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#451 E1pix

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 17:57

Here's a few in honor of one fine guy, David Abbott of New Zealand.

David's keeping the magic of F5000 alive and well with his ex-Racing Team VDS Lola T430s....

Welcome Back from the Isles, Mate!


All images from Pocono Raceway, Pennsylvania, and Road America, Wisconsin, 1976, shot when I was 16....

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#452 alansart

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:07

Fabulous pics E1pix.

The New Zealand F5000 teams were a very welcome addition to the UK scene last month.

It's a pity Dave Abbott's T430 was damaged in a Testing shunt at Oulton Park.

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He did get out at Brands the following week :)

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#453 E1pix

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:14

Thank You Alansart! :up:

I heard about the shunt, didn't know the details right off.... but was most pleased to hear the damage was repaired so David could enjoy Brands Hatch. That's a long way and a big commitment to not get to realize one's childhood dreams for sure!

How was the event???

Thanks Again! :wave:

#454 alansart

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:29

Thank You Alansart! :up:

I heard about the shunt, didn't know the details right off.... but was most pleased to hear the damage was repaired so David could enjoy Brands Hatch. That's a long way and a big commitment to not get to realize one's childhood dreams for sure!

How was the event???

Thanks Again! :wave:


It wasn't that bad, but the engine mounts were damaged, plus the gearbox spacer and rear wing. In true old days fashion it looked as though it was being put back together with what ever was available.

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The Oulton race was a late addition to a fairly low key Historic meeting, which gave the New Zealand drivers a bit of extra practice before the big Brands Hatch race. Mind you Oulton is not an easy circuit to learn.

A few photos:

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There are more on my Flickr site

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#455 E1pix

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 19:02

Lovely shots, Alan, Thanks for posting them! I'll bet it was awesome all 'round.

I have to wonder if the Tasman Series could keep growing and become a bigger deal again. Wouldn't it be something to re-manufacture some of these cars as original and do it all over again? I understand that Series opened for the Australian GP, I am very interested in coming Down Under to witness all this for myself.... someday.

Thanks Again, Alan!

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 20:10

I will echo the good vibes already given out about the F5000/Derek Bell races at Brands Hatch :up: . The racing was great and in a way showed up the rather small field of Historic F1 cars :| . The F5000 cars are always worth going to watch and the added bonus for us at the Superprix this year was the guys who came from `down under` for our summe :smoking: r.
I met Mike Whatley`s mechanic (Pete :wave: ) who had never seen or experienced F1 cars on track :eek: . Suffice to say - he enjoyed Brands for realising his dream and I had to apologise on our behalf - explaining that we normally get nearer 30 cars on the grid not 9 :well: !!! I look forward to seeing the guys over here again sometime and hope that (Lottery win permitting :rolleyes: )one day I will get down under for the NZ winter to experience the F5000 cars on track over there. F5000 - happy days and happy people indeed!!! :love:



#457 E1pix

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 20:15

Lovely to read, very nice. :clap:

I was considering joking with you about your alias.... being of the joking type.... until I read your info and statement.

If you ever need an artist to help your cause, please ask.

Best to You and your family. :up:

#458 cheapracer

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 07:11

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What a shame we will never see shapes like this again.


#459 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:09

F5000 GATHERING - FEATURE - CLASS at Shelsley Walsh Hillclimb 21-2 August.....

Does anyone know anything about this?

McLaren M18-owner Martin Cowell mentioned it in passing at Shelsley on Sunday, but said he didn't know any details or who had been invited.

There are currently 2 M18s and a T142 regularly appearing on the hills plus a pair of re-engined F2 Chevrons and an F2 Brabham-Buick that are in the spirit of F5000 if not strictly historically 'correct' . And of course there is quite a history of F5000s competing and winning hillclimb titles in period.

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#460 Wirra

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:50

What a shame we will never see shapes like this again.

I know this is not what you meant but 2 ex Niel Allen restored M10Bs are about to join the ranks down under.

Before leaving Reithmuller's workshop.

