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#1 phinorman

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 20:49

Hi,

I'm searching pics and caracteristics of Rawlson # 27 entried by Goodwin Racing and driven by Ivor Goodwin and anither driver during 1000 kilometers of NĂĽrburgring 1975 (only during training sessions).

Thanks in advance.

Philippe Vogel

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#2 phinorman

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 09:55

Hi !

My request is still valid ; a pic, informations, name of the co-driver who has crashed the car during practice (it seems to be driver of Angola), colour, engine, tyres brand.

Thanks in advance.

Phinorman

Originally posted by phinorman
Hi,

I'm searching pics and caracteristics of Rawlson # 27 entried by Goodwin Racing and driven by Ivor Goodwin and anither driver during 1000 kilometers of NĂĽrburgring 1975 (only during training sessions).

Thanks in advance.

Philippe Vogel



#3 Frank de Jong

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 10:06

According to this site the co-driver was Mike Beuttler...

#4 phinorman

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 12:09

Hi Frank !

OK in this site but Ivor Goddwin said me that was not him during practice but an angolan driver ; he doen't remember his name.

Thanks with my best regards.

Phinorman

Originally posted by Frank de Jong
According to this site the co-driver was Mike Beuttler...



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Posted 29 August 2007 - 16:00

In Autosprint is second driver "Lamara"

#6 phinorman

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 21:02

Thanks to you Sat !

Do you have precisions about the car ?

Phinorman

Originally posted by sat
In Autosprint is second driver "Lamara"



#7 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 23:52

A search for Rawlson in my database reveals 6 entries, From LeMans 73 through to NĂĽrburgring 75. Three times it did not appear, At the 'Ring it did not qualify. In LeMans 73, the entry was refused. It only raced once, at Silverstone 74 in an Interserie race.
73 Owner/Entrant was Promoto, drivers Emile Elias/Jean Bellec
74 Owner/driver was John Gillmeister entering John Winfield and Johnny Blades as Co-drivers
75 Owner/driver was Ivor Goodwin, co-driver either Mike Beuttler (DNA?) or possibly Lamara.
From the rather sketchy data it looks like a 2 litre Cosworth engined car. In 73 and 74 the type number is given as CR10, while for the LeMans race in 73 CR11 is mentioned. Probably incorrect.

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 05:06

Hi Henk !

Thanks for your fine precisions.

With my best regards. Phinorman

Originally posted by Henk Vasmel
A search for Rawlson in my database reveals 6 entries, From LeMans 73 through to NĂĽrburgring 75. Three times it did not appear, At the 'Ring it did not qualify. In LeMans 73, the entry was refused. It only raced once, at Silverstone 74 in an Interserie race.
73 Owner/Entrant was Promoto, drivers Emile Elias/Jean Bellec
74 Owner/driver was John Gillmeister entering John Winfield and Johnny Blades as Co-drivers
75 Owner/driver was Ivor Goodwin, co-driver either Mike Beuttler (DNA?) or possibly Lamara.
From the rather sketchy data it looks like a 2 litre Cosworth engined car. In 73 and 74 the type number is given as CR10, while for the LeMans race in 73 CR11 is mentioned. Probably incorrect.



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Posted 30 August 2007 - 17:16

Running on memory I recall Jose Maria de Uriarte who is listed as being Angolan and he is shown as sharing a Lola T294 with Peter Hanson and Richard Scott at the 1975 Nurburgring 1000 clicks.

However I am sure I've also spotted somewhere a Jose Uriarte who was given as Spanish.

Certainly the WSPCR websites quote Goodwin/Beuttler as does Wimpffen, but in those days neither entry lists or actual drivers were guaranteed. In some cases individuals raced other cars for different teams in the same event above and beyond their original entrant.

#10 Frank de Jong

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 18:35

I've got him listed as Jose de Uriarte from Spain which he said is correct - I've been in touch with him about his touring car escapades.

#11 phinorman

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Posted 30 August 2007 - 19:32

Hi all !

Thanks for your precisions.

I think it's "Larama" and not "Lamara" as it is used in this web page:

http://sportscarclas...t/HS_Angola.htm


With best regards.

