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#101 eldougo

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 08:58

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alan Cox
[B]Nice to see that the Indy museum hasn't sold the W196 Mercedes that it was presented with, unlike another museum that shall remain nameless..

Come on Alan..... please tell us more,this sounds like a good story that I and many more do not know.

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#102 D-Type

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 09:42

[QUOTE]Originally posted by eldougo
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Alan Cox
[B]Nice to see that the Indy museum hasn't sold the W196 Mercedes that it was presented with, unlike another museum that shall remain nameless..

Come on Alan..... please tell us more,this sounds like a good story that I and many more do not know.
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Put simply, Daimler-Benz presented a W196 to the Montague Motor Museum at Beaulieu which became the [British] National Motor Museum. The National Motor Museum discovered they owned it rather than having it on loan - and sold it to a collector (Japanese, I think, rather than BCE)

#103 WDH74

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 19:38

Was in L.A. earlier this year and visited the Petersen Museum. While not strictly a racing museum they did have some competition cars on display.

1.) A Cunningham.

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2.) One of the Ol' Yellers (or Yallers, or Yallars, or whatever)

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3.) The Troutman-Barnes Special

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4.) The Pierson Brothers coupe (I'm a hot rodder at heart)

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5.) The most famous competition car in the world.

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#104 sterling49

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 20:40

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dbltop
[B]Now that I have scanned some of my photos, I can share some of them :wave:
My wife and I visited the Ford museum on our way back from the U.S. GP in 2002. There is a lot of interesting cars including this inside the front door.


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I can understand wanting to see this car, what a piece of automotive history, great car, superb driver!


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#105 Alan Cox

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 20:51

I agree with you about the Lotus 38, sterling, but it's a shame that they haven't got the size of the numbers quite right (picky, I know)

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#106 sterling49

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 20:59

You are seriously observant Alan... and I thought I was picky!


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#107 Gary C

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 21:04

and wouldn't we all like to see that 38 running again???

#108 sterling49

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 21:25

Originally posted by Gary C
and wouldn't we all like to see that 38 running again???


Having never seen this car Gary, I would (as I would for a reunion gig of Pink Floyd) travel extensively to see and HEAR this car, Indy was great in the '60's, not least because of those cars with the engines in the wrong end! As a kid, I remember asking dad how to pronounce Offenhauser........ :

#109 S&M Minis

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 03:29

The numbers on the Lotus 38 got smaller while the tires on the Lotus 29 became wider, go figure.

Picture originally posted by dbltp:

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The same car at an auto show in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1964 with the original tall, relatively narrow tires.

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I attended the 1963 Indianapolis 500 and seeing the 29 displayed by Ford Motor Company at this show was an unexpected bonus. There was no fanfare around this showing - the car was just "there" - and at the time I thought it was a little tacky looking. Nicely shined bodywork but the visible mechanicals didn't appear to be cleaned up. With the passing of time I have come to appreciate the track patina.

I don't know how the Lotus 38 or other Ford 4-cam powered cars sounded, but for me the sound of the 1963 race was dominated by the three Novis in the field. The howl their supercharged engines put out drowned out everything else.

Back to the theme of the thread, here's a couple shots from the Shelby American museum in Boulder, Colorado. The lighting and the number of cars on display make photography difficult. All of the race cars are purportedly the real thing (with one stated exception) and all are finished in the markings from a particular event they participated in. The #21 car is in unrestored condition from the end of the 1965 season and will remain that way. Pictures of most of the collection can be seen on their site: http://www.shelbyame...collection.org/

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#110 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 12:07

I've been given custody of about 1,000 colour slides of the Rolls-Royce Owners' Club of Western Australia, all taken circa 1990-1991. One box is of a motor museum, possibly not in WA, and in it was this cute little puppy:

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#111 gerard BARATHIEU

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 12:21

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Alan ,

Have you an idea if it is a PORSCHE 907 or a 908 ?

#112 Macca

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 12:37

I think it's a 908, from the winglets on the tail; the 907 has an oblong oil coiler intake in the nose and the 908 has an oval intake, but I can't see it well enough in the photo.

