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#351 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 10:29

That's Dublin's Lingard Goulding in his Beattie P1100, a car based on what was left of the ex-Hailwood Lola T142 (SL142/40) he had crashed at Castle Combe earlier in the year. Thruxton was only its second outing, it's first having been a libre race at Mondello Park the preceding weekend. The Beattie was then crashed at Mallory Park 4 Jul 1971 and I don't know what became of it.

I don't yet have a page on the Beattie on OldRacingCars.com which is an oversight. Tony, may I use this picture?

Jim Fitzgerald ( no relation ) told me that '' Mudgard '' abandoned the Beattie at Mallory and has no idea as to what became of it .

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#352 Odseybod

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 11:10

Mike Hailwood raced the Jackie Epstein Lola T190 #3. This is Davey Powell in the Doug Hardwick Lola T142.

Edit: The driver of #31 waving his arms is Lingard Goulding in the Beattie P1100



Thanks (and to Allen Brown) for the corrections - I'll edit accordingly. As I said, my notes were a little sketchy - no excuse, I know - and must say I was wondering how Alan Rollinson finished relatively well up the field after such a start ......

#353 Odseybod

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 11:13

I don't yet have a page on the Beattie on OldRacingCars.com which is an oversight. Tony, may I use this picture?


I'd be honoured - and seems only right as I've used your results page for Thruxton (albeit inaccurately) :)

#354 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 17:25

Tim Close Engineering from Ramsey Cambridgeshire prepared engines for some of the midfield runners, including, I think- Brian Robinson. Anyone know what became of the outfit?

Tim Close now works at Arch Motors in Huntingdon.


#355 Alan Cox

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 17:36

Great shots from the early era :up:

Hesr, hear, Tony. Some lovely photos here. I always thought that Howden Ganley chose a really smart livery for his M10B.

#356 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 18:07

Good shots..and notice the starter at Thruxton with the Union Jack is Grahame White. I believe that F5000 event is the one you can see in colour home movie on youtube by Roy Pagliacci.

#357 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 21:55

Fourth from the right in the Start shot, Harry The Lurker .

#358 Giraffe

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 22:00

Fourth from the right in the Start shot, Harry The Lurker .


And I'm certain that's Sid Taylor standing above him with the stopwatch, Edward! :eek:

#359 Giraffe

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 22:03

They're off - Peter Gethin gets the power down:

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Sid watches while Harry lurks...............................


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#360 Allen Brown

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 08:10

I'd be honoured - and seems only right as I've used your results page for Thruxton (albeit inaccurately) :)

Thanks Tony!

#361 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 09:13

Sid watches while Harry lurks...............................


full marks didn't spot Sid

#362 oldtransamdriver

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 00:41

While doing some research with my CP/Autoweeks I spotted the following ad Nov. 9, 1974:

Lola T332. 4th Fastest Qualifier Laguna Seca 1974. Complete with Alan Smith fuel injected engine. All latest mods and ready for next season. Will sell complete or less engine. Best Offer.

Jerry Entin, 1213 Verbena Drive, Palm Springs CA ph. etc

Robert Barg



#363 beighes

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 20:38

While doing some research with my CP/Autoweeks I spotted the following ad Nov. 9, 1974:

Lola T332. 4th Fastest Qualifier Laguna Seca 1974. Complete with Alan Smith fuel injected engine. All latest mods and ready for next season. Will sell complete or less engine. Best Offer.

Jerry Entin, 1213 Verbena Drive, Palm Springs CA ph. etc

Robert Barg


Perhaps, he can remember (painfully) what it sold it for?

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#364 Giraffe

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 20:43

Perhaps, he can remember (painfully) what it sold it for?

Steve


Probably nothing as it was chassis #HU37, Vern Schuppan's from Laguna Seca that Tony Brise put the wind up everyone with at Long Beach in 1975, still for Theodore Racing.

#365 Marc Sproule

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 21:05

Schuppan drove an Eagle at Laguna in '75...

http://www.flickr.co...157626135973193

Brise drove this car at Laguna in '75....

http://www.flickr.co...157626135973193

http://www.flickr.co...57626135973193/

I have no idea what the chassis number was on Brise's car in these snaps.



