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#851 Duc-Man

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:34

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:eek: Propably the worst colour sceme on a race car I've ever seen. :eek:

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#852 E1pix

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:43

No... 'Vegas' and 'worst color scheme' on the same car? Impossible.

[Warning: Intentional, ironic humor by a Vegas Hater. Any comparison to an actual opinion is vehemently denied]


But seriously, per Hillclimb conversion, what a tragic waste of a perfectly good Bowin F5000 car. :cry:

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#853 Stephen W

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:07

Bowin P8 converted to hillclimb specs.

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But seriously, per Hillclimb conversion, what a tragic waste of a perfectly good Bowin F5000 car. :cry:


Sorry E1pix but you are wrong, at the time the car would have been converted there would have been little else it was good for. Far better it was used than left to rot!

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 16:32

:eek: Propably the worst colour sceme on a race car I've ever seen. :eek:

But Donna Mae Mims would have loved it!

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 17:00

...Mac Daghorn's Leda Type 20/1...


Mike Walker trying it out for size?


#856 Alan Cox

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 17:05

Have just read a piece in the latest Historic Motor Racing News about the restoration of Lola T140 SL140/7 by Jonathan Hall of Hardy Hall Restorations which also mentions that he is restoring the original Kincraft V8, which was entered for the first British F5000 race but didn't turn up, for its current owner
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#857 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 21:51

Originally posted bytimbo
Bowin P8 converted to hillclimb specs.

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And then converted a bit further.

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Which P8 and when?

I spent a bit of time with John Leffler yesterday and we discussed all these cars.

The general layout of the history of the cars was as I posted the other day, the F5000 went from John to Alan Nolan, then the tub was rescued just in time by John Joyce and is still at Bowin's.

The F2 car (which had started out as a F5000) remained in WA after Sue Ransom's outing with it there and was sold at auction after a subsequent owner went broke. Many parts were poached off it first, it seems. But John saw it in a hangar at Bathurst a couple of years ago and the new owner reckoned he'd be restoring it in time. But John was concerned that he didn't appreciate how much work he had ahead of him.

He also had, John said, a Lola F5000 in the hangar which he planned to race...
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#858 rms

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 22:06

Ray,

Not a P8 - it is the ex Barry Garner Bowin/Hay P6, built with a shorter wheelbase for hillclimbs only.
Sadly it is also the car in which Mike Sullivan suffered paraplegia, the car was not damaged in that incident.

Still running in hillclimbs today.

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#859 Wirra

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 23:23

... But John saw it in a hangar at Bathurst a couple of years ago ...

As possibly linked to earlier.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 00:21

:eek: Propably the worst colour sceme on a race car I've ever seen. :eek:

Take a look at the same livery on the Unlimited Hydro.
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#861 fredeuce

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:52

No Repco Holden V8 here. Is this a Traco Olds or modified Rover V8?

Bowin P8 converted to hillclimb specs.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 13:29

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Autosport front cover showing David Hobbs (TS5) at Oulton Park

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Dean & Pilette at Oulton



#863 MCS

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 19:53

Some interesting shots here from Zandvoort in 1975:

http://www.flickrive...mmm/tags/f5000/ (let the page fully load, there are over twenty pictures).

Remember how the likes of Gethin, Pilette, Scott and Ashley all tried different airboxes on their Lolas - the first three having dispensed with the huge original piece of fibreglass on the T400 - often securing the replacement "inserts" with rope! Scott's car often ran without an airbox - here it has a T332 version fitted.

Rare glimpses of the Fridays Chevron and Hayje's March as well.


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Posted 03 May 2012 - 20:56

Some interesting shots here from Zandvoort in 1975:

http://www.flickrive...mmm/tags/f5000/


The Boy Hayje March 731/A(?) is a new one to me (tought it was the Martin Birrane/KB Brabham at first glance!) Doesn't seem to be mentioned on Allan's ORC site, unless I overlooked it.



#865 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 00:29

Originally posted by fredeuce
No Repco Holden V8 here. Is this a Traco Olds or modified Rover V8?


I'm glad that correct identification as a P6 came up, I was worried about it!

Fred, we live in Australia where P76s roamed free. Yes, a modifed Rover, but via the P76 (1" taller block) route. This car was (naturally enough) always immaculate when Barrie Garner ran it, but is it really the car the Milus Man ran? Wasn't there another car? Black was the common denominator.

#866 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 00:30

Orignally posted by Stephen W
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Autosport front cover showing David Hobbs (TS5) at Oulton Park


David talks about this association in our book...

And how that led to running the McLaren here.

#867 timbo

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:38

Which P8 and when?

