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#201 Prototype

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 09:32

Here is the link to my homage to F5000, shot both last year and this year at Albert Park and Phillip Island.

Hope you enjoy! www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOjn2VQLKoA



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#202 tinkerwinker

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:03

Just to prove that not all my pictures were of wonderful quality, I foiund these shots from Thruxton 1974 with my brand new Zenith SLR camera, where I hadn't quite worked out the technique of focusing and panning, but a couple of interesting names cropping up.

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Guy Edwards in the Embassy Lola T332

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Damien Magee A. W. Brown Chevron B24

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Roloef Wunderink Tean HB Bewaking Chevron B24

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Bob Evans McKechnie Racing Lola T332

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Chris Craft Adlards Crowne Racing Chevron B24

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Peter Gethin VDS Chevron B28

Like I sadi, not the greatest pictures ever, but a few of the less noted teams

#203 alansart

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:57

Just to prove that not all my pictures were of wonderful quality, I foiund these shots from Thruxton 1974 with my brand new Zenith SLR camera, where I hadn't quite worked out the technique of focusing and panning, but a couple of interesting names cropping up.

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Guy Edwards in the Embassy Lola T332


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#204 alansart

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 13:03

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Damien Magee A. W. Brown Chevron B24

Did Magee have the Chevron before the Lola?

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#205 alansart

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 13:07

I've know I've posted these elsewhere but hopefully they're worth a repeat.

The Tony Dean Chevron at Silverstone.

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#206 Mallory Dan

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 13:10

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Didn't Eddie Keizan have a few goes in the Edwards Lola in '74, and was he in the car at this Thruxton race? Anyone know his connection with Edwards, other than £££

#207 tinkerwinker

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 13:18

Didn't Eddie Keizan have a few goes in the Edwards Lola in '74, and was he in the car at this Thruxton race? Anyone know his connection with Edwards, other than £££


You are right, that was Eddie Keizan at Thruxton 1974, I'd forgotten to check that. I blame on getting old and having a crap memory

#208 alansart

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 13:28

You are right, that was Eddie Keizan at Thruxton 1974, I'd forgotten to check that. I blame on getting old and having a crap memory


I thought the hemet looked odd.




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Posted 25 June 2010 - 14:24

Didn't Eddie Keizan have a few goes in the Edwards Lola in '74, and was he in the car at this Thruxton race? Anyone know his connection with Edwards, other than £££


Eddie ran in Embassy colours for a time in the South African F1/F5000 series, so that is possibly the link.


#210 tinkerwinker

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 15:36

Found a few more F5000 cars, although they were racing in the Shellsport Gp8 series of 1977

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Tom Belso

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Robin Smith

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Keith Holland

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Bruce Allison

#211 picblanc

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 17:48

Great photos TW, I remember the Bob Evans car on the front page of Autosport after the Thruxton race in 74.

#212 picblanc

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 18:05

I dont know when Damien Magee had the Lola, but he had the Chevron @ Brands in 1974.
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#213 picblanc

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 18:07

The Embassy Lola @ Brands in August 1974, with Eddie Keizan as driver.
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#214 philippe7

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 22:31

Those too have been posted ages ago in various now deeply buried threads, so considering the renewed interest I shall without shame re-inflict them upon you...

From Mallory Park, easter '74 . Praktika LTL SLR ( slightly better than the Zenit-E :rolleyes: )

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Bob Evans, Lola

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Mike Wilds, March

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Brian Redman, Lola

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Keith Holland, Trojan

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Bob Evans, Lola

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#215 philippe7

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 22:36

And a few paddock shots from the same day....

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#216 tinkerwinker

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 13:25

Nice shots from Mallory, on and off track

Think I've found the last of my F5000 photos, and including Arnoux's McLaren

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Thruxton May 1974 and as far as I know this was the only appearance of Arnoux in the car, and it blew up in practice

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Two of Guy edwards Embassy Lola, Guy driving this weekend

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Bob Evans' Lola

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and finally Patrick Sumner's Trojan

#217 richie

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 14:13

Nice shots from Mallory, on and off track

Think I've found the last of my F5000 photos, and including Arnoux's McLaren

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Thruxton May 1974 and as far as I know this was the only appearance of Arnoux in the car, and it blew up in practice

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Two of Guy edwards Embassy Lola, Guy driving this weekend

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Bob Evans' Lola

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and finally Patrick Sumner's Trojan



Great shots but none of Chris Featherstone's Lola or McRae?


#218 tinkerwinker

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 14:25

Sorry Richie, I guess in my youthful enthusiasm running round the paddock armed with trusty Zenith, I missed a few.

oh and Phillipe, at that time I thought the Praktica was amuch better camera, it had through the lens metering, I would gladly have swapped.

#219 MCS

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 15:53

And I always thought the McLaren was maroon. Amazing what you don't know!

The Evans Lola shot has Bob talking to Frank Gardner behind the rear-wing...

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#220 Jean L

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 15:57

I remember the McLaren M19 of Arnoux was red at the Race of Champions 1974.

#221 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 17:49

And I always thought the McLaren was maroon. Amazing what you don't know!

