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#5501 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 19:31

And I bought 1 new book , having given up on the 3 tome French Le Mans book (expensive) , I took the LE MANS 1960-69 by Quinting Spurring. 350+ pages lots of pics (many seen by me , but much better quality now) some great new ones , and some nice results pages. Along the lines of Parkers sports car books (also from Haynes). Will recommend the book !


I'll second your recommendation about the Spurring Le Mans 1960-69 book. The 1970-79 edition has been announced for some time now for publishing by around February 2011, but earlier today I saw that the 1950-59 edition should be around by April. Where might the 1949 race end up?

Just ordered the Parker 50s and 60s books, as the 70s version was quite OK - supplementing the Wimpffen tomes very adequetly at a much reduced price.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 20:17

One I would like to mention , Huscke von Hanstein - The Racing Baron (in English) , 290 pages , glazed paper , not read yet , but lots of pictures , many very good I think , worth every dime!


Bjorn:

Yes, that's a good book, and now it's quite scarce, at least in the US. We sold them when they were new, but it was very low-volume and soon went out of print.

Frank


#5503 MattKellett

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 23:23

On my Christmas list this year is:

Autocourse annual
Jo Siffert - by Ed Heuvink
Silver Arrow In Camera - by Anthony Pritchard
The Brother Rodriguez - by Carlos Eduardo Jalife-Villalón

...... and a few Autoart Jaguar models, i really would have loved to add the 1-12 scale D-Type, but a little too pricey.

Cheers
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#5504 pinnacle racing

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 10:36

I know some of you guys have bought Rainer Schlegelmilch's "The Golden Age of Formula 1". I'm thinking of buying that book but I would like to ask if the book has the exact same photos as already published in "Formula 1 in Camera 1970-1979" and "Formula 1 in Camera 1980-1989". I already have those 2 books and I don't want to waste my money on rehashed stuff.

#5505 Roger Clark

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 14:31

Tony Adriaensens new book, 'Ten Days in Sicily', was released today. The book, which took the author two years to put together, is a true gem. As we have come to expect from Tony, his latest work oozes quality. It is smaller in format than his wonderful 'Weekend Heroes' and therefore easier to handle. Color reproduction is just wonderful and the lay out is very tasteful. This beautiful book could even appeal to people with no interest in one of the most romantic and also dramatic periods of motorracing. Well done Tony, you're up there with the best!

Kind regards,

Mick

I can do no better than to endorse all the above. A book to be treasured for many years.

#5506 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 16:31

I can do no better than to endorse all the above. A book to be treasured for many years.


I'm anxiously awaiting arrival of my copy. I ordered it pre-publication, so thought I would have received it by now.

Jack.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 16:50

I'm anxiously awaiting arrival of my copy. I ordered it pre-publication, so thought I would have received it by now.

Jack.


I ordered a copy for my wife to give me for Christmas :) it took about ten days to arrive and turned up last week


#5508 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 18:29

I ordered a copy for my wife to give me for Christmas :) it took about ten days to arrive and turned up last week


How was the packaging? My copy of Weekend Heroes was damaged because the box wasn't rigid enough to support the weight of the book during the abuse it must endure in transit. The book's thickness and weight, combined with the landscape format, puts a lot of torque on the spine and weakens the binding.

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 19:20

How was the packaging? My copy of Weekend Heroes was damaged because the box wasn't rigid enough to support the weight of the book during the abuse it must endure in transit. The book's thickness and weight, combined with the landscape format, puts a lot of torque on the spine and weakens the binding.

Jack.


Double wrapped in cardboard, the book wasn't damaged. It came from Holland according to the markings on the box. I did email them when the book hadn't arrived after a week , they never replied but it turned up on the following day anyway

#5510 RA Historian

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Posted 12 December 2010 - 21:22

I ordered a copy for my wife to give me for Christmas :)

Well played! :up:

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#5511 PRD

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:15

Well played! :up:

Tom


Works well for both of us :)

#5512 Roger Clark

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 11:51

I'm anxiously awaiting arrival of my copy. I ordered it pre-publication, so thought I would have received it by now.

Jack.

Mine arrived within four days of ordering. Couriered and well packed.

#5513 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 16:26

David Cross with Bjørn Kjer are closing in on their deadline for their book on racecar transporters . An official preview is soon to follow. The book will be 350+ pages and ditto photos plus etc.

Edited by Bjørn Kjer, 14 December 2010 - 16:27.


