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#1 petestenning

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 06:02

I am new to this forum and am in the process of researching the Lola T70 Mk3 & 3B.

I have been using John Starkey's books as a reference which we know has some areas that are not a clear.

I have been able to gain some info on the whereabouts of cars and alleged chassis no's.
I know we have a poster from Lola Heritage can he or anyone explain why some cars appear to be rebuilt using a chassis no well before the original ? ie original 151 then rebuilt as 143 an example of what i mean not using the real chassis no's.

I have received recently pictures of a T70 in Australia being used in the Phillip Island Historic meeting.

I would also like to know how many Continuation T70's have been built and where they went Britain or abroad.


I fell in love with the T70 when i was a 16yo at the Snetterton Easter meeting 1969, where i saw the late great Paul 'Hawkeye' Hawkins win from fellow Lola man through and through Joachim Bonnier . :love:


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#2 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 13:27

Some T70s pictures from Historic events at Spa and the Nürburgring:


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#3 kayemod

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 13:43

Great pics Pedro. I'm not much of a Lola fan, mainly because of too much contact with the miserable old bugger who ran the Company in those days, but the T70 Mk 3 & 3b were magnificent beasts.

#4 macoran

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 16:04

No matter what the thread subject, I am always amazed at Pedro's pics.
What would life be like without a camera ?

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 17:05

Yes, indeed, that are very fine photos again, Luc!

Many greetings!

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#6 petestenning

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:07

Great Pictures , thanks for sharing.

When i can upload some pics i have of SL76/149 taken by a contact in Melbourne Australia of the car taking part in the 2005 Phillip Island historic meeting i will.

This car was originally sold to the Grand Bahama Racing Car team headed by Mike D'Udy and also driven by Frank Gardner.

Gardner practiced the car at Snetterton April 69 but had a suspension failure which meant it was a non starter.

He did however give the Ford Falcons a run for their money in the Alan Mann Ford Escort TC later in the day. :cool:

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#7 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:23

Thanks guys, here are some more Lola pictures (also some CanAm spyders) from pit & grid :

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#8 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:26

What would life be like without a camera ?


Dull.....

#9 macoran

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:28

Originally posted by Pedro 917


Dull.....


Wow, what a library you must have shot over the years :up: :up:

Do you write and publish ?

#10 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:34

To Jerry Entin :

Hey Jerry, I've bought a Program on ebay from a race in Mexico City in March 1968 were you are entered in a Lola Mk III. Did you race there and can you give us some comments?

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#11 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 20:54

Hi Marc,

I've written once or twice and I did some shooting for an Old Timer Magazine in Belgium and for Autocollezione (on Vic Elford's special request). It's a great hobby and I love my camera but I have a very busy and time consuming job that's preventing me from attending more meetings. I'm intending to go free-lance, not for the money but out of passion. On many occasions, I've sent my pictures to the organisers for free just as a token of my appreciation. It's a pity that most of my pictures stay hidden om my hard disk as I love to share them. Since I went digital in 2003, I must have taken thousands of pictures (Spa, Nürburgring, Zolder and especially Goodwood's Festival) and there are some real beauties amongst them. When a thread like this pops up, I always try to share some pictures. I really love the Historic race meetings as they always bring back some fond memories of my childhood heroes and cars (I guess that's what they call nostalgia...).

#12 Jerry Entin

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 21:20

Hi Luc: I have told a pretty good story about the Mexico City USRRC on the Chuck Parsons site. Thanks for showing the program. This isn't about racing but I think the forum members will get a kick out of this one. We were told don't drink any water and defintely don't eat at any roadside stands or restaurants other than our hotel while we were in Mexico City. A fellow on the Carl Haas team named Ralph started buying drinks off a vendor in the park across from our hotel. Ralph said we were chicken for not trying the great drinks. The next day I saw them taking Ralph away in an ambulance. I went up to him and said. "Hey Ralph what should I tell that guy with the cart you buy your drinks off of when he comes around looking for you? " He wasn't laughing!
Mexico City was a fun race. it was won by a friend of mine named Moises Solana. Moises was sadly killed in 1969 in a Hillclimb event in Mexico. He was an ex Jai-alia player and a very nice guy and great representative of Mexico.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 22:36

Here is a photo from my collection taken at Daytona.