#366 Giraffe

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 21:13

Vern drove the advertised car (#HU37) at Laguna Seca in 1974 (see ad). Tony Brise only drove the same chassis in 1975 Marc.

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#367 RA Historian

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 23:00

Maybe I am missing him completely, but I don't see Carl in that photo.
Tom

#368 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 23:05

You don't see him?

Maybe you can smell his cigar?

#369 Marc Sproule

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 01:25

My guess is that Haas is the man behind the pit wall, just behind the guy who looks like a USAC official by the rear of the car, on the right. Hard to tell for sure.

I do know for a fact that it's Graham Donaldson, the mechanic, bending over the left side of the rear wing. He's an old friend whom I got to know when he was working in the Atlantic series in the later '70s.

With any luck at all, I may have a snap of Schuppan from Laguna in '74, buried somewhere in my archives.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:01

My brother tries in the moment to build a DN6 from Yank Models. There are parts where he has no idea where they are supposed to go because the building directions are terrible.
I have a talk with him the next time I see him (might take some time). I think it's mostly the rear suspention.



Duc Man,

I have a 1975 DN6. Maybe I can be of assistance. Let me know your questions.

Dennis

#371 Giraffe

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 07:11

Carl Haas checks out Tony Brise's Lola


Sid Taylor told me it was Carl & it looks a bit like him to me; best check with Jerry. The rest of the set & Jerry's comments following here:

http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=4506039


It may well not be Carl, but I refer back to one of Marc's pics from that weekend for the resemblance:

http://www.flickr.co...57623186807369/

Edited by Giraffe, 13 April 2011 - 07:48.


#372 Duc-Man

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 07:59

Duc Man,

I have a 1975 DN6. Maybe I can be of assistance. Let me know your questions.

Dennis


Thank you for the offer.
Like I said before: I talk with him when I see him next time which is hopefully this weekend. I let you know then what the problem is.


#373 RA Historian

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 14:59

I still do not think that is Carl. Granted there is a resemblance, but the hair is a tad too long, the face a bit too young, and the shirt does not match up to what Carl would be wearing. Plus, no cigar in his mouth and Carl ALWAYS had an unlit stogie stuck in his chops.

Close, but no cigar.

Mea culpa...

Tom

#374 Jerry Entin

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 00:41

Tony: That isn't Carl Haas. It is Julian Randles bent over and Kerry Agapiou and Graham Donaldson. And of course Sid Taylor behind the car.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 15 April 2011 - 10:54.


#375 Giraffe

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 08:10

Vern drove the advertised car (#HU37) at Laguna Seca in 1974 (see ad). Tony Brise only drove the same chassis in 1975 Marc.

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Carl Haas checks out Tony Brise's Lola



Tony: That isn't Carl Haas. It is Julian Randles bent over and Kerry Agapiou and Graham Donaldson. And of couse Sid Taylor behind the car.


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I presume that Cliff Startin (whom you identified in this pic) is on the other side of the lens for the first photo? Were you able to make contact with Cliff or his son during your recent trip to California, Jerry? Oh, and what was the story behind you advertising the Lola for sale from your place in Palm Springs?

Edited by Giraffe, 15 April 2011 - 08:12.


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Posted 24 April 2011 - 17:50

Duc Man,

I have a 1975 DN6. Maybe I can be of assistance. Let me know your questions.

Dennis


Could you post some detail shots of the front and rear suspentions please? Best would be without tires.
Thank you.
Frank

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 04:50

Probably nothing as it was chassis #HU37, Vern Schuppan's from Laguna Seca that Tony Brise put the wind up everyone with at Long Beach in 1975, still for Theodore Racing.


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Giraffe, Whilst tidying up some files I came across CAMS vehicle log book showing the HU37. The pic was sent to me by Teddy so that a registration application be set in place for the 1976 Tasman (Peter Stuyvesant Series) to be the ID for that car. Logged as Theodore Racing at (my then PO Box) serial number N3542 dated 29/1/76. Two race entries inside. Oran Park 31/1/76 and Sandown 13/2/76. I retained custodianship of that book for Teddy. Jerry E. might well be the one crossing between Teddy and the car with board in hand. looks like Laguna pit road to me, which would mean the '74 race that Vern (in car) drove.

