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#1 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 09:16

I appreciate that this may not be a thread that anyone wants to see so I am just tossing the idea in to test the waters...

If it's not suitable, I hope Twinny will remove it entirely.

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#2 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 09:22

Good idea Barry, especially as 'Rosso Bianco' is now gone. I have several I took there in the early 90s.
Also some have temporary exhibits such as the Mercedes one at Donington now. We can record them here! Perhaps we can include static shows here too such as exhibits at Stoneleigh?

#3 bradbury west

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 10:26

A very good idea, Barry, especially showing the more unusual, or less heard of cars, rather than more of the glossy favorites.
Roger Lund.

#4 thecako

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 11:37

Museum of bruxelles

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#5 D-Type

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 12:07

An excellent idea, but...

Can I make my usual request for captions to photos as the reader may not be as familiar with the subject as the photographer

And for thumbnails as it makes the thread so so much quicker to open and easier to review.

#6 Graham Gauld

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 15:23

Fabrizio Violati in San Marino has his Maranello Rosso collection which features Ferrari on one floor and Abarth on the lower floor. Everyone talks about the Ferraris but the Abarths are something else. He has around 40 of them starting from a very rare Cisitalia-Abarth to the most modern prototype sports cars. If you are going on holiday to Rimini, and are fed up with the beach and the crowds take the road from there towards San Marino and just as the dual carriageway begins to climb look out for the Maranello Rosso sign.

Here with an example of the cars.

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#7 FLB

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 15:41

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Ferrari 250LM, Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum, July 1989. The car is painted like the NART 250LM that won Le Mans in 1965 with Gregory and Rindt. I have no idea if it's the actually winning chassis, but it was presented as such.

Also visible are a MkII GT40 (1032 I believe, painted as a look-alike of the 1966 Le Mans winner), a Grand-Sport Corvette (IIRC) and a Mercedes W196 Stomlinenwagen (IIRC again).

#8 RA Historian

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 16:43

It has been pointed out on another thread on this forum, IIRC, that the Ferrari 275-LM is indeed the 1965 Le Mans winner.

The Corvette is the 1957 SS that raced at Sebring.

#9 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 17:03

My first contribution to this thread is from last Friday's visit to Donington....

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#10 Hieronymus

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 17:26

For those interested in French cars. A Talbot Lago in the Musee Automobile de la Sarthe.

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Photo I took in June 2006.

#11 Mark A

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 17:42

I set up a museums section on my website but I haven't updated it for years. Got loads of pics from Le Mans, Coventry, Gaydon, etc which aren't online.


My favourite car is this one from the Henry Ford Museum.

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Does anyone know this car, also from the Henry Ford Museum.

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#12 Rob G

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 17:57

Originally posted by Mark A
Does anyone know this car, also from the Henry Ford Museum.

That's the famous Old 16 Locomobile that won the Vanderbilt Cup.

#13 Gary C

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 19:09

Here's a very rough Lotus Elite from the Sanxet Museum the other week.

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#14 bradbury west

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 19:29

Originally posted by Gary C
Here's a very rough Lotus Elite from the Sanxet Museum the other week.

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which the museum owner reckoned was ex le Mans when I spoke to him 2 or 3 years back, just like his claim for the AC Ace, the nearest to that claim being if they were in the Sarthe car park, I suspect. At least it was a "new" car to the AC Ace Registrar.

Please note also the Ghia-designed-steel-bodied Jowett Jupiter, ex Monte Carlo Rally next to it. Rough but interesting as a piece in itself IMHO

Ed Nankievell, the Jupiter Registrar, knows all about it

Did you photograph the 1920s Citroen coupe, fascinating little car, like a Bugatti tank with a roof on. ?

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 19:31

There used to be a lovely little car museum in St Austell, Cornwall, but when i was there last it was all shut up and empty. I'll try and dig out some pics from a previous visit.

#16 petefenelon

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 21:12

A few links....

Donington Collection

Prague Technical Museum

Brooklands

#17 Bloggsworth

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 22:03

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark A
[B]I set up a museums section on my website but I haven't updated it for years. Got loads of pics from Le Mans, Coventry, Gaydon, etc which aren't online.


My favourite car is this one from the Henry Ford Museum.

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If that's the 1964 car, I helped build it. I've got a Polaroid of it or Dan Gurney's car being loaded on the flatbed, I'll try and find it.

#18 Bloggsworth

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Posted 04 July 2007 - 23:47

I knew I had it somewhere. That's me sitting on the right - I'd love to tell you who the others are, but I am hopeless with names. I do, however remember going to work at 8AM on the Wednesday and not leaving till 2 o'clock on the Friday night to ride my Vespa 20 miles home, and running out of fuel after 1/2 mile - It took us about an hour to find some petrol and suitable oil in a car factory!

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#19 macoran

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 00:06

That shot shows the suspension offset very clearly !!

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#20 RA Historian

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 02:13

The Lotus in the Ford Museum is the Lotus 38 with which Jimmy won the 1965 Indy 500. It appears that they have cleaned it up from the last time I saw it there several years ago. At that time it appeared rather tatty and neglected.

