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#51 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 20:53

Roy has regretfully been ill for some while - Silverstone Auctions said the following last year; Currently in a nursing home in France - http://www.silversto...n-signed-prints

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#52 Graham Gauld

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:00

Roy Salvadori's name came up in conversations at Monaco this weekend, and what has been said in this thread about his health, whereabouts, and his wife would seem to be true. Someone said that he lives in a place just above the start-finish line.

Vince H.


Vince: Hope you get back safely from Monaco but just to correct you, Susan sold the appartment above the start and finish line some time ago and now lives in the same appartment block as John Coombs near the new Opera House

#53 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:25

My last information was that Roy is being cared for in a home in, or near, Monte Carlo. I am not sure whether or not he is diagnostically Altzheimic, but certainly mutual friends have told me his intellect is brutally impaired... Spare a thought for his long-time partner and wife, Sue (nee Hindmarsh, daughter of Le Mans-winning Lagonda driver and Hawker test pilot John Hindmarsh), a very lovely lady.

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This makes for very sad reading for those of us who remember Roy Salvadori for his stylish appearance and for the forceful driving which made him one of the true stars of British motor racing in the 1950's and early 1960's. His versitility and colourful personality made 'Salvo' a real schoolboy hero and I was happy to come away from many meetings with his autograph on my race programme. Roy's many drives in the Gilby Engineering Maserati's in particular, still live fresh in the memory, especially his wonderful performance in the 1956 British Grand Prix. I saw Mr Salvadori at several of the Silverstone Historic Festivals where he was always happy to stop for a chat and was once kind enough to sign my copy of his autobiography. 'Salvo' remains one of my heroes and my thoughts are with him and his family.

#54 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 14:22

From my late father's collection.

Perhaps you can help me with time, place and car (I assume it's a Yeoman Credit Cooper in 1961, but I stand to be corrected).

Thanks, Nigel

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#55 David McKinney

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:05

London Trophy, Crystal Palace, 22 May 1961
Salvadori on pole, Lotus 18s of Marsh and Seidel behind
Salvadori won with Marsh third and Seidel fifth

I think this was the day Salvadori won something like five races in five different cars

#56 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:24

London Trophy, Crystal Palace, 22 May 1961
Salvadori on pole, Lotus 18s of Marsh and Seidel behind
Salvadori won with Marsh third and Seidel fifth

I think this was the day Salvadori won something like five races in five different cars


Fantastic response. Thank you very much. In that case, I suspect this is the same occasion (I think my dad is the person immediately behind (and obscured by) Mr. Salvadori):

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#57 kayemod

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:27

(I think my dad is the person immediately behind (and obscured by) Mr. Salvadori):


I recognised the hairstyle instantly.


#58 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 15:48

More Yeoman Credit Coopers. My dad in Salvo's car in the background, Jimmy Potton (I think) in (I assume) Surtees' car in the foreground. Reg Parnell and the boys double tasking - snatching lunch while warming up the transmissions on jacks. I think this is about the sum total of the travelling personnel on an F1 team in those days.

Any where and when info greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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#59 David McKinney

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 16:09

Must be a different meeting. Salvadori was the only team entry at the Palace that day

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#60 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 16:13

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Unfortunately none of the pics I have from the period when my father was associated with Mr. Salvadori at Astons & Yeoman Credit / Bowmaker are labelled, hence my appeal to the members of TNF for any enlightenment they can provide. I wondered if this might be Aintree, since the pits look very temporary.

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 14 May 2012 - 16:16.


#61 David McKinney

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 16:39

In the Aintree 200 Surtees was 5 and Salvadori 6

At Karlskoga C G Hammarlund raced a team Cooper No.6

#62 Paul Parker

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 16:51

More Yeoman Credit Coopers. My dad in Salvo's car in the background, Jimmy Potton (I think) in (I assume) Surtees' car in the foreground. Reg Parnell and the boys double tasking - snatching lunch while warming up the transmissions on jacks. I think this is about the sum total of the travelling personnel on an F1 team in those days.

Any where and when info greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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According to John Thompson's FORMULA ONE RECORD book Roy also drove no.6 T53 F1-2-61 (also quoted by Doug in COOPER CARS) at the Aintree 200 on 22 April 1961 and the Silver City Trophy at Brands Hatch on 3 June 1961.

This does not look like Brands to me and note the cobbled up number 6 on the side of the car.

I hope this helps.

