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#651 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:44

It is an interesting little story, not a long story, and you should be able to read about it when you're selling our book. And also see a (better) full page colour pic of it in Doidge's hands.


I very much look forward to stocking the book Ray! Looks great. :up:


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#652 ellrosso

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:24

Few more pics from the later years of F5000 in OZ.

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Mel McEwan Matich A53 in b/g.

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This is the ex Bruce Allison B37? Chevron.

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Chris Middleton Elfin MR8 in b/g

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#653 E1pix

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:23

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Great shots, Ellrosso... and what a beautifully-tidy design this car is. :up:

I've heard of Elfin, of course. But if I'm not mistaken it seems none came to the States, at least regularly, until the Can-Am II Series with Schuppan.

#654 ellrosso

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:55

Hi Eric, yes it is striking isn't it? Bodywork is quite different to its original guise - if you type Elfin MR5 into the Advanced search on the website you'll see what they looked like originally. Pretty sure your right about Elfins in the US too. Like pretty much all Elfins (F5000, F2, ANF 2.5, Vees, FF, F Junior or Sports) they all had their fair share of wins in Australian racing. Cheers, Lindsay

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:01

Thats right. The MR5 (Repco-Holden) was an ugly thing at first but in this late guise it looked pretty smart. It ran various nose designs amongst the 4 different cars built and as changed by various owners so lots of configurations. Vern took his own MR8 Chev to the states as a centre seat can-am and it too had at least 3 quite different body/wing combinations. Three MR8s were built and then the MR9 genuine ground effect car.

Yes the silver Chevron is the B37 as run by Ivan Tighe. Easily identified by the Lola type enclosed rear body.

#656 Bondy

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:02

The Tim Slako Elfin is a MR6 and the Gardos in the pic would have been driven by Barry Singleton by then, not Chris Milton...

#657 ellrosso

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:17

Yes dead right Bondy - great thing about TNF...... Gardos looked great in that configuration actually.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:38

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Chris Middleton Elfin MR8 in b/g


The MR9 looks superb - not so sure about the MR8!

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:50

Yes the MR9 certainly looks the more integrated design. The MR8 had the removable cockpit that sat proud of the flat top of the tub.

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#660 ellrosso

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:28

MR9 sounded great too with its flat plane crank and single centre exhaust - very different to the rest at the time.

#661 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:01

This is the best thread on TNF!

So many great photos of so many different cars. :love: :love: :love: :love: So unlike modern cookie-cutter single seaters!

Great to see these ground-effect Elfins etc. Much more interesting in every respect than the F Pacific's that replaced them.

#662 Wirra

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:26

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#663 Wirra

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:32

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#664 Duc-Man

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 16:58

Just got back from Hockenheim. Three F5000 were there but I didn't see them run. Pictures are up tomorrow.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 21:00

I have a query from a Formula Libre race at Thruxton 1976 regarding 2 F5000 entries

Rare for Thruxton to run Libre races i know March 7th 1976

There are 2 cars entered firstly John Hardisty with a Trojan 101

2nd a non starter was Basil Stainer with a Lola T142

Any idea who these 2 cars would have started life with , the Lola certainly was a very early car by 1976 .


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#666 Alan Cox

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 21:46

Why has the M4A McLaren in Wirra's last photographs been liveried in McLaren orange? They never appeared in period like that, did they? If they ever did, I must have missed it.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 22:09

... There are 2 cars entered firstly John Hardisty with a Trojan 101...


The Hardesty car seems to have been Trojan T101, chassis #105, driven by Hardesty at Silverstone in '75, and by Choat at Silverstone and Castle Combe 1976:
http://www.oldracing...om/trojan/t101/

In just a quick check, I see no reference to Basil Stainer, but here's the link to the T142s (I also gave a quick look at the T140 page just in case):
http://www.oldracing....com/lola/t142/

#668 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:04

MR9 sounded great too with its flat plane crank and single centre exhaust - very different to the rest at the time.