#378 Giraffe

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 06:03

Oh, and what was the story behind you advertising the Lola for sale from your place in Palm Springs?


Jerry's response:

"We tried to sell the car so Sid could buy a fresh one for the next season".


Obviously there were no takers........

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Giraffe, Whilst tidying up some files I came across CAMS vehicle log book showing the HU37. The pic was sent to me by Teddy so that a registration application be set in place for the 1976 Tasman (Peter Stuyvesant Series) to be the ID for that car. Logged as Theodore Racing at (my then PO Box) serial number N3542 dated 29/1/76. Two race entries inside. Oran Park 31/1/76 and Sandown 13/2/76. I retained custodianship of that book for Teddy. Jerry E. might well be the one crossing between Teddy and the car with board in hand. looks like Laguna pit road to me, which would mean the '74 race that Vern (in car) drove.


Thanks for that Kevin. It could be Jerry but best confirm that with the man himself. :wave:


#379 E1pix

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 07:13

Nothing like a little F5000 to start one's week in the proper manner.

A few of my first shots of pro racing, all but one from Road America, 1976 (age 15-16):

Road America, Turn 5:
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Pocono Raceway, Pit Lane:
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Road America, Turn 5:
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Road America, Paddock:
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Road America, Turn 13:
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Road America, Turn 13:
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Road America, Turn 5 Runoff Road, an extremely patient and tired F1 and F5000 driver (Thanks, Brett!):
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 10:06

Great PIX thanks.

Have you any of the 3 Lola T430's that were on track in the 76 series? Brown, Pilette and Gethin plus Redman doing the work.

Thank you in advance if you have..........

#381 Jerry Entin

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 11:49

Kevin has a keen eye. it is me with the timing board. Ducked down talking to Vern Shuppan is Ron Bennett and on the front left is Don Schnieders in the front of the car with hat on is Teddy Yip. We also had Michele Weismann doing the timing for us.

I believe we qualified around 4th. While pushing the car to the grid for our heat race, Vern fired the engine and a bolt from the air box fell into it damaging the head. We couldn't run.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 25 April 2011 - 19:51.


#382 Duc-Man

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 11:57

That sucks! :cry:

#383 RA Historian

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 15:41

Have you any of the 3 Lola T430's that were on track in the 76 series? Brown, Pilette and Gethin plus Redman doing the work.

I have quite a few, as I shot three separate F-5000 races that year.
Tom

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 18:56

Great PIX thanks.

Have you any of the 3 Lola T430's that were on track in the 76 series? Brown, Pilette and Gethin plus Redman doing the work.

Thank you in advance if you have..........


Thanks, I just PMed you.


#385 MCS

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 19:41

Great photos, E1pix :clap:

I had forgotten that Schuppan swapped the Eagle for a Lola. Marvellous - more please!

#386 E1pix

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 20:57

Great photos, E1pix :clap:

I had forgotten that Schuppan swapped the Eagle for a Lola. Marvellous - more please!

Thank You, glad you're enjoying them. I don't have nearly enough, I think I shot maybe 4 rolls over the entire two weekends! (Oh, the humanity!)

Yes, it seems with the improvements of Lola's T332-C that the Eagle just got behind a bit. I was bummed when I saw AAR going to the Lola.

The coolest part of these for me as a young kid was shooting them the first of two RA weekends that year, and selling prints to many of the guys on the second weekend. Got me going....

Leaving the Paddock, Pocono 1976:
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Road America, Turn 13:
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Road America, Paddock:
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Road America, Turn 5:
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Road America, Turn 5:
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Road America, Turn 5:
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#387 MCS

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 21:04

Wonderful.

Keep them coming!

#388 JacnGille

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 00:23

Wonderful.

Keep them coming!

Yes, please!

#389 kingswood

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 05:17

Yes, please!