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#14 Pedro 917

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 22:39

Well Jerry, I've been in Mexico some 13 times now and I've never had any troubles whatsoever.
Everybody's always warning me about the "Tourista" but I always manage to stay healthy. I hope it stays that way.....
About Solana : I know Carlos Jalife has a project on writing his biography too.
I'll have a look at the Parson's site now.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 23:59

Originally posted by petestenning
I have been using John Starkey's books as a reference which we know has some areas that are not a clear.

Starkey's early books on Lola and the T-70 did leave something to be desired, especially in the chassis identification department. Having said that, I understand that he is now immersed in a big project that promises to tell us a lot more about each T-70. Perhaps someone on this thread will be able to tell us more about what he is doing, because it does sound very promising.

#16 Jerry Entin

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 00:16

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RA Historian: There is a very nice article written by John Starkey that they have up on the Lola Heritage site. Gerald Swan does a beautiful job on the Lola site. Above photo is Sid Taylor in his Lola coupe in the day. Here is John Starkey's story on the T-70.
http://www.lolaherit...6/036_page1.htm
photo lent site Gerald Swan- Lola Heritage Trust.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 00:49

Originally posted by Pedro 917
To Jerry Entin :

Hey Jerry, I've bought a Program on ebay from a race in Mexico City in March 1968 were you are entered in a Lola Mk III. Did you race there and can you give us some comments?

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Thanks Pedro for sharing this programme!

:-)

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:58

At Laguna Seca Monterey Historics, 2004:


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Posted 18 April 2007 - 08:57

Great Pictures :clap:

These cars are just great, I am still prepping the bodywork on mine for painting but just can't get over the shape.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:41

Originally posted by Pedro 917
Hi Marc,
When a thread like this pops up, I always try to share some pictures.


I have noticed and I really appreciate it :up:

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 15:35

Pedro 917

(Not sure how to do quotes)...

"...I've bought a Program on ebay from a race in Mexico City in March 1968..."

In this thread, "grimeheel" (Mike Martin) was asking about this program. Have you been in touch with him?

http://forums.autosp...highlight=USRRC

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#22 Pedro 917

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 16:35

No I didn't but I will tonight :up:

#23 petestenning

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 17:34

What a wonderfull collection of photos of the worlds most enduring sports car, along with memories that help keep this alive.

Thank you to all those who contribute.

Pete :)

#24 Jerry Entin

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 18:12

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Pete: This is a Lola Mk3 , I ran it in the USRRC series and in the CanAm in 1968. It had an Al Bartz 365 cu in engine that put out about 530 hp.
Luc: when I took this car to Mexico City it had a thrust button on the front of the cam break. Kerry Agapiou who was helping me, pulled the engine out of the car in the pits and Al Bartz the engine builder fixed it with a brass thrust piece a fellow who happened to be at the races made for us at his shop. I never ran one lap on the track before the race and had no idea which way it went. On the pace lap was the only time I had been on the track. It took quite a while to figure it out. I did finish the race though. Thanks to Kerry Agapiou's hard work and Al Bartz chipping in.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 18:43

Jerry, at that altitude, how many of those 530 Bartz horses survived?