Phinorman

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Posted 31 August 2007 - 17:27

Originally posted by Paul Parker
...However I am sure I've also spotted somewhere a Jose Uriarte who was given as Spanish...


Didn't Uriarte race for Roger Heavens ?

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 01:18

The Rawlson was the work of Mike Rawlings, originally based 28 Castle Street, Dover. Unfortunately, I do not have any information as to his current whereabouts.

No idea what CR1 through to CR6 were but CR7 apparently appeared in 1969. It was nothing else than a re-bodied Lotus 23 but there seems to have been a second purpose-built car for Gerry Marshall delivered in April 1970. Engines have originally been in the 1000cc / 1100cc / 1150cc brackets.

The ex-Marshall CR7 apparently passed on to Mike Yeomans in 1971, now powered by a 1600 T/C (while said to be awaiting an FVC for 1972).

CR8 was intended to be a 2 liter Gr6 car for 1972, CR9 a simplified 1300 cc "club" version. It is interesting to note that Jacques d'Heur (of Méan fame) at Liège was Mike's agent in Belgium at the time (together with Bernard Carron in Paris).

The 1974 car (and I reckon that's the one which we refer to when speaking about the 1975 1000km race) was, in fact, CR10 - powered by a BDG with FGA transmission. At that time Mike's premises have been given as Coombe Valley Road, Dover.

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 14:04

In reply to MCS.

Yes I think he did, but am currently away from references and have not the time to wade through various websites. Uriarte was certainly a 2 litre regular for a while, but I'm trying to recall if there was another period driver listed as Angolan.

As ever, somebody on here will know. Frankly I think you lot should pool your collective knowledge/antidotes and get a professional scribbler to write a book. It would surely be the most interesting and possibly best informed tome ever!

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 20:03

Hi all repliers !

Many thanks for your fine informations.

I hope to find a precise pic about Rawlson # 27 in 1975.

With my best regards.

Phinorman

#16 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 16:07

The second driver at the Nurburgring, according to Autosport was Manuel Larama, but the car's front suspension broke on the first corner of the first lap of practice...

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 16:45

There were two Rawlsons locally - Vancouver. One went to England about three years ago and was being rebuilt by John Goldsmith the Aston Martin man although it is owned by friends Allan and Amalia Richardson. This car has a 5 litre Traco Olds and ran CanAm driven by David Saville-Peck who lives on Vancouver Island-he had an horrendous accident in the car and quit racing. The other car is still raced locally by Ian Wood and this also now has an Olds/Buick aluminium V8 although I think it may have been intended for a BDA or BDG originally to be driven by Gerry Marshall at LeMans? Anybody know more about this car?

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 20:08

Hi Jjeremy !

Many thanks for your fine precisions about Larama and his crash.

With my best regards !

Phinorman

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
The second driver at the Nurburgring, according to Autosport was Manuel Larama, but the car's front suspension broke on the first corner of the first lap of practice...



#19 phinorman

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 20:10

Hi David !

Many thanks for that. I know photos of Saville Peck on through the web.

With my best regards.

Phinorman

Originally posted by David Birchall
There were two Rawlsons locally - Vancouver. One went to England about three years ago and was being rebuilt by John Goldsmith the Aston Martin man although it is owned by friends Allan and Amalia Richardson. This car has a 5 litre Traco Olds and ran CanAm driven by David Saville-Peck who lives on Vancouver Island-he had an horrendous accident in the car and quit racing. The other car is still raced locally by Ian Wood and this also now has an Olds/Buick aluminium V8 although I think it may have been intended for a BDA or BDG originally to be driven by Gerry Marshall at LeMans? Anybody know more about this car?



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#20 r.atlos

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 21:12

Originally posted by David Birchall
The other car is still raced locally by Ian Wood and this also now has an Olds/Buick aluminium V8 although I think it may have been intended for a BDA or BDG originally to be driven by Gerry Marshall at LeMans?

I cannot see that it ever made it to Le Mans but it clearly was thought at the time it could have taken more power. Now, from a 997 cc Ford to a V8 Olds - that's what I call a career !

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 01:52

Hi !

Please look after http://www.yesterday...C... Peck 8.htm !

You'll see Costello Can Am car driven by David O' Saville Peck in 1974. The car was built with the help of rawlson ; it's the same bodywork than Rawlson CR10.

With best regards.

Phinorman

#22 David Birchall

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 00:11

Originally posted by r.atlos
I cannot see that it ever made it to Le Mans but it clearly was thought at the time it could have taken more power. Now, from a 997 cc Ford to a V8 Olds - that's what I call a career !

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Autosport ad, 12/11/1970


I have just been informed that it is not the car in this advt--The car in Vancouver is a CR11 from about 1972. I was given incorrect info before apparently.

#23 phinorman

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 01:52

Hi !

Anyone can it send me Rawlson CR11 wheelbase (mm) front and rear tracks (mm) and weight (kg)?

Thanks in advance.

Phinorman

#24 Michael Rawlings

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 20:35

Quite unexpectedly I came across this piece on Rawlson a month or so ago. I built the first Rawlson with James Henderson in 1961 hence the name. James sadly drowned and I was joined by Barry Sheppard in the late sixties, Barry and I built a number of sports racing cars including Can Am cars. I am still very much involved in the industry and am still advising vehicle manufacturers throughout the world. My company has recently been building Moslers and one of my young engineers rebuilt a CR11 which now is raced in US historics in the hands of Ian Wood. When time permits I will try and throw more light on the interesting questions that have arisen from this thread.

#25 phinorman

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 04:32

Hi Michael !

Thanks in advance for your next informations about yours cars. I had have contact with Ivor Goodwin who was one of the driver of Rawlson CR11 during NĂĽrburgring 1975 1000 kilometers.

I saw your rebuilt car in Internet and with photos, I think it's the ex-CR11 of Goodwin (blue adn after yellow bodyword).

See you later with best regards.

Phinorman

Originally posted by Michael Rawlings
Quite unexpectedly I came across this piece on Rawlson a month or so ago. I built the first Rawlson with James Henderson in 1961 hence the name. James sadly drowned and I was joined by Barry Sheppard in the late sixties, Barry and I built a number of sports racing cars including Can Am cars. I am still very much involved in the industry and am still advising vehicle manufacturers throughout the world. My company has recently been building Moslers and one of my young engineers rebuilt a CR11 which now is raced in US historics in the hands of Ian Wood. When time permits I will try and throw more light on the interesting questions that have arisen from this thread.



#26 phinorman

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 03:57

To Michael Rawlings,

Happy new year to you and your family !

I'm finishing my book about Mike Beuttler. Can you confirm me that the car of Ian Wood is the car driven by Ivor Goodwin in 1975 ?

To all eraders !

I try so a pic of the #27 Rawlson CR11 at Nurburgring 1975 1000 kilometers (only in practice before car crash).

Thanks in advance.

Phinorman

#27 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 16:46

As they say you learn something new every day as I never knew my late dad drove a Rawlson (I'd not even heard of it before!!).

Really helps me out, as I've been compiling a list of Dad's races and in his diary for 1970 there are five entries saying Rawlson and the result and I thought it was some kind of race and now I know it was actually a car. Out of those five races I don't think he finished a single one though!!

The only reasons I can think of him driving one was he did the Spa 1000kms in a Brabham BT8 and it must have got him interested or John Wingfield (his friend and business partner) bought it, I don't know though.

Can anyone point me in the direction of where to find out more on Rawlsons and any chance anyone has any pictures?

#28 Michael Rawlings

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 20:36

Good Evening Gregor, your Dad was our works Rawlson driver, his retainer was in a liquid form which we all agreed was most satisfactory and enjoyable! Unfortunately at the time we were using cast off 1,000cc F3 engines so we did have just a bit of a power to weight problem and the engines kept crying enough. However your Dad always put his heart and soul into it and I will always remember him overtaking a GT40 on the outside going through the old Woodcote flat out in the rain, magic. I got to know your Dad several years earlier when I was racing and he was driving a TVR for Martin Lilley then of the Barnet Motor Co. John Wingfield was a partner of mine in a boat building company. I always wished that we could have found the cash to build a Rawlson worthy of your Dad's talent. Let me have your address and I will try and find a photo(s) for you.

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 21:25

Originally posted by Michael Rawlings
Good Evening Gregor, your Dad was our works Rawlson driver, his retainer was in a liquid form which we all agreed was most satisfactory and enjoyable! Unfortunately at the time we were using cast off 1,000cc F3 engines so we did have just a bit of a power to weight problem and the engines kept crying enough. However your Dad always put his heart and soul into it and I will always remember him overtaking a GT40 on the outside going through the old Woodcote flat out in the rain, magic. I got to know your Dad several years earlier when I was racing and he was driving a TVR for Martin Lilley then of the Barnet Motor Co. John Wingfield was a partner of mine in a boat building company. I always wished that we could have found the cash to build a Rawlson worthy of your Dad's talent. Let me have your address and I will try and find a photo(s) for you.


Michael, thank you so much for replying and WOW. I thought I knew as much as there was to know of Dad's racing but this is one thing I never knew and I never heard Dad mention in my 30 years so it is fantastic to hear/read. I mentioned it to my Mum the other day and she said "Gregor, just remember what your Dad was like; even though we had two young daughters then he still did exaclty what he wanted and I had no say at all", which I can well imagine!!

Knowing Dad he would of loved it and as I said above he certainly kept records of it so it must have meant something to him, I wish I had of known to ask him about it. Any ideas where the car (or any Rawlsons) is now??

I'd love to know more about the Rawlson; I posted above that I really cannot believe Dad bought one unless it was a px of something John Wingfield wanted and Dad drove it; can you shed any light on that?

As you can probably tell, I am really interested to know, especially as it was "your" car so to speak. I'd love a picture of Dad in the car; my address is 65 Valley Green, Hemel Hempstead, Herts, HP2 7RF.

If you'd prefer to contact me through that or gregor@gregormarshall.co.uk that would be great as I have loads of questions about the Rawlson, sorry!!

Also, thanks for the kind words about Dad driving the car, that means a great deal and I wish more people could read/see that; everyone seems to think Gerry Marshall was famous because of Vauxhall and that's rubbish; firstly Dad was never famous, he did his bit, but his exploits in Minis, Lotus Elans, TVR Griffiths and Lotus 61FF made him well-known and the Vauxhall thing enhanced it. As I said; who knew he raced the Rawlson, especially in 1970? The Viva GT was just taking off but sounds like the Rawlson was a great bit of kit and helped with the reputation, especially the GT40 story!!

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 21:45

Mon Cher Monsieur Vogel
I regret that I have been unable to reply to you earlier as my wife insisted on my having a new study built, at least I can now have pictures of Rawlson's on the walls. Unfortunately I am unable to confirm that Ivor Goodwin was running the Rawlson CR11 at the Nurburgring in '75. We did run the car at the Ring with John Gillmeister driving in either '72 or '73 probably an Interserie race. I think this would have been the last race we did, shortage of funds yet again, before selling the car to Roger Hurst of Lenham Hurst who probably sold it on to Ivor Goodwin. At long last the CR11 is showing it's true potential superbly prepared and driven by Ian Wood and as I write this there is a picture on the wall of Ian in the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca ahead of a Porsche 907 and a Lola T70 3B.

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 01:25

Originally posted by Michael Rawlings
At long last the CR11 is showing it's true potential superbly prepared and driven by Ian Wood and as I write this there is a picture on the wall of Ian in the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca ahead of a Porsche 907 and a Lola T70 3B.


Ian Wood has taken the CR11 to New Zealand with the Can Am group and should have this first run at the Ruapuna track at Christchurch this weekend in the Skope Classic.

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 00:52

Right - This is from the inside of Dad's 1972 diary and the writing on the front seems to say "Libertordes Rawlson"; I don't know if that's correct and I don't know if that's the car Dad raced in 1970 but it must be for him to keep a picture. Personally I thinks it looks a lovely car (the wheels and tyres could be a bit bigger!!) and I'd love to hear from anyone with more detail.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 19:32

Hi Michael !

Many thanks for your informations. I'm now sure that Ivor Goodwin was the owner of Rawlson CR11. Here a pic with the car behing Alroy Racing March 75S at Nurburgring 1975.

http://sit.photos.or...nge.fr:8080.gif

I hope this photo can be helpful for you.

Brst regards from france.

Philippe Vogel


Originally posted by Michael Rawlings
Mon Cher Monsieur Vogel
I regret that I have been unable to reply to you earlier as my wife insisted on my having a new study built, at least I can now have pictures of Rawlson's on the walls. Unfortunately I am unable to confirm that Ivor Goodwin was running the Rawlson CR11 at the Nurburgring in '75. We did run the car at the Ring with John Gillmeister driving in either '72 or '73 probably an Interserie race. I think this would have been the last race we did, shortage of funds yet again, before selling the car to Roger Hurst of Lenham Hurst who probably sold it on to Ivor Goodwin. At long last the CR11 is showing it's true potential superbly prepared and driven by Ian Wood and as I write this there is a picture on the wall of Ian in the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca ahead of a Porsche 907 and a Lola T70 3B.



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Posted 05 January 2009 - 05:52

Hi Michael !

Have an happy 2009 !

My book about Mike Beuttler is beginning to be printed but 4 datas about your CR11 are not available for me :

wheelbas, front and rear tracks and weight. Are you able to sent me these ones ?

Thanks in adavnce. It's now possible to insert these datas in the book.

With my best regards from france.

Philippe Vogel

#35 ianwoodesq

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:50

Hi Philippe,
I own the Rawlson CR 11.
I meet with Barry Sheppard when in England & by coincidence my son Hayden worked for Mike Rawlings a couple of yours ago.
I can get you the diamensions of the car in a couple of months, when it is back together. I have copies of the original CR 10 drawings too, from which the CR 11 was built.
For now I can tell you the car when I first saw it was 2 tone blue with a separate full width wing hanging off the gearbox.
The engine was a BDD Cosworth with a FG 400 gearbox.
Brabham uprights & wheels 13", 10" wide front & 14" rear. The car uses Formuls Atlantic tyres Goodyear,Hoosier or Avon.
4 piston AP calipers front & rear, the rear calipers are inboard.
I have installed an Olds/ Rover engine with the help of Omnitech Engineering they have a website with lots of pics.
The car handles very well, quite neutral & is difficult to get sideways.
When we have run the Rawlson in a quite Can Am groups, we usually finish in third or better. Maybe for that reason (or they say the car never originally ran in Can-Am in "the day") our entries are denied to some Can-Am events.
I too am looking for some original pics. of the car as I plan to return it to it's original paint scheme.
Thank you for your interest in my car.
Cheers
Ian

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 15:50

Mon Cher Monsieur Vogel
I regret that I have been unable to reply to you earlier as my wife insisted on my having a new study built, at least I can now have pictures of Rawlson's on the walls. Unfortunately I am unable to confirm that Ivor Goodwin was running the Rawlson CR11 at the Nurburgring in '75. We did run the car at the Ring with John Gillmeister driving in either '72 or '73 probably an Interserie race. I think this would have been the last race we did, shortage of funds yet again, before selling the car to Roger Hurst of Lenham Hurst who probably sold it on to Ivor Goodwin. At long last the CR11 is showing it's true potential superbly prepared and driven by Ian Wood and as I write this there is a picture on the wall of Ian in the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca ahead of a Porsche 907 and a Lola T70 3B.


I've unearthed a couple of pics of the Rawlson when John Gillmeister raced the car

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Photos courtesy of John Gillmeister.


#37 phinorman

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 17:29

Hi Giraffe 138 !

 

I'm very sorry to reply now because I'm seeing your pics this day !!!!! As I'm preparing a new publishing of Privé de gloire, is it possible to use one pic for the book ? Thanks in advance.

 

Best regards from France ! Philippe Vogel



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 17:31

Hi Ian(woodesq) !

 

I'm very sorry to reply you now ! As for Giraffe 13 I'm seeing your post; Many thanks for your precisions about your pretty car.

 

best regards from Normandy ! Philippe Vogel