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#6251 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 12:59

Arjan, the books are not the interesting thing here--but the 'givers'.??

Regards Michael

Formula-tastic!

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#6252 ensign14

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 13:00

Ensign lives in Birmingham, it probably came through a window.

Oi! There are some very nice houses in Birmingham. I even live near some of them.

#6253 D-Type

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 15:23

Oi! There are some very nice houses in Birmingham. I even live near some of them.

Ah, I see - just right for chucking rocks at! :lol:

#6254 Tuboscocca

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 16:19

Formula-tastic!


Thanks Arjan--and sorry for the (rude) joke!!

Michael

#6255 Frank S

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 21:52

I received Travels with Charley in Search of America, by John Steinbeck, unabridged 7-disc version read by Gary Sinise.

A Pete Lyons calendar for 2012.

... a rattlesnake under a rock.

#6256 Tuboscocca

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 12:03

''Gruppe C'' by Thomas Nehlert petrolpics (publisher)

New book on Gruppe C (group C) over the period 1982-92 by petrolpics. 49 Euros, 288 pages 23x30 cm oblong.

Nicely done book ,which contains almost all marques involved and a lot of good pictures. Foreword by Jochen Mass, additional interviews with Porsche engineers.

In GERMAN!!
Only (slight) critisism: no technichal data tables --no Index!!

http://www.motorspor...-1982-1992.html

Regards and recommended Michael

Edited by Tuboscocca, 30 December 2011 - 12:04.


#6257 zakeriath

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 10:42

Can anybody advise me as to where I can find and buy a copy of "A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960 -1975".

#6258 Simon Davis

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 14:17

Can anybody advise me as to where I can find and buy a copy of "A Record of South African Formula 1 Racing 1960 -1975".



Good question. I tried looking for this title myself some time ago. I contacted the F1 Register to no avail. Good luck with your hunt.

#6259 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 14:41

Rarer than rocking horse poo, gentlemen. It was a limited edition of just 100 copies, the whereabouts of several of which can be determined here. That thread accounts for 12.5% of the total.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 16:03

Rarer than rocking horse poo, gentlemen. It was a limited edition of just 100 copies, the whereabouts of several of which can be determined here. That thread accounts for 12.5% of the total.

Which unfortunate sod only has half of it?

#6261 Michael Ferner

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Posted 02 January 2012 - 17:51

Which unfortunate sod only has half of it?


Me. But then again, I can't complain, because I got it for free... :p

#6262 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 22:49

''Gruppe C'' by Thomas Nehlert petrolpics (publisher)

New book on Gruppe C (group C) over the period 1982-92 by petrolpics. 49 Euros, 288 pages 23x30 cm oblong.

Nicely done book ,which contains almost all marques involved and a lot of good pictures. Foreword by Jochen Mass, additional interviews with Porsche engineers.

In GERMAN!!
Only (slight) critisism: no technichal data tables --no Index!!

http://www.motorspor...-1982-1992.html

Regards and recommended Michael


I should have this title - along with a new book about the DTM 1984-1996 - on the way by now. Sounds promising

Jesper

#6263 Tuboscocca

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:23

I should have this title - along with a new book about the DTM 1984-1996 - on the way by now. Sounds promising

Jesper

Jesper--can't say anything on the DTM book. BUT the Group C is very interesting--good overview . And if you happen to have other books on Group C (Ian Briggs)..than it is a worthwhile addition.. Good explanations (i.e. TOM's ,Toyota and Dome) .Nice (new) photos too..
BTW the author is public prosecutor!!

Best regards Michael

Just reading the Warr-Lotusbook--very interesting!!

#6264 Colbul1

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 11:24

Just reading the Warr-Lotusbook--very interesting!!


I've just finished reading 'Team Lotus: My View From the Pitwall' by Peter Warr and in the main I thought it a very good read. The background information on the engineers and mechanics of the teams are most enlightening and clearly the respect for Colin Chapman I thought shines through. Simon Taylor does an excellent job of weaving together the unfinished manuscript to ensure the book is well rounded and feels like it has a beginning, middle and end.

