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#101 dretceterini

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 02:44

Spark is now doing models in 1/87

http://www.mafma.com...her=1&motsclef=

High Tech Modell also does some 1/87 in kit or built up, but they are very expensive. Here is a link to the kits

http://www.mafma.com...=1&motsclef=new

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#102 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 05:45

:wave: Rob , I have mailed you.

Stu ,these Spark models between 1993 and 2005 (?) are fantastic ! Talk about detail in this scale !
High Tech models are great ,yes, so are the prices too! Thanks all.

#103 Barry Boor

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 06:57

Here is a link to BIG 6.



Please excuse my ignorance but what is a Jaguar K-type?

#104 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:16

:clap: You win the BIG prize Barry ! The right to put up another question !

:lol:

PS . Thats why I wanted to know more !

#105 Rob Ryder

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:09

Posted on behalf of Bjørn ... part of his collection :)

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#106 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 23:38

:wave: Thanks for that Rob. Its weird to look at ones old rubbish this way. But the pics are alittle better this time. The next ones should be made by a genital camera!

The first for boxes were made over 40 years ago ! The last one shows LM 57 , 62 , 62 (made 40 years ago )and 64 approx.

#107 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 08:49

The next ones should be made by a genital camera!


Now, that WILL be interesting!!! :eek:

#108 P4Replica

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 09:51

Originally posted by P4Replica
.... (and figured out how to use my camera's Macro settings, properly :blush: ) ....

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
The next ones should be made by a genital camera!

Perhaps that's why I'm having problems with the macro settings on mine. :confused: :lol: :rotfl:

#109 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 06:19

:wave: 2 great winners ,I knew some would catch it , perhaps the only visitors ,but you forgot to comment my (poor) pictures !

#110 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:29

:wave: Has one of you seen SAI models in your modelshop ? Perhaps especially a frenchman ?

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 08:12

If this has been done, forgive me!

http://www.87thscale...list_part-3.htm

It may help, it may not ;)

#112 f1steveuk

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 17:57

or if this one has been done, but a nice little BMW CSL in there

http://www.87thscale...o/bs_design.htm

#113 Gerard Gamand

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 18:11

Bjorn,

I cannot reply in your email. I don't know why ?

I've ask a specialist in Lyon and he said to me that he have no longer SAI models, because 1/87 is a very little market.

Sorry

#114 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 12:51

:wave: Thanks Gerard , I mailed you yesterday , got a failure notification today! But thanks for the answer!regards Bjørn

#115 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 06:14

:wave: You can get the Auto Union and Mercedes Benz record cars from the late 30es in different versions
from Artapo !

#116 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 23 September 2007 - 09:13

I finally got the Schuco Piccolo MAN 415 1957 -69 transporter . Decent model allthough its mostly a heavy lump of metal , but money forbids me to byuy the High Tech one !

Awaiting some Alfettas from the Czech next week !

#117 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 19:59

:wave: Want to know a bit on transporters ?

Just Google : 8W

#118 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 21:18

:wave: For 2008 Schuco Piccolo is doing the Team Lotus/ GLTL /JPS /Texaco F2 transporter , wich one is not sure yet , I have seen a form !

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Posted 23 December 2007 - 22:53

Hi all Interesting thread this.

I am building up a periond HO layout from the 40's. I am looking for some Kurtis Kraft Speedway Midgets.

Can be either kits or complete cars. Any tips or advice most appreciated.

Merry Christmas to all. :wave:

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#120 dretceterini

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 00:44

Originally posted by fredeuce
Hi all Interesting thread this.

I am building up a periond HO layout from the 40's. I am looking for some Kurtis Kraft Speedway Midgets.

Can be either kits or complete cars. Any tips or advice most appreciated.

Merry Christmas to all. :wave:



I think someone made them in 1/43rd, based on the old Monogram 1/24th scale plastic kit....but I don't know of any in 1/87th....

#121 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:15

:wave: Hi fredeuce. Micro Machines some years ago made a Midget (white with red starsprangled nose),
together with an early Indy car in light blue (looking a bit like an E.R.A. ) approx 1/87 scale ! I have sometimes looked at eBay , but not found them. I have 2 of each , the midgest might do for an Austin , and the other"ERA" I really would like some more of! :smoking:

#122 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 12:00

:wave: I expected myself to be a kind of 1/87 specialist ! But I cannot find any news for 2008 on the Scuco Piccolo models ? :blush:

Neither on the supposed Transporter and vans etc. from Spark and/or Red-Line in 1/87 of course !

