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#501 David McKinney

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:16

Thanks Terry

Some IDs might be helpful for those of us on the wrong side of the world...

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#502 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:42

Clip 1: On left at beginning of pan, the Jane Brabham, then (orange stripe) 67 Alexis, then Lotus 20/22, then the Repco Holden Sports of considerable WA fame (Rod Waller's car), while the car right at the end, mainly yellow, is the Macon imported from UK by Craig McAllister new. Although the chassis was built for F Ford (you can still see the bubble in the engine cover for the downdraught Weber) Craig had it built by Macon as a lightly stressed F2 instead. Builder Tony Houghton later emigrated to Australia, raced in Western Australia, built another Macon or two, ran a racing driving school, then took up yachting and was lost at sea off Queensland.

Clip 2. In the workshop. In the background is the Sutol 23, an upgraded Lotus 23b built of ex Lotus workers and imported into WA by immigrant Tod Hill who won two local Spprts Car Championships in it some years ago. Now restored. Other cars unclear to me.

Clip 3: reverse pan of top scene. Macon in the foregound.

Clip 4: Neil and Mandy with the ribbon. Pert backside of the Repco Holden Sports can be seen.

The WARM website uses drop-down menus to access data on the cars. There's some useful stuff there. The Lotus 20/22 had a long history in WA, including being fitted briefly with a 6 litre Buick engine (!).

#503 Repco22

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:52

Terry, a couple of comments if I may; Neil has 'reconstructed' the Byfield Ayres Repco Holden Sports using the original body skin. Other than that, what remained of the car when he found it was unusable.
Regarding the Macons; Noted WA driver and constructor of the 60s, Max Fletcher, actually built the cars, and certainly the McAllister one, while working for Tony Houghton. Max, being a useful sort of bloke, was also a 'works' driver along with Gabrielle Konig. I'm not sure what class the team was in, Formula Ford? but Max drove them in the UK and even down in South America. I believe the Macon 'factory' consisted of something the size of a two-car garage!

#504 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:15

Hi Rod

Yes, I believe the Macon operation in the UK was tiny, one of the numerous F Ford builders that sprang up like weeds when the class was introduced. I didn't know Max Fletcher was connected, but any number of Aussies found themselves niches in the UK in the 60s and later, guys like Bob Ilich, Dave Sullivan Jr from Perth alone, a helluva long list when you add them all up.

So many of those space-frame cars of the 50s and 60s had their chassis dissolve into rust. The Dave Sullivan Sr DSM-Holden of the 60s is now just a box of components and the original alloy body shell, as the tubular space frame rusted itself out of existence, not helped by Dave Sr using two of the main frame rails as coolant pipes.

I remember seeing Bob Biltoft with the Macon years ago at Wanneroo. I think he paid bugger-all for it and would take it out occasionally on a tuning day just for a run. Now look at it!

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#505 David McKinney

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 11:51

Thanks very much chaps

#506 arttidesco

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 18:44

I've been given custody of about 1,000 colour slides of the Rolls-Royce Owners' Club of Western Australia, all taken circa 1990-1991. One box is of a motor museum, possibly not in WA, and in it was this cute little puppy:

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Looks like it is the Killeen K1, I believe around '90 - '91 it was the property of Robert Holmes A'Court hope that might help identify the museum / collection of some of the rest of your slides.

#507 arttidesco

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:19

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In a case of what I presume to be nothing more sinister than a label from another exhibit being used for a similar exhibit, this car, at the National Motor Museum, is identified as a 1965 AC Shelby Cobra manufactured by Shelby-American Inc., California.

The registration on HPI identifies this vehicle as an AC (Electric), does anyone know anything about AC (Electric) there seems to be very little about them on the net ?



#508 bradbury west

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:51

That is the very famous 7 litre John Woolf car, and much tested/written about, one of 2, IIRC, very special cars used over here.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 15:09

On VOSA the number comes up as an AC, not AC(Electric)

#510 arttidesco

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 16:05

That is the very famous 7 litre John Woolf car, and much tested/written about, one of 2, IIRC, very special cars used over here.
Roger Lund


Thanks for the pointer Roger. :up:

Found a period pic of GTM 700F.