Great pictures thanks E1pix

#390 E1pix

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 05:54

Great pictures thanks E1pix


Thanks to you all as well! I, too can't get enough of this fabulous series of my youth....

And to you mates Down Under with your re-birthed Tasman Series, Lucky, Lucky, Lucky!!! Whomever made that resurgence happen so successfully should be knighted!

I'm scanning some Black & Whites as well and will also post more color images soon.... just don't want to be accused of hogging the Thread!

Thanks Again.

#391 JacnGille

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 14:56

.... just don't want to be accused of hogging the Thread!.

That'll never happen!

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 03:58

Maybe I am missing him completely, but I don't see Carl in that photo.
Tom

Tom: isn't that Carl with the Baseball cap with the logo on it standing to the left. I don't think Carl started the Cigar "look" until later in the CART racing era

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:13

Tom: isn't that Carl with the Baseball cap with the logo on it standing to the left. I don't think Carl started the Cigar "look" until later in the CART racing era

Ron N


I think that's a USAC official, they co-sanctioned the Series in the latter years.


#394 Jerry Entin

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:16

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Kerry Agapiou on left Sam Winston and Jody Scheckter and Jerry Entin on right
This is Monterey in 1973.

Sam Winston was a great sponsor, as has been said earlier, he was very mad when Mark Donohue came into the series in 1973 at Mid Ohio and was allowed to practice in two sessions. Sam did want the Trojan withdrawn from the race, it wasn't and Jody won that race.

Sam Winston was killed in a Jeep accident on Interstate 80 in 1995, I believe it occured about 40 miles west of Salt Lake City, Utah. His new wife Demetra was driving the Jeep and he was thrown out.

Earlier it was speculated that the front tires on the Trojan deflated, this wasn't true. It was the front tires on the Lola T-330 at Atlanta that deflated. This was the first time the car was run by the Team. The front wheels were made wrong. Nothing was wrong with how Jody drove the car.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 27 April 2011 - 11:16.


#395 E1pix

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 11:26

Earlier it was speculated that the front tires on the Trojan deflated, this wasn't true. It was the front tires on the Lola T-330 at Atlanta that deflated. This was the first time the car was run by the Team. The front wheels were made wrong. Nothing was wrong with how Jody drove the car.


Jerry:

Was that the yellow, #12 T-330 that was rented from Bob Lazier, as Jody also used at the Glen? (if memory serves).


#396 Giraffe

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 13:23

Jerry:

Was that the yellow, #12 T-330 that was rented from Bob Lazier, as Jody also used at the Glen? (if memory serves).


Bob Lazier's car that Jody borrowed to drive to victory was T330 (HU20). The car that Jody has issues with at Atlanta & beyond was T330 (HU24).

Jody told me that he never had problems with the Trojan's front tyres as he never used them because the car was always sideways!

Edited by Giraffe, 27 April 2011 - 13:32.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 16:31

Tom: isn't that Carl with the Baseball cap with the logo on it standing to the left. I don't think Carl started the Cigar "look" until later in the CART racing era

Ron N


Ron, been through that earlier this thread. Jerry Entin identified him as Julian Randles. See Jerry's post below:

Tony: That isn't Carl Haas. It is Julian Randles bent over and Kerry Agapiou and Graham Donaldson. And of course Sid Taylor behind the car.



#398 Giraffe

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 16:46

Vern drove the advertised car (#HU37) at Laguna Seca in 1974 (see ad). Tony Brise only drove the same chassis in 1975 Marc.

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Ha! Julian is bent over and partially obscured. The Carl Hass looky- likey remains anonymous Tom!

Here is Julian pictured recently at Ralph Broad's memorial

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Edited by Giraffe, 27 April 2011 - 16:49.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 20:14

Ah, yes, I see. Same church, different pew. Thanks Tony.

Fellow may have been different, but the fact remains that neither is Carl Haas.

Tom

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#400 E1pix

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 20:46

Jody told me that he never had problems with the Trojan's front tyres as he never used them because the car was always sideways!


Hence.... Happy Memories! :up:

Thanks for the info, Jerry.