The ex-Hamilton, ex-Brown tub.
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The ex-Bartlett, ex-Cameron tub with new skins to reconstruct the engine pontoons with were removed at some stage to use the engine as a structural member.
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#461 ellrosso

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:51

Few more shots from Adelaide '77

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John McCormack McLaren M23, Gil Cameron McLaren M10B
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Garrie Cooper Elfin MR8
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Vern Schuppan Elfin MR8
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Warwick Brown Lola T430

#462 Stephen W

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 09:40

There are currently 2 M18s and a T142 regularly appearing on the hills plus a pair of re-engined F2 Chevrons and an F2 Brabham-Buick that are in the spirit of F5000 if not strictly historically 'correct' .


BTW the "F2 Brabham-Buick", although it never raced in F5000, is "historically correct" being the ex-Bryan Eccles car that competed in hillclimbs from 1966.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 13:20

BTW the "F2 Brabham-Buick", although it never raced in F5000, is "historically correct" being the ex-Bryan Eccles car that competed in hillclimbs from 1966.

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Yes I worded that badly didn't I? And Simon Durling, owner/driver of said Eccles Brabham is a regular visitor to my stall at events!

I guess what I meant to say was this car wasn't raced in F5000 in period (I think it was only ever used on the hills?), rather than unintentionally implying it's a more recent conversion, like the Chevrons.

Any idea what this F5000 class/gathering entails Steve? Or even if it's going ahead?






#464 wingsandslicks

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 00:53

They were back at the following round, which was Road America's second of the year, with a brand new unraced car which was lovely to look at, so clean and unblemished! Jones was busy in Europe with the Dutch GP so Derek Bell drove the car, but was a DNF with new car blues in the points race. Bell did finish third the following day in the non-points Handicap race.

Tom

That Theodore car mentioned abv (HU61) occupies several rooms in my house as it undergoes restoration. In '77 AJ crashed it in practice at Surfer's and the remains were then sold. It was rebuilt on a spare Lola tub and raced by subsequent owners over the years. I purchased it in '08 as a nearly complete car but needing a good going over. I hope to have it on track in 2012.

#465 Stephen W

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 08:01

Any idea what this F5000 class/gathering entails Steve? Or even if it's going ahead?


I understand that the class will be "going ahead" although I have no indication of content. The class will be for F5000 cars and there will be a seperate class for Historic Single Seaters.

I'll post any details once I ferret them out!

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#466 gouldo

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 09:01

I have some pics from the Eastern Creek Tasman Revival meet of 2008

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#467 jj2728

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 15:54

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Came across this photo this morning while archiving dad's negatives.
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#468 E1pix

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 17:59

Great photo, JJ!

When my wife and I first left Wisconsin in 1980 to move to Denver, her 18 and me 19, I only had one friend in our new city. His name was "Fast Eddie" Miller, whom I'd befriended at Road America when he was about to be the 1975 Formula Super Vee champ, and whom I'd watched win his two Formula Ford national championships at the Runoffs in 1972 and 1974. This was one nice fellow who unfortunately suffered a horrific, neck-breaking crash in his one attempt to race in the Indy 500 in 1976. The video of his car cartwheeling into the infield was used in the race's broadcast for years later when discussing safety improvements to the track, changes made to prevent a repeat of his incident.

Eddie looked after us like a parent when we moved to Denver and we are forever grateful to him. He also connected me with John Barker of Performance Development & Racing, himself a F5000 competitor and race prep shop owner of great success. I lettered and/or pinstriped every race car through his doors from 1980 until he sold the shop in 1990, so Eddie helped us launch our lives in many, many ways. We love Eddie, friends to this day.

Left to right in this 1973 photo, the year saddling Eddie's FF titles, are: Eddie Miller, Brian Redman, and Brett Lunger.


On topic for those familiar with Turn 1 at Mid-O.... RIP, BJ Swanson.

#469 Welby

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 23:25

some pics from Albert Park a few years back.
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#470 E1pix

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 23:47

Oh My, fantastic! How's that disco song go, "More, more, more.... How do you like it, how do you like it?"

Me likes it. I'll post some more of mine soon.

#471 wenoopy

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 11:15

Ansett and Elfin : Similar livery from a previous century.
Garrie Cooper's Elfin arriving for practise at New Zealand GP, Pukekohe 1972. Driver at left rear of car?
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Shame about picture quality; picture scan was better than negative scan.