#63 David M. Kane

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 17:02

According to John Thompson's FORMULA ONE RECORD book Roy also drove no.6 T53 F1-2-61 (also quoted by Doug in COOPER CARS) at the Aintree 200 on 22 April 1961 and the Silver City Trophy at Brands Hatch on 3 June 1961.

This does not look like Brands to me and note the cobbled up number 6 on the side of the car.

I hope this helps.


Isn't that an Australian flag in the background?

Edited by David M. Kane, 14 May 2012 - 17:03.


#64 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 17:11

Isn't that an Australian flag in the background?


Yes, but my father never went to Oz, and I don't think the team did either(?).

I suspect the power or phone lines along the pit straight give a better clue as to the location.

My intention isn't to drag this off topic, just to add some "colour" background and amateur pics to supplement the Salvadori thread. Often the amateur pics give much more of a feel of how it was to be there (no disrespect to the pros of course).

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 14 May 2012 - 17:12.


#65 pete53

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 18:00

London Trophy, Crystal Palace, 22 May 1961
Salvadori on pole, Lotus 18s of Marsh and Seidel behind
Salvadori won with Marsh third and Seidel fifth

I think this was the day Salvadori won something like five races in five different cars

I think it was four races he won. Apart from the main event I seem to recall he won the Touring Car race in a Jag 3.8, the Sports Car race in a Cooper Monaco, and the GT event in a Jaguar E.


#66 David McKinney

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 19:15

Yes, but my father never went to Oz, and I don't think the team did either(?).

The team did the NZ and Australian series in 1962 (with Coopers) and 1963 (with Lolas and one Cooper)


#67 David M. Kane

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 19:21

Yes, but my father never went to Oz, and I don't think the team did either(?).

I suspect the power or phone lines along the pit straight give a better clue as to the location.

My intention isn't to drag this off topic, just to add some "colour" background and amateur pics to supplement the Salvadori thread. Often the amateur pics give much more of a feel of how it was to be there (no disrespect to the pros of course).


Nigel you are absolutely correct the personal photos have a personality and humanity to them that for me put me more in the moment.

Please more!


#68 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 19:25

Please more!


Very pleased you like them. I can post a few more tomorrow.

Nigel



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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:48

Vince: Hope you get back safely from Monaco but just to correct you, Susan sold the appartment above the start and finish line some time ago and now lives in the same appartment block as John Coombs near the new Opera House


We're in Cap d'Ail till Wednesday, then off to Rome for a week before returning home. Thanks for the corrected info.

Vince H.


#70 Paul Parker

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 21:01

London Trophy, Crystal Palace, 22 May 1961
Salvadori on pole, Lotus 18s of Marsh and Seidel behind
Salvadori won with Marsh third and Seidel fifth

I think this was the day Salvadori won something like five races in five different cars


As an aside what a wonderful little circuit Crystal Palace was.

I went to see the Galaxies racing there in 1963, unbelievable, then in 1967 when Paul Hawkins in the GT40 beat the Maranello Concessionaires 250LM driven by Mike Parkes, survived Dennis Leech's trip through the rhododendrens in his Mustang when we in the midfield had to run for it and watched Brian Muir in the Wiggins Teape dark blue Camaro from behind a tree right on the edge of the track (the Glade perhaps, not sure now) in 1971 and went to the final meeting in September 1972.

Even from the public side the viewing was wonderful, the whole experience enhanced by the park like setting, happy days.



#71 Roger Clark

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 23:45

More Yeoman Credit Coopers. My dad in Salvo's car in the background, Jimmy Potton (I think) in (I assume) Surtees' car in the foreground. Reg Parnell and the boys double tasking - snatching lunch while warming up the transmissions on jacks. I think this is about the sum total of the travelling personnel on an F1 team in those days.

Any where and when info greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Could this be Brussels? Surtees' car had number 6 roughly painted there following a late change of numbers, see Motor Sport Pictorial Review, May 1961.

#72 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:36

Could this be Brussels? Surtees' car had number 6 roughly painted there following a late change of numbers, see Motor Sport Pictorial Review, May 1961.


Very possible - I still have the arm band issued to my father from that race. As I say, it can't be Australia because he never went there, so I think the flag is just part of the circuit decoration, reflecting the nationalities of the drivers. Jack Brabham won the race.

