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#1 Jerome

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:12

Hi people

For my amusement, and perhaps yours, I've calculated how fast the F1 grid of 1967 would be on the modern Monaco track. For the calculation I used the good old GP3, in combination with Gp3edit and Gp3 advanced physics calculator. What I did was test the settings on another classic F1 track (Zandvoort), modified untill I had the exact poletime as in 1967, and then transfered the data to the new Monaco.
Please discuss (for example: how much influence would or should the 2006 tarmac make compared to the 1967 roadsurface?)


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Race Starting Grid

Monaco - Monte-Carlo




1 Pole
Jim Clark
2 1m 37.938s
Jackie Stewart
1m 38.009s 3 Row 2
Jacky Ickx
4 1m 38.618s
John Surtees
1m 38.762s 5 Row 3
Chris Amon
6 1m 39.189s
Denny Hulme
1m 39.247s 7 Row 4
Jo Siffert
8 1m 39.350s
Jo Schlesser
1m 39.446s 9 Row 5
Jack Brabham
10 1m 39.594s
Dan Gurney
1m 39.679s 11 Row 6
Bruce Mclaren
12 1m 39.756s
Graham Hill
1m 39.816s 13 Row 7
Jean Pierre Beltoise
14 1m 39.896s
Dick Atwood
1m 39.921s 15 Row 8
Joakim Bonnier
16 1m 40.024s
Lucian Bianchi
1m 40.169s 17 Row 9
Piers Courage
18 1m 40.242s
John Love
1m 40.304s 19 Row 10
Vic Elford
20 1m 40.379s
Chris Amon
1m 40.463s 21 Row 11
Jochen Rindt
22 1m 40.564s
Pedro Rodriguez
1m 41.353s

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#2 Jerome

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:15

:|

The browser has screwed my tabs a bit, so the grid looks strange. To be clear: The pole would be 1m 37.938s.

#3 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:31



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Race Starting Grid							  

																				

							   Monaco - Monte-Carlo							 

																	 

																				

																				

																				

													 1			  Pole		

												 Jim Clark					  

							2				   1m 37.938s					  

					Jackie Stewart											  

					   1m 38.009s					3			 Row 2		

											 Jacky Ickx						 

							4				   1m 38.618s					  

				   John Surtees												 

					   1m 38.762s					5			 Row 3		

											 Chris Amon						

							6				   1m 39.189s					  

				   Denny  Hulme												 

					   1m 39.247s					7			 Row 4		

												Jo Siffert					  

							8				   1m 39.350s					  

					  Jo Schlesser											  

					   1m 39.446s					9			 Row 5		

											 Jack Brabham					   

						   10				   1m 39.594s					  

					   Dan Gurney											   

					   1m 39.679s				   11			 Row 6		

											 Bruce Mclaren					  

						   12				   1m 39.756s					  

				  Graham Hill												   

					   1m 39.816s				   13			 Row 7		

										   Jean Pierre Beltoise				 

						   14				   1m 39.896s					  

				   Dick Atwood												  

					   1m 39.921s				   15			 Row 8		

											  Joakim Bonnier					

						   16				   1m 40.024s					  

					 Lucian Bianchi											 

					   1m 40.169s				   17			 Row 9		

											 Piers Courage					  

						   18				   1m 40.242s					  

						John Love											   

					   1m 40.304s				   19			Row 10		

												Vic Elford					  

						   20				   1m 40.379s					  

					   Chris Amon											   

					   1m 40.463s				   21			Row 11		

											Jochen Rindt						

						   22				   1m 40.564s					  

					Pedro Rodriguez											 

					   1m 41.353s

Is that better? (Press "quote" to see how it was done ;) )

#4 kayemod

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:41

Will the real Chris Amon please identify himself?

#5 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:01

Jo Schlesser here ???? I dont understand

#6 f1steveuk

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:02

Originally posted by Gerard Gamand
Jo Schlesser here ???? I dont understand


two of him, and he still couldn't win a GP!!!

#7 Jerome

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:06

Oops I made a mistake. Shit does happen!

The point is that the drivers changed a lot during the season in 1967... Ferrari for example did not show up in Kyalamy, and when Bandini crashed to death, the came with three cars to Zandvoort.

Please forgive me. But please do believe I put a lot of effort in the grid calculation. I even used the Autosport top 50 for it...

I don't get the question about Chris Amon...

#8 Jerome

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:07

Darn!

Thanx, I was looking for ages for that button! Just looked at the wrong places!

Quote, Hehe

#9 kayemod

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:14

Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
Oops I made a mistake. Shit does happen!

I don't get the question about Chris Amon...


I was just thinking that the Chris Amon at the back of the grid probably achieved even fewer GP wins than the one near the front.

#10 Jerome

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:17

I get it now, about Amon.
I also corrected Rindts and Rodriquez time. It appears I used their actual qualifying time in the 1967 Monaco race for my first calculation, which put them a bit ouf contention. I used the Top 50 recently published on Autosport as part of the equation. Furthermore, I believe there were only 18 cars on the grid in 1967.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Jerome.Inen
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Race Starting Grid

Monaco - Monte-Carlo
(39 Laps)


1
Jim Clark
2 1m 37.938s
Jackie Stewart
1m 38.009s 3
Jacky Ickx
4 1m 38.618s
John Surtees
1m 38.762s 5
Chris Amon
6 1m 39.189s
Denny Hulme
1m 39.247s 7
Jochen Rindt
22 1m 39.300
Pedro Rodriguez
1m 41.353s

Jo Siffert
8 1m 39.350s
Jo Schlesser
1m 39.446s 9
Jack Brabham
10 1m 39.594s
Dan Gurney
1m 39.679s 11
Bruce Mclaren
12 1m 39.756s
Graham Hill
1m 39.816s 13
Jean Pierre Beltoise
14 1m 39.896s
Dick Atwood
1m 39.921s 15
Joakim Bonnier
16 1m 40.024s
Lucian Bianchi
1m 40.169s 17
Piers Courage
18 1m 40.242s
John Love
1m 40.304s
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