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#4801 cooper997

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 10:29

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An early-'60s Lowood grid. It looks like a combined sports and racing car race... again, identification would be very interesting.


I've been battling trying to identify this photo. But I think I've at least got it down it being the June 12th, 1960 Lowood Australian Grand Prix meeting. It's not the grid for the AGP, but Davison's Aston Martin DBR4 and Stan Jones Maybach Corvette are there.

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#4802 David McKinney

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 11:27

There was a 3-lap warm-up race, in which Davison, Stillwell and Mildren all started - the front row?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 11:47

While you're battling away there, here's a couple more from my extension to this collection:

Could this be the Geoghegan Mini? It shows up in an earlier group photo:

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And the Pitt and Geoghegan Jaguars, I believe, with Muir and McPhee in pursuit, and maybe the red car is Des West rather than Volkers?:

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Finally, the reason Brian Michelmore was so impressed with these pics...

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This is the engine bay of his Zephyr the first day he raced it. He explains that the chromed pipe is the fuel line, huge because they had a lot of trouble keeping the fuel up to it on the straight. But more than that, Brian simply couldn't believe that for all these years someone - unknown to him, unbeknown to him - had kept a photo of the engine of his car.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 12:48

It's getting late, so very quick response to the rolled FE on the bottom of page 120. It's David Jeremiah's effort at the May 14th, 1961 Lakeside meeting. It wasn't going to 'buff out'!!

I suspect other photos also relate to this meeting, but need to sleep to get to work early in the morning.

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#4805 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:13

Originally posted by David McKinney
There was a 3-lap warm-up race, in which Davison, Stillwell and Mildren all started - the front row?


Is the Sabakat there among them?

It's quite possible, too, that the Scott Cooper pic is from this meeting. Latest road car in that pic is the FB Holden wagon... a current model that year.

And I have a theory about the touring car mixtures at Lakeside mentioned earlier. It's possible that a main race was preceded by a series of heats with small numbers in them. Going over the various photos we can see that this is a possibility.

Meanwhile, another pic from the collection, certainly not from the '63 International:

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Brabham coming down past Sid's VIP room.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:26

Not much racing visible, but an interesting mix of cars in the pits...

Lakeside yet again, I guess the photograph related to the helicopter, but the AP1 Chrysler Royal is the most obvious thing in the foreground, with a lot of Holdens showing and the inevitable marquees that used to dot the hillside that was the paddock area:

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Some Jags visible in this one, but notable is the Rice trailer from the Geoghegan team with its mid-fifties De Soto or Dodge or Plymouth tow car, I would think this is a '62 or '63 meeting.

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Finally, another shot of Lionel Ayers in the pit area at Lowood in the Lotus 20:

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Whose Lotus is that in the background?

Edited by Ray Bell, 16 March 2011 - 15:27.


#4807 David McKinney

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 16:35

Is the Sabakat there among them?

I don't see it, Ray, but it should be there, en route to its death and destruction...


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Posted 16 March 2011 - 17:29

There were two pre-GP heats, David...

The Sabakat crashed in the same heat as the three you mentioned. And Mildren can't have been in the second, though Davison etc could have been. Maybe David Shaw can tell us more from any SCW report he might have?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 23:22

Rice trailers always a favourite,I met him in the late 60s as an older man whom my father bought a fantastic Gurney Nutting body Rolls Royce Phantom 3 V12 of.
That means little till one thinks of who built the bodies for on the pre war Bluebirds,and that was Gurney Nutting.As we all know the Rice trailers were are the best looking trailers of there period.
From memory he live in Carnegie in Melbourne in a Edwardian period home.At the time he needed to sell the Rolls Royce motor car.

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 23:39

There were two pre-GP heats, David...

One 3-lap Division I race, one Division II
I don't know by what definition they would be heats: not all the top men bothered with the Division I race

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 06:16

The more photos appear, the more meetings are appearing too.

The black #1 Mini is indeed the Geoghegan 850 at the July 16th, 1961 Lakeside meeting.

The #1 Cooper with Jack aboard is from the February 9th, 10th, 11th, 1962 Lakeside International meeting. Whether it's from his 15 lap heat or the 30 lap final is anyone's guess. Either way he won both.