From what I am told it used a standard configuration engine. With 8 into 1 exhaust the only time I ever saw it race.It possibly used a more standard dual exhaust at other times. Which was its first race meeting. Austin7 club Easter Meeting. The centre post wing had the wobbles up the straight at AIR. There was other teething problems also.

Qustion? How many race meetings did that car actually do? I know it was not very many as it was first raced in Easter 81 and Garrie died Anzac Day 82.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 03:33

Question? How many race meetings did that car actually do? I know it was not very many as it was first raced in Easter 81 and Garrie died Anzac Day 82.

It first raced in November 1980 at the AGP at Calder.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 05:06

The Hardesty car seems to have been Trojan T101, chassis #105, driven by Hardesty at Silverstone in '75, and by Choat at Silverstone and Castle Combe 1976:
http://www.oldracing...om/trojan/t101/

In just a quick check, I see no reference to Basil Stainer, but here's the link to the T142s (I also gave a quick look at the T140 page just in case):
http://www.oldracing....com/lola/t142/


Looking at Allen's page the most likely car for Stainer would be the Kieth Holland/Alan Fraser one. but as Stainer is the driver/entrant it could have been own by another person.

Stainer is listed as coming from Sherbourne, Dorset .?

#671 Stephen W

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:29

Why has the M4A McLaren in Wirra's last photographs been liveried in McLaren orange? They never appeared in period like that, did they? If they ever did, I must have missed it.


If memory serves the 'works' car was a dark red or maroon colour whilst the Chequered Flag cars were, understandably, black & white.

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:19

Surtees TS5-7
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Crossle ?
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McLaren M10
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#673 Lola5000

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:35

Pity about the wheels on the Surtees.

#674 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:16

Originally posed by Lee Nicolle
.....Question? How many race meetings did that car actually do? I know it was not very many as it was first raced in Easter '81 and Garrie died Anzac Day '82.


I can recall seeing a pic of it at Oran Park, two separate Calders, Winton, John Bowe drove it at Sandown, it was probably at an Amaroo too. I'm not sure if it was at the AIR meeting in May '82.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:25

Pity about the wheels on the Surtees.

Go to post #20 on the attached link and you will see Surtees wheels!
http://www.theroarin...llection-Part-1

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:30

I can recall seeing a pic of it at Oran Park, two separate Calders, Winton, John Bowe drove it at Sandown, it was probably at an Amaroo too. I'm not sure if it was at the AIR meeting in May '82.

I saw it at the first Calder and Oran Park, I don't recall it at Amaroo, if it was entered it may have been a DNA. (I probably have the programmes.)

#677 Lola5000

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:34

Go to post #20 on the attached link and you will see Surtees wheels!
http://www.theroarin...llection-Part-1

I doubt the factory cars ran steel rims.

#678 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:49

Fronts are real, that was a great car. George Begg and engineers replaced Chev with DFV which Mike Hailwood displayed at Wigram.

Edited by Patrick Fletcher, 14 April 2012 - 11:52.


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 21:27

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Have I caught Ray napping on this one?

Unless I'm very much mistaken Cooper's given name was spelt Garrie, as in, Garrie Clifford Cooper. It seems odd that someone could own such a car and prepare it to such a standard and make such a mistake. The reference is fairly clear.

http://adb.anu.edu.a...-clifford-12351

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#680 GMACKIE

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 21:39

You are correct, Wirra......it should read 'GARRIE COOPER'

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 21:52

The wheels on the Surtees are NOT steel. They were all the rage in the early seventies, two aluminum wheel halves glued together. We had a set for our McRae but right now I can't think of the name of them. No bolts or fasteners just some aerospace glue between the halves.

#682 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 21:52

Everybody knows that...

But don't try to tell a signwriter!

#683 E1pix

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 22:25

... But don't try to tell a signwriter!

Or in this case, perhaps a computer operator-vinyl output guy that cares nothing about racing.

I was a signwriter from the mid-'70s through the mid-'90s, including doing over 500 race cars. The only mistake I know of was for a client who wanted "Circle D Rentals" on his Formula Ford. He went on and on about his "Circle D Ranch" and went off to lunch. When he came back he was shocked to see "Circle D Ranch" on his car, and we had a great laugh over it. I wiped "Ranch" off and re-painted "Rentals" on the car.

I was 21, and am sticking to that as my excuse. :)

#684 GMACKIE

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 22:50

A 'deliberate mistake', perhaps? :lol:

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 23:02

:lol:

At least I spelled his name right on the cockpit... I think.  ;)

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 00:21

Matich - M10A

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#687 JacnGille

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:07

Or in this case, perhaps a computer operator-vinyl output guy that cares nothing about racing.

I was a signwriter from the mid-'70s through the mid-'90s, including doing over 500 race cars. The only mistake I know of was for a client who wanted "Circle D Rentals" on his Formula Ford. He went on and on about his "Circle D Ranch" and went off to lunch. When he came back he was shocked to see "Circle D Ranch" on his car, and we had a great laugh over it. I wiped "Ranch" off and re-painted "Rentals" on the car.

I was 21, and am sticking to that as my excuse. :)

"Ranch" "Rental"... they both start with the letter "R". :cool:

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 01:16

"Ranch" "Rental"... they both start with the letter "R". :cool:

:lol: Don't forget the "n," I nailed that one as well. :rolleyes:


Back in Effiveville, beauty shots Duc-Man and Wirra! :up:

Of all the pre-1970 cars, I especially love the M10. Still doesn't look "outdated" to my eyes a bit.

Edited by E1pix, 15 April 2012 - 01:21.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:15

The wheels on the Surtees are NOT steel. They were all the rage in the early seventies, two aluminum wheel halves glued together. We had a set for our McRae but right now I can't think of the name of them. No bolts or fasteners just some aerospace glue between the halves.



Melmags? They had a tendancy to pull the centres out with disastrous consequences.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:55

Some of you will recall that the esteemed Sid Taylor ran his Lola T70 spider with Denis Hulme's name spelt "Dennis Hulme" for a number of years. The restored version today, happily, still perpetutes the error.
Without referring to photographs I'm not sure whether his coup├ęs carried on with the spelling.

Edited by Alan Cox, 15 April 2012 - 08:57.


#691 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 12:26

:lol: Don't forget the "n," I nailed that one as well. :rolleyes:


Back in Effiveville, beauty shots Duc-Man and Wirra! :up:

Of all the pre-1970 cars, I especially love the M10. Still doesn't look "outdated" to my eyes a bit.

I agree about the M10, still looks more contempary.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 14:55

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Another of the Dulon - Anderstorp 1970.

#693 E1pix

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 20:00

Cool Photo, Norco... and Welcome!! :wave:

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 20:10

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Another of the Dulon - Anderstorp 1970.



I believe that's Fred Place at the wheel.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 20:44

Another of the Dulon - Anderstorp 1970.



Welcome to TNF, norco.

You've started with something possibly quite unique, as I don't believe I've ever seen the Dulon actually look like a racing car before. That's quite a picture!

Edited by MCS, 15 April 2012 - 20:46.


#696 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 21:04

Come on fellows...

Was it really that bad?

It looks very purposeful there. In particular it looks like a strong car.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 21:11

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Printed as part of a page of Autosport.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 21:15

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Published as part of a page of Autosport.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 21:17

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Published as part of a page in Autosport 1971.

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#700 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 23:51

The Dulon to me is better looking than the Kitchener. That is one ugly car and probably slower than its M10? base.
Though at least people were trying all sorts of different things.
And I still do not consider the GM1 Mcrae attractive. But that has been very succesfull and still is now.