The section on the drivers though I though was a bit of a disappointment. I'm no Mansell acolyte, but I did find the blatant hatred of Mansell a bit excessive and perhaps should have been edited down by the publisher. I can understand that they didn't see eye to eye and we all know 'Our Nige' likes a good whinge, but at times some of the comments laid at Mansell's door are either unwarranted in the context of the book or are plain unfair. I also thought the section on Senna was the complete opposite and tended towards the sychophantic, clearly Senna wasn't at fault for collision at Japan 1990, Balestre and Prost were...

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 14:36

As also seen in the Watkins Glen thread, Michael Argetsinger sits down with Jay Leno for a ten minute discussion of Formula One at Watkins Glen: 20 Years Of The United States Grand Prix.

http://www.jaylenosg...-glen/#comments

#6266 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 19:31

Jesper--can't say anything on the DTM book. BUT the Group C is very interesting--good overview . And if you happen to have other books on Group C (Ian Briggs)..than it is a worthwhile addition.. Good explanations (i.e. TOM's ,Toyota and Dome) .Nice (new) photos too..
BTW the author is public prosecutor!!

Best regards Michael

Just reading the Warr-Lotusbook--very interesting!!


Received both titles Saturday, but only have had time for a quick browse through "Gruppe C" by Thomas Nehlert and "DTM 1984-1996" by Jochen Von Osterroth, Christian Reinsch and Peter GH. Sebald. Both looks like being made up by a good mix of pictures and text. The group C book seems to have a few words for even some of the most obscure cars, while the DTM book also have a bit of back ground on some of the lesser names that took part.

Jesper

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 21:37

Received both titles Saturday, but only have had time for a quick browse through "Gruppe C" by Thomas Nehlert and "DTM 1984-1996" by Jochen Von Osterroth, Christian Reinsch and Peter GH. Sebald. Both looks like being made up by a good mix of pictures and text. The group C book seems to have a few words for even some of the most obscure cars, while the DTM book also have a bit of back ground on some of the lesser names that took part.

Jesper



Jesper ,

40+ pages on the small entrants and cars (obscures) and private entrants. Group C2 is mentioned during the season's descriptions --no extra chapter.
But nonetheless good book!!

Regards Michael

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 07:09

I got Senna Vs Prost by Malcolm Folley, czech version. Well, there are awfully lot of typing errors, but I should be happy for every motorsport book in czech language. I got it from my girlfriend. I also got from her Dan Wheldon´s t-shirt, which she designed. Marvellous! :)

#6269 Tuboscocca

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 14:20

Belgian Racing Legends (catalogue)

There is an excellent exhibition : Belgian Racing Legends at the Autoworld in Brussels (til 15 January only).

They produced an excellent catalogue too. Softbound A4-format 116 pages. 25 Euros.(Flemish,French,English)

The catalogue is a collection of (no less) than 61 belgian driver - portraits , and not only the famous ones , like Swaters, Gendebien, Mairesse and Ickx. But a lot of lesser known too.

Additionally there are 37 car portraits too, which played a role in Belgian racing.

I can recommend it. Great (unseen) photos.

For the catalogue you have to contact autoworld!

http://www.autoworld.be/

Best regards Michael

Edited by Tuboscocca, 13 January 2012 - 14:23.


#6270 LittleChris

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 20:50

I got Senna Vs Prost by Malcolm Folley, czech version.



English version is on sale in "The Works" in Hemel Hempstead ( & probably a good few other places ) for £2.99

#6271 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 21:45

English version is on sale in "The Works" in Hemel Hempstead ( & probably a good few other places ) for £2.99

Bath as well. But I really wasn't that bothered ...

#6272 LittleChris

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 23:17

Me neither :)

#6273 Alan Cox

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 17:31

RACING CAR TRANSPORTERS AT WORK by David Cross with Bjørn Kjer has gone to the printer !

Can't wait to see a copy - Tempted by Mick Walsh's preview in the latest Classic and Sportscar.
http://www.amazon.co...c...1383&sr=1-1

#6274 ryan86

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 18:15

At this time last year, The Works it appeared Haynes had some sort of clearout (though I've been into shops before Christmas and they appeared to still have some of the same books they had then, especially the F1 Annuals), anything similiar this year?

#6275 RS2000

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 18:43

It was always going to be a difficult call as to whether Peter Robinson should follow up his book "Memory Lanes" so quickly with an updated book - "Memory Lanes Revisited".
This is not a "commercial" publication as such and, like the first version, it will probably cost him money. The problem was that, as soon as the first version was published, it sparked off a whole lot of new data from various contributors or readers being made available. "A lot of attics had been searched even more carefully".
This is the story of three classic years in the Motoring News (Road) Rally Championship. To foreign members here it may be worth explaining that "road rallying" in England and Wales had little in common with US-style "Time and Distance" rallies and was little short of full-bloodied racing on open public roads (surviving so long because it was in the dark and in areas of low population).
The revised and extended edition incorporates the odd correction to photo captions and a fair bit of new data on entry lists etc. If Peter Robinson had not gone ahead with a revised edition, no one else was going to make this data available and it would have been lost to history. Racing people may find that difficult to grasp but the fact is that club level motorsport in the UK overwhelmingly revolved around road rallying until the changes dating from 1988. Many motor clubs, including some of those promoting events at the then pinacle of the sport have since fallen by the wayside and records, if ever kept, have been lost. UK motor clubs were often "one or two men and a dog" doing the real organisation from their own homes and many paper archives soon disappeared. There were no Programmes to be kept by spectators - a source of much racing history today.
I for one was not entirely pleased to see a new book so soon, despite it covering the odd correction I had pointed out to the author, and I am one of those most interested in the car details (including registration numbers) now included. £44 on top of £30 is a lot of money but where else was the data going to be brought together? This will appeal to a very specialised enthusiast reader and I hope it sells enough copies to have made it worthwhile. If you really cared about MN rallies back in the day and have the earlier book, you will find you can't live without this extra data. It's most certainly not a commercial money-making ploy. It has the added attraction of including a vast selection of photos from Ted Walker of this parish. No less than John Brown has been the proof reader for this edition
(and I'm sure the wrong caption I've just noticed on Page 184 is neither down to him nor Ferret Photography but is an inevitable error from the time the book passes from the hands of the author to the publisher)(for the anoraks, a Ferret photo captioned as Sparrow/Raeburn is of west country crew Lock/Shutler but has carried forward a caption from the previous page).
I would have preferred to have waited a little longer to see if any of the still missing data would emerged from any other attics but the author justifiably feels he needs closure now and needs to move on. Be grateful for his efforts.

Edited by RS2000, 14 January 2012 - 21:51.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 18:53

At this time last year, The Works it appeared Haynes had some sort of clearout (though I've been into shops before Christmas and they appeared to still have some of the same books they had then, especially the F1 Annuals), anything similiar this year?


I get the impression they're moving out of books. Only a small stock of utter drivel in Shrewsbury branch for a couple of months now.

#6277 Vitesse2

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:20

I get the impression they're moving out of books. Only a small stock of utter drivel in Shrewsbury branch for a couple of months now.

Well, the stationery and toy lines tend to be higher margin and they certainly seemed to go big on non-book items over Christmas. I was in the Bath branch earlier in the week and they appeared to have been ruthless in cutting prices on ends of lines to clear the decks. There didn't seem to be much new (post-Christmas) stock, which could mean either that they've got a few cash flow problems or that the remainder stock just isn't around at the moment. To be honest, I suspect the latter - only the most foolish publisher would have been maintaining high print runs over the past couple of years - and it wouldn't surprise me to see the remainder market contract, at least in the short term. That batch of Haynes titles last January was very unusual.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:31

I get the impression they're moving out of books. Only a small stock of utter drivel in Shrewsbury branch for a couple of months now.