#21 David Lawson

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 06:29

At Beaulieu Motor Museum a 2CV prototype that was hidden from the Germans in a compartment with a false wall at the Citroen factory throughout WW2.

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#22 Bloggsworth

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 07:18

I sometimes wonder whether the French didn't have a fetish about corrugated iron! It looks like a mobile Nissen hut - terrible things to livei during a hailstorm - Nissen dorma.

#23 275 GTB-4

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 12:35

Schushstuttgart M-B Museum.....hmmmmmmm

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Bathurst Museum - 1966 Mini first nine across the line!!

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Senshiem Germany...just a fabulous, fabulous Museum

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#24 wildman

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 12:54

In Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry, there are a couple of Lola Indy cars:

Al Unser Sr's T500 from 1978:
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Wally Dallenbach's T270 from 1972:
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The MSI also has Craig Breedlove's original Spirit of America LSR car, but it's nearly impossible to shoot a good photo owing to the sheer size of the thing.

#25 Barry Boor

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 13:30

Behind glass! What a pity....

What do they think is likely to happen to the cars, I wonder?

Good job Donington don't have that attitude.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 14:21

Originally posted by petefenelon
A few links....

Donington Collection

Prague Technical Museum

Brooklands


Pete,

Those are great. Must get to Donington at some poiint...

#27 Bloggsworth

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 14:28

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Behind glass! What a pity....

What do they think is likely to happen to the cars, I wonder?

Good job Donington don't have that attitude.


When I was nobbut a lad, I sat in the ex Fangio Mercedes, like the one illustrated earlier, at the Montague Motor Museum, much to the annoyance of the jobsworths (I didn't know you weren't supposed to, I was only 10) - loved those tartan seats!

#28 petefenelon

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 14:35

Originally posted by EcosseF1


Pete,

Those are great. Must get to Donington at some poiint...


It's a very special place, with a lovely laid-back atmosphere. You can get very close to the cars and really look closely at them. I was there on a nice quiet morning and there were only a few other punters in. There's a very magical feel to some of the cars and it's very hard not to feel humbled by some of the - the wreckage of David Purley's LEC just to give an idea of the violence of the accident he survived, and the Roger Williamson display just to emphasise how much the sport (and Tom Wheatcroft in particular) lost with his passing.

There are a few oddities there - the Iso-Marlboro nosecone in amongst the Marlboro BRMs, for a start! - but it's a splendid museum and I think anyone with a love of racing should try to get there.

I understand that Tom himself can often be found in there (I think Doc Knutsen found him in the café one day!)

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 14:56

One of the little-known attractions in Spartanburg, South Carolina, is the BMW Zentrum museum that's attached to the BMW factory there....

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#30 RS2000

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 15:39

Originally posted by wildman
One of the little-known attractions in Spartanburg, South Carolina, is the BMW Zentrum museum that's attached to the BMW factory there....


Was just thinking of all the NASCAR fans turning in their graves at what became of the town from which Bud Moore ran the Ford "works" effort...

#31 DOHC

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 15:57

Gentlemen: it would be much appreciated if you would also provide the whereabouts of these museums, as not all of us know right away where to find these gems... :up:

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 16:15

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Originally posted by bradbury west

Please note also the Ghia-designed-steel-bodied Jowett Jupiter, ex Monte Carlo Rally next to it. Rough but interesting as a piece in itself IMHO

Ed Nankievell, the Jupiter Registrar, knows all about it

Roger Lund.

Isn't that the Jupiter that turned up in that huge mysterious collection in France in the early 1980s, later to be seen in Sarlat ? If so, I would think that it is rather a very early Ghia Aigle body, not a Ghia Torino body.

I remember that there was quite a discussion about Ghia Aigle in the mid 80s in C&SC as it was not recognized as a stand-alone body builder but rather seen as affiliate to Ghia of Torino. In the meantime, there is a webpage tracing the history of Ghia Aigle: http://www.ghia-aigle.info/

It should also be noted that they operated as Ghia Lugano at some point in time and often used the term "Ghia Suisse" when presenting in a more International environment (like the Salon de Genève or de Paris).

#33 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 16:25

See Barry...this thread was a great idea! I'll add my Rosso Bianco pictures next week after the weekend, off to Silverstone.

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 16:40

Musee Gilles Villeneuve, Berthierville, Quebec, 2004:

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#35 David Beard

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 16:52

Photos from my album taken with my Kodak Brownie Cresta 3 circa 1963. This is the Montague Motor Museum when it was housed in a large wooden hut, without the gimmicks to be seen at Beaulieu today.

D Type asked for captions: if they are wrong, bear in mind that I wrote them when I was 14, please! (Sorry, don't think thumbnails would be good for this one,when opened up in Image Shack)

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#36 Frank S

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 17:05

Originally posted by D-Type
An excellent idea, but...