#472 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 13:01

Yes, that looks like Garrie in the blue checked shirt and jeans...

It's so long ago! That frontal treatment on the MR5s soon gave way to a full width nose as used on a wide variety of cars.

#473 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 23:58

Yes, that looks like Garrie in the blue checked shirt and jeans...

It's so long ago! That frontal treatment on the MR5s soon gave way to a full width nose as used on a wide variety of cars.

Defenitly Garrie


#474 drivers71

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:44

1970 Mallory Park - Peter Gethin/Sid Taylor McLaren M10B

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1971 Brands Hatch - Frank Gardner/Lola Cars Lola T300
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1971 Brands Hatch - Teddy Pilette/VDS McLaren M10B
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1971 Brands Hatch - Mike Hailwood/Team Surtees Surtees TS8
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1971 Brands Hatch - Brian Redman/Sid Taylor McLaren M18
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Lots more to follow

#475 alansart

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:51

Fabulous. I think I was at that Brands Meeting - a spotty 16 year old in those days :)

#476 drivers71

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Posted 17 September 2011 - 15:58

1971 Mallory Park - Brian Redman/Sid Taylor McLaren M18
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1971 Mallory Park - Mike Hailwood/Team Surtees Surtees TS8
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1971 Mallory Park - Alan Rollinson/Alan McKechnie Surtees TS8
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:17

What a fabulous thread! :up: Thanks to all the contributors across the globe; some wonderful stories and photos.

Here, we are at Knicker Brook, Oulton Park, on a freezing day in April '74. EDIT: April, not October, still freezing though. :blush:

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:46

Wonderful Pete - quite wonderful. Hobbs, Lombardi, Edwards and Schuppan (I think).

How very sad that the idiots "in charge" felt it necessary to change this most magnificent of corners because somebody died due to his car suffering a mechanical failure.

#479 Alan Cox

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 21:25

Wonderful Pete - quite wonderful. Hobbs, Lombardi, Edwards and Schuppan (I think).

Schuppan indeed, Mark. The other Trojan which practiced was Brian McGuire's, but that didn't start while Keith Holland's Ian Ward entry didn't appear.

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#480 E1pix

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 21:47

Fabulous photo, Elan! :up:

I'll post more here as well, can't get enough F5000!

#481 Prototype

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 22:18

For those of you who have not seen my film on F5000s, featuring Ken Smith, Kevin Bartlett, John Bowe, Alfredo Costanzo, John Goss, the link is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOjn2VQLKoA

ENJOY!

#482 LittleChris

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 22:49

How very sad that the idiots "in charge" felt it necessary to change this most magnificent of corners because somebody died due to his car suffering a mechanical failure.


I wonder if the the Warwick family would agree or the Colson family who lost their son the previous month. :(



#483 E1pix

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:33

For those of you who have not seen my film on F5000s, featuring Ken Smith, Kevin Bartlett, John Bowe, Alfredo Costanzo, John Goss, the link is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOjn2VQLKoA

ENJOY!

I have, and I love it, very nice work! You might like to know I received this link from a Gent in New Zealand, and I have circulated your link around the Globe.

It is spectacular footage and I commend you for it!

#484 MCS

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:31

I wonder if the the Warwick family would agree or the Colson family who lost their son the previous month. :(


I meant no disrespect to either, but will delete my comment if it causes any offence.

It was based simply as an opinion that the changes to the circuit were unnecessary; a run-off area would have been entirely acceptable and understandable, but to destroy the challenge of the corner completely by putting a in a chicane was frankly ridiculous.


Edited by MCS, 09 October 2011 - 10:11.


#485 LittleChris

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 19:13

No offence taken, I have a dislike of un-necessary chicanes as well. however wasn't part of the problem in this instance due to the proximity of Knickerbrook to the circuit perimeter behind which runs a road ? Rather simlar to Imola where, even though there was a big upgrade in 1980 prior to the Italian GP, it was not possible to create a sufficiently large run off at Tamburello due to the river running parallel to the circuit .

#486 MCS

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 20:45

Firstly, I am relieved I have caused no offence.

Geography, of course, dictates - I understand that. And you as an expert of a certain circuit in Normandy would know.