On VOSA the number comes up as an AC, not AC(Electric)


Finally found the VOSA page which I hope will be a little more accurate than HPI, thanks Geoff :up:

#511 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 22:44

I give you the new Donington Collection, first time it's had a massive change in over 25 years and I cannot give it anything other than praise, especially for Garry Rankine, the curator:-

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#512 arttidesco

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 23:25

I give you the new Donington Collection, first time it's had a massive change in over 25 years and I cannot give it anything other than praise, especially for Garry Rankine, the curator:-


Thanks for the pics of the new look Gregor, always look forward to dropping in when I am near Nottingham :up:

#513 David McKinney

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:41

Fears that military vehicles were going to displace the cars certainly seem unfounded

Thanks Gregor

#514 scran

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:56

Damn! The "NEW" Donnington galleries look fantastic! I managed to make a pilgramage there in 2009 - seems I'm going to have to go back again!!!

Thank you for posting! Cheers

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#515 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:56

There will be a few more military vehicles coming in but I personally find them a nice distraction.
There is now a dedicated Williams hall (a la McLaren hall) and I think there are another 15 (!!) Williams cars being delivered this week to supplement the 20ish Williams cars already there, so it will only get bigger and better.

#516 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:59

Nice, but I'd far rather see 10 different unusual cars than 35 Williams; e.g. Bellasi, Ferguson, Eagle etc etc etc.

#517 Cirrus

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:32

I agree, but it's nice to see the Matras.

#518 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:18

Absolutely - but then, relatively speaking, they fall into my unusual cars bracket.


#519 arttidesco

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 13:07

Just noticed what happened to the massed ranks of MP4 McLarens ?

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#520 Lutz G

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 18:01

From 60 Years Formula 1 - at http://www.prototyp-hamburg.de/ - Hamburg, January 2011


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#521 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 18:19

Jordan; just about the last attractive F.1 car in my book.

#522 arttidesco

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 23:02

Jordan; just about the last attractive F.1 car in my book.


:up:


#523 Chewie

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 07:49

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:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: One of, if not The Best looking F1 car ever :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

#524 Duc-Man

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:19

Jordan; just about the last attractive F.1 car in my book.



:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: One of, if not The Best looking F1 car ever :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:


I stood in front of one at the Hockenheim Historics a few weeks back and thought exactly the same thing.


#525 kayemod

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:28

Jordan; just about the last attractive F.1 car in my book.


I think that the lack of messy aerodynamic add-ons is mainly responsible for that, we just don't see clean shapes any more. In that respect the cars from the last two or three years must be the worst ever as far as appearance is concerned, today's front wings are an affront to common decency, and I'm not even going to mention stepped noses.


#526 Lutz G

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 13:19

Jordan; just about the last attractive F.1 car in my book.


The 1991 Ferrari is IMO also a beauty....

BTW: Have you seen this posting?;)

http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=5230494


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#527 elansprint72

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 14:57

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: One of, if not The Best looking F1 car ever :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:



Keep yer wig on mate!

#528 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 15:00

Yes, I saw that a long time ago - it's very good but I'm afraid I don't remember the young lady. :eek:

#529 Lutz G

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 19:19

Yes, I saw that a long time ago - it's very good but I'm afraid I don't remember the young lady. :eek:


:)

BTW: I will do a few screenshots of the virtual Connew (still had no time to install the mod)

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#530 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:04

Is that the Jordan that is owned by Audi?

Nice, but I'd far rather see 10 different unusual cars than 35 Williams; e.g. Bellasi, Ferguson, Eagle etc etc etc.


I half agree but I also think it's really interesting to see how F1 cars evolve from year to year and I always found the McLaren hall amazing.

Just noticed what happened to the massed ranks of MP4 McLarens ?


They've gone home I think.

#531 Duc-Man

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:33

Is that the Jordan that is owned by Audi?


:confused: Audi as in the car-maker Audi? Why should they own a Jordan F-1 car? Is there any kind of connection? :confused:

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:54

:confused: Audi as in the car-maker Audi? Why should they own a Jordan F-1 car? Is there any kind of connection? :confused:


Colin Kolles perhaps ?