Can I make my usual request for captions to photos as the reader may not be as familiar with the subject as the photographer

And for thumbnails as it makes the thread so so much quicker to open and easier to review.

Perhaps if you spoke a little louder ...

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#37 D-Type

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 17:11

Originally posted by wildman
One of the little-known attractions in Spartanburg, South Carolina, is the BMW Zentrum museum that's attached to the BMW factory there....

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Now let me guess:
A replica? of the Mille Miglia winning BMW 328
A genuine BMW 328
A genuine BMW 507 despiter the erroneous caption stating that they dominated hill climbs in the 1950s
A BMW 5?? touring car from the ??? Touring car championship together with anoff-road motorcycle from the Paris-Dakar? and a Formula 2 BMW engined March ?
The rear end of a BMW-powered Sauber F1 car?

But what the hell! I wasn't there and they're pretty pictures anyway.

#38 FrankB

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 17:11

Originally posted by David Beard
Photos from my album taken with my Kodak Brownie Cresta 3 circa 1963. This is the Montague Motor Museum when it was housed in a large wooden hut, without the gimmicks to be seen at Beaulieu today.

D Type asked for captions: if they are wrong, bear in mind that I wrote them when I was 14, please! (Sorry, don't think thumbnails would be good for this one,when opened up in Image Shack)


Brilliant - and I think the lack of thumbnails can be forgiven.

#39 Gary C

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 17:14

'The rear end of a BMW-powered Sauber F1 car?'
Sauber??? Looks like a Brabham rear end to me.

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#40 FLB

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 18:08

Originally posted by Gary C
'The rear end of a BMW-powered Sauber F1 car?'
Sauber??? Looks like a Brabham rear end to me.

Absolutely. I can't see on the picture, but is the engine slanted in any way? If if is, BT55. If not, BT54.

#41 2F-001

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 18:18

And the touring car, in the group with the bike and the March F2 car (802, maybe?) would be an E30 M3, I think, rather than a 5-series.

#42 bradbury west

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 20:47

[i]Originally posted by r.atlos
Isn't that the Jupiter that turned up in that huge mysterious collection in France in the early 1980s, later to be seen in Sarlat ? If so, I would think that it is rather a very early Ghia Aigle body, not a Ghia Torino body.
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rudi, you are probably correct, but I just repeated what it said on the card on the car. Please e mail me and I will send some photos of the car

Roger Lund.

#43 r.atlos

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 21:05

Thank you, Roger - my mail to you has just gone out.

#44 Mark A

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 21:37

Started going through my hard drive as I thought I'd pick a picture from each museum I'd visited which weren't on my site (link in previous post). Was a bit surprised at how many different Museums I'd been too.

1. Audi Museum, Ingolstadt.
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2. National Motor Museum, Beaulieu.
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3. Brooklands Museum, Weybridge.
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4. Cotswold Motor Museum, Bourton-on-the-Water
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5. Museum of British Road Transport, Coventry.
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6. David Sutton Collection, Daventry.
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7. Deutsches Museum, Munich.
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8. British Motor Industry Heritage Trust, Gaydon.
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9. Scottish Transport Museum, Glasgow
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10. Museum de La Sarthe, Le Mans
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11. Toyota Megaweb, Tokyo.
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12. Argyll Motor Museum, Alexandria, Scotland.
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#45 Barry Boor

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 22:42

Here are a few more from last week's Donington visit.

I have tried to find a few of the less obvious options. No thumbnails, but the images are only 650 pixels wide and less than 100k each.

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Oh well, perhaps not all less obvious...

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More to follow in a day or so.

#46 MattFoster

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 22:42

Awesome pics Mark, good to see a Talbot Sunbeam Lotus in that lot too :up:

#47 Tim Murray

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 23:05

Ah, but which Talbot Lotus Sunbeam is it? A few years ago we had a motor club visit to the Midlands. In the morning we visited the David Sutton Collection in Daventry, where we found Henri Toivonen's 1980 RAC Rally-winning car:

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In the afternoon we went to the Coventry Museum of British Road Transport, where (like Mark A) we found - errm - Henri Toivonen's 1980 RAC Rally-winning car:

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#48 MattFoster

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Posted 05 July 2007 - 23:47

Looks like the same one going by the Registration Plate. It does say Henri Toivonen on the side of the pic Mark posted and it has Lombard Rally stickers too. Anyways it is great to see pics of one of favourite cars of my childhood

Any TNFers ever own one?

#49 275 GTB-4

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 09:51

Originally posted by raceannouncer2003
Musee Gilles Villeneuve, Berthierville, Quebec, 2004:

Vince Howlett, Victoria, B.C., Canada


Thats not a Musee....thats a shrine!! Brilliant :up:

#50 byrkus

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Posted 06 July 2007 - 10:25

Yours truly outside of certain museum in Stuttgart... :)

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And inside:

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And later that day, a sort of 'mobile musem' at Hockenheim... Jim Clark Days, 900+ cars (until 1977) on track at the same time...

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And there it was Audi museum...

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And to complete the trip:

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Best weekend ever. :)