#123 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 06:02

Further 2008 Nuremberg news :

Schuco Piccolo : Team Lotus Transporter , probably also the GLTL version ! I have told them of the JPS and Texaco F2 as well as the Cooper versions.

Spark/Red-Line models : Ferrari transporter (Bartoletti ?) and other racers and vans.

Brekina : Porsche 956L's : American 100's - Lowenbrau - Fortuna meaning there are now 15 different available. 6 917's + 3 in the Piper set is available

Masterpiece is bringing a very detailed Bugatti T35 amongst

Editions Atlas , sofar a double pack from France on French older models are to launche their models singlewise meaning perhaps you can get the Alpine 110 and Facel Vega ( this not a racer but Rob Walker and Trintignant had them).

CMW Mini Metals are releasing some nice Ford tankers as well as pic-ups for your diorama etc.

Add to these all the many sedans , trucks etc. from various years starting around 1930 till today !

Oh, by the way , I am used talking to myself , but should any of you feel to intervene , please do !

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 08:29

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Oh, by the way , I am used talking to myself , but should any of you feel to intervene , please do !

Hey Bjørn, that's ONLY three posts in succession - I have had threads where I was the only poster for months! :D Just ramble on until they tell you to stop... :lol:

#125 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 09:24

:wave: Well , the record on this thread is 5 in a row , and I was trying to beat that untill you interrupted !
But I saw your philosophy to Jim Thurman too , so at least we get to know each other a bit ! :smoking:

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 23:24

http://farm3.static....55608cee0_o.jpg

Someone mentioned Micro Machines-Here is what I`ve done with them. I super detailed them into Mid 1950s Sprint Cars.

http://www.flickr.co...57603650016417/

this link will take anyone interested in my 1/87 scale race car Modeling. The Watson Roadster Chassis,a sprint car with body panels removed, and the body panels and Offy engines are scratch built.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 09:37

Hi Buildy , beautifull made models , and well shown !! Do you have any sources where to get the models from Micro Machines ? :smoking:

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 17:08

Hello Bjorn,

Thanks for the compliments.

Those Micro Machines have been out of production for around ten yrs. I used to go to all the stores buying them up. Even when they were out they were sort of hard to find. I have a stock pile,but there are still lots of cars I want to do in the future. If someone were skilled with resin cast mold making they could probably cast these bodies in Resin.
Sometimes these Micro Machines show up for sale on e-bay.


The dirt champ car was originally produced as the Ruttman 98 1952 Indy 500 winner. It is a bit undersized for a Champ car,but right on the money as a 1/87 scale Midget race car. I build Midgets,sprints and Champ Dirt cars out of them,as I am more interested in what cars I can replicate,not whether they are in exact 1/87 scale.
I cut the toylike wheels off and use 1/87 scale auto wheels sets from Herpa. I make the drivers from 1/87 scale army soldiers,and custom Lettering by cutting up model RR decal sets.


Best regards,


Tony De Seta

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 06:46

:wave: Hi Tony,
Just had another look at your pictures , even better now ! The no.98 looks a bit as the one I have coming together with an older INDY car in light blue with a red stripe carrying no. 9 with 1 exh.pipe on left side ! Ever seen that ? I am searching for that one. I have a couple of time had a look on eBay , but never seen any of them !

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 11:55

Hi Bjorn,

Yes, I used those cars for the 1921 French GP winner Jimmy Murphy,and for the 1915 Stutz Indy Team.
Micro Machines modeled that car after the Phil Shaefer Buick Indy racer of the early 1930s.
Those cars were even harder to find than the other micro machines Indy cars.





http://farm3.static....548050a2e_o.jpg


This is actually the car you speak of,heavily modified into the 1921 French GP winner. I used Jordan Products Ford model T Wheels,the fuel tank from the Ruttman car,exhaust from the Ruttman car,etc.


http://farm3.static....93e844a7e_o.jpg

These are the cars you asked about,also. I used the Jordan Model T wheels and Axles,steering wheel,gear selector levers etc.

With a bit of creativity,quite a few of the early racers can be made from this car.

Micro Machines also did the 1967 Gurney Eagle(Indy version) which is nice,but way undersize for 1/87 scale,more like 1/100 or so I think. I have a ton of those. Also the Kurtis Kraft Indy roadster,which is undersized,but still makes a nice model. I modeled a KK Midget roadster from that one.

http://farm3.static...._8a9129c340.jpg

The red car is a KK Midget racer made from the Micro Machines Indy Roadster....