Brian Robinson's M19C was maroon, Mark

#222 Tony Matthews

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 18:01

Great photos TW, I remember the Bob Evans car on the front page of Autosport after the Thruxton race in 74.

It made the front cover of Motor Sport too, I think, pictured starting from the front row at Brands Hatch, possibly next to Bret Lunger.

#223 MCS

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 18:53

Brian Robinson's M19C was maroon, Mark


Alan, I meant the ShellSPORT Arnoux McLaren. Apologies for not making myself clear.

These Thruxton pics have thrown up a real treasure trove - the Amon Talon (DNS and never seen again and, in any case, why was Amon suddenly in F5000?!), the only Arnoux appearance (and what's the story there, I wonder?) and so on!

Terrific and thanks once again tinkerwinker for your efforts.


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Posted 26 June 2010 - 19:49

Sorry Richie, I guess in my youthful enthusiasm running round the paddock armed with trusty Zenith, I missed a few.

oh and Phillipe, at that time I thought the Praktica was amuch better camera, it had through the lens metering, I would gladly have swapped.


The quality is poor, sorry folks.



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Chris Featherstone's McRae - Keith Holland driver

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Brian Robinson

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Robin Smith

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John Tait & Jim Kelly






#225 richie

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 19:54

The quality is poor, sorry folks.



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Chris Featherstone's McRae - Keith Holland driver

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Brian Robinson

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Robin Smith

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John Tait & Jim Kelly



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Bob Ellice's Leda- don't think it raced.


#226 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 22:10

A few scrappy examples from the rejects drawer which I haven't posted before because of their indifferent sharpness or exposure but which may be of interest to F5000 afficionados:
Mallory Park 13 October 1974
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Ian Ashley and Guy Edwards lead away from the front row of the grid
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Peter Gethin and Lella Lombardi

Oulton Park 28 March 1975
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Tony Dean - David Purley - Tom Walkinshaw - Dave Walker and Vern Schuppan
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Peter Gethin
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Guy Edwards

..plus two of the Robinson M19C which have been posted before but which have disappeared. It looks rather more like brown in the second shot from 1975 - did he repaint it?
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#227 philippe7

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:06

the Amon Talon (DNS and never seen again and, in any case, why was Amon suddenly in F5000?!), the only Arnoux appearance (and what's the story there, I wonder?) and so on!


Wasn't the Amon Talon really a Mc Rae GM2 , or I am mixing things up and talking complete rubbish ? this is purely from memory...

I can be more precise on the Arnoux question.

René had won the Magny-Cours Windfield racing school "Volant Shell" late in 1972 , the prize was a car and a budget to run in the 1973 Formule Renault Championship, which René duly won, beating very closely a certain Patrick Tambay who was himself the winner of the competitor "Volant Elf" from the Paul Ricard Winfield racing school.

The future then looked bright for René who was duly expecting a continuing support by Shell to move on to F3 , or why not directly F2 since F3 was in a bit of a derelict state in France at the time ( Indeed, at the same time Elf had confirmed their support of Tambay, despite him finishing "only" second to Arnoux in the Formule Renault championship, and promoted him directly to the F2 Elf team for 74. )

Alas, then comes december 73 , the Kippour War, the first oil crisis, and our prime minister of the time ending his speech on how the country was going to try and get through that crisis with all the fuel savings etc....by "and of course, all motorsport activities are suspended from now on " .

Elf didn't change anything to their program ( and rightly so since the ban on racing was lifted fairly soon afterwards ) but Shell france did and cancelled all their sponsorship programs. And Arnoux was left high and dry...

There was of course a lot of aggravation in the french racing press about the situation , and this is when Jabby Crombac used his closeness to Lotus to twist Colin Chapman's arm into signing a test driver contract for Arnoux which never materialised, unlike those signed at the same time with Crawford and Henton which did at least give them a couple of one-off F1 driving opportunities.

So finally, Shell came up with this "brilliant" idea of putting together this deal with Kitchener to run Arnoux in F5000 - which as we know came to nothing and collapsed very quickly .

As an aside, the future which by then was looking very bleek for Arnoux was then saved by François Guiter , Elf's racing activities manager, who despite of having his "stable" already pretty full with the likes of Tambay, Leclère, Cudini, Serpaggi or a young Pironi to name just a few, agreed to give René the opportunity to drive an Elf-2 in two late season F2 races in '74 . He showed well, and Guiter decided ( a little against the house policy, after all Arnoux was coming from the opposition and not a fully home bred Elf product ) to give him a budget to enter the new Formule Renault Europe champonship for 75 as a freelance Elf driver, separate from the official team of Pironi and Dallest. René won the championship, and from then on was on his paved way to F2 and F1 with Elf and Renault backing him .

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 07:55

..plus two of the Robinson M19C which have been posted before but which have disappeared. It looks rather more like brown in the second shot from 1975 - did he repaint it?
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As you are probably aware the 'brown' is mud! This is the main problem with a mainly grass paddock when it snows!

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 09:36

Wasn't the Amon Talon really a Mc Rae GM2 , or I am mixing things up and talking complete rubbish ? this is purely from memory...