Does anyone have a photo of the Lotus 33 in the Caister Castle museum in Norfolk, or from when it was in the Donington Collection in the 1970's?

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#113 David McKinney

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 14:00

Originally posted by Terry Walker
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Is it a Killeen-MG or a Cooper-MG?

#114 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 16:25

I tried to read the badge but it looks like a crown or coronet above an oval but I can't be sure as I get into the grain of the film when I enlarge. Otherwise blowed if I know. I have established, by looking at a lot of other slides, that it was a West Australian collection, possibly not a museum. Lots of local number plates on the cars. Nice little unit, isn't it?

#115 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 16:28

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#116 bradbury west

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 19:54

David, I think you are correct with the Killeen MG, K1. All I have on it is a fairly full Mike McCarthy C&SC interview with Tom Killeen plus driving impressions, from September 1983. Looks like the same car, even down to the taped headlights, and the badge looks the same.

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#117 Andre Acker

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 15:53

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Fabrizio Violati in San Marino has his Maranello Rosso collection which features Ferrari on one floor and Abarth on the lower floor. Everyone talks about the Ferraris but the Abarths are something else. He has around 40 of them starting from a very rare Cisitalia-Abarth to the most modern prototype sports cars. If you are going on holiday to Rimini, and are fed up with the beach and the crowds take the road from there towards San Marino and just as the dual carriageway begins to climb look out for the Maranello Rosso sign.

Here with an example of the cars.

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Hi Graham,

Do they have a SE 21, the 2 litre car from 1972 ?
I am looking for photos of this particular car !

VBR.
André Acker.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 04:41

In the ALFA museum, Milan. Wonderful place but NOT easy to get to by public transport.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 17:04

From the Automovil Club Argentino Museum
Brabham BT30 1970 Formula 2

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Brabham BT36 1971 Formula 2

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#120 Andrew Fellowes

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 23:04

Originally posted by pitufo
From the Automovil Club Argentino Museum
Brabham BT30 1970 Formula 2

Do you know what chassis number that BT30 is please? I imagine its either 18 or 19.
Many thanks, Andrew

#121 pitufo

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 02:09

Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes

Do you know what chassis number that BT30 is please? I imagine its either 18 or 19.
Many thanks, Andrew


No idea, I'm sorry :|

#122 Andrew Fellowes

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 02:24

pitufo thank you for the reply,

I know that BT30-18 & 19 are in Argentina so it would be interesting to know which one this is. BT36-6 is in the museum and BT36-7 cant be far away!. I happen to think there may well be a third BT36 in Argentina.

Andrew
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#123 Terry Walker

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 06:17

This Jag engine look a touch non-stock, because it used to power a famous racing hydroplane in NSW. When the boat was finally outclassed, the owner whipped the Jag engine out and stuffed in some Detroit iron. The Jag engine was then abandoned untouched until the Fremantle Motor Museum bought it.

Question: (and I don't know the answer) : who was the boat/engine owner?

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#124 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 09:51

From Riga Motor Museum: the ZIL 112S (http://forums.autosp...&threadid=70006) :

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More photos will be soon...

#125 McTaff

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 13:08

A museum in Portugal, can't remember where at the moment.

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#126 Alexey Rogachev

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 09:53

Some more photos from Riga.

Pioner 2M gas turbine record car:

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Auto Union typ C/D:

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#127 Bob Johnson

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 21:45

This reply specifically applies to the image of the #82 Jim Clark Lotus 38
at Greenfield Village... back in 2001, just before the 100th anniversary
of Ford in the USA, I was commissioned to photo and measure the Lotus
38 for a scale model for Exoto... The 1965 Winner was apart at a Detroit
area display company getting a "freshening".... I was amazed what bad
shape such a historic car was in... the motor is siezed and there is
a lot of corrosion in the bottom end... the wheels were fitted with the
race day winning Firestones, but, the car had been dragged on and off a
trailer so many times, the sidewalls were shredded... they were in the
process of taking them off to be placed in the dumpster...

This car does not operate and at least it is better condition than it was..