No idea how representative it is, but the branch of The Works here in Poole has never carried much that was worthwhile in the book line, certainly I've never found anything there worth buying. I wonder if individual shop managers can to some extent dictate stocking policy?


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:36

Caption in Autosport this week suggested Cedric Selzer will have an autobiog out next year, can't remember if that's been mentioned but no harm in mentioning it again. :)

Given the content of his interview in the mag, it should be most interesting.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 19:57

The Works always did have a lot of colouring books, crayons, etc as well as books. Then they took over County Books and the book content went up (Or was it County Bookshops? whichever was not an alter ego of Sussex Stationers). Then the standard gradually went down again until the proportion of non-books is now higher than originally and even includes bags of [cut price] sweets!.
It's very much a case of "Here today and gone tomorrow" so I look in once a month or so. My last purchase was a road atlas for £1.99 to replace the last one that I used on a rainy day with obvious results. I saw that they had a last copy of Joy Rainey's book at 99p but I had already bought one at four or five times that.
Having said that, I have about 15 books from there - well the price was right

Edited by D-Type, 28 January 2012 - 17:08.


#6281 Tuboscocca

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 20:44

Caption in Autosport this week suggested Cedric Selzer will have an autobiog out next year, can't remember if that's been mentioned but no harm in mentioning it again. :)

Given the content of his interview in the mag, it should be most interesting.



Ensign , in the same article on Jim Clark, Edd Straw is citing a title: 'Portrait of a racing driver' by Paul Hamlyn....
It took some time to work out that 'young' Straw meant probably Graham Gauld's book on Jim Clark: portrait of a great racing driver..(published , by the way, by Paul Hamlyn)..

Or am I wrong??

Regards Michael

#6282 Vitesse2

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 21:33

That'll be the one, Michael.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 22:42

hello,

has anybody on here read the book, titled: enzo osella - the history? it's 280 pages and costs 60 euros. if the book is good, i will most probably buy it. any opinions on the book would be greatly appreciated. the book in question: http://www.osellacor.../index_eng.html

#6284 ensign14

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 23:17

A book on Osella? :love:

#6285 Tuboscocca

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 11:01

hello,

has anybody on here read the book, titled: enzo osella - the history? it's 280 pages and costs 60 euros. if the book is good, i will most probably buy it. any opinions on the book would be greatly appreciated. the book in question: http://www.osellacor.../index_eng.html



Welcome Golden Era!

Yes , IMHO, the book is good--the whole story, plus a DVD containing a long interview with Enzo Osella, and (for me the best) some inboard footage of Osellas at hillclimbs (in Italy) and other racing.

To the best of my knowledge there is an English version too..

Regards Michael

#6286 midgrid

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 15:31

To the best of my knowledge there is an English version too..


Yes, an English edition is available.


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Posted 15 January 2012 - 20:40

A book on Osella? :love:


all we need now is a similar book on minardi, and possibly forti too, although the latter will obviously cover 'lower' formulae mostly.


Book on Osella: mentioned in post no. 6176.


indeed - it is mentioned, but the person is posting that they came across the site, not that they have read the book.


Welcome Golden Era!

Yes , IMHO, the book is good--the whole story, plus a DVD containing a long interview with Enzo Osella, and (for me the best) some inboard footage of Osellas at hillclimbs (in Italy) and other racing.

To the best of my knowledge there is an English version too..

Regards Michael


thank you for the welcome, michael. thank you for your opinion - it looks like i will be purchasing the book, although i do wish the price was a bit less than it is, but i understand why it is. this dvd ... there is a page on the english site linking about the dvd, but the page doesn't exist. i will ask the author if the english version of the book comes with the dvd, and with subtitles for the interview.

thank you to those who have contributed to this thread over the years - this thread has been the starting point for my collection of formula 1-related books.