Yes, McRae sold the rights of his GM2 design to American Jack McCormack, who built replicas under the Talon brandname


#230 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 10:40

Robinson's M19 was most definitely brown at some point, then maroon before or after. I remember it like yesterday.
See photos in post #175.

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Posted 27 June 2010 - 17:29

Robinson's M19 was most definitely brown at some point, then maroon before or after. I remember it like yesterday.
See photos in post #175.


Been on forum before along time a go, this from Brands 1974.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 18:18

As you are probably aware the 'brown' is mud! This is the main problem with a mainly grass paddock when it snows!

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I think it became brown before the "Shower of sh**e over Cheshire"!


#233 Stephen W

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:50

I think it became brown before the "Shower of sh**e over Cheshire"!


That's a Blaster from the past!

#234 Tim Murray

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:32



#235 Mallory Dan

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:49

In TW's pic of Robin Smith above, is that the ex-Purley AIM racing Chevron B30 behind? Mike Wilds ran it on that occasion I think as a one-off. Shame it wasn't out more ofetn in '77, Wilds could have gone well in it I reckon.

#236 tinkerwinker

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 12:26

In TW's pic of Robin Smith above, is that the ex-Purley AIM racing Chevron B30 behind? Mike Wilds ran it on that occasion I think as a one-off. Shame it wasn't out more ofetn in '77, Wilds could have gone well in it I reckon.


The car was being driven by Evan Clements, realised I actually had a picture that I hadn't posted

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#237 eldougo

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 09:21

Found this T400 Lola pic of Richard Scott back in 1975,I have not seen this livery come up before in this mostly UK thread, it must have come an gone quickly. :wave:


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#238 Tim Murray

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:15

This is the car that started the controversy with the BBC, who refused to cover any race it took part in unless the Durex logos were taped over. This of course led to them virtually ceasing to cover F1 the following year when Durex shifted their sponsorship to the Surtees F1 team. Richard Scott won the F5000 race at the 1975 International Trophy meeting, which led to the Autosport headline 'Scott comes good'.

Edited by Tim Murray, 24 February 2011 - 10:18.


#239 Stephen W

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:37

This is the car that started the controversy with the BBC, who refused to cover any race it took part in unless the Durex logos were taped over. This of course led to them virtually ceasing to cover F1 the following year when Durex shifted their sponsorship to the Surtees F1 team. Richard Scott won the F5000 race at the 1975 International Trophy meeting, which led to the Autosport headline 'Scott comes good'.


When the Durex-Lola made its first appearance at Oulton I remember the commentator saying "... and there goes Richard Scott in the Durex-Lola burning rubber."

The BBC were quiet ridiculous over the ban. Because they knew that Durex was a condom brand they got all prissy but missed Everest, who were sponsoring March F2 cars, and were also condom manufacturers.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 11:51

but missed Everest, who were sponsoring March F2 cars, and were also condom manufacturers.


And there was me thinking that it was the double glazing manufacturer! However, I was well aware what "Private" was, but I can't remember who they sponsored. I think it was a Swedish F3 team rather than a F5000 outfit.

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#241 Julian Roberts

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 14:19

I was well aware what "Private" was, but I can't remember who they sponsored. I think it was a Swedish F3 team rather than a F5000 outfit.


Was it Slim Borgudd ?

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 19:51

Strange, 7 pages so far and not one photo of the Mark Donohue Lolas.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:22

This is the car that started the controversy with the BBC, who refused to cover any race it took part in unless the Durex logos were taped over. This of course led to them virtually ceasing to cover F1 the following year when Durex shifted their sponsorship to the Surtees F1 team. Richard Scott won the F5000 race at the 1975 International Trophy meeting, which led to the Autosport headline 'Scott comes good'.

The F1 version a bit further down the track.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:33

Hadn't heard about the Durex controversy.

Gee Whiz, you could show nakeds on Python.... but not show a product to protect you and her backstage.

And all over a material clearly seen on the tires! (Whoops, "tyres")

All in Good Fun, Folks.

#245 Prototype

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:51

This is the link to my second F5000 film: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOjn2VQLKoA

Enjoy

#246 Tim Murray

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 06:21

Hadn't heard about the Durex controversy.

Gee Whiz, you could show nakeds on Python.... but not show a product to protect you and her backstage.

And all over a material clearly seen on the tires! (Whoops, "tyres")

All in Good Fun, Folks.

In those days 'Auntie' BBC regularly got her knickers in a twist and decided our delicate sensibilities needed protecting. A number of pop records she considered too rude were banned, but not, strangely, Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side, apparently because Auntie didn't understand what 'giving head' meant.

#247 Giraffe

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 09:15

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I always understood Durex to be 'head gaskets for hot-rods'. :cool:

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 10:17

This is the link to my second F5000 film: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOjn2VQLKoA

Enjoy


I think this is the same Dummy Grid as the opening stanza of your film Prototype, it was the Sunday at Albert Park, so may not have been the same day.
Sure was a decent sized field though!


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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:18

Strange, 7 pages so far and not one photo of the Mark Donohue Lolas.


I may be able to fix that shortly.......

#250 jj2728

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 16:25

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