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Posted 14 December 2010 - 16:40

I currently have a broad selection of used automotive books (about 1,200 titles) on Amazon. See http://www.amazon.co...dhallmotorbooks

Frank

#5515 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 00:12

Double wrapped in cardboard, the book wasn't damaged. It came from Holland according to the markings on the box. I did email them when the book hadn't arrived after a week , they never replied but it turned up on the following day anyway


I received a message from Tony today that the books were about two weeks behind schedule reaching him. I'm hoping mine is here by next weekend.

Jack.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 07:35

Does anyone know or own this title??

The Golden Era of New Zealand Motorracing by Graham Vercoe 1993???

Is it good?
Eoin Young does cite it in his Lady Wigram piece in Motorsport January 2011.
Thanks Michael

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 17:46

Does anyone know or own this title??

The Golden Era of New Zealand Motorracing by Graham Vercoe 1993???

Is it good?
Eoin Young does cite it in his Lady Wigram piece in Motorsport January 2011.
Thanks Michael


I have the book and I love it. It opened a whole new racing scene for me at the time I bought it. Be aware though that the chassis number listing sometimes needs crosschecking.

#5518 Tuboscocca

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 07:35

I have the book and I love it. It opened a whole new racing scene for me at the time I bought it. Be aware though that the chassis number listing sometimes needs crosschecking.


ERault--thank you!!
I didn't expect chassisnumbers in this book!! But now I will search a copy of this book!!
Thanks Michael


#5519 wenoopy

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 08:23

I have the book and I love it. It opened a whole new racing scene for me at the time I bought it. Be aware though that the chassis number listing sometimes needs crosschecking.


Graham Vercoe's books - "Historic Racing Cars of New Zealand"(1991) and "The Golden Era of New Zealand Motor Racing" (1993) - are a serious effort at a history of the sport in New Zealand.

However, they include many errors and omissions, and some of the conclusions he draws are questionable. As a first point of reference they are useful, but a serious researcher might be well advised to check further. They contain a good selection of photographs, although some captions are suspect(not uncommon in motor racing books). If anyone finds a copy of the "Historic Cars.." the end-papers are noteworthy : photos of two race-starts at Ohakea air base, where the width of the runway allowed up to 17 cars on the front row of the grid - !


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#5520 Pete Stowe

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:47

Colin Rawlinson, who a few years ago produced “The 500cc Racing Car” Shire book, has now completed, and recently had published, “Bodywork Optional But Desirable – the Story of 500cc Motor Car Racing”.

A 320 page hardback with 200 illustrations, this book covers the story of the 500cc cars from their inception, to their acceptance as International Formula 3 and through to the modern day.

Further details at www.parleybooks.co.uk

#5521 P0wderf1nger

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:54

Forgive me if I'd missed this, though I don't recall recent mention of it here, or a review in any of the magazines, but I was pleasantly surprised to find in Kingston's Waterstones yesterday that Susan Watkins' biography of Bernie has been published. I only took the briefest look at it, but the relative wieght of photographs across childhood, Lewis-Evans, Rindt and Brabham to F1 Supremo indicates a thorough job.

On a different note, I wish you all, in amongst the family and snow-clearing and equivalent southern hemisphere responsibilities, some quality reading time. It's been the usual pleasure conversing with you this year, and meeting a few of you too, and here's to more of the same in 2011.

Paul



#5522 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 23:17

And best wishes to you as well, Paul. One of the highlights of Diane's and my year was meeting you at Goodwood. We'll be back in 2012, God willing, and look forward to seeing you again. In the meantime, I'm sure we'll find plenty to chat about right here.

All the best to you and fellow TNF bookers.

Jack.

#5523 P0wderf1nger

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 23:23

We'll be back in 2012, God willing, and look forward to seeing you again.

Let's just make sure we find somewhere more salubrious for lunch!

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:57

Could anyone who has purchased a copy of the above book please advise me of the address and/or email contact for the publisher, Parker House Publishing Inc, who, strangely, do not seem to have a website?


Hello Alan:

You have an email.

best regards,

Marc Sonnery

#5525 Tuboscocca

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 17:52

Just received 15 Kilograms from France (3 volumes Le Mans Encyclopedia).

As it will be my Christmas present by my wife, it will NOT be opened until Christmas Eve...

Merry Christmas too all bookcollectors on TNF

Michael

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 19:15

Alan:

Tim Parker can be found at Parker House Publishing, 321 W. Olive St., Stillwater, MN 55082 USA; 651/439-6112.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 20:00

Which book? :blush:

#5528 bradbury west

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 21:01

Taking advantage of Veloce's excellent 45% discount offer, until December 31st, I received today, despite the 10" of snow which has fallen and stayed hereabouts since ordering the book, my copy of Terry O'Neil's Northeast American Sports Car Races 1950-1959. Covering an era and area in which I am not too knowledgeable, for me it is exactly what the title says. With a huge photo gallery, many in colour, of marques and models with which I am familiar, and a good selection of those which are new to me, it represents an ideal reference work, supported by full details of the circuits and people, plus a full schedule of race results.