Edited by GoldenEra, 15 January 2012 - 20:41.


#6288 MichaelM

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:19

I can confirm that the english version of the Enzo Osella book does come with the DVD.

Michael

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:39

I can confirm that the english version of the Enzo Osella book does come with the DVD.

Michael

Bought mine in the UK from www.allautobooks.com - very interesting, decent quality book.

#6290 ryan86

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:30

http://www.amazon.co...4...1-1&seller=

For those interested who buy the Autocourse reviews, Amazon's Warehouse is selling copies of the latest edition which have damaged covers at roughly 1/4 price.

Edited by ryan86, 16 January 2012 - 15:30.


#6291 Tuboscocca

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 17:05

http://www.amazon.co...4...1-1&seller=

For those interested who buy the Autocourse reviews, Amazon's Warehouse is selling copies of the latest edition which have damaged covers at roughly 1/4 price.



Or a dream dancer ('support small business' (what kind of business??)) for 999 GBP!!

Michael

#6292 Tuboscocca

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 15:16

Leslie Ballamy Story

does anyone know this book by Tony Russel:

''The Leslie Ballamy Story''?? MRP 2004.

http://www.amazon.co...0...8-1&seller=

It was mentioned in an interesting story of Classic and Sportscars (Feb 2012). The story was on tuning Ford Pops and Ballamy has had a business for tuning components (i.e.complete frontaxles and suspension).

Is the book interesting, giving insight in the early tuning-business?

Many thanks Michael

#6293 ensign14

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 16:00

You may have noticed the Kraken Opus on Ferrari, a book that seems to be designed so that you can't actually read it unless you're Geoff Capes, and which is only affordable to people who own Ferraris.

Well, the content is available as an app for less than a tenner. Which sounds a decent enough compromise to me. Although I doubt they could make it any more blatant that the book itself is designed as a collector's item rather than literature...

#6294 Vitesse2

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 16:20

I was silly enough to buy this - avoid like the plague!!

Rubython seems almost obsessed by Hunt & the triangle between Hunt (whom he has written a biography on), his soon-to-be ex-wife & Richard Burton (whom he has also written a biography on). Maybe he saw this as an opportunity to display his knowledge on this "important" issue in the battle for the 1976 F1 World Championship :rolleyes: . Meanwhile, the sum total of his "insight" into Lauda appears to be lifted verbatim from "To Hell & Back". So this is hardly an even-handed treatment of the main protagonists.

It's also telling that there is no bibliography, which I think is unique in any biography I have ever read. That really should have warned me...

The level of pro-British Hunt/anti-foreigner Lauda bias is staggering (The British GP crowd are almost commended for throwing missiles on to the track, whilst the Italian GP crowd are lambasted for daring to spit on Hunt. Lauda is strongly criticised for the way he breaks up with one girlfriend, yet Hunt's serial infidelity if presented as cold fact without any comment. Lauda is described as being "high on painkillers" at the Spanish GP, yet Hunt was simply "given" pain-killing injections for the US GP), never mind the fact that it is frequently contradictory (he claims in the Foreward that Lauda DIDN'T lose the championship because of his accident, yet later in the narrative he confirms this is indeed almost certainly the case) and the proof-reading is non-existent - the results for the Japanese GP tell us that Hunt was driving a Tyrrell-Ford P34, as was Jochen Mass! Not only that, but Alan Jones was driving a McLaren-Surtees & Ertl was driving a "Hesketh-Ford-Ford" - amazing that Ertl didn't manage to win the race having the benefit of 2 engines!

He also claims that Lauda's helmet was wrenched off in the accident due to him having added extra foam padding. This may or may not be true, but it is presented as fact in the narrative without any backup from any learned authority. He then also accuses Daily Express journalist David Benson of being "probably part of a cover up to hide what really happened"! By this stage, I began to wonder if this was written whilst wearing a tinfoil hat. Unforgivably, he then twists this into an excuse to blame Lauda for the injuries he received in the crash.