They also did two or three versions of a 1980s Sprint Car which is nice when Modified. I have a huge pile of those,too.

Best Regards,

Tony D.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 15:43

:wave: Wauw Tony , these tiny machines looks just gorgeous , about time you showed them ! Now I know why I cant find "my" Micros on the net : YUO HAVE THEM ALL !
I have put my eyes on 1934-39 , but I also want to do transporters.

Could you show your 2 "tons of " models ? Do you have tons enough to sell ? I thought of perhaps the Eagle could do for a F3 ?

Thanks Tony

#132 Buildy

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 16:25

Hi Bjorn,

Yes,the Eagle is one I could part with some if I can find them :blush:

I put them into storage "somewhere".

I never thought of F-3,but they might work nicely for just that!


http://farm3.static....231d50137_o.jpg

Here is a comparison with a 1/87 exact scale Indy Eagle 1973.

I just got out my 1/87 scale ruler,and the MM eagle is 9ft 6 inches long(114 inches) and 30 inches wide at the cockpit.
You probably use metric. I`b be curious if this is clse to correct for a mid 60s F-3 car?


The interesting part is the nose to front of cockpit looks right,but MM seems to have dropped the engine in where the rest of the cockpit should have been :mad:
too bad they didn`t do these models in exact 1/87 scale,but alas,they were just kiddie toys so they didn`t care.

Where are you located?

It is neat to talk to someone interested in the 1/87 racers!

Hopefully I can find them and send you a few Eagles. I will take some photos of the other cars they did,maybe some of them can be made into something nice.

#133 Buildy

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 19:16

Hi Bjorn:

Here are some of the modern MM cars-The 1967 Eagle,the 1990s Indy car(1995 according to MM) This one is 11ft long and 4 ft wide at the sidepods. The cockpit is really tight,would need to be modified.

The other car is a tiny(9ft long) F-1 car from the 80s?

Let me know if any of these are suitable for F-3, FF etc. I am intrigued at the possibilities.


http://farm3.static....72e4eedc9_o.jpg


And Bjorn,this set is the "Holy Grail" of MM sets the #36 Pro Circuit 500. Produced in 1996.

http://farm3.static....5732b68e4_o.jpg

There were four or five different sets which had some of these cars.



You are right,that no 9 is very ERA or Early Maserati looking to me,too.
I use them for early Indy cars,and as they are scarce as Hen`s teeth,I am looking for more of those my self....

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 19:27

The "green meanie" I think is supposed to be a Williams FW07?

My brain may be fooling me but didn't MM do a series of land speed cars as well?

Buildy, I have to concu on your construction, SUPERB!!

#135 Buildy

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 19:31

Thank you very much!

I really like sharing photos of my models with people who enjoy this sort of thing!

I will check on the speed record cars. I know they did some Dragsters.


That Williams gives new meaning to "Micro" !! It is SO tiny..... :mad:

Just think if they would have been to correct scale.....

#136 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 06:45

:wave: Tony , again some fine pictures and comparings ! Great. The super MM box I never saw , living in a small town (30.000 inh.) in Danmark , but still the 2 I got are there !
I am glad you recognize no.9 to the same as me ! A bit short at the back , but if you have nothing else. Real oldies can prhaps be easier scratchbuild , but its still a lot of work. I have been searching for someone who could cast the body in resin or the like , that would do. In exact 1:87 I have Auto Union from , MBW25 (a bit too fat) , AR Alfetta , Maserati (too fat) ,Bugatti (only T35), and "my" ERA/small Maserati .Enough to do something in the years 34-39 !
The Eagle I suggested for F3 needs some work at both ends ! But still.....(again)!

Did you ever buy the 2 from Walthers (old Indys) ?

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 12:32

Hi Bjorn,

What old Indys did Walthers do, I`m not familiar with them. Do you have photos of them?

I know Innovative products did a cast metal 1920s car like a sprint car,but I haven`t gotten any of them yet.





http://farm3.static....7df80cce5_o.jpg

Here is the Innovative Products car.I would put a smaller exhaust on mine as that is way oversized.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:05

At least in their 2006 catalogue , Walthers , showed a picture of 2 "old" indycars , perhaps late 20s , at the price of around 15 or 20 US$ a pair. I dont have the cat. or the name of the manf. but a look through their website might do the job. I should have the pic. in my files , but no ! Sorry :(

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 14:58

I bet they were those innovative products cast metal cars. They aren`t listed in the Walthers website as of now...