#26 Jerry Entin

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 19:02

Kayemod: It was pretty equal for everyone. The main trouble was the fuel they wanted to give you in Mexico was called Pemex. It was a yellow color and very low on octane. A regular pickup truck rattled it's brains out on that stuff. You had no choice there. Pemex was the only fuel avaliable. I was warned about this and brought down my own fuel supply. This would have been a very big advantage if I had been able to practice on the course.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 20:11

Originally posted by Jerry Entin
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RA Historian: if you go to the Lola Heritage site. Look in the scrapbook. There is a very nice article written by John Starkey that they have up. Gerald Swan does a beautiful job on the Lola site. Above photo is Sid Taylor in his Lola coupe in the day.
photo lent site Gerald Swan- Lola Heritage Trust.


Superb photos, what a stroll down memory lane, thanks for posting guys. I used to see these cars so often in the '60's especially the Sid Taylor car, usually driven by Denny Hulme. The T70 is such a beautiful car in all guises, the Penske car looked superb in its rich paint job, did it ever come to Europe, or more specifically the UK?

Great Pictures! The Starkey book has superb pictures also, I loved Bonniers colours :up:


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#28 Jerry Entin

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 12:11

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Carl Haas's Lola T-70 team at Kent, Washington 1968 in the USRRC race. Cars finished 1-2. With Chuck Parsons and Skip Scott driving.
photo Gil Munz-scanned for site Ike Smith.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 18:15

Thanks to all for posting these...and any to follow...pix. The T70 in any form is one of my all-time favs. :)

Just to clarify, is the proper designation 'T70' or 'T-70'?

Jerry: Glad you mentioned Skip Scott. Whatever became of him? I mean, he was doing a bully job for quite some time in the Essex Wire GT40, the Drummond McLaren M1's...along with teammate, Peter Revson...and subsequent work in the Lola in the USRRC but seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth with incredible rapidity. I never knew quite what happened here? Any data, svp?

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 18:37

Jerry

At the Kent, Washington 1968 USRRC, Scott was first and Parsons second, right? And you were there too, right? Looks like Parsons to the right taking a picture with his digital camera??? (I wonder what he is really doing). And I believe in the background is the T70 Mk.2 that Tony Settember drove for Marv Webster. Tony was back for the Historic race at Kent a few years ago.
The pit lane in the photo is now part of the track so they can avoid the drag strip. The rest of the course is pretty much the same. A friend was at the historic race at Kent last weekend. He said they have cut down the trees in the paddock.

Vince H.

#31 Jerry Entin

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 00:41

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Vince you are right on all counts. Skip Scott did win that race. I myself was running 3rd in it and had a slight crack in one of the engine cylinders open up and caused the engine to let go. I think I was knocked down to 9th. They gave apples away after the race and they were huge. Double the size you see in a store. Skip Scott did race for Bill Kay and later Drummond racing. Peter Revson was his team mate. After the 1966 season they bought new McLaren's for the 1967 season. They traded their old Mk 2's to Carl Haas and bought Mk3's. Skip Barber bought one of the Mk2's and I bought the other. Kerry Agapiou was the head mechanic for the team in 1966 and 1967..Howden Ganley also worked on the team in 1966. For 1968 Skip Scott drove on the Haas team as partner to Chuck Parsons. Peter Bryant had put a deal together for Skip Scott to race an Eagle in Formula 5000 in 1969. That deal came apart and Peter Bryant went on to make the TI22 car for the CanAm. I am not sure what if any racing Skip Scott took part in after that. I also don't believe the camera to be a digital one in 1968.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 14:30

Found some more from the Spa Historic GP 2006 :

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#33 petestenning

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 20:33

Jerry,

Youre Lola mk3 that you ran in 68, can you tell which chassis No this was?, how long did you keep the car and if you sold it on who too.?

Same goes with the Carl Haas cars are they still state side?


Sorry for all the questions . It looks like you enjoyed these cars when you raced them, did you find the handling of the open cars as good as Denny Hulme reckoned the Coupes were.



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#34 Jerry Entin

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 22:31

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Pete: I sold my car to a friend of mine Eric Hauser. He also bought 3 other T-70's. I don't remember the ID#'s of my car. I bought my car off of a fellow named Marvin Webster who lived in the Mill Valley area of California. I kept mine for the racing season of 1968 and than sold it. Eric Hauser also owned the ex Dan Gurney car and Kerry and Charlie Agapiou's car. The Lola T-70 was a very nice car to drive. I don't know were the ex Carl Haas car of Chuck Parsons is. The picture above is the ex Skip Scott car from 1968 in the ArrowLane Restoration shop in Scottsdale, Arizona being restored. Ike Smith from the original Haas crew is helping with the restoration
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 23:03

Marv Webster ran a T-70 in the 1967 Can Am. Bill Eve drove it at Road America. This must be the car that Jerry drove in 1968. I seem to recall that one of the Haas cars was sold to Bob Nagel after Nagel wrecked his McKee MK 7.
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Posted 20 April 2007 - 23:22

I'm especially fond of the T70 that appeared in George Lucas' first feature film THX 1138. I'd still like to know who drove it and what chassis number it was.

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Posted 22 April 2007 - 19:01

I have a listing i am making of the chassis no's i know exist.

I have original sale where know. and hopefully in time the where abouts of those still existing along with who drove them and thresult they gained.


The help from those who have posted is greatly appreciated.

Still have not worked out how to post my pics, imageshack is playing up .

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 21:12

My research has so far come up with the following data for the Lola T70 mk2 's


Current where abouts/owner etc

SL71/18 Paul Wilson
SL71/19 Fred Larson
SL71/20 John Bendall
SL71/23 Denis Galland
SL71/25 Yvan Mahe
SL71/32 James Glickenhaus
SL71/34 Johan Woerheide
SL71/36 Ross Greenville
SL71/?? Russell Rike



Source mainly Lola heritage

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Lola T70 MK3

SL73/101 67 Racing Car Show car,Surtees/Hobbs with Aston Engine/Ecurie Bonnier 68/Jim Beach 69 now Chevy engine.

SL73/102 Sid Taylor Racing 68,69/John Woolfe Racing 69/Bernd Seidler 70/Currently Anders Hedborg
SL73/103 John Mecom
SL73/104 John Mecom
SL73/105 Mike De Udy 69/David Prophet 69
SL73/106 John Mecom
SL73/107 John Mecom
SL73/108 John Mecom
SL73/109 John Mecom
SL73/110 Carl Haas through John Mecom
SL73/111 Yongue Rosqvist 67
SL73/112 Jackie Epstein/Paul Hawkins/ Tim Stock 70/Currently Andre Bailey
SL73/113 Max Wilson fitted with BRM engine
SL73/114 John Mecom
SL73/115 Carroll Shelby
SL73/116 Taki racing Japan
SL73/117 James Garner? A.I.R. Daytona Winner 1970,Mark Donohue/Chuck Parsons
SL73/118 Schmidlin-Wanger ?
SL73/119 USA / Peter Revson driver?/ currently Graig Jones
SL73/120 Carl Haas/ currently Jules Moritz jnr
SL73/121 Team Surtees 'Aston' Entered by Lola Cars/Jackie Epstien 68
SL73/130 Taki Racing Japan
SL73/131 American Interbational Racing,7th Daytona 1970/Scooter Patrick/Dave Jordan
SL73/132 Sports Cars Unlimited Paul Hawkins/Ulf Norinder 68
SL73/133?
SL73/134 Sid Taylor Racing 68/Tech Speed Racing Chris Craft/Eric Liddell69

Can anyone confirm the presents of these cars or the current owners of the missing cars by chassis no, or any other information about the cars or drivers.


I will add the later T70's MK3 B' soon
Pete

Updated 24/7/2007

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:14

See www.CULTspostscars.com for pictures and details on some of the serial numbers you ask for.

