57
John Campbell - Centaur


...on a rare visit from Queensland.

#4590 lyntonh

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 02:27

...on a rare visit from Queensland.



That was quick...thanks.


What were the aero trims on the nose likely to achieve?

#4591 eldougo

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:51

It was trying to direct the air over the car, but the Mirror,s and Bell got in the way my guess.However it looks fast.... :p

Edited by eldougo, 09 February 2011 - 05:54.


#4592 Towil

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:03

Built up with the body-panels of an ex-works Bergspyder, ISTR


ex TF Bergspyder was ADH mount for 67 but with Carrera 6 powertrain (he figured 2L v8 would be expensive to maintain). Later became Bingham Cobra.
Replaced with spare part 906 chassis, mech transferred from Kangahroo. Sold to Asia. Now for sale.
This pic tough is second 906 chassis for ADH, also bought as unused spare part from factory.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 23:19

Sports Cars at Creek Corner Warwick Farm RAC Trophy meeting 2nd May 1971.
Some experiments with low shutter speed....

Don O'Sullivan Matich SR3
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Looks like Howie Sangster driving......
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 09:35

Some time back....someone was p-p-p-p-pining for P-P-P-P-Porsches....

Here you go then....

Oran Park 27th June 1970....Jim McKeown, Brian Foley & Bill Brown...
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Moffat, Foley, McKeown, Beechey, Brown...Warwick Farm 12th July 1970
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McKeown, Beechey, Foley
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McKeown, Beechey
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Forget the Minis...look at Bill Brown coming to get them!!
(unsure of the front mini with the busted flare, but I reckon Peter Manton talked him into it!!)
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Jim McKeown...Warwick Farm 2nd November 1970
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Bill Brown...Warwick Farm 2nd November 1970
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Bill Brown...same day...& I reckon, from noticing the full face helmet in my other shots...John Harvey, in Bob Jane's Mustang
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Brian Foley....Warwick Farm...5th September 1970
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Thanks Lynton it was me!! Fantastic stuff thank you very much!

Out of interest Bill Brown's car was a factory prepared car (known as an 911ST or S/T) whereas the McKeown and Foley cars were built up using trick bits supplied by Alan Hamilton. This explains the difference in flare profile on the wheel arches.

For those from WA Ray Thackwells Orange 911 (sold to Leo Stubber) was also factory prepared but landed in Oz (was hijacked on its way to NZ!) as a narrow bodied car.

Lots of info on these special cars here - http://www.early911s...hlight=ultimate

More racing Porsche photos please guys!

#4595 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 09:58

And let's not forget that a fibreglass mold was taken off Stubber's car... or parts of it... so that Gordon Mitchell could put a wreck back together to race.

At least it got him out of the Sprite into something more deserving of his talent...

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 23:41

Thanks Ray

Do you know what year Gordons car was? I believe its a '69?

Any idea of what became of it?

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 23:45

Also Cavvy (Paul) are you out there?

I replied to your PM but never heard back.......

Cheers

#4598 ken devine

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Posted 12 February 2011 - 03:52

I put the photo of the Thackwell/Stubber Porsche under Sports sedans instead of this thread.

#4599 ken devine

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:50

John Walker MGTC,Vin Smith MGJ2 Special. These cars later became the Byfield MG and Alpha.



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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:57

Fred Coxan Ford A Special leads Vin Smith MGJ2 Special. Coxons car to be Holden powered later.



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