If they were not those cars,I would be VERY interested to know more about them.



http://www.truckstop..._order_auto.php

Bjorn,here is a link to the JL Innovative racers if you are interested. Several Miller racers competed in GP racing at times in the 20s......

I need to order a set or two and see what I can do with them. I think I will use the Busch wire wheels from the Mercedes SSL racer,although I wish I could buy those wire wheels separately like the wheels I got from Herpa.

I think with some detail parts such as better steering wheels from Jordan,better wheels and careful detailing,they might turn out very nicely. The price isn`t too bad at around $5.00 each plus shipping.

Between those cars and the MM #9 I might be able to build a field on Millers and Duesys for my Early Indy/board track collection.

Best,

Tony D.

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#140 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 15:22

:wave: Hi Tony , I am pretty sure thats the one , only I seen it b/w only!

Do you mean 2 for 10 and still available ? I gotta how some then for early 30es !

Thanks tony....oh just come to think of one made in Germany by "Cursor" some years ago , heard of that ?

This is the first time ever I share a bit on 1/87 racing ! (apart from those who contributed here of course).

Just had a look more on your link , seems JL also does the dragsters !



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Posted 26 February 2008 - 15:31

Hi Bjorn,

As far as I know,they are still available from Truckstop models here in the U.S.(the link I provided.) Looks like two cars for $9.89. Not bad.

Walthers probably jacked the price up if I know them-LOL.

Those cars look like they have some possibilities with upgraded bits,as the parts look thick and clunky to me.

The built up one by someone in our 1/87 club(that red one in a prior post I provided) looks good except for that stove pipe sized exhaust.

http://farm3.static....7df80cce5_o.jpg this one.... Looks like he used Jordan Ford Model A wire wheels to me...

I never heard of the Cursor Indy-do you have any pics?? I wonder if Wiking or Herpa ever did any old Indy cars?

Best,

Tony

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 15:42

Hi Bjorn,

Here is a link to the actual Manufacturer of those cars. The look much better in this photo displaying classic Miller bodywork of the early 1920s C 1923.



http://www.jlinnovat...YyNLFHNFtZ6t4mE

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 15:55

:wave: Hi Tony , you are pretty much into this , and fast too ! I belive those JLs are quite good at that price . Could do for some other with some mods and right paint etc. And the US$ is very low now , so the postage might not fel so heavy. The Cursor was a brown palstic MB 1928 SSk without wheelwings , but was only a short time there. Many small mans. have started and promised a lot but all gone again. Herpa only ever did a couple of modern F1s a couple of years ago (Ferrari and Sauber) and Monogram did the Indys of course . I have some of those if you are interested. Wiking once did in what was in theeir 60s scale rather 1/90 than 1/87 : MB F1 Streamliner 1954 , Cooper F2 1959 , Vanwall F1 1957 and Lotus Ford 1965/or 67.

Miller by the way also did the Avusrennen and Tripolis GP in 1934 ! :smoking:

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 16:11

Hi Bjorn,

If you have photos of any of the cars you mentioned,I would love to see them!

Here is the prototype for the JL Innovative car,although it would take a lot of work to get it looking this Good!


http://farm4.static....ba1a8ecf8_o.jpg



Best,

Tony

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 16:35

Certainly , yes ! :up: /Have a look at post 105 : Most of these were made of Wiking models ! /I will look after some photos or more pictures. / Also , did you ever look at the Busch cars with wire wheels. Last year I had a dealer ask for them , but I thought it was too many and therefore too expensive. Perhaps........ :smoking:

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 17:19

Wow,

That is quite some collection! Now I know who has cornered the market in old Wiking race cars-LOL


Yes those Busch Wire wheels are very nice,but to buy an expensive car just to get the wheels..Too rich for my blood as they say.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 18:17

I had a good offer but thought it was too many , thus too expensive. But if you would have an interest I will as my buddy in Germany again , how many for how much ! And I remember the offer stood for 6-7 weeks !

They were made in or around 62-66 , when I was 16-20 !

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 19:13

Hi Bjorn,

I`d be interested in the wheels if they are the large ones from the 1920s Mercedes,as the ones from the Auto-Union and W-196 are too small for what I need.

If we can get them for a reasonable price.

Best,

Tony

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:38

:wave: OK , I will check it out !

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 21:34

:wave: Schuco Piccolo is doing the Green Team Lotus (1967) transporter and a Lotus 49 !

Red-Line wich is a real model maker will do the Ferrari 642 and Rolfo transporters !