Regards, David

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:18

Sorry www.cultsportscars.com will workhttp://www.cultsportscars.com

#41 Tomas Karlsson

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 09:01

"SL73/111 Yongue Rosqvist 67" - His name was Yngve Rosqvist. A Swedish Fjunior champion in the sixties. But his wife Evy became more known internationally.

#42 RA Historian

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 11:56

Originally posted by Lola T70
Sorry www.cultsportscars.com will workhttp://www.cultsportscars.com

Interesting site, but as usual one has to be careful sorting through things in order to separate the real from the not-so-real.

Also see one of my peeves on that site: one of the cars is stated to be "concourse ". The way it is spelled must mean that the car is perhaps in an airport terminal or under the stands at a sports stadium? I'll wager that I see that word misused more often than I see the correct term. But that is just me nitpicking.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 18:00

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Hi!

My name is Eddie Hill and I'm in Wichita Falls, Texas. I bought SL 73/117 in Jan. 1974.

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1974 Texas license plate showing.

It was the second place car in 24 hrs. Daytona '69, driven by Lothar Motschenbacher/ Ed Leslie. James Garner's American International Racing team.

Sci-fi movie THX 1138 car, driven in close-ups by Robert Duval, and in action scenes by Jon Ward.
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With modified body panels to simulate turbine power, and police lights, etc. Put back to standard after the movie.

I've never raced it or hurt it in any way (other than engine problems) and I use it as a road car very occasionally. Maybe 1000 miles ? in the last 33 years. Still has the same paint it had 33 years ago, when I bought it. And it still looks good.


I haven't driven the car since this photo was taken.
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Posted 03 May 2007 - 18:44

Originally posted by biercemountain
I'm especially fond of the T70 that appeared in George Lucas' first feature film THX 1138. I'd still like to know who drove it and what chassis number it was.


Hi. :)

It was SL73/117. Robert Duval drove it in the close-ups.
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Jon Ward drove it in the "Burnout/spin around in a circle" scene, and the other hi-speed scenes.
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Besides being the stunt driver, Jon rigged the special body panels to simulate turbine power, police equipment, etc., and returned it to James Garner's AIR livery after filming.


I bought the car from Jon in 1974
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It has been such a joy over the last 33 years, just waxing it and showing it to friends, and taking a ride on special occasions- We made a lap around town, with a police escort!, after our wedding ceremony! :clap:

Haven't driven it since this shot-
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Later-

Eddie :D

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 20:29

Eddie-

regards to you and Ercie from Tom Gee, formerly of Diamond P. Glad to see you still have the T70.

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 23:39

THE Eddie Hill?...great to have you aboard!

http://www.eddiehill...acingcareer.htm

You live in Wichita Falls, Texas? Do you know Lloyd Ruby? How is he doing?

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada

#47 Jerry Entin

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 02:36

Glad you have joined the forum Mr. Hill. The members really enjoy hearing from the owners of these cars and they especially enjoy being able to see the pictures of the cars in the day and how they are now. Not to push you, but I think you would enjoy Vintage racing your Coupe.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 04:46

A few photos of Lolas from Watkins Glen during Vintage racing weekends (2002 -2006.)


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Please don't ask about the formatting. I've tried everything from "page sourcing" to html, and all else, but still can't get the "thumb nail" pictures to table and line up correctly on this site (Very, Very Frustrating!!!) :(

#49 petestenning

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:42

Welcome Eddie,

Thank you for sharing your car with us , and its nice to see the cars now looking just like they did in their heyday.


So that is another car i can confirm the present day existance of.

If i had a car museum it would be full of Lolas , well i can dream cant i. :love:


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Posted 04 May 2007 - 15:10

Originally posted by teegeefla
Eddie-

regards to you and Ercie from Tom Gee, formerly of Diamond P. Glad to see you still have the T70.


Hi, Tom.

Regards to you as well, from Ercie and me!

Miss seeing you guys!

Both of us with the Lola on our wedding day!
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Take care-

Eddie @ Ercie