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[r.atlos]

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
...but the last 3 is a bit mysterious to me [...]: 1 plain white , 1 medium blue with yellow strip and 1 light blue ! Perharp someone can put some light on to what was going on in my head 40 years ago ???

Bjørn - my best guess for the white one would be Rolf Stommelen's 904-102. Originally delivered in metallic silver and raced like that during '64 and '65, he resprayed it to white for the '66 season. However, there are big "dark" stripes on and below the front bonnet on all b&w photos I have from that year. I cannot recall having seen it live that year, so that I cannot substantiate what colour these were.

Medium blue with yellow stripe ? Guess it may look great but it does not ring a bell with me.

Light blue ? There were two cars delivered in "enamel blue", 904-032 to Rudolf Moser (who, unfortunately had a fatal accident during practice of the 1000km Nürburgring race in 1964) and 904-075 to Jacques Rey. That's the one we have seen on the earlier picture posted by "jarama".

[sterling49]

I watched Martin Hone race his 904 at Brands in the mid '60's and this got me hooked on the German cars. Fascinating that they had steel wheels then.

[r.atlos]

Thank you, Henk - great stuff !! Two questions: I have a vague re-collection having seen somewhere in (I think) 1964 or 1965 results the name of Gerard van Lennep. Is that a misinterpretation of Gijs (= Gijsbert) or was there a third brother ?

I also picked up somewhere an announcement that "SRT Holland" would be running a 906 for Toine Hezemans in 1969. Was that a continuation of "Racing Team Holland" or a totally different team ?

[r.atlos]

Originally posted by sterling49
Fascinating that they had steel wheels then.

Not quite: They looked like std Kronprinz wheels as used on the 356/911 but the outer rim was in aluminium and riveted to the steel rim center.

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by r.atlos
Thank you, Henk - great stuff !! Two questions: I have a vague re-collection having seen somewhere in (I think) 1964 or 1965 results the name of Gerard van Lennep. Is that a misinterpretation of Gijs (= Gijsbert) or was there a third brother ?

A third brother, well known later on as a columnist (outside the motor racing area!), see http://8w.forix.com/db//vanlennep.html

[Henk Vasmel]

Originally posted by r.atlos
Two questions: I have a vague re-collection having seen somewhere in (I think) 1964 or 1965 results the name of Gerard van Lennep. Is that a misinterpretation of Gijs (= Gijsbert) or was there a third brother ?

I also picked up somewhere an announcement that "SRT Holland" would be running a 906 for Toine Hezemans in 1969. Was that a continuation of "Racing Team Holland" or a totally different team ?

Apart from brothers Gijs and David van Lennep, there was also Gerard van Lennep. He was not a brother of Gijs and David. He also was a bit older. 1930 against 1937 for David, the eldest of the brothers. There was a third brother, Hugo, but he is virtually unknown as a racing driver. Whether Gerard was a relation or not, I cannot find at the moment.

The SRT is probably the Stichts Racing Team. I have seen it mentioned as a rival team in the RTH book. Further details unknown. Correction. In Rob Wiedenhoff's Autosport ABC, it gets a few lines. Manager Ger Oosterman later changed the name from Stichts Racing Team into SRT Holland. Drivers a.o. Hans Oskamp, Ben Huisman (Remember Roger Williamson), Nico Chiotakis and last but not least, Liane Engeman (a real beauty).

Regards,

Henk Vasmel

[Bjorn Kjer]

r.atlos , go to www.historie.nl , you will find amongst a lot of pics and info , something on Stichting Racing .
And thanks for "guessing" my brain 40+ years ago . Sometimes in those days a mag like Autosport often wrote "the blue of..." etc. , but the medium blue with yellow stripe could well have been a pure guess from me for the lack of infos on either Vianini or perhaps Hasse Radefalk wich crashed at the Targa 64 ?

It really is a puzzle ,but if you have the patience................(wich I dont allways have)!

Many thanks to Henk also for the very interesting infos on RTH (I used to call them RTNL). Do we know when RTH stopped for good ?

There is a small thread here called Porsche 904/Beaufort also !

[scheivlak]

Originally posted by Henk Vasmel


Apart from brothers Gijs and David van Lennep, there was also Gerard van Lennep. He was not a brother of Gijs and David.

Oops, you're right.
According to http://de.wikipedia....Gijs_van_Lennep Gerard is a cousin.