Equally surprising is his presentation of the exact cause of Lauda's crash (almost down to the corner where the original component failure was allegedly caused), which is revelatory since Ferrari have never published any full results of their own investigation. How can he be so sure of the cause, when no-one else is? Where is his research, his evidence, corroboration of these "facts"?

I could go on, but you get the picture. Easily the most poorly-researched, biased book on F1 I have ever had the misfortune to read.

You are not alone in your opinion. Apart from two suspiciously laudatory 5 star reviews (one by a Mrs P Meanwell!) it's been panned on Amazon. Comments include "slipshod"; "the quality of the proof reading is dreadful and the story is riddled with contradictions and inaccurate details"; "could have made a great read, but sadly didn't"; "could not wait to finish it for all the wrong reasons"; "a load of balls"; "great subject rather ruined by lumbering prose and that worst of faux pas, the overuse of words the author didn't check the meaning of."

That last one could probably be applied to Mr Rubython's entire oeuvre. It's only a shame that Pete Fenelon is no longer with us, since I'm sure he could have given this pile of steaming crap the review it really deserves!


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 16:26

You are not alone in your opinion. Apart from two suspiciously laudatory 5 star reviews (one by a Mrs P Meanwell!) it's been panned on Amazon. Comments include "slipshod"; "the quality of the proof reading is dreadful and the story is riddled with contradictions and inaccurate details"; "could have made a great read, but sadly didn't"; "could not wait to finish it for all the wrong reasons"; "a load of balls"; "great subject rather ruined by lumbering prose and that worst of faux pas, the overuse of words the author didn't check the meaning of."

That last one could probably be applied to Mr Rubython's entire oeuvre. It's only a shame that Pete Fenelon is no longer with us, since I'm sure he could have given this pile of steaming crap the review it really deserves!


And yet it's featured in the books section of the February 2012 Motor Sport. I thought they were a little more . . . discerning. :rolleyes:


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 16:49

While visiting the folks recently I picked up "Against Death and Time" by Brock Yates and was mightily underwhelmed, so underwhelmed in fact that I finally put it down with great relish after getting just halfway through it. I found the first person narrative 'faction' dumb and terribly contrived. I was expecting better.....

#6297 Vitesse2

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 17:04

While visiting the folks recently I picked up "Against Death and Time" by Brock Yates and was mightily underwhelmed, so underwhelmed in fact that I finally put it down with great relish after getting just halfway through it. I found the first person narrative 'faction' dumb and terribly contrived. I was expecting better.....

Heh. We've been down that road before ...

http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=3984395 et seq

:wave:

I bought a second-hand uncorrected proof copy of that for £1.99. About £1.97 more than it was worth. :rolleyes:

#6298 red stick

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 17:21

While visiting the folks recently I picked up "Against Death and Time" by Brock Yates and was mightily underwhelmed, so underwhelmed in fact that I finally put it down with great relish after getting just halfway through it. I found the first person narrative 'faction' dumb and terribly contrived. I was expecting better.....


One of the most disappointing books I've ever read, but at least mine was a library borrow. But Yates isn't entirely hopeless; as I pointed out in my Amazon review, if you've never read Sunday Driver, seek it out.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 18:28

And yet it's featured in the books section of the February 2012 Motor Sport. I thought they were a little more . . . discerning. :rolleyes:

Wasn't it one of those "up to Archer's usual standard" type reviews though?

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 19:18

Wasn't it one of those "up to Archer's usual standard" type reviews though?


I'll grant you that "fans of Rubython's previous tomes will no doubt be well satisfied" could be damning with faint praise. But when you highlight four or so books a month, 48 a year, and assuming that Motor Sport's readership is at least as discriminating as the members of this board, well, maybe it was a slow month.  ;)

Edited by red stick, 22 January 2012 - 19:18.