Sitting alongside the various other works covering that era and other regions in the US, ( McCluggage, Lynch/Edgar/Parravao, Vintage American Race Cars, Weekend Heroes, Art Evans et al, ) it finds a very comfortable place on my shelves.

Not cheap at full list price, the discounted price offers excellent value IMHO. Mr O'Neil has another work due in April, Runway Racers, the story of airfield tracks in the US.

The discount means that anyone who still has not bought Michael Oliver's Tales from a Toolbox can almost steal it now.
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Roger Lund


BTW, for anyone wanting a comprehensive history of the rise and development of sports car racing in the US in the 50s and 60s in magazine article form would be wise to find copies of the last two issues of Vintage Racecar where the subject is covered in depth by TNF's very own Tom Schultz.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 21:41

BTW, for anyone wanting a comprehensive history of the rise and development of sports car racing in the US in the 50s and 60s in magazine article form would be wise to find copies of the last two issues of Vintage Racecar where the subject is covered in depth by TNF's very own Tom Schultz.

Thanks much for the plug, Roger, I appreciate it. To be specific, my article is on the history of the short lived USAC Road Racing Division. This was the first attempt at a regular series of pro road races in the US. There had been the occasional one-offs before, plus Sebring, but USAC was the first to try a series. It lasted from 1958 through 1962. Vintage Racecar ran my article in two parts, in the November and December issues.

Tom

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 22:06

Tom, sorry I made a pig's ear of the series description. I read them when the issues arrived and I have been to sleep since then, so another c.r.a.f.t. moment for me.
Roger

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 01:40

Quite alright, Roger. Perhaps the main reason I researched and wrote the article was the fact that while it was the first US Pro series, it has been all but forgotten. A pity, as there were a good number of very fine races, not to mention some great drivers who competed.
Tom

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:09

Alan:
Tim Parker can be found at Parker House Publishing, 321 W. Olive St., Stillwater, MN 55082 USA; 651/439-6112.

Many thanks for that, Frank. Marc Sonnery has kindly sorted out my query, for which many thanks.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 19:25

Surfing on the Veloce site, I've also noticed the following two forthcoming books (mid-2011):

Motor Racing – The Pursuit of Victory 1930-1962
Motor Racing – The Pursuit of Victory 1963-1972

which look to be nice companions to Motor Racing - Reflections of a lost era!!!




#5534 bradbury west

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 20:17

The former by Anthony Carter, and the latter by Steve Wyatt of Quilter House Photoarchives. BTW is he any relation to the old Wyatts of Diss?.
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Posted 24 December 2010 - 17:22

The former by Anthony Carter, and the latter by Steve Wyatt of Quilter House Photoarchives. BTW is he any relation to the old Wyatts of Diss?.
Roger Lund



Anthony Carter's book well worth a look. Lovely previously unpublished paddock and atmospheric shots.
Steve Wyatt is organiser and co-founder of Fressingfield Oily Rag Club who present terrific "guest speaker" events during the winter months (see http://forums.autosp...l=fressingfield ).
Having seen some of his Quilter House selection, I am sure the forthcoming title will be a great read.

I am a regular attendee at FORC meetings,as is Anthony Carter,so could be a little biased!

Compliments of the season to all.

Stephen

No relation as far as I know.

Edited by mgtd, 24 December 2010 - 18:49.


#5536 MattKellett

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 17:28

Taking advantage of Veloce's excellent 45% discount offer, until December 31st

The discount means that anyone who still has not bought Michael Oliver's Tales from a Toolbox can almost steal it now.
Usual Disclaimers
Roger Lund



Roger - I can't seem to find a discount on Veloce's website, where did you find it or did you receive a discount code?

Many thanks

Matt

#5537 Cris

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Posted 26 December 2010 - 19:04

Ditto what Matt said; would love to pick that book up. Link?

Thanks.

Cris

Roger - I can't seem to find a discount on Veloce's website, where did you find it or did you receive a discount code?

Many thanks

Matt



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Posted 27 December 2010 - 16:25

"The Welsh Rally" is a true "labour of love" for Martin Leonard (McTaff on here) and Mark Griffin. Only Tony Gardiner's "RAC Rally Action" comes anywhere near capturing the appeal of a major event for the ordinary motor club people - and that makes no attempt to provide entry/result data or the in depth analysis of its appeal that this book does.
This is the complete package. Like any motorsport history, from the date of publication onwards, new data will become available and I am already noticing minor additions I could have made in my own meagre contribution, limited to just one narrow area. For popular appeal it necessarily has to draw on the experiences of the top drivers (but who could have expected quite so much background on Ari Vatanen's first trip to Britain, or that the man himself would so promptly agree to turn up in Brecon earlier this year for the launch?).
That the "Welsh" was "the Clubman's International" is well known to all those who ever took part - and, with 240 accepted entries over each of several years, that is a lot of people. This book brings home to a more modern readership the addictive attraction rallying once was and how achievable the highest levels were. It was never possible for the ordinary club driver to take part in International races in the same way and racing history is now written mostly by those who watched rather than "did". That is not to neglect the Welsh Rally spectators and the extent of their committment and specialist knowledge is well covered. In some respects a sad contrast with today, when lager-swilling morons are putting at risk the use of some of the very same North Wales forests and the far more socially acceptable mountain bikers are taking over so many classic forest stages elsewhere.
If you want to understand the appeal of rallying and are not one of the overwhelming majority of club competitors who took part in this branch of the sport rather than any other, read this book if you read no other book on rallying. It will help understanding of why the devil we ever did it. As the late Dave Finch once said after several beers: "If we didn't do it, we'd have nothing to talk about for the rest of the year".
The Welsh has inevitably gone the way of the Liege, the Gulf London and the "old" RAC. Big brother won't trust us to be out of bed for even one night these days. Read this book to remember or learn the way it once was. No one is going to get rich from you doing so but it might encourage others to take on similar tasks. Now, who's for the Gulf London...?

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 17:20

Just received 15 Kilograms from France (3 volumes Le Mans Encyclopedia).

As it will be my Christmas present by my wife, it will NOT be opened until Christmas Eve...

Merry Christmas too all bookcollectors on TNF

Michael

Mine arrived on the 23rd, also a Christmas present from my wife, I had given up hope as the 24th is a bank holiday here. I understand the supplier only received them on the 14th.
It looks as though they have a lot more information than the earlier 1923-1992 two volume edition. Not sure about the hardback, would have liked something more conventional, albeit I imagine this cover is probably considerably more durable.


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#5540 Tuboscocca

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 17:56

Mine arrived on the 23rd, also a Christmas present from my wife, I had given up hope as the 24th is a bank holiday here. I understand the supplier only received them on the 14th.
It looks as though they have a lot more information than the earlier 1923-1992 two volume edition. Not sure about the hardback, would have liked something more conventional, albeit I imagine this cover is probably considerably more durable.



Congratulations Milestone!!

I looked through all three on three evenings , and despite slight 'disturbance of blood' in the upper legs, due to the weight--I AM DELIGHTED!!!
For me the BEST book at least of the year. And the masses of new and obscure photos are amazing.
I think, although not clothbound, the binding and paper are solid enough for frequent use!!

Now we have to find someone who makes a supplement tome on the Pre-tests and the 4 hour races held before the 24 Heures

All the best Michael

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 17:59

Mine arrived on the 23rd, also a Christmas present from my wife, I had given up hope as the 24th is a bank holiday here. I understand the supplier only received them on the 14th.
It looks as though they have a lot more information than the earlier 1923-1992 two volume edition. Not sure about the hardback, would have liked something more conventional, albeit I imagine this cover is probably considerably more durable.


Sorry,

I got mine from Palmier (Nimes , France) --and yours??

Michael

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 18:23

Sorry,

I got mine from Palmier (Nimes , France) --and yours??

Michael

:wave: Hi Michael, Mine came direct from Le Mans Racing in Le Mans. Must say, they were really well packed with 50mm of polystyrene surrounding them.
I've cross referenced a few years, certainly a lot more photos than the original 1923-1992 volumes. Many weeks of reading ahead of me. Happy reading to you as well.

Incidentally, it would appear that they have only sold 50 or so of the 500 aluminium covered €1000 limited edition variety.

Edited by milestone 11, 28 December 2010 - 18:26.


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Posted 28 December 2010 - 23:50

Two questions about books....

1) What is the status of the second volume of "Sunset On Kyalami"?

2) Are there any substantial differences between "Grand Prix Suisse" and "Swiss Made Grand Prix 1931-1954"? They are both by Cimarosti and have the same page count. Is "Swiss Made Grand Prix" a straight (albeit two-volume) reprint of "Grand Prix Suisse", or does it contain different material?

Thanks in advance for any info!

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:15

:wave: Hi Michael, Mine came direct from Le Mans Racing in Le Mans. Must say, they were really well packed with 50mm of polystyrene surrounding them.
I've cross referenced a few years, certainly a lot more photos than the original 1923-1992 volumes. Many weeks of reading ahead of me. Happy reading to you as well.