Also IIRC Eddie Jordan also floated the idea that MS would head an Audi F1 team before he retired from Effone the first time :drunk:

#533 Peter Morley

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 13:59

:confused: Audi as in the car-maker Audi? Why should they own a Jordan F-1 car? Is there any kind of connection? :confused:


Because Audi is owned by VW and VW at one time owned Cosworth and during that time a Jordan 191 was misplaced - possibly!

Cosworth apparently ended up with a 191 in lieu of payment (apparently making it an incredibly expensive car!).

#534 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:30

Because Audi is owned by VW and VW at one time owned Cosworth and during that time a Jordan 191 was misplaced - possibly!

Cosworth apparently ended up with a 191 in lieu of payment (apparently making it an incredibly expensive car!).


Exactly - In the June edition of F1 Racing (wash your moth out!!) Eddie Jordan is asked where Schumacher's 191 is and he answers that the first car he tested is in the Donington Collection (it's in my pics above)
The one he Schumi drove at Spa ended up with Audi, as Jordan couldn't pay their engine bills to Cosworth, so it ended up with Cosworth and then Audi bought Cosworth.
I can't take credit for knowing that beforehand though so good work Peter.  ;)

#535 Giraffe

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 20:25

Beaulieu yesterday....

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#536 Giraffe

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:47

One from Beaulieu for Barry Boor..... :wave:

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#537 Barry Boor

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:28

Ah, the finless D-type. I remember it well. IIRC, it never really went very well. The guide pin was too near the centre of the car.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:02

The Jaguar D type and BRM where my fun cars:
I powerslided them at all possible angles around corners! :rotfl:
Great fun to drive!!

Ah, the finless D-type. I remember it well. IIRC, it never really went very well. The guide pin was too near the centre of the car.



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Posted 23 July 2012 - 14:30

I have a photo, but not just online yet.... For those interested, the Milli-Union is currently on display at the M-Shed in Bristol as part of the Urban Sport display until September. And they also have an F1 powerboat. Flimsy looking thing, wouldn't have withstood the harbour sides very well......

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#540 arttidesco

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 15:43

For those interested, the Milli-Union is currently on display at the M-Shed in Bristol as part of the Urban Sport display until September.


Thanks for the tip :up:

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:55

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Missed the Milli-Union but was surprised to find that the first 'Bristol' personal transport was not built by Bristol Cars in 1947 but by the Bristol Motor Company in 1902. Above a rear wheel from a1906 Bristol 16/20 which is currently on view, partially hidden by a replica horse, at the M-Shed in Bristol.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:55

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Not a museum, sorry, but walked past this the other evening. I'm a bit vague on Ferrari model numbers of this era, but I'm sure everyone else here knows what it is.

Same place had a 512S on display last year.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:02

250 GT LWB Berlinetta Scaglietti, chassis number 0683/GT.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:07

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Not a museum, sorry, but walked past this the other evening. I'm a bit vague on Ferrari model numbers of this era, but I'm sure everyone else here knows what it is.

Same place had a 512S on display last year.


The Ferrari Attic excellent spot to find a Ferrari when the stress of being in London gets too much :-)

#545 Duc-Man

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 14:04

I went to the Museum Autovision in Altlußheim last week. The main things there are the history of NSU tha 'Wankel' engine and alternative drive. It's just a few miles from Hockenheim away.

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NSU Ro 80 presentation car from the IAA 1967

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Citroen M35 prototype 1969

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1917 American La France ALF75

#546 David Beard

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:47

Donington in its new depleted form yestereday. Not as bad as I expected, actually.





#547 Giraffe

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:01

Not a museum as such, but a display of racing cars at the long gone Bingley Hall in Birmingham from the early 1960s captured by Maurice Bruton...

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#548 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:17

Tony Marsh's Lotus 18 amongst them.

#549 kayemod

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:26

Tony Marsh's Lotus 18 amongst them.


Can't be! The display board says that it's a Lotus 15 doesn't it?


#550 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:35

Don't care! I know what I'm looking at. :)