[Henk Vasmel]

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
r.atlos , go to www.historie.nl , you will find amongst a lot of pics and info , something on Stichting Racing .

The link doesn't work for me, it sends me on to a different address, which doesn't look like the one you are mentioning.

I also notice some confusion on words starting with sticht...
The word Stichting means foundation. It is a description of a kind of company.
The word Stichts in Stichts Racing team means from the area called Het Sticht, which is the medieval name of the current province of Utrecht (in full: "Het Sticht Utrecht"). This word might have the same origin as the current word Stichting, but the meaning now is vastly different.

With Stichting Racing, you may mean "Stichting Autoraces Nederland" (Dutch Motor Racing Foundation). This was the entrant for Gijs van Lennep in the Dutch GP '71. There is probably more, but it is difficult to find while I am at work.

Regards,

Henk Vasmel

[Bjorn Kjer]

Thanks for waking me up, Henk ! First of all the site name is www.racehistorie.nl Very much oops!

Secondly , thanks for learning me a bit on your language. There are some pics on the above thread saying Stichting SONY racing team with Fiat Abarth touring cars and Abarth sportsracers. I assumed that......

Thanks again!

[HistoricMustang]

Several nice photographs here of Ted Tidwell's. Not sure of this color. Any help?

Henry

http://www.historicm...om/tidwell.html

[Bjorn Kjer]

Thanks Henry !

[r.atlos]

Having talked so much about the RT Holland cars I just wanted to share with you another couple of shots from my youth:





Taken at Zandvoort on Monday 30/08/1965 in front of a VW dealership which apparently had served as base for the Zandvoort Trophy race the day before.

Apologies to Bjørn - they are again b&w ... !!

[Bjorn Kjer]

Fine shots thanks , I clearly see the orange colour , but then I am not 20 anymore !

[gerard BARATHIEU]

Bjorn,

I think to remember to have seen the ex SMART(STIRLING MOSS Racing team ) PORSCHE 904

in a catalog of AUCTION.

But unfortunatly I don't find it.

the car was in dark blue.

I purrchase my research !!!!

[René de Boer]

From a press release I received last Friday:

Late August, the book Racing Team Holland, The History Of The Dutch Racing Team written by Rob Wiedenhoff and edited by Ed Heuvink, will be published by Stichting Racing Team Holland. This publication covers the famous history of Racing Team Holland founded in 1963 by Erik Hazelhoff Roelfzema and Ben van Marken. The first race the team entered was the Grand Prix de Spa on May 17th, 1964. Ben Pon drove the orange – the official Dutch racing colour – Porsceh 904 Carrera GTS.

The founders had high expectations and in the first year the team showed that there was ample racing talent in the Netherlands and that international successes could be obtained. Racing Team Holland was always warmly welcomed at many international race tracks and always arrived with well prepared cars. One of the goals of the team was to promote young Dutch racing talent: of which the best example being Gijs van Lennep. Among the many drivers entered by RTH were Ben Pon, Rob Slotemaker, Henk van Zalinge, Gijs and David van Lennep, Wim Loos, Toine Hezemans, Hans Koster, Jan Lammers, Huub Rothengatter, Arie Luyendijk and Cor Euser.

This luxurious clothbound edition, written in English, extensively covers the history with its many up- and downs. Starting with the Porsche period (1964-1967), Formula 3 racing with the innovative Tecno DAF with Variomatic transmission (1968), the European Formula 3 title for Jan Lammers (1978) and the many Formula Ford successes (early eighties).

From 1987 onwards, initiated by John Hugenholtz, Racing Team Holland has concentrated on historical events and GT racing.

Racing Team Holland, the History of The Dutch Racing Team is available from specialised bookstores and from Stichting Racing Team Holland in Naarden, the Netherlands (racingteamholland@gmail.com)

Racing Team Holland
240 pages; 210 pictures both B/W and colour; large sized 23x27 cm; all race results;
ISBN 978-90-811894-1-5; recommend retail price Euro 64,95

[zoff2005]

Here are two photos I took of the Eldé 904 GTS (904-040) at Laroche Hillclimb in the Ardennes in 1964. It was grey.





All the best
Marcus

[r.atlos]

Nice pics, Marcus. Haven't checked chassis numbers yet but it looks like the one with raised roof for Baron Remordu.

When browsing through eBay I found one of the RT Holland cars in colour on an Autosport cover from 1966:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...1QQcmdZViewItem

As the photo will disappear at some point after the sale here it is again:



Judging by the race number I would also say Ben Pon at Zandvoort Trophy on 29/08/65 - similar to my two after-race pictures above.