I'm suggesting it's Tom Sulman's #99 Lotus sitting in the background of the Lionel Ayers Lotus cruising through the pits shot. Still the 1963 ATT meeting.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 07:21

And I believe this Lakeside race start shows Ron Hodgson leading a couple of Holdens, a Mini and a Customline. All from before my time, but I think the red Holden might be Max Volkers... any takers?

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Purely guesswork now, this seems to me most likely Bill Pitt leading Hoddo, Brian Muir and Ian Geoghegan out of Lakeside's Karrussell:

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To get this on the current page, the top photo is from the July 16th, 1961 Lakeside meeting 'Senior Touring Car Scratch Race'. Hodgson Jaguar, Volkers red Holden (rebuilt after his roll at the previous Lakeside), Brian Muir in Sib Petralia's ochre yellow Holden, Leo Geoghegan 850 & (?? christian name) Keller's Cusso. Hodgson won this race. This was the meeting Bill Patterson trashed his first T51 Cooper. So one wonders if there's any photos of this likely to appear.

The lower photo is as Ray describes, but the May 14th, 1961 Lakeside 'Touring Car Scratch Race' won by Ian Geoghegan.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 13:11

Not much racing visible, but an interesting mix of cars in the pits...

Lakeside yet again, I guess the photograph related to the helicopter, but the AP1 Chrysler Royal is the most obvious thing in the foreground, with a lot of Holdens showing and the inevitable marquees that used to dot the hillside that was the paddock area:

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I'm going for this being the 1962 Lakeside International again. #11 (bonnet up) looks like a Morris Major. 'A Shaw' was entrant #11 in one, that year. Then next to the red Holden panel van under the marquee is John French's Centuar Waggott, I suspect.

The other photo with the Geoghegan trailer is probably the same meeting (they both have the same 'feel' to them). It's the Pitt Jaguar (silver wheels), not Geoghegan's (black wheels).

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 15:22

You've got all the pics I've seen now, Stephen...

Not Kurt Keller, surely? I couldn't imagine him racing a Customline.

And you've got to be right about the Centaur Waggott, I hadn't spotted that one!

David, they were often called 'heats' while they had no significance in relation to the main event. It was the same for the ATT in '65, which was indeed a fortnight earlier than I'd remembered.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 02:46

Ray,

Wouldn't it be great to find the original source of these photos. Did Twinny receive them from the original source? He mentions Paul AKA 'pppdrive' from the bike sub-forum. There must be a lot more, given the number of events we've come up with so far. Or can they be backtracked through the emails?

Now that you mention Kurt Keller it rings a bell. But the description I found that just mentions "... new driver Keller in the Ford Customline..." wasn't allowing the grey matter to work that one out (didn't help it was a late either). I've know looked a little further and sure enough "K Keller Ford Customline 22" is listed in the Lakeside 1962 International programme. So it looks a bit like he started in the Cusso.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 04:40

All I know is that someone e.mailed the pics to Brian Michelmore...

I could possibly find out who did that, but that still might not lead to the source. Twinny has picked them up here, on the forum, from someone who's seen the oft-onforwarded e.mail.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:26

That's a Hiller helicopter in the snap, Capitol Motors were the importers. Was Arnold Glass at that meeting? It's likely he arrived in a Hiller rather than a Datsun.

Edited by DJH, 18 March 2011 - 23:07.


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Posted 21 March 2011 - 11:39

That's a Hiller helicopter in the snap, Capitol Motors were the importers. Was Arnold Glass at that meeting? It's likely he arrived in a Hiller rather than a Datsun.


DJH,

Sorry for the slow response just went looking for this thread and saw your post.

Yes Arnold Glass was present with the #7 BRM at the February 1962 Lakeside International. So your info helps pinpoint the photo with the Helicopter, John French Centaur & #11 Morris Major to be that meeting.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 22:08

A very knowledgeable source, who has asked to remain nameless, has looked at the recent batch of photos and has come up with the following ID's



1. Lowood, 9 June 1963, mechanic Bruce Burr tends to Greg Cusack’s Elfin Mallala.

2. Lakeside, 1962-3, Frank Matich, Lotus 19 (Total Team).

3. Neptune Team (Norm Beechey, Jim McKeown, Peter Manton) en-route to Lakeside, 1965.

4. Lakeside, 17 February 1963, Geoff McClelland, Brabham BT2 (ex-Gavin Youl). #64 is Adrian Yannuccelli’s MGA.

5. Lakeside, 16 February 1963, #10 Bruce McLaren, Cooper Climax, #12 Jim Palmer, Cooper Climax, while #1 is the Ferguson Climax of World Champion Graham Hill behind Holden FC Station Wagon tow car – logistics were so much simpler then!

6. Lowood, 9 June 1963, Arnold Glass, BRM-Buick.

7. Lowood, 9 June 1963, Ian Geoghegan, Total Team Lotus 23 (winner of the Australian Tourist Trophy that day).

8. Lowood, 9 June 1963, Lionel Ayers, Lotus 20, #66 Ern Tadgell, Lynx Ford, #39 John Joyce, Koala Ford.

9. Lowood, 12 June 1960, heat of the Australian Grand Prix, green car on front row is Lex Davison, Aston Martin, blue car on second row is Stan Jones, Maybach III.

10. Lakeside, 26 November 1961, #2 Brian Muir, Holden, #36, W S Williams, Renauilt 750, #52 J Hicks, Holden.

11. Lakeside, 16 July, 1961, Leo Geoghegan, Morris 850.

12. Lakeside, 10 February 1962, Ian Geoghegan, Jaguan 3.4, Bill Pitt, Jaguar 3.4, Brian Muir, Holden, Bruce McPhee, Holden, Max Volkers,Holden.

13. Lakeside,11 February 1962. John French’s Centaur Waggott is just visible in one of the tents, #11 (white car with bonnet up) is A Shaw’s Morris Major.

14. Lakeside, 26 November 1961.

15. Surfers Paradise, 5 January 1969, start of 12-hour production car race (won by Bill Gates/Jim Bertram, Ford Falcon GT).

16. Lakeside, 16 July 1961, Ron Hodgson, Jaguar 3.8, Max Volkers, Holden, Brian Muir, Holden, Leo Geoghegan (Morris 850), Pat Keller (Ford Customline).

17. Surfers Paradise, 5 January 1969, line-up for Le Mans start of 12-hour production car race.

18. Surfers Paradise, 1966-8, Ferrari 250 LM (probably Scuderia Veloce, but two others ran during that period – David Piper and Paul Hawkins).

19. Lowood, 3 September 1961, Bob Jane, Maserati 300S.

20. Surfers Paradise, 1966-8, Ferrari 250 LM (as above).

21. Lakeside, 20 February 1966, Jim Clark, Lotus 39 Climax.

22. Lakeside, 20 February 1966, Graham Hill, BRM, Spencer Martin, Repco Brabham Climax.

23. Lakeside, 14 November 1965, Ken Miles, Cobra.

24. Lowood, 11 June 1961, Len Deaton, Cooper Ford.

25. Lakeside, 14 November 1965, Ken Miles, Cobra, about to pass Glynn Scott, Lotus 15.

26. Lakeside, 23 February 1964, John Youl, Cooper Climax.

27. Lakeside, probably 1961 (possibly 26 November).

28. Lowood, 1963, Bill Gates, Elfin Clubman, Peter Kinnane, Austin Healey Sprite.

29. Lowood, 1961, Des Kelly, Ferrari Super Squalo.

30. Lakeside, 14 May, 1961, Bill Pitt, Jaguar 3.4, Ron Hodgson, Jaguar 3.8, Brian Muir, Holden, Ian Geoghegan, Jaguar 3.4.

31. Surfers Paradise, 5 January 1969, 12-hour production car race.

32. Lowood, 1960, John Caines, Ausca (ex-Paul England).

33. Lakeside, 14 May 1961, David Jeremiah, Holden.

34. Lowood, 9 June 1963, Lionel Ayers, Lotus 20. #99 Tom Sulman, Lotus 11.

35. Brian Michelmore’s Ford Zephyr.

36. Lakeside, 11 February 1962, Jack Brabham, Cooper Climax.

37. Lowood, 1961, Bruce Coventry, Lotus 18.

38. Lowood, 1961, Glynn Scott, Cooper Climax.







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#4820 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 17:39

Originally posted by ed holly
A very knowledgeable source, who has asked to remain nameless.....

18. Surfers Paradise, 1966-8, Ferrari 250 LM (probably Scuderia Veloce, but two others ran during that period – David Piper and Paul Hawkins).


Ed, thanks to your 'very knowledgeable source' for backing up the previous identifications, I don't think he contradicts any made earlier, but he certainly confirms a couple of question marks and adds a little information.