The #83 Bobby Johns Lotus 38 was the 1966 Clark car.. it is owned by
a collector in Cincinatti, Ohio.. if you have seen the Vintage Ford racing
as, that is Jim's Lotus 38.. actually owned by his 18-year-old son.. if there
is interest, I could post the photos of the 1965 Clark car in pieces.. very
revealing!!

Bob Johnson / Charlotte, NC

#128 Pat Clarke

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 01:09

Bob, please, please do post those pictures. There are many out here who would love to see them.
Regards
Pat Clarke

#129 zakeriath

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 17:03

Had a chance to see the Williams F1 collection at thier Grove factory, well worth the effort.

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What other GP teams have museums you can visit?

#130 Barry Boor

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 20:20

The Donington Collection could easily be sub-titled the McLaren Museum:

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...and there are just as many on the other side of the aisle. Not to mention various other earlier models around the museum.

To a degree, the same can be said about B.R.M.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 21:26

Mind you, there are the odd Williams or so

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#132 Michael Oliver

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 23:04

Originally posted by Bob Johnson
This reply specifically applies to the image of the #82 Jim Clark Lotus 38
at Greenfield Village... back in 2001, just before the 100th anniversary
of Ford in the USA, I was commissioned to photo and measure the Lotus
38 for a scale model for Exoto... The 1965 Winner was apart at a Detroit
area display company getting a "freshening".... I was amazed what bad
shape such a historic car was in... the motor is siezed and there is
a lot of corrosion in the bottom end... the wheels were fitted with the
race day winning Firestones, but, the car had been dragged on and off a
trailer so many times, the sidewalls were shredded... they were in the
process of taking them off to be placed in the dumpster...

This car does not operate and at least it is better condition than it was..

The #83 Bobby Johns Lotus 38 was the 1966 Clark car.. it is owned by
a collector in Cincinatti, Ohio.. if you have seen the Vintage Ford racing
as, that is Jim's Lotus 38.. actually owned by his 18-year-old son.. if there
is interest, I could post the photos of the 1965 Clark car in pieces.. very
revealing!!

Bob Johnson / Charlotte, NC


Yes Bob, definitely like to see the photos please...

#133 Edington Mains

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 14:39

One or two will know me from hereabouts.. i was just having a sunday afternoon surf when i came across this thread, and i had this lot saved as a word document so i thought i may as well share it with ya all... (sorry its big!.. had to post it in sections, seems it would overload somebodys server..)
I Posted these elsewhere...But im more than happy to put them here rather than link to another forum......
[quote="ME (as Eddy Mains) :lol: "]Recently in the crash photo section there was a photo of David Purleys car which as many brits know, now resides in the Donington collection, i used to work for a company that has a site two miles away from there (funny that the site that i work at is two miles away from Oulton Park...) i take every opportunity to go and have a good look around when i'm in the area... ok us brits may well have visited before. but as for the overseas members on here who havn't, im going to post a few pictures i have taken over the years.
The collection is quiet a jewel for us and as Tom Wheatcroft has far more cars in his possession than will fit in the display halls the cars are shown in rotation....... this last time i went there where some newer cars that i hadnt seen before, yet there where also a few missing, most noticably some of the later Brabhams.. including the 'fan car'.
I do know that some of the cars in there are on permanant loan from the teams, so its nice that Frank, Bernie and Ron allow this so us mere mortals can view the 'art work' that is a formula 1 car up close and personal.......
So here goes......
(as i said, im sorry its such a big post....i have used thumbs so it doesnt take up too much space and you get a nice big picture when you click on the thumb.....!!!)

The Older side of the Mclaren hall
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The Newer Side

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more later Mclarens
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The Actual car Senna won the 1993 European GP at Donnington with
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Name the Cars Time.........
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Right thats it for now... more to follow..... heres a little appetiser
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Heres some more from The Donington Collection...

For our American Viewers...... another Mclarem..!!!
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And the Penske
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#134 Edington Mains

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 14:40

Team Willy Cars
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#135 Edington Mains

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 14:41

Mr Wheatcroft himself being interviewed at last years autosport show at birmingham
where there was a huge display of the cars in his stewardship....
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The Racingdrivers autograph wall...... see if you can spot any you know...
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Just a few more for now.......
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i thought id share some of my pics.... note the lack of crowds...... thursday trade day was a good day to go....!!
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Notice the false front wing.....

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Tom Wheatcroft.... in my eyes a hero, entrant for Roger Williamson and owner/keeper of the Donnington Collection....
the cars below are from there.....bought his (signed) book while i was there. this man deserves a Knighthood....
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#136 Edington Mains

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 14:42

Also have a look at BigTallGuys Blog....... Nuff Said
http://www.flickr.co...57594061867012/
(nice to see the Walrus on public display...)
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Probably duplicated ... but what the heck....
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Thanks to BigTallGuy for the Helmet pic...
What i like a lot is the atmosphere in the place... as well as the cars there are so many bits and pieces of memorabilia to look at... sometimes there whole collections of drivers trophies... in the corridors between the halls there are display cabinets full of toy cars.....
Just look in the back ground of the first 2 pics...
The 3rd pic is someones complete collection of motorsport stuff... donated to the museum...
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And just 4 more for you... there are pics in this thread of these already... but what the heck, the more the better i say...
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#137 macoran

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 15:24

Absolutely :up: :up:

#138 David M. Kane

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 15:47

:kiss: :up: :up: :up:

I need to visit Donnington!

#139 275 GTB-4

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 10:57

Originally posted by Edington Mains
Just a few more for now.......


Stunning post seems hardly appropriate Ed...well done :up:

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#140 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 18:44

The Gaydon Museum concentrates largely on road car heritage, but includes cars from BMC, British Leyland, Rover etc with a competition pedigree.

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Austin's 1908 GP contender (sorry, don't know the race history of the rather nice caravan), and Cecil Kimber's MG No 1

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Hopkirk/Liddon 1964 Monte winner, and Makinen/Easter 1965 Monte winner

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1965 Rover-BRM, and the nose bodywork from its first incarnation of 1963

#141 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 18:51

Where is the rest of #00 ? Beaulieu?

#142 sterling49

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 19:32

Great photos Eddy, just wiping the tears away from my eyes, the Lotus 72,49,25 are just stunning, as is the Brabham BT24(?) and the Ferrari 312, not forgetting 33 EJB Alan, a great little car :up:

So many cars, what to look at 1st :smoking:

#143 RS2000

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 20:18

Thought 33EJB had been restored to something a bit more original now? (although I seem to recall someone said with an inaccurate replica rally plate, even if the reg plate is more original and the totally inappropriate Castrol decal has been removed...).
As for AJB44B, is it the original or one of the replicas that did the dealer circuit at the time? The grille certainly isn't original! (any more than the one on the AJB44B that apeared on the RAC Golden 50 in 1982...). The original had the fittings for the headlight covers but doesn't appear fitted with them in period photos.

#144 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 21:29

#00 became #31, Barry. It was based on the original chassis.

These pics were taken some years ago, RS.

#145 chrisj

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 17:17

A bit off topic, sorry, but is it possible to do a day trip to the Donnington museum from London? I'll be in England this June and it would great to drag my wife and daughter there for the day. Thanks.

#146 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 18:36

Bit awkward to get to by public transport but if you are in a car it would be a couple of hours or so up the M.1. The circuit and museum are quite close to the motorway.

#147 zakeriath

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 19:11

National express the coach company

http://www.nationalexpress.com/

Run buses from Londom to the East Midlands airport which is almost next door, 5 minute taxi ride. You could do aday return with them, follow the airport link.

#148 wildman

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 06:02

A few from the Blackhawk Collection in Danville, California:

Briggs Cunningham's lightweight E-Type:
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Semi-lightweight E-Type:
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Gorgeous Bizzarrini P538:
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330 LM-B:
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The only surviving Mirage-bodied GT40:
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Mirage-Ford GR8:
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Alfa-Romeo BAT's:
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#149 drivers71

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 08:12

My photos from a recent and long-overdue re-visit to the Donington Collection, for those who haven't managed to get there yet:

http://s271.photobuc.....lection 2008/

My personal favorite, among so many favorites:

The Ferrari 125

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#150 Stephen W

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 14:54

Originally posted by David M. Kane
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I need to visit Donnington!


Better make that Donington! :wave: