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[Andrew Kitson]

There have been some bold liveries over the years - the BMW or Mercedes DTM 'art' cars for example
with the internals painted on the bodywork and the Jordan B&H F1 cars. The new F1 Honda design should turn heads / raise eyebrows. Any others that spring to mind?
http://img178.images...ara107hiuf3.jpg
Try painting that one as a model Barry!

[macoran]

The Brundle Ligier JS39 Japanese GP 1993 springs to mind, livery artist Hugo Pratt IMSMR



2004 BAR 006 Brazilian GP practice



2004 BAR 006 Italian GP practice A.Davidson



2004 China

[Andrew Kitson]

The new Honda does look great from the side view though.
http://www.hondaraci...php?section=108

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
The new Honda does look great from the side view though.
http://www.hondaraci...php?section=108

Eye test for Mr Kitson or has irony once again infested The Nostalgia Forum?

[bradbury west]

Perhaps it is an age/generational thing, having elegant cars with delicate simplicity of lines to look at in my formative years, but the modern f1 cars are invariably so hideously unattractive and aesthetically unappealing that no paint seems to make them look good IMHO, although I did like the early Jordans.

Roger Lund

[ensign14]

Originally posted by bradbury west
Perhaps it is an age/generational thing, having elegant cars with delicate simplicity of lines to look at in my formative years, but the modern f1 cars are invariably so hideously unattractive and aesthetically unappealing that no paint seems to make them look good IMHO, although I did like the early Jordans.

Honda's black test livery looked sweet and so did the Ferrari plain red at Monza '01. Graphic designers have lost the art of simplicity. Even plain ol' BRG (the colour, not the missing poster) could be livened by careful trim a la Gilby. I quite like the Honda scheme in the arty shots.

[Arjan de Roos]

At Retromobile I saw the Herve Poulain book: "Mes pop cars". It deals with all the Le Mans Art Cars he was involved with.

[Bonde]

Yes, it's sad, isn't it, Roger.

Each little carbon fibre trinket on a modern F1 car is intself a work of art IMO - yet when all the trinkets are combined, the overall impression is one of deliberate uglyness. I havn't cared to look for this year's McLaren, but last year's was definitely one of the ugliest racing cars ever produced, IMO - some grotesque, mutated monster from 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. The wannabe polished aluminium bodywork didn't help either - just made the whole thing even more messy to look at. Polished aluminium needs simple elegance of line to work - and, of course, aluminium bodywork - not oven-baked black plastic.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by Stephen W


Eye test for Mr Kitson

Just booked one Stephen following your advice.

[f1steveuk]

Is the Honda going to race like that? All year?

We showed pictures of current cars to thier drivers in Suzuka one year, after all the pictures of the cars had been "paintshopped" black. Not one could identify his own car!! Current colour schemes are hideous!!

[jcbc3]

Originally posted by macoran ...

I vote for the Ligier. The BAR was just a redo of the '93 Williams.

[Wolf]

Andrew- don't give Barry funny ideas: he might try to paint a model of new Renault and I fear might end up cross-eyed or suffer eye nerve damage... Abominable livery on that one, even by today's standards.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by jcbc3


I vote for the Ligier. The BAR was just a redo of the '93 Williams.

And that was just a re-do of Alan Raine's 1979 FF1600 PRS.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson


And that was just a re-do of Alan Raine's 1979 FF1600 PRS.

But nowhere near as good to look at as the PRS. Does anyone on here care how modern F1 cars look ??

[jcbc3]

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson


And that was just a re-do of Alan Raine's 1979 FF1600 PRS.

I bow to your superior knowledge. Any pics?

[Rob G]

The Benetton B186 was a pretty radical paint scheme, especially on the rare occasions when they ran the painted tire sidewalls.

[ensign14]

"Radical" is one description. I have a shorter one.

[Barry Boor]

Being the archetypal old f**t, I liked racing cars when they were pretty-well one colour. Maybe a stripe or two, or a nose band, but nothing flash.

I thought I had seen the WORST POSSIBLE colour scheme when the 2007 Renault was announced but without doubt, this abomination on the Honda moves me to tears of frustration.

What ARE they thinking?

[Bonde]

T'honda looks all moldy to me...perhaps they chose the mottled paint scheme in order to conceal the car's truly ugly aerodynamic appendages?

[BTW, I admit to being An Olde Farte, too, Barry...]

[macoran]

I am probably an old "fan" as well, as I am busy doing a "side view" of the Amon right now.
It's allllllll blue-ish except forthe Champion and Firestone logos....oh and the little kiwi on Chris's helmet.

[Rob Ryder]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
What ARE they thinking?

I know what I am thinking..
Renault = "Pavement Pizza"
Honda = "Something to step in at a farmyard"
Rob

[jj2728]

I believe you fellows are, for the most part, mistaken. The item in question is not someone's interpretation of art on a racing car circa. 2007, but one of those strange, possibly pre-historic sea creatures snagged in the nets by japanese fishermen.

[David Beard]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Being the archetypal old f**t, I liked racing cars when they were pretty-well one colour. Maybe a stripe or two, or a nose band, but nothing flash.

I thought I had seen the WORST POSSIBLE colour scheme when the 2007 Renault was announced but without doubt, this abomination on the Honda moves me to tears of frustration.

What ARE they thinking?

Yes, yes, yes. But nobody has asked the question: how on earth did they do it?

[Bonde]

3D computer-aided appliqué (printed foil), I suspect. Feed the computer with the Earth image in something akin to Mercator's projection, mix it with the 3D surface contour of the car and let the software and paint jet do the rest. Some computer graphics skill required. Batteries not included.

Either that, or they just let it sit in the chicken coop long enough...

Marc.

I'm looking forward to seing your Amon on the TNF'er artworks thread...!

[Alan Cox]

Originally posted by jcb3
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Originally posted by Andrew Kitson


And that was just a re-do of Alan Raine's 1979 FF1600 PRS.
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I bow to your superior knowledge. Any pics?

http://www.alanraine...ans_history.htm

His PRS is car no 59 in the picture at the bottom of the page.

[jcbc3]

Originally posted by Alan Cox



http://www.alanraine...ans_history.htm

His PRS is car no 59 in the picture at the bottom of the page.

I was thinking more of a side view. To see his execution of the 'tub window'.

[dbw]

you can go back a ways for " art car" paintjobs....the indy "wonder bread special"of the '30s...that shocking zebra-striped british hillclimb car [ can't remember the make -brain fade] and sonia delaunay's fabulous cubist t-35 bug....

[ian senior]

Originally posted by dbw
you can go back a ways for " art car" paintjobs....the indy "wonder bread special"of the '30s...that shocking zebra-striped british hillclimb car [ can't remember the make -brain fade] and sonia delaunay's fabulous cubist t-35 bug....

Wasn't there also a Clubman's car racing in Britain in the late 60s/early 70s with a black and white striped livery - entered by "Humbug Racing" or something similar? Or was that the one on the hills? Got a feeling it was a Lotus 7, but could be wrong (as usual).

[Arjan de Roos]

When did people start to call this liveries Art Cars? With the first BMW's or earlier or later??

I mean today we call the Ed Hugus Porsche 908 Zebra an Art Car, but was it called that way back then? And many other cars in the past have had very special liveries, e.g. Sonia Delaunay Bugatti.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by ian senior


Wasn't there also a Clubman's car racing in Britain in the late 60s/early 70s with a black and white striped livery - entered by "Humbug Racing" or something similar? Or was that the one on the hills? Got a feeling it was a Lotus 7, but could be wrong (as usual).

Robin Hall, 1-litre Lotus 7 Humbug Racing.
Mid to late 60s raced in clubmans against Max Mosley,Tim Goss, Jeremy Lord etc... White car with black and white stripes on the nose.

[ensign14]

There were paintjobs in the 20s which I assume were based on dazzle-ships from WW1. Not art per se.

[Vitesse2]

Originally posted by dbw
that shocking zebra-striped british hillclimb car [ can't remember the make -brain fade]

Bertie Kensington Moir's Straker-Squire. Not exactly zebra-striped: it was based on the dazzle-painted camouflage used on warships.

http://www.hartlana....hive/im0324.htm

ps 29 posts and not a mention of the Porsche Pink Pig.

[ensign14]

That was "art" in the same way as Confessions of a Window-Cleaner was art.

[Vitesse2]

"Art is anything you can get away with" (Marshall McLuhan)

[Andrew Kitson]

[RTH]

Not quite a racing car, although we did stage a race for 3 of them at Silverstone last November for the week long celebrity Sky television series of programmes called "The Race "
The Carver is available all in matt black (they call it 'Stealth Black ' ) including the wheels and in over 40 orders this is, perhaps surprisingly, the most popular colour choice

[condor]

I remember seeing that....but thought it was a top gear show.....I'm getting so forgetful now

[RTH]

It was on Top Gear in 2003 deliveries start next week in UK

[Mohican]

Nobody has yet mentioned Jan Lammers 1979 Shadow DN9...

[Jerome]

You were just ahead of me here:

http://www.autopassi...Lammers-001.jpg

[Wolf]

Weren't 'real' artists commissioned to do liveries of M1 Procars? ISTR mention of that in here...

Excuse me for being pedantic, but those tub windows are merely art immitating life.;)

[Arjan de Roos]

So a car is considered an Art Car if the paint job was carried out by an renowned artist?

Like Warhol, Lichtenstein, Calder, Stella and Ken Done on the BMW's. Cesar on the Venturi and McLaren.
Arman on the Venturi LP400. And Wollinski's Porsche that ran at Le Mans 1998.

Karel Appel once did a Mercedes 190 (no racing intended)
Mahlangu also did a BMW (no racer as well I believe)

The Shadow DN9B of Jan Lammers was painted by a local UK artist I believe. The livery looks stunning. However the mechanics were shocked and amused when they lifted the body and saw the nose painting only...

"Protect me from what I want..."

[bradbury west]

I still reckon that the Scarabs looked right, and 196 Dino, chassis 804, IIRC, looked perfect
Always a very subjective thing, though, after all, there are even people who find 1980s f2 cars pretty.........................
RL