However, there is no question that the 250LM is the Scuderia Veloce car. The colour of that car was much lighter and pinker than the Jackie Epstein/Paul Hawkins car of 1966, the only other 250LM ever to run there. The David Piper Ferrari was a P3.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 07:53

I wonder who can tell us what this Ausca-looking car is?

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There is a slight contradiction in the list Ed has posted on behalf of someone else, #32 is listed as "Lowood, 1960, John Caines, Ausca (ex-Paul England)."

My ID from post 4798 - "The #22 Ausca is Denis Geary's as entered at the June 11th, 1961 Lowood Queensland Road Racing Championship meeting."

It's the ex England car shown in Caines GT roofed format, but I still consider it to be run by Denis when this photo was snapped. A bit further investigation reveals it's not the June 11th 1961 Lowood. Because Denis last ran it at Lowood's April 16th 1961 meeting as a GT. It then went through a major transformation with the roof removed and a fairing added to make it a sports car again. Plus a colour change to white. All before Lakeside's May 14th, 1961 meeting.

This car is now owned by Ian McDonald.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 03:43

Some more... this time via Bob Trevan:

A rare shot of Norm Meller:

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I would dearly love to know what meeting this is:

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Can you help with that, Stephen? It seems to be the Saturday, not many cars around. But still there is variety... from right to left, Zephyr Mk 2, Vauxhall Cresta, Vanguard (or Mk 1 Zephyr/Consul), Wolseley 4/44 (or 6/90?), '58 Customline (?), FB Holden wagon, two 40hp VWs and a 36hp, Morris Minor convertible customised with low-light and high light grille and guards, Prefect (is this the ute from the earlier pic?), Morris Minor utility, Simca Aronde, Falcon XL (?) wagon, looks like a Rover next, an EK Holden and I'm torn between A30 and Morris Oxford Series II for the final one.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 06:34

You're seeing cars I can't, Ray :lol:

Might the top pic be at the 1963 international again? No.12 Palmer's Bowmaker Cooper, possibly a Lola alongside, and maybe one of the more distant red cars is Amon's Cooper. Possibly grouped for practice? Or were there heats that year?

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 07:25

You're seeing cars I can't, Ray :lol:

Might the top pic be at the 1963 international again? No.12 Palmer's Bowmaker Cooper, possibly a Lola alongside, and maybe one of the more distant red cars is Amon's Cooper. Possibly grouped for practice? Or were there heats that year?

I think you are right about it being the 1963 International.

By the grid I have, it would be:
16. Nolan 77. Gardner 20. Scott
5. McKay 19. Cusack
The obscured car would be the Ferguson, with 12. Palmer

Am I looking at the grid wrong, or is it a 2x2 for the first 6 rows, and then 3x2 from there?

#4825 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 07:53

You obviously didn't know Norm, David...

I would have thought it was the '63 grid, but maybe it is cars lined up for practice, which wasn't a practice at Lakeside. The cars do seem to be roughly in what I would expect to be grid order...

The most distant, ie. closest to the front, could be Davison or Amon, then there is Matich in the Elfin, Palmer, is it the Ferguson or Geoghegan next? Another Elfin then David McKay, then the back row is Scott on the right, a Brabham (Gardner? McClelland?) and another Lotus 20.

While we're sussing that out, how about this one?

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I'd like to know whether this is practice day or race day. I rather think it's race day, judging by the numbers of people around.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 08:02

The top photo is indeed the rear of the February 17th, 1963 Lakeside International grid. Just before the drizzle, that turned into a tropical rainstorm. The two other visible are Chris Amon's Cooper in grid postion 6 and Frank Matich Elfin in position 8. This was the meeting John Youl sat on position 2 next to Bruce McLaren. So perhaps Geoff Smedley might be able to give us some recollections.

The second photo of the #29 Hillman is probably John Gillmeister's. Which meeting, requires a bit more effort to solve though.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 08:13

#4 is Frank Gardner at what would be the February 20th, 1966 Australian GP meeting at Lakeside. Between the crowd, the gorgeous Alfa Romeo GTA is in the background.

Stephen

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 09:22

Yes, that's not a problem knowing that, Stephen... that was the only meeting at Lakeside Gardner drove that car (as it was for the whole series)...

But is it practice day before he fixed the brakes, or race day after he worked it out?

And while you're picking cars in the background, you can just see the tail of Bartlett's 1500cc Brabham behind Frank's car.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 09:50

Some more... this time via Bob Trevan:

A rare shot of Norm Meller:

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I would dearly love to know what meeting this is:

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Can you help with that, Stephen? It seems to be the Saturday, not many cars around. But still there is variety... from right to left, Zephyr Mk 2, Vauxhall Cresta, Vanguard (or Mk 1 Zephyr/Consul), Wolseley 4/44 (or 6/90?), '58 Customline (?), FB Holden wagon, two 40hp VWs and a 36hp, Morris Minor convertible customised with low-light and high light grille and guards, Prefect (is this the ute from the earlier pic?), Morris Minor utility, Simca Aronde, Falcon XL (?) wagon, looks like a Rover next, an EK Holden and I'm torn between A30 and Morris Oxford Series II for the final one.

Now I wonder why noone has raced a Hillman in Gp N!! Low powered, poor handling and seemingly either weak stub axles or weak wheel centres. Does anyone make an R spec tyre for 475x16? Or any tyre for about a 4 1/2 rim, with the extra inch included.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:41

Interesting, Lee...

Paul Bolton tossed a number of front wheels, which tore their centres out IIRC, when he was racing a Minx of about 1959 vintage. I recall that a Super Minx broke a ball joint (or something similar) at Bathurst one year, and I know I saw one of this model somewhere at some time with the wheel lying flat on the road and something broken in the region of the top wishbone.

Then again, I don't think Andy Roberts had any problems whatever with his Californian.

Another pic, just for laughs:

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September 1965... Pete Geoghegan has just won the Queensland tintop title at Lakeside and £700, a handsome prize at that time. That would be him with the ribbon round his neck, not nearly as good a shot as that of Norm Meller, but it does show the crowd hung around for presentations those days.

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:57

You obviously didn't know Norm, David...


Seeing as I was 26 days old when the photo was taken, that's a reasonable assumption. :)

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 11:35

Sorry, David, I didn't even see your post in there...

I'd refreshed the page after David McKinney's post and then gone away, came back and saw what he wrote and that was addressed to him.

Just to satisfy everyone regarding Norm Meller, here's a close-up:

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And of further interest, it is the Ferguson there:

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The grid, by the way, should have been 3 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 3 all the way, David.

Edited by Ray Bell, 29 March 2011 - 19:59.


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Posted 29 March 2011 - 11:57

The 1963 Lakeside International was 15 cars, 2 cars per row. Until the back row, where Glyn Scott was brought forward to line up on the outside of Gardner and thus making it 3 cars across.

Row 1 - McLaren, Youl.
Row 2 - Surtees, Maggs.
Row 3 - Stillwell, Amon.
Row 4 - Shelly, Matich.
Row 5 - Hill, Palmer.
Row 6 - McKay, Cusack.
Row 7 - Nolan, Gardner, Scott.

Stephen

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 04:38

Ah, of course Stephen, that makes sense now. Handy photo that, it gives me all the car numbers I was missing from the starters.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 05:07

[quote name='Ray Bell' date='Mar 29 2011, 19:41' post='4928654']
That is Norm Beechey being interviewed ,however he is not in in his race suit ,just to the right of Pete with the purple sash around him.


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#4836 David Shaw

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 07:09

But he has the Nova beside him.


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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:53

What race suit? That's what Norm wore while racing in the era. The three Neptune Team drivers all dressed like they pumped gas at the local Neptune station, dark blue short sleeve shirt and trousers. That was the Neptune race suit in '65. I recall seeing Norm step from the Mustang at Creek Corner during Sat. arvo practice, after blowing a front tyre he'd locked up under brakes, and was surprised to see he was wearing a Neptune neck tie. He explained he'd just arrived by plane from Melbourne, was late for practice and hadn't thought to remove it in the rush.
I think John Harvey was the first guy to wear a proper Nomex racesuit in tin tops, he'd brought it with him from Sydney Showground Speedway.

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#4838 GD66

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 09:39

If it's Neptune Racing Team wouldn't it be the Mustang ?

#4839 cooper997

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 10:44

The Lakeside photo with Geoghegan and the Neptune team is the May 1st, 1966 meeting. The first round of the $15,000 Eagers Gold Medal Series.

If you look through the windscreen of the Mustang you can spot '3' on Beechey's Nova II - so it makes it the May meeting. If it was the August 7th, 1966 meeting the Nova would be #4.

If it was the previously mentioned September 12th, 1965 meeting Beechey would have been in the Mustang. Come May 1st, 1966 the car was there, but Bryan Thomson was driving.

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#4840 David Shaw

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 11:05

The Lakeside photo with Geoghegan and the Neptune team is the May 1st, 1966 meeting. The first round of the $15,000 Eagers Gold Medal Series.

If you look through the windscreen of the Mustang you can spot '3' on Beechey's Nova II - so it makes it the May meeting. If it was the August 7th, 1966 meeting the Nova would be #4.

If it was the previously mentioned September 12th, 1965 meeting Beechey would have been in the Mustang. Come May 1st, 1966 the car was there, but Bryan Thomson was driving.

Stephen

Good work Stephen, although it took me a while as all I could see through the windscreen was Pete's not insubstantial bum.


#4841 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 12:36

Originally posted by GD66
If it's Neptune Racing Team wouldn't it be the Mustang?


I thought it was, but they boys have pointed out that I was wrong...

Neptune colours were on three cars of Norms... actually, four if you count his old Holden...

He had the S4 as part of the Neptune Team, then the Mustang and then the Chevy II. Neptune was unravelled while the Chevy II was racing and they went to Shell colours... Shell owned Neptune anyway... and they called them the 'Shell Tridents'.

Time to redeem myself with another pic:

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That's Claude, but I don't really think he's amazed in this one.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 19:37

That's Claude, but I don't really think he's amazed in this one.
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I wonder how many people understand the relevance of this statement,

Edited by wagons46, 31 March 2011 - 21:41.


#4843 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 21:22

What race suit? That's what Norm wore while racing in the era. The three Neptune Team drivers all dressed like they pumped gas at the local Neptune station, dark blue short sleeve shirt and trousers. That was the Neptune race suit in '65. I recall seeing Norm step from the Mustang at Creek Corner during Sat. arvo practice, after blowing a front tyre he'd locked up under brakes, and was surprised to see he was wearing a Neptune neck tie. He explained he'd just arrived by plane from Melbourne, was late for practice and hadn't thought to remove it in the rush.
I think John Harvey was the first guy to wear a proper Nomex racesuit in tin tops, he'd brought it with him from Sydney Showground Speedway.

Is Pete wearing a driving suit, i think it is just a long sleeved shirt.
Speedway was more advanced in driver apprel, though not compulsory most drivers wore something better than short sleeves.
Though I have a mid 60s shot of a local speedcar competitor having a big ride in shorts and a shortsleeved shirt. He is still around and I asked him recently why and he said he left his suit at home and it was a hot night anyway!! Though that gravel did sting a lot!!
Another period competitor was the last to be forced into a full face helmet in the 90s. God his chin must have been tough! More so on clay tracks.

#4844 Ray Bell

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 21:54

In 1965, the Geoghegan brothers drove a Cortina GT500 at Bathurst wearing suits... well, maybe they took their jackets off...

They had some sponsorship from McDowell's, the retailer, who had a bloke named Hans Tiepermann doing their promotional work.. It was still a year or two before fireproof gear became mandatory.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 22:14

One of the things that I like about TNF, is that it jogs my memory.

Aub Revell would pick me up on the way to the Formula Vee Assn. meetings - late '60s, and we would chat about racing etc.

One time the discussion was about helmets. Aub told me that when helmets were required for speedway, his brother, Ray, came home and went through the kitchen cupboards. He found a pudding basin that fitted his head, attached a strap, and that was his helmet! :rotfl:

#4846 DJH

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 22:46

If it's Neptune Racing Team wouldn't it be the Mustang ?



Not necessarily


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#4847 ellrosso

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 22:48

Cracking story Greg, good old Aussie ingenuity at its best!

#4848 cooper997

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:54

Good work Stephen, although it took me a while as all I could see through the windscreen was Pete's not insubstantial bum.


David,

When I was typing up the response to the May 1st Lakeside photo I was choosing my reference point for where to view '3' carefully. Political correctness and all that...

Stephen

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 09:25

Norm Driving gear...

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#4850 Wilyman

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 09:52

"Raisin" suits were at one time two piece. I think Norm is wearing one in the bottom advertisement. They seemed to be comfortable for the more robust driver.

"Claude Was Amazed". Yes as a three score and ten enthusiast I remember the Neptune ads. A biit of a catch cry also among my mates.