#487 LittleChris

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 20:53

Enthusiast rather than expert :blush:

#488 MCS

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 21:12

From where I am standing you are an expert. (I've read your stuff).

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#489 E1pix

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 22:21

A few more shot when I was 15 and 16....

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#490 jj2728

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 22:28

I like the Warwick Brown photo especially.... :up:

#491 E1pix

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 22:34

I like the Warwick Brown photo especially.... :up:

Thanks, JJ, what F5000 races were you lucky enough to attend, the Glen maybe?

#492 jj2728

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:10

Mid-Ohio and all from dad's archives.

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#493 E1pix

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 02:17

Awesome, JJ.... looks like Hobbs is boring Posey again! :lol: ;)

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 13:52

A few snaps taken on a Kodak Instamatic at the February 1972 Australian GP, the Sandown Tasman round. Then a few at Brands Hatch in October 72.
Apologies for iffy quality...

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McRae's GM1 after the race.

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In the paddock with Hobbs' McLaren.

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Frank Gardner's Lola T300; believe he announced his retirement from single seater racing after this race. Remember liking the radical look of the Lola.

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Sorry for chopping off the Elfin MR5's nose...

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Moffat and Goss in the supporting Series Production race.

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Lola T300 wheelspins off the line in the Rothmans F5000 race in October 72; can't remember if this was Pilette or if Frank came over to do another F5000 race after all...

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Tasman champion McRae brought his Tasman GM1 over for the Rothmans race

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#495 jj2728

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 13:55

Thanks for sharing. Love the Lola wheelspin shot.

#496 alansart

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 14:03

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Lola T300 wheelspins off the line in the Rothmans F5000 race in October 72; can't remember if this was Pilette or if Frank came over to do another F5000 race after all...


Brian Redman, Frank Gardner, Graham McRae and the nose of Alan Rollinson's Lola.

I was probably about a couple of 100 yards further up the track spectating at Paddock. It was the first time I'd seen McRae race and was very impressed.


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Posted 10 October 2011 - 14:08

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Lola T300 wheelspins off the line in the Rothmans F5000 race in October 72; can't remember if this was Pilette or if Frank came over to do another F5000 race after all...

That is Gardner, giving the new Lola T330 its race debut. Frank had come back to the UK for 'just one race' as his Tarmac Championship title was under threat from Roger Williamson. Frank's 'slithery start' (as Autosport put it) meant that he dropped to third behind Brian Redman in the white Chevron B24 (next to Gardner in the photo) and Graham McRae who had a ding dong battle for the rest of the race, Redman winning by a whisker. Gardner's third place was enough to clinch his Tarmac Championship.

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#498 alansart

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 14:21

Graham McRae who had a ding dong battle for the rest of the race, Redman winning by a whisker.


I've just checked the results on ORC and Redman beat McRae by 0.2 seconds!


#499 E1pix

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 21:03

That is Gardner, giving the new Lola T330 its race debut. Frank had come back to the UK for 'just one race' as his Tarmac Championship title was under threat from Roger Williamson. Frank's 'slithery start' (as Autosport put it) meant that he dropped to third behind Brian Redman in the white Chevron B24 (next to Gardner in the photo) and Graham McRae who had a ding dong battle for the rest of the race, Redman winning by a whisker. Gardner's third place was enough to clinch his Tarmac Championship.

Edit: pipped by Alan

I had forgotten Redman drove a Chevron for a spell, he also ran that car in the States in '72 IIRC (perhaps with Delta Tire support before Scheckter acquired that in '73?). He is so intertwined with the T330 and T332s in my memory, an easy mistake I guess (I'm sticking to that lame excuse! :) )

Tim, I never knew any T330s were run before 1973, but noticed right off it didn't look like a T300 (except I was almost tricked by the standard airbox).

And Martin, no excuses necessary for the pics, I think they're great memories and that's all we should care about here. Very cool stuff, McRae ran that same then-Leda here as well in 1972 (and won the Title).

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Posted 10 October 2011 - 21:14

I had forgotten Redman drove a Chevron for a spell, he also ran that car in the States in '72 IIRC (perhaps with Delta Tire support before Scheckter acquired that in '73?).


Did Sheckter drive Chevron?

I thought it was a Trojan.