A small comment on apartments in Monaco. A few years ago I was running Lucas Luhr in a Penske Porsche RS Spyder. He mentioned that his father had an apartment overlooking the start / finish straight at Monaco, and that he made enough money from renting it out for race weekends to pay the rent for the rest of the year. Nice work if you can get it.

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 15 May 2012 - 08:37.


#73 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:16

At Aston Martin my dad built and worked on racing DB4GTs. This is from his collection, 1960 TT at Goodwood - Ireland and Salvadori. I think it captures the moment quite nicely.

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#74 David M. Kane

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 16:44

Nice composition and timing!

#75 David Birchall

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 18:23

Salvadori appears to be laughing!

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 18:52

Salvadori appears to be laughing!


Looks to me like he's unlocking the driver's door! ):

#77 Nigel Beresford

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 19:05

Looks to me like he's unlocking the driver's door! ):


The funny thing is, subsequent pictures show him getting away first. You would have said that Ireland would have been ahead from this picture. Maybe he stopped for a quick snifter...

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 19:47

At Aston Martin my dad built and worked on racing DB4GTs. This is from his collection, 1960 TT at Goodwood - Ireland and Salvadori. I think it captures the moment quite nicely.


Of course this is the race that Moss won in Rob Walker's 250GT, Roy coming home second in the Essex Racing Team's DB4/GT/0194/R (a car that I have been fortunate enough to drive on the road), with Innes finishing in third place.
I am a great admirer of Roy, and always recall a (relatively) recent attempt at a nostalgic interview with him in MotorSport magazine, where to quote him "Good old days? There was no such thing as the good old days". Roy went on to say that for most if not all professional drivers of his era, it was his livelihood, and that he knew he was taking his life in his hands every time he climbed aboard a car to race. A most highly skilled and professional driver of his era.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 20:59

Roy went on to say that for most if not all professional drivers of his era, it was his livelihood, and that he knew he was taking his life in his hands every time he climbed aboard a car to race. A most highly skilled and professional driver of his era.

Indeed, the risks of his profession were brought home to him very early in his career when he had that frightening roll at Silverstone in the early 50s (captured on film). I seem to remember him saying in an interview that he had suffered from tinnitus ever since that accident.

I was fortunate to just catch the end of his driving days seeing him in Atkins entered cars - Jaguar 3.8, Cooper Monaco and Cobra.

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#80 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 11:06

Indeed, the risks of his profession were brought home to him very early in his career when he had that frightening roll at Silverstone in the early 50s (captured on film). I seem to remember him saying in an interview that he had suffered from tinnitus ever since that accident.

In his book 'Roy Salvadori Racing Driver' (With Anthony Pritchard. Patrick Stephens.1985) Roy mentions that he remained deaf in one ear after his 1951 Silverstone crash and used extra plugs in his 'good ear'. This presented a problem with Le Mans type starts in later years, as he was never quite sure if the engine had fired up on the starter motor!. Roy received the last rites after that awful crash in May 51 but was racing again by early August with an XK120 Jaguar and raced his rebuilt Frazer-Nash at Castle Combe in September. A racing driver indeed!.



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Posted 03 June 2012 - 14:59

I hope to goodness that I'm wrong, but another web forum and wikipedia both say that Roy passed away today. Surprised to see nothing on here yet.

RIP one of the great all-rounders.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 16:13

I hope to goodness that I'm wrong, but another web forum and wikipedia both say that Roy passed away today. Surprised to see nothing on here yet.

RIP one of the great all-rounders.


Its posted on PH as well, so sadly it looks like you're right.

#83 David M. Kane

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 16:22

90 years young, a great racer; God speed RIP.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 16:41

It's on BRDC's website as well, sadly. Certainly not unexpected, but a wonderful age to live for someone who was a racing driver in the 1950's. A true character and a great person. RIP.

#85 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 16:53

6 non-championship F1 wins and one Le Mans win, but although he never won a World Championship Grand Prix, Salvadori was surely one of the best drivers not to do so.
Unfortunately his poor health had been chronicled here, so it's no surprise, but coming so soon after not only his friend and colleague Shelby, but the likes of other 50's British racing personalities like Burgess and Leston, it's a bit hard to take.

What a magnificent ambassador he was for historic racing too which in recent years, served as an equally memorable legacy as his driving days.

I just wonder if his head injuries in 1955 in which he recieved the last rites led to his ill-health...

RIP, Roy.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:10

6 non-championship F1 wins and one Le Mans win, but although he never won a World Championship Grand Prix, Salvadori was surely one of the best drivers not to do so.
Unfortunately his poor health had been chronicled here, so it's no surprise, but coming so soon after not only his friend and colleague Shelby, but the likes of other 50's British racing personalities like Burgess and Leston, it's a bit hard to take.

What a magnificent ambassador he was for historic racing too which in recent years, served as an equally memorable legacy as his driving days.

I just wonder if his head injuries in 1955 in which he recieved the last rites led to his ill-health...

RIP, Roy.


Richard that is an interesting point; there is a big controversy here in America relative to head injuries in sports particularly football, soccer, etc. There seems to be a relationship between concussions and ALS, Dementia, etc.


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:13

Sad to hear of this today. :(

RIP


#88 Richard Jenkins

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 17:40

Richard that is an interesting point; there is a big controversy here in America relative to head injuries in sports particularly football, soccer, etc. There seems to be a relationship between concussions and ALS, Dementia, etc.


I mentioned it because one of the main reasons suggested by the doctor's for my grandmother's dementia was that she suffered a head injury which required hospitalisation (I don't know the full story, so not sure to what extent or what the head injury was - it's wasn't racing cars, that's for sure!)

When I read about Roy's crash whilst re-reading about his life and career, the thought occured to me. But I'm not sure if anyone has done any research on the subject - perhaps because of the huge amount of Roy's contemparies who died as he carried on and survived, we'll never really know true figures.

None of this matters a jot, of course today.


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 18:14

There seems to be a relationship between concussions and ALS, Dementia, etc.


I can well believe that serious blows on the head can do lasting damage in some cases, especially with those who partake in certain sports, though with boxers, many would argue that they must be suffering from impaired faculties to even take up that activity in the first place. However, to keep this in proportion, well over 90% of people who suffer from dementia etc in later life have never suffered so much as a light cranial tap. Very sorry to hear about Roy's demise of course, but 90 isn't a bad innings, and he seems to have retained most of his marbles until relatively recently.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 19:00

I'm very sorry to learn this not altogether unexpected news. I'm among many enthusiasts who will mourn the passing of a man who dignified the sport for so many years. Condolences to his family.

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 19:18

I like to think here's a little corner somewhere with Roy, Shel', John Cooper, Les Leston. et al reminiscing.

RIP Roy

Edited by D-Type, 04 June 2012 - 17:26.


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Posted 03 June 2012 - 19:39

RIP - very sad news. :cry:

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 22:01

RIP

#94 David Birchall

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:01

I like to think here's a little corner somewhere with Ron, Shel', John Cooper, Les Leston. et al reminiscing.

RIP Roy



My thoughts too.
RIP Salvo

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:17

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I believe this was car he drove in 1962, his last season in F1, the Lola Mk 4. Here he is at Zandvoort.

Photo by Ted Langton-Adams, copyright Eric Faulks.

Vince H.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:42

A great life ..lived well and long..

RIP Roy..
Some of the best moments of all..

#97 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:23

Sad news to hear that another schoolboy hero has left us. An exciting and colourful personality, 'Salvo' enlivened so many race meetings of the 1950's in a variety of cars, but in particular the Gilby Engineering Maserati's. I believe that it was after his crash at Stowe Corner in May 1951 in the Le Mans Replica Frazer-Nash that Roy received the Last Rites but was racing again by August.
He will live on in my memory.

Edited by Eric Dunsdon, 04 June 2012 - 09:26.


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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:31

Another iconic name and character from my schoolboy years departs, RIP Roy Salvadori.

I've just enjoyed being transported back in time by Neville Hay - others might like to be too

Roy features in this film too about Cooper Cars - he speaks very eloquently. http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu

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#99 Stephen W

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:05

90 years young, a great racer; God speed RIP.


Unfortunately his poor health had been chronicled here, so it's no surprise, but coming so soon after not only his friend and colleague Shelby, but the likes of other 50's British racing personalities like Burgess and Leston, it's a bit hard to take.

I just wonder if his head injuries in 1955 in which he recieved the last rites led to his ill-health...


Once again an elder statesman passes away.

An aunt of mine once postulated that "the creeking gate swings longest".

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:02

RIP Roy Salvadori.
One of motor racing's gentlemen. He only made one appearance at Longford, Tasmania in early 1961 (where he won in one of his good friend Jack Brabham's private Coopers) but is still remembered by those who met him there. Judging by the first photo, he was popular with the ladies!
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