Incidentally, it would appear that they have only sold 50 or so of the 500 aluminium covered €1000 limited edition variety.


Thank you Milestone!!

Seems that the package was made at the printers-perfect with polysterene padding...
So you bought at Sophie...I reserved mine at the Retromobile in Paris..
Yes certainly month of reading.
IMHO the luxury version with metal slipcase and additional slipcases for each volume is a bit 'over the top' and 700 Euros more..

Best regards Michael

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:19

Two questions about books....

1) What is the status of the second volume of "Sunset On Kyalami"?

2) Are there any substantial differences between "Grand Prix Suisse" and "Swiss Made Grand Prix 1931-1954"? They are both by Cimarosti and have the same page count. Is "Swiss Made Grand Prix" a straight (albeit two-volume) reprint of "Grand Prix Suisse", or does it contain different material?

Thanks in advance for any info!


Helioseism,

Gary Kegel (author of Sunset) told me-Volume II depends on sponsoring or fund raising (he has even closed down his homepage).

The Cimarosti book: I do not think that's a reprint, as it seems to deal with motor cycles too...
My book dealer friend has it, but he has not the Suisse GP to compare...

Best regards Michael

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 10:29

Helioseism,

Gary Kegel (author of Sunset) told me-Volume II depends on sponsoring or fund raising (he has even closed down his homepage).

The Cimarosti book: I do not think that's a reprint, as it seems to deal with motor cycles too...
My book dealer friend has it, but he has not the Suisse GP to compare...

Best regards Michael


The "Swiss Made" books deal exclusively with the Bern motorsport events (also bikes). Both "GP Suisse" and "Swiss Made" are wonderful publications.

Best regards,
Mick

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 12:59

Taking advantage of Veloce's excellent 45% discount offer, until December 31st, I received today, despite the 10" of snow which has fallen and stayed hereabouts since ordering the book, my copy of Terry O'Neil's Northeast American Sports Car Races 1950-1959. Covering an era and area in which I am not too knowledgeable, for me it is exactly what the title says. With a huge photo gallery, many in colour, of marques and models with which I am familiar, and a good selection of those which are new to me, it represents an ideal reference work, supported by full details of the circuits and people, plus a full schedule of race results.

Sitting alongside the various other works covering that era and other regions in the US, ( McCluggage, Lynch/Edgar/Parravao, Vintage American Race Cars, Weekend Heroes, Art Evans et al, ) it finds a very comfortable place on my shelves.

Not cheap at full list price, the discounted price offers excellent value IMHO. Mr O'Neil has another work due in April, Runway Racers, the story of airfield tracks in the US.

The discount means that anyone who still has not bought Michael Oliver's Tales from a Toolbox can almost steal it now.
Usual Disclaimers
Roger Lund


BTW, for anyone wanting a comprehensive history of the rise and development of sports car racing in the US in the 50s and 60s in magazine article form would be wise to find copies of the last two issues of Vintage Racecar where the subject is covered in depth by TNF's very own Tom Schultz.


I have received the Terry O'Neill US spoprts Car Racing book - an excellent bit of research giving masses of details esp the full results, and photos. My "book of the year"
RAP

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:46

Veloce's 45% discount was beaten by the Poundland 94% discount on their reissue of Bill Boddy's Montlhéry book.
I do wish Veloce spent a bit more on a publisher's editor and a little less on the quality of the paper/printing when they publish their major works on motoring history (and, yes, I have suggested that to them directly). If they did, perhaps they wouldn't have to remainder/discount quite so soon.

#5549 Vitesse2

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:52

The errors in Boddy's Montlhéry book were all carried over from the original Cassell edition from the early 60s which I doubt sold many copies at full price either - I'd guess they just OCR'ed the text and reset it unedited. If you come across period adverts for the Motoraces Book Club you'll find they were offering it at a very low price and I suspect they had bought the remainder stock from Cassell.

#5550 Simon Davis

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 12:30

Two questions about books....

1) What is the status of the second volume of "Sunset On Kyalami"?

2) Are there any substantial differences between "Grand Prix Suisse" and "Swiss Made Grand Prix 1931-1954"? They are both by Cimarosti and have the same page count. Is "Swiss Made Grand Prix" a straight (albeit two-volume) reprint of "Grand Prix Suisse", or does it contain different material?

Thanks in advance for any info!



The 'Swiss Made Grand Prix' volumes do not provide full entry lists or details of anyone who did not finish a race. However, the photographs are what make these books and the overall publication quality is very high. Highly recommended.