[zoff2005]

You may be right - I went to watch the hillclimb both in 1964 and 1965 but these photos are in the 1965 page in my album - so maybe it's not Elde's car after all. Roof does look different to the other photos.
All the best
Marcus

[r.atlos]

I am more and more convinced now that the car in Markus' photos is 904-056, i.e. Remordu's car. Unfortunately, Barth's book does not give any details, unfortunately; he mentions one "Hanser" (with "Hausky" indicated in brackets) from Liège as first customer. Both names are not familiar to me and I wonder whether it should not read "Hauser", anyhow.

Mike Morris adds to the confusion by saying that 904-056 was "sold to Ancez who raced it in Belgium with a strange alteration to the roof as the owner, "Baron Remordu" was very tall and could not fit into the car." He has one photo with the same registration (5.U.389) but another with "437.E.1".

Interesting that "Hanser" and "Ancez" may sound very similar when pronounced in French ...

BTW: Why "Baron Remordu" in inverted commas ? Was it a pseudo ?

[jarama]

Originally posted by r.atlos


Mike Morris adds to the confusion by saying that 904-056 was "sold to Ancez who raced it in Belgium with a strange alteration to the roof as the owner, "Baron Remordu" was very tall and could not fit into the car." He has one photo with the same registration (5.U.389) but another with "437.E.1".

Interesting that "Hanser" and "Ancez" may sound very similar when pronounced in French ...

BTW: Why "Baron Remordu" in inverted commas ? Was it a pseudo ?

According to Jess G. Pourret's "Ferrari 250 GT Competition Cars", "Remordu" is an alias of... Guy Ancez.


Carles.

[r.atlos]

Thank you, Carles - that explains it all !!

[gerard BARATHIEU]

I refund the photo of the sale cataligue in 1991 of 904 GTS 025 the ex SMART S.MOSS team car.

[Bjorn Kjer]

It might be the ex SMART car , but I bet it has been repainted ! Any confirmations ?

[Paul Parker]

According to Valerie Pirie who ran S.M.A.R.T. she thought (note I am quoting THOUGHT) that Hugh Dibley had written the 904GTS (025) off during testing.

As we know it was a lightish shade of green in 1964 so if the car pictured is 025 or part thereof it has been repainted and apparently rebuilt and/or reconstructed, a fairly typical scenario with old racers.

[Ted Walker]

S.M.A.R.T. Team colours are Light Borneo green (ici ref Po31-4390) with dark green stripe

[Bjorn Kjer]

I can see blue here too ! I think Barry should be told !?

[Paul Parker]

Such knowledge, young Ted, ICI Po31-4390 indeed!

I stand humbled before your great presence, arf, arf.

[Barry Boor]

Reviving this thread as it links to my question about blue 904s, I think I will take the green one from post #23 and produce that.

Interestingly, the picture posted by r. atlos (post #18) shows Dick Stoop's 904 at the Nurburgring on 11.8.64. Looking at the events from that period, I find that the car must have been on its way home from the Freiburg hillclimb which was held on 9.8.64.

The colour photo (post #23) shows the car wearing #52 - which is correct for the Freiburg event, but I wonder why it has #5 on it 2 days later.

Curious!

[David McKinney]

'cos the '2' sticker fell off?

[Barry Boor]

Ho, ho, ho, NO!

[Thomas lundevall]

Swedish Porsche 904 in winter rally action.

[mx906]

Hi,

I just wanted to tell the 904 enthusiasts on this thread about a new book that I've written. It is entitled "The Porsche 904, 906 & 910 In The Americas." It has 432 pages with close to 1000 photos. There is race-by-race coverage of events in North and South America where a 904, 906, or 910 was entered, and detailed chassis histories for about 90 individual cars. There is also some technical information and specifications. If you are interested, you can find more information at www.sportscarracinghistory.com. The first copies will be shipped in December.

Thanks,
Jerry Pantis

[Bjorn Kjer]

Does anyone have the colour of Heinz Schillers 904 in 1964 (Nurburgring 1000 kms) , please ?

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 05 February 2012 - 08:45.

[Otto Grabe]

Does anyone have the colour of Heinz Schillers 904 in 1964 (Nurburgring 1000 kms) , please ?

The Swiss colours red and white
http://www.racingspo...1964-05-31.html

[Bjorn Kjer]

Thanks Otto.