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[Allen Brown]

Can anyone tell me who United Racing Stable were? They entered a Cooper Mk IV (T51) in F2 in 1959 for Bill Moss and others.

Were they an early UDT or Laystall Engineering team - i.e. Bob Gibson-Jarvie?

Allen

[Doug Nye]

Well - strangely enough - Alan Brown and Cyril (or Cecil???) Libowitz if I recall correctly. Ran the car(s) from a tiny garage workshop opposite Brownie's parents' plant nursery at the top of Stoughton Hill in Guildford???? I think Ken Tyrrell was involved too...

But then I am dog-tired right now....

NDC

[Allen Brown]

Thanks for that Doug.

I'm trying to educate myself on Mk IVs (T51s) and noticed that one J. R. T Gibson-Jarvie is recorded in Cooper factory records (1st edition, p334) as the purchaser of F2/8/59. F1R have identified that car as the T51 of United Racing Stable and Bill Moss.

Process of elimination might lead one to the same conclusion but I'm very wary of using that process when it comes to Coopers.

Allen

[Allen Brown]

Er, actually, process of elimination is no help as there's also a Reg Parnell T51 for Henry Taylor unexplained in 1959.

[David McKinney]

I'm sure Bob Gibson-Jarvie was the United Racing Stables geezer. Car also driven by Ivor Bueb, Ron Flockhart and Henry Taylor.
I'm equally sure Bill Moss never drove for the Alan Brown/C Libowitz combo - their main drivers were Gregory and McLaren. Also Mike Taylor, Peter Ashdown and R K Tyrrell

[Allen Brown]

Thanks David. Where did Bueb drive F2-8-59? He usually drove the BRP F2 T51-Borgward but was F2-8-59 the T51-Climax he tried to qualify at Monaco?

Any suggestions on the identity of the Parnell team T51 or was that Reg building his own cars from parts in the same way as his later Lotuses?

[David McKinney]

Can't answer the first question - my notes on these just list names.
I have no record of Reg Parnell having a T51 (other than his connection with the BRP/Yeoman Credit cars). There was a confusion of R H H Parnell F2 Coopers at the time, but R H H was (and is) Tim Parnell.
Henry Taylor was of course a Yeoman Credit regular in 1959, but also drove F2 Coopers that year for United Racing Stables, George Nixon and R H H Parnell.

[Allen Brown]

My source has this as Reg Parnell Racing but I think may have mistranslated this from entry lists that said RHH Parnell. I just looked at the Black Book and it has RHH Parnell as the entrant.

Henry Taylor raced a F2 car ten times in 1959 under this banner:

British Empire Trophy
Oulton Park - 11 April 1959

Prix de Paris
Montlhéry - 03 May 1959

Grand Prix de Pau
Pau - 18 May 1959

BRSCC F2 Race
Mallory Park - 28 June 1959

Coupe Internationale de Vitesse
Reims - 05 July 1959

Grand Prix de Rouen
Rouen-les-Essarts - 12 July 1959

British Grand Prix
Aintree - 18 July 1959 (An RHH Parnell entry on this occasion)

Trophee d'Auvergne
Clermont-Ferrand - 26 July 1959

Whitchurch F2 Race
Whitchurch - 01 August 1959

John Davy Trophy
Brands Hatch - 03 August 1959

I can't see any further entries of a Parnell T51 after these. Tim Parnell was at most of these 1959 races with the same entrant but in his older T45 (F2-7-58) and continued with the car into 1960.

After that 3 August race, Taylor moved to the United Racing Stable team and then drove the Laystall F2 car in early 1960. He was then a Yeoman Credit regular in 1960, not 1959 I believe.

So it's Tim Parnell that had the Henry Taylor T51, not Reg. Either way, I can't see a Parnell purchase of a T51.

Puzzling!

Allen

[David McKinney]

Yes, sorry about the wrong year for HT at YC.
Further to my earliers - I suspect that Tim might occasionally have used his father's name (ie, Reg Parnell Racing) to assist in securing entries.

[Allen Brown]

There's a Chris Nixon article on Henry Taylor in Autosport 26 Feb 1960 pp266-267 which says "At the beginning of last year, Reg Parnell asked Henry to drive in his son Tim's team". So reg was clearly heavily involved.

The article says little about United Racing Stable.

[HistoryFan]

Cyril (or Cecil???) Libowitz

Is there a bit more known about him?

[Barry Boor]

Allen asked

was F2-8-59 the T51-Climax he tried to qualify at Monaco?

Jenks' Motor Sport report of the '59 Monaco race says that this WAS the car that Bueb tried to qualify. It was originally a B.R.P entry but United Racing Stable took over the entry and Ivor Bueb drove it.

I am trying to find out if it was a plain green car. I guess it probably was.

Another thing has cropped up - there appear to have been THREE yellow Coopers trying to get into that race - two Belgian driven and one driven by Frenchman Jean Lucienbonnet. Or was his car blue?

Sorry it has taken three and a half years to answer your question, Allen.

[rudi]

Allen asked

Jenks' Motor Sport report of the '59 Monaco race says that this WAS the car that Bueb tried to qualify. It was originally a B.R.P entry but United Racing Stable took over the entry and Ivor Bueb drove it.

I am trying to find out if it was a plain green car. I guess it probably was.

Another thing has cropped up - there appear to have been THREE yellow Coopers trying to get into that race - two Belgian driven and one driven by Frenchman Jean Lucienbonnet. Or was his car blue?

Sorry it has taken three and a half years to answer your question, Allen.

The car driven by Lucienbonnet was blue.

[Barry Boor]

Dare I ask what sort of blue?

Light, dark or a mid French racing blue a la Talbot/Gordini?

[rudi]

Dare I ask what sort of blue?

Light, dark or a mid French racing blue a la Talbot/Gordini?

Here a capture from a movie film "Mademoiselle Ange" with Romy Scneider and
Jean-Paul Belmondo.
Unfortunately the Lucienbonnet Cooper can only be seen with the title.