I spent a bit of time with John Leffler yesterday and we discussed all these cars.

The general layout of the history of the cars was as I posted the other day, the F5000 went from John to Alan Nolan, then the tub was rescued just in time by John Joyce and is still at Bowin's.

The F2 car (which had started out as a F5000) remained in WA after Sue Ransom's outing with it there and was sold at auction after a subsequent owner went broke. Many parts were poached off it first, it seems. But John saw it in a hangar at Bathurst a couple of years ago and the new owner reckoned he'd be restoring it in time. But John was concerned that he didn't appreciate how much work he had ahead of him.

He also had, John said, a Lola F5000 in the hangar which he planned to race...
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I stand corrected on the hillclimb car being a P8.
Anyway this is what Alan Nolan did with the P8, turning it into a Nola Chev.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:47

The first incarnation of the hillclimb Bowin- the Barry Garner, Bowin P6 (Oops, P3)

I thought it might be nice to let some club guys get a look in.

Some hillclimb shots (if I remember it correctly, an NSSCC event) at Amaroo Park 6th June 1971...mostly specials
including a couple of blurry photos to complete the set.
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#869 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:11

That one's the P3 with a Holden engine...

I'm pretty sure it was a P3, which was the same as the P4 except it was a monocoque.

Barrie had the ultimate situation for working on his cars. He could stand up from the dining table each evening, turn to his right, walk through the door and the workshop was right there!

As you can see... always immaculate cars. That pic of the Nola Chev would be fairly late, after 1984 I'd say.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:26

Mea culpa - Ray, you're correct about it not being a P6, they were the formula fords with the variable rate suspension which didn't rate.

"Three Bowin P3 cars were built. The first, P3-101-68 was for Queensland racing driver Glyn Scott using a spare Cosworth#The_FVA_series acquired from Pier Courage after the 1968 Tasman Series. The second an enhanced P3a model P3A-103-69 was powered by a Lotus twin cam engine for Ian Fergusson which he used in the 1970 Australian Grand Prix and the third P3A-110-70 had an extended engine bay to hold a 179 Holden straight 6 motor for Barry Garner to use in hillclimbs."

ref: http://www.bowincars...ex.php/Bowin_P3

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:23

The Boy Hayje March 731/A(?) is a new one to me (tought it was the Martin Birrane/KB Brabham at first glance!) Doesn't seem to be mentioned on Allan's ORC site, unless I overlooked it.


It finished fifth at Zandvoort: http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=E75F

The car's history is interesting. It only appeared in a handful of F5000 races and actually started life as Ronnie Peterson's March 721G/3 at the French Grand Prix at Clermont Ferrand in 1972 before becoming James Hunt's Hesketh March 731-3 !

Amazing, looking back. With suitable acknowledgements to ORC :up:

Edited by MCS, 04 May 2012 - 07:24.


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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:32

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Anyone know the John Butterworth link to this car? Was he a driver? I ask as we had a teacher at school with the same name who mentioned something to do with F5000...

Great pics on here

#873 Stephen W

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:37

Anyone know the John Butterworth link to this car? Was he a driver? I ask as we had a teacher at school with the same name who mentioned something to do with F5000...

Great pics on here


There was a John Butterworth who competed in Speed Events with a Brabham complete with V8 in the back. It may have been him as I suspect he wasn't short of a bob or three.



#874 MCS

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:14

There was a John Butterworth who competed in Speed Events with a Brabham complete with V8 in the back. It may have been him as I suspect he wasn't short of a bob or three.


Same chap I think, Steve. Lancastrian I believe and a former entrant of John Myerscough at one time as well. Should be those on here who know more...

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:18

interesting thanks, could be him. So I guess he prepared that Lola too...

#876 Alan Cox

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:39

Anyone know the John Butterworth link to this car? Was he a driver?

He was credited as joint entrant, along with Team Embassy, of Guy Edwards in 1974 so, presumably, put some money into the effort. he must have had a connection with Edwards, because he acquired the ex-McKechnie/Mike Walker McLaren M10B in 1971 for John Myerscough, which Edwards drove in the Brands Victory race that year. In 1972 Edwards was entered for most rounds , non-starting or not arriving for a fair few but he did manage a couple of sixth places and one seventh. Also credited as joint entrant with the Barclays International effort in 1973 (info courtesy of Old Racing Cars)

#877 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:15

Would his Brabham have been the one with a Buick V8?

That was a real handful, I'm told, before it got sorted out here...

#878 Alan Cox

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:48

He did hillclimb and sprint a Buick-engined Brabham, Ray. See no.118 on this Harewood entry list from 1969. http://harewoodhillh...p-Hillclimb.pdf
He also had a Brabham-Oldsmobile in which he entered John Myerscough for some 1970 F5000 rounds, described on Allen's site as 'BT11/19 [Hep "A"]' so, presumably, ex-Hepworth?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:05

Maybe we should add an IT'S A SMALL WORLD Thread to TNF ...

I only discovered recently that my sister-in-law has been great friends with Alan McKechnie's daughters Susie & Jane since they were children in the early 70s.

I sent them a link to the TNF thread on Alan and they were delighted to read all the nice comments about their Dad.


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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:37

He did hillclimb and sprint a Buick-engined Brabham, Ray. See no.118 on this Harewood entry list from 1969. http://harewoodhillh...p-Hillclimb.pdf
He also had a Brabham-Oldsmobile in which he entered John Myerscough for some 1970 F5000 rounds, described on Allen's site as 'BT11/19 [Hep "A"]' so, presumably, ex-Hepworth?


Hi Alan

Here is the very car thanks to Norman
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#881 Alan Cox

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 13:07

Thanks, Steve (and Norman). A rare pic of Mr Myerscough perched on the side, too.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 18:23

And a few more

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 18:42

And a few more

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Cheers
Steve



Holy Cow that is what I call a crowd :eek:


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Edited by Phil Rainford, 04 May 2012 - 21:05.


#884 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 22:53

Not much of a crowd in this one...

A totally atmospheric shot, in my opinion, that's why it's the last picture in our book:

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You'll need to get the book to see what's written underneath that pic, but you might be able to guess... the few left in the grandstand, the long shadows, the casual removal of the cars from the circuit, the appearance of everyone else having already gone home.

I felt it told a story.

#885 Wirra

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 00:46

A bit of artistic license there Ray. That photo is likely taken on the Friday when Gardner used the side winglets on the Lola - F5000 had another decade to run. However, that meeting ('71, with Amon the only F1 driver) only attracted 20,000.

Edited by Wirra, 05 May 2012 - 01:04.


#886 Ray Bell

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:26

Oh, yes, I realise that there was still over 11 years of F5000 to run in Australia at that time...

However, it's still very atmospheric. And I suppose that's helped you to guess what's written underneath the pic.

#887 Allen Brown

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 12:01

The Boy Hayje March 731/A(?) is a new one to me (tought it was the Martin Birrane/KB Brabham at first glance!) Doesn't seem to be mentioned on Allan's ORC site, unless I overlooked it.

It finished fifth at Zandvoort: http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=E75F

The car's history is interesting. It only appeared in a handful of F5000 races and actually started life as Ronnie Peterson's March 721G/3 at the French Grand Prix at Clermont Ferrand in 1972 before becoming James Hunt's Hesketh March 731-3 !

Amazing, looking back. With suitable acknowledgements to ORC :up:


Also mentioned o the March F5000 page and on the March 721G pages.

#888 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:23

Is this perhaps the venue to comment?

Talking to John McCormack the other day, the subject of the amount of money that gets spent on 'restorations' and the running of F5000s today came up. I'm sure that a lot of Australian drivers of the seventies had less money to spend on their cars than most of the ones about today cost simply to put them back together.

Money is lavished on them, it's a totally different situation to what we had back then. Reliability used to suffer, races used to suffer, but that's just the way it was.

McCormack, of course, tended to be better-funded than a lot of the others. There were some pretty smelly oil rags around, some people were really stretching their funds just to make it to the track. Leo Geoghegan considered going into F5000 but reckoned it would cost twice what it cost to run the ANF2 Birrana, Grace Bros wouldn't give him that sort of budget so he didn't do it.

Back in 1972, when I first went to work for Racing Car News I expressed my view that the drivers of these cars would go to extremes to be able to compete in such rorty machines. I guess this is the ultimate proof of that statement... that they kept on going out there despite the fact that they were scratching for money, often in a lot of debt, and had to run inferior equipment because their cars got to be quite run down.

I remember one Sandown race when I lost interest in the event and I was with Elwyn Bickley down in the bottom end of the pits. Elwyn was well past being enthused with F5000s and made a comment on one of the car. For many laps, John Edmonds had been running around with a terrible misfire... Elwyn asked, "Who's riding the Triumph?"

Yes, that's exactly what the Repco-Holden sounded like at that time, and I think it was running something like fifth in the race!

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 13:11

Surprise runner at last weekend's Shelsley Walsh hillclimb - Alex Summers newly restored Lola T142 (he was entered in a 'modern' DJ Firehawk which had suffered battle-damage).

I didn't have chance to clock the chassis number .There was a TOAD HALL restorations sticker visible and the car looked as immaculate as anything I have ever set eyes on!


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Chris Drewitt may know more about which chassis this is.

#890 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 14:14

Can someone please give me a positive identification of the car at the
tail of this line, No 17?

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The race was a round of the ARCOgraphite (cough!) series in 1982, the venue
obviously Calder, the date was February 28.

I don't believe it is Mike Trengove, it's not Mel McEwin nor Ken Shirvington
(he's tucked in behind Edwards in this pic).

From the race report I have the names of these drivers:

John Wright, Bruce Allison, Garrie Cooper, Peter Edwards, Tim Slako,
Jon Davison, Rob Butcher, Ivan Tighe, Bob Minogue and Alan Nitschke.
From this photo we know we can add Ken Shirvington and Greg Doidge
to that list, while if it wasn't cropped we'd see a part of the nose wing
of Mel McEwin's Matich as well. That makes thirteen identified cars.

The race report mentions that fifteen cars both started and finished,
so two are 'missing'. Mike Trengove was running in these races at that
time, as was Russell Davidson.

So can anyone tell me who the car bearing No 17 is? And was Mike
Trengove a starter in this event (no, that's not his car unless he changed
the paint scheme after Winton)? If not, who was?

In fact, I'd be very keen to know all the entrants in all of the ARCOgraphite
races... at Oran Park a few weeks later there was 21 of them... though
only nine raced.

PS. I break my own rule about picture size here because I wanted the car
at the back to be identifiable.

Edited by Ray Bell, 09 May 2012 - 14:19.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 14:34

That comment made earlier: about the removing of tall airboxes in later years and it being a mistake ?
I agree. Ray's 1982 Calder shot highlights the certain loss of a 5000 'identity' without at least a few tall scoops in evidence.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 15:54

Can someone please give me a positive identification of the car at the
tail of this line, No 17?


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The race was a round of the ARCOgraphite (cough!) series in 1982, the venue
obviously Calder, the date was February 28.

I don't believe it is Mike Trengove, it's not Mel McEwin nor Ken Shirvington
(he's tucked in behind Edwards in this pic).

From the race report I have the names of these drivers:

John Wright, Bruce Allison, Garrie Cooper, Peter Edwards, Tim Slako,
Jon Davison, Rob Butcher, Ivan Tighe, Bob Minogue and Alan Nitschke.
From this photo we know we can add Ken Shirvington and Greg Doidge
to that list, while if it wasn't cropped we'd see a part of the nose wing
of Mel McEwin's Matich as well. That makes thirteen identified cars.

The race report mentions that fifteen cars both started and finished,
so two are 'missing'. Mike Trengove was running in these races at that
time, as was Russell Davidson.

So can anyone tell me who the car bearing No 17 is? And was Mike
Trengove a starter in this event (no, that's not his car unless he changed
the paint scheme after Winton)? If not, who was?

In fact, I'd be very keen to know all the entrants in all of the ARCOgraphite
races... at Oran Park a few weeks later there was 21 of them... though
only nine raced.

PS. I break my own rule about picture size here because I wanted the car
at the back to be identifiable.


Ray, would you believe I have only recently finished researching this series for Allen Brown's ORC site? The car that looks like 17 is actually 77 and is Russell Davidson's March. The "Davison" that was mentioned in the RCN report was, I believe, really Davidson. Michael Adams was entered to drive the Elfin 815 but I can't confirm whether he started. I have the series tabulated in Excel which I can email to you if it is of interest.

#893 Allen Brown

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 16:40

Surprise runner at last weekend's Shelsley Walsh hillclimb - Alex Summers newly restored Lola T142 (he was entered in a 'modern' DJ Firehawk which had suffered battle-damage).

I didn't have chance to clock the chassis number .There was a TOAD HALL restorations sticker visible and the car looked as immaculate as anything I have ever set eyes on!


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Chris Drewitt may know more about which chassis this is.


It's a T140 Simon, chassis SL140/7.

Lola T140 histories

#894 Stephen W

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 16:52

Surprise runner at last weekend's Shelsley Walsh hillclimb - Alex Summers newly restored Lola T142 (he was entered in a 'modern' DJ Firehawk which had suffered battle-damage).

I didn't have chance to clock the chassis number .There was a TOAD HALL restorations sticker visible and the car looked as immaculate as anything I have ever set eyes on!


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It's a T140 Simon, chassis SL140/7.


The car was run because the DJ wasn't ready due to an engine rebuild from over the Winter. The Lola will be raced by Richard Summers (Alex's father) who can be seen pushing the car (black race suit at left rear wheel).


#895 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 19:19

The car was run because the DJ wasn't ready due to an engine rebuild from over the Winter. The Lola will be raced by Richard Summers (Alex's father) who can be seen pushing the car (black race suit at left rear wheel).

...and Jonathon Hall of Hardy Hall Restorations (who undertook the work) on the other wheel. Jonathon used to be Martin Stretton's No 1 man.

#896 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 19:32

It's a T140 Simon, chassis SL140/7.

Lola T140 histories


Cheers Allen. That would be why I couldn't find it in your T142 histories :drunk:
By the description I guess it's not too surprising it looks so immaculate...

#897 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 21:54

Can someone please give me a positive identification of the car at the
tail of this line, No 17?

Posted Image

The race was a round of the ARCOgraphite (cough!) series in 1982, the venue
obviously Calder, the date was February 28.

I don't believe it is Mike Trengove, it's not Mel McEwin nor Ken Shirvington
(he's tucked in behind Edwards in this pic).

From the race report I have the names of these drivers:

John Wright, Bruce Allison, Garrie Cooper, Peter Edwards, Tim Slako,
Jon Davison, Rob Butcher, Ivan Tighe, Bob Minogue and Alan Nitschke.
From this photo we know we can add Ken Shirvington and Greg Doidge
to that list, while if it wasn't cropped we'd see a part of the nose wing
of Mel McEwin's Matich as well. That makes thirteen identified cars.

The race report mentions that fifteen cars both started and finished,
so two are 'missing'. Mike Trengove was running in these races at that
time, as was Russell Davidson.

So can anyone tell me who the car bearing No 17 is? And was Mike
Trengove a starter in this event (no, that's not his car unless he changed
the paint scheme after Winton)? If not, who was?

In fact, I'd be very keen to know all the entrants in all of the ARCOgraphite
races... at Oran Park a few weeks later there was 21 of them... though
only nine raced.

PS. I break my own rule about picture size here because I wanted the car
at the back to be identifiable.

Thommo? I feel he had a play about then.
The Arco Graphite series effectivly banned the airboxes to make them look more like then current F1s. And to a degree lost the identity of the cars.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 22:15

The Arco Graphite series effectivly banned the airboxes to make them look more like then current F1s. And to a degree lost the identity of the cars.


Or was that around the time that CAMS decreed that airboxes were considered bodywork, and therefore could not exceed a certain height (same as rear wing max height)

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#899 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 22:20

Originally posted by Glenn Moulds
Ray, would you believe I have only recently finished researching this series for Allen Brown's ORC site? The car that looks like 17 is actually 77 and is Russell Davidson's March. The "Davison" that was mentioned in the RCN report was, I believe, really Davidson. Michael Adams was entered to drive the Elfin 815 but I can't confirm whether he started. I have the series tabulated in Excel which I can email to you if it is of interest.


Thanks for chiming in, Glenn...

Jon Davison is mentioned in the previous Calder report, also in the Winton report (mentioning the Myers livery), both Jon Davison and Russell Davidson are spelled out in mentions in the Oran Park report, he was there at AIR (where he crashed) for the final round. He is not mentioned in the Sandown series-opener report.

So to look at the mention in this Calder report, we see that "Davison and Butcher executed a double spin at Glo-Weave..." It appears towards the end of the report, but it is a bit disjointed, could it have happened while Butcher was lapping Davidson? Certainly, there is no mention of Jon in the early part...

"...John Wright was the first to blast away in the Lola T400. Allison slotted the MR8 Elfin into second from Rob Butcher's T332 Lola, then came Garrie Cooper (Elfin MR9), Bob Minogue (Lola T430), Tim Slako (Elfin MR6), Peter Edwards (Lola T332) and Alan Nitschke in the BEGG (sic) FM5/2."

Unless Davo was in there behind Nitschke somewhere and came through to tangle with Butcher as he tried to pass him, I'd agree with your assessment that he wasn't there. And this photo does look like a first lap or second lap pic, doesn't it? So Davo should be in it. Unless Graham Slater missed out on mentioning him in his listing.

I would love to have that Excel list, but I kind of need it right away. My e.mail address is at the bottom of my post, and one more thing... who was Michael Adams and did he ever front up to compete? As in make practice or a race?

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#900 elansprint72

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 22:50

Surprise runner at last weekend's Shelsley Walsh hillclimb - Alex Summers newly restored Lola T142 (he was entered in a 'modern' DJ Firehawk which had suffered battle-damage).

I didn't have chance to clock the chassis number .There was a TOAD HALL restorations sticker visible and the car looked as immaculate as anything I have ever set eyes on!


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Chris Drewitt may know more about which chassis this is.

Lovely car but: what on earth kind of tyres are those? :well: