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#6601 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 17:33

Has the title Back On Track, Racing in the 40s, annouced in the link below ever been published?

http://forums.autosp...a...st&p=804046

I have been looking for the title here at TNF and on the rest of the net, but found nothing. It sounds interesting though!

Jesper

Sadly, Alessandro was never able to interest a publisher. :well: Which frankly says a lot more about the shortsightedness of publishers than about the quality of his manuscript.

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#6602 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 18:41

Thank you for the reply, Vitesse2 ..although I had preferred a review of a treassure of a book. I can only agree with your comments above.

Jesper

#6603 RAP

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 13:12

Forum members may be interested to know that the FORMULA ONE REGISTER has published a 2nd Edition of A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Volume 4 (1937-1949). This volume of the “black book” series has been unavailable for some time.

The new edition has much updated information, notably on Maserati and Ferrari chassis numbers, thanks to the help of forum members Adam Ferrington and Michael Muller and Andre Vaucourt has shared his expertise on Delahaye.

This new book adds to the set of 2nd Editions which now cover 1937 to 1964.
Available from Formula One Register http://www.formulaon...r.com/index.htm.
These books are not sold through Amazon !!
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 20:18

Forum members may be interested to know that the FORMULA ONE REGISTER has published a 2nd Edition of A Record of Grand Prix & Voiturette Racing Volume 4 (1937-1949). This volume of the “black book” series has been unavailable for some time.

The new edition has much updated information, notably on Maserati and Ferrari chassis numbers, thanks to the help of forum members Adam Ferrington and Michael Muller and Andre Vaucourt has shared his expertise on Delahaye.

This new book adds to the set of 2nd Editions which now cover 1937 to 1964.
Available from Formula One Register http://www.formulaon...r.com/index.htm.
These books are not sold through Amazon !!
RAP


Hmm, worth considering, RAP. Thank you.

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#6605 Simon Davis

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:47

If anyone is interested in pre-war German hillclimbs there is a new book out entitled:- "Als Caracciola an den Krähberg kam Die historischen Krähberg-Rennen 1921 - 1927".

It is in German and is available directly from the author, Michael Schmitt, via German ebay. The link is as follows:-

http://www.ebay.de/i...=item3a75b89eca

The book is one of those low volume productions which definitely caters for a niche market. However, if the Krähberg-Rennen or pre-war German hillclimbs float your boat then the book is an admirable effort with plenty of information and a good selection of photos, many from private collections. The title of the book is clearly taking advantage of Caracciola's one-and-only entry in the 1923 event.




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Posted 20 June 2012 - 19:48

If anyone is interested in pre-war German hillclimbs there is a new book out entitled:- "Als Caracciola an den Krähberg kam Die historischen Krähberg-Rennen 1921 - 1927".

It is in German and is available directly from the author, Michael Schmitt, via German ebay. The link is as follows:-

http://www.ebay.de/i...=item3a75b89eca

The book is one of those low volume productions which definitely caters for a niche market. However, if the Krähberg-Rennen or pre-war German hillclimbs float your boat then the book is an admirable effort with plenty of information and a good selection of photos, many from private collections. The title of the book is clearly taking advantage of Caracciola's one-and-only entry in the 1923 event.



Thanks Simon

ordered mine, you HAVE to support such efforts...

Michael

#6607 Simon Davis

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 10:37

Thanks Simon

ordered mine, you HAVE to support such efforts...

Michael


I totally agree , Michael. I have my copy already. The author was a pleasure to deal with and very efficient.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 17:10

I totally agree , Michael. I have my copy already. The author was a pleasure to deal with and very efficient.



Mine is in the post..a very friendly Mr Schmitt, more a kind of a local historian...

How did you know of this one?? ..Shame on me ! An English Forum gave me the hint...

Regards Michael

#6609 Simon Davis

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:06

Mine is in the post..a very friendly Mr Schmitt, more a kind of a local historian...

How did you know of this one?? ..Shame on me ! An English Forum gave me the hint...

Regards Michael



Michael,
That was indeed an achievement. Your radar for discovering new books is amazing. On this occasion it was the use of 'Caracciola' in the book's title that caught my attention on ebay.
Simon.

#6610 Tuboscocca

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:55

Michael,
That was indeed an achievement. Your radar for discovering new books is amazing. On this occasion it was the use of 'Caracciola' in the book's title that caught my attention on ebay.
Simon.

Simon thanks for the kind words!!

To prove it right: a new book (slightly delayed) on AUTODELTA 1963-83
http://www.giorgiona...odotto_413.aspx

Sorry only Italian, but with 400+ photos..

Ordered mine ,of course!!

Best regards Michael



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Posted 23 June 2012 - 19:33

Mum and Dad!!!!!

Just finished : I only made the Tea by Di Spires and Bernard Ferguson (Haynes)

A wonderful book . A couple who started 30 years ago to cater F1 teams....full of anecdotes

HIGHLIEST (yes!!) recommended

Best regards Michel

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 00:21

New book from the US side:

Speed Merchants of Venice
Michael Holmes

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:11

I posted a couple of years ago asking about Autodrome 2. But it still isn't out yet is it? Does anyone know if it is or when it will be out?

Thanks for any help

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:25

Mum and Dad!!!!!

Just finished : I only made the Tea by Di Spires and Bernard Ferguson (Haynes)

A wonderful book . A couple who started 30 years ago to cater F1 teams....full of anecdotes


I'm glad you've cleared that up, there was me thinking it was an autobiography by the longtime director of Cosworth Engineering, so are there two Bernard Fergusons? Next we'll be discovering that someone named Flavio Briatore has written about his long career as faithful chauffeur and butler to Ron Dennis.


#6615 Tuboscocca

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 19:07

I'm glad you've cleared that up, there was me thinking it was an autobiography by the longtime director of Cosworth Engineering, so are there two Bernard Fergusons? Next we'll be discovering that someone named Flavio Briatore has written about his long career as faithful chauffeur and butler to Ron Dennis.



Rob

Di (Mum) has Bernard Ferguson on board (yes from Cosworth) to help her with the writing ..Book is on the couple Stu and Di...
And apropos Flavio, some nice stories of him too..and the (few) photos, all private and very interesting..
Must now ask Haynes for some provisions...

Just a teaser, Andrettis wife and a Hospitality loo....

Regards Michael

#6616 helioseism

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:48

New book:

Ian Walker racing - The Man and His Cars
Julian Balme
Coterie Press

Link

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:40

Mum and Dad!!!!!

Just finished : I only made the Tea by Di Spires and Bernard Ferguson (Haynes)

A wonderful book . A couple who started 30 years ago to cater F1 teams....full of anecdotes

HIGHLIEST (yes!!) recommended

Best regards Michel



How can we get it?

:wave:

Jack

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:37

How can we get it?


Amazon, I ordered mine last night. If you need convincing, read the Amazon reviews, but I wonder if Bernard Ferguson will go on to write something about his own Cosworth career.


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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:06

New book:

Ian Walker racing - The Man and His Cars
Julian Balme
Coterie Press

Link



Dear Frank--thanks for the two new book tips: Cobra and Ian Walker Racing!!

regards Michael

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#6620 helioseism

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 15:18

Michael -- thanks for the compliment, and thanks also to you and your sharing of information!

Here are two more new US books, both available on eBay from Phil Henny, who wrote "Just call Me Carroll".

"Bondurant Scrapbook - The Sixities" Link

"Al Bartz - Engine Man" Link

#6621 Tuboscocca

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:52

Michael -- thanks for the compliment, and thanks also to you and your sharing of information!

Here are two more new US books, both available on eBay from Phil Henny, who wrote "Just call Me Carroll".

"Bondurant Scrapbook - The Sixities" Link

"Al Bartz - Engine Man" Link



Frank thank you again!!!

Michael

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 11:13

Having set a hare running over on the cutaway thread, I have to ask whether anyone has any experience of buying mail order from The Works.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 16:52

I've bought from The Works via Amazon and I can't remember there being any problem. The book I received was in a good enough condition and I can't remember the time taken for delivery being unduly concerning.

#6624 Canon14

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 17:17

I bought three or four books direct from the Works via their website a year or so ago and that was fine. The books were new and undamaged and they arrived in a reasonable time.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 13:55

Thanks to VWV's May posting, I ordered Willem's book from Amazon Canada and it arrived today. Fantastic pictures and history and terrific value. Well worth ordering.

Nick


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Amazon Canada is selling Sports Car Racing in the South by Willem Oosthoek for $17.84 Canadian again. Buy it if before they figure out the correct price.

http://www.amazon.ca...mp;sr=8-1-fkmr2



#6626 Julian Roberts

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:48

Thanks to VWV's May posting, I ordered Willem's book from Amazon Canada and it arrived today. Fantastic pictures and history and terrific value. Well worth ordering.

Nick


VWV
Amazon Canada is selling Sports Car Racing in the South by Willem Oosthoek for $17.84 Canadian again. Buy it if before they figure out the correct price.

http://www.amazon.ca...mp;sr=8-1-fkmr2



I also ordered in May following VWV's tip. Amazon quoted a late June anticipated shipping date. 2 weeks ago I received a message from Amazon informing me the book was no longer available. So, you were lucky to receive your copy. :up:

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 17:01

I went to order a copy there and it gave me a estimated delivery time of 30-40 weeks!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 18:08

Obviously Amazon have caught on ):

#6629 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 18:28

Mine arrived about an hour ago.....

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#6630 Julian Roberts

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:53

Does anyone know this book :-

Corvette Racing - The GT1 Years by Nigel Dobbie

It's not cheap at £59, so a thumbs up or down from anyone who's seen/owns it would be welcome.

Thanks

Julian

#6631 Tuboscocca

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 14:01

Monica

As announced half a year ago:

http://www.cyruscom....ndex.php?lng=fr

The Monica book is now published (35 Euros+pp)

Regards Michael

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 14:06

Facel Vega

I know it's not racing...

Seems to be a great one ..Presubscription

http://www.librairie...ile_X_321608705

And at 210 Euros an offer, compared with Buckley's Pallawan oeuvre..

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Michael

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 21:01

I am having a clear out of books I have bought over the last 50 years or so plus a few prewar ones as well. What is the best way to sell them, dealer, autojumble or Ebay?

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 21:55

I am having a clear out of books I have bought over the last 50 years or so plus a few prewar ones as well. What is the best way to sell them, dealer, autojumble or Ebay?

No easy answer. It really dependson what the titles are. If you want to sell the lot in one go, then a specialist dealer is your only option. However, be aware that they will likely only take the stuff they actually want and that is worth decent money, leaving you with what is essentially fit only for charity shops or the recycling skip. There's a pretty finite market for Our Noige's autobiography, Schumi hagiographies, instant books on Lewis Hamilton etc. Equally, things you might not expect can fetch big money.

You really need to research the market title by title on ABEbooks, plus the specialists like Simon Lewis, MotorBooks and David Thomas. But bear in mind that you'll probably only get 25-50% of the quoted retail if you're selling.

Autojumbles: sell the good stuff singly pricing at 50-75% of market prices. Be prepared to haggle. Dross as job lots - cheap. Any dross you can't sell - charity shop.

EBay: as autojumbles, but consider setting reserves for the good stuff. TBH I wouldn't recommend it - eBay is a buyer's market, not a seller's.

Edited by Vitesse2, 11 July 2012 - 22:00.


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Posted 11 July 2012 - 21:59

Well, you could start by advertising them on here. :)

Having said that, I think you'll get the best prices selling them individually on e-bay if you have the patience. Some dealers have a reputation for being, shall we say, opportunistic and offering significantly less than the selling price. I'm not sure what margin they work to, but it wouldn't surprise me to be told they sell for twice what they pay.

You can get a rough idea of price by looking on sites like Abebooks or Amazon

#6636 Julian Roberts

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:29

EBay: as autojumbles, but consider setting reserves for the good stuff. TBH I wouldn't recommend it - eBay is a buyer's market, not a seller's.


Not always. I find if I take the time to accurately describe the book - think about who might want it and why, then focus on the relevant points in your desription, take a few close up photographs and be honest about the condition you should be OK. I have had many many happy surprises and like Gary Player getting luckier and luckier the more he practiced, the more effort I put into selling, the better the price and vice versa.

Also work out the air and surface mail price for UK, EU and rest of the world and include this in your listing. 30% of my books go overseas and I think I do well because I make it easier for overseas buyers; many UK sellers refuse to sell abroad and those that do often say please contact me for shipping rates. That's laziness. If you look at one of my listings it is instantly clear how much to ship wherever you are.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:47

Well, you could start by advertising them on here. :)

Having said that, I think you'll get the best prices selling them individually on e-bay if you have the patience. Some dealers have a reputation for being, shall we say, opportunistic and offering significantly less than the selling price. I'm not sure what margin they work to, but it wouldn't surprise me to be told they sell for twice what they pay.

You can get a rough idea of price by looking on sites like Abebooks or Amazon

If you're selling a job lot to a dealer they will only pay for the books they want, the rest will be bunce and probably sold for a few quid each for beer money. Dealers will rarely pay as much as 50% of retail, unless it's something that they have a customer for.

Look at the overheads - ebay and ABE take 12-15%, Amazon nearer 20% in commission and artificially low postage costs. You could take a stand at the Goodwood Revival, in which case Lord March and his merry men will relieve you of around £1200 + VAT. Oh, and you don't get any of that back if you don't sell anything!



#6638 Vitesse2

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:49

Oh, agreed, Julian. But as you point out, selling on eBay is an art and needs a lot of work: it really depends on how you value your time. As opposed to an autojumble, where you just price up the books beforehand, set up a table and work on a WYSIWYG basis. And on eBay you won't clear the dross, since even if they sell the carriage costs on job lots usually mean you're spending a comparative fortune on shipping out a lot of books which the buyer got for a tenner plus postage. At the end of a jumble you can just chuck it all in a box and offer the whole lot for a tenner - somebody will buy it, simply because in the twenty books in the box there are two he wants.

But I go back to my original point about title by title: something like (say) a set of Pomeroy or a copy of Monkhouse's "Motoraces" is worth eBaying and will probably achieve a better price there than any other way, thus providing both buyer and seller with the best deal. I've just looked on eBay and there are at a rough count 85 copies of Our Noige's "My Autobiography" and about 50 copies of "Driven to Win". However, there's a magazine style special called "Nigel's Day" which is now very rare: one copy on eBay (in Sports Memorabilia), none on Amazon and just two on ABE.

Amazon Market Place is a good alternative to eBay: I've had some success selling surplus military and other books there. But again you need to do some research to make sure your price (including postage) is competitive. Unlike eBay there are no listing fees - only sales fees, so you can factor those in beforehand. A lot of ABE sellers are also on Amazon, but unless you're selling a lot of stuff which will go fast and prepared to pay listing fees ABE is not an option for private sellers.

Edited by Vitesse2, 12 July 2012 - 09:03.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:11

I've just looked on eBay and there are at a rough count 85 copies of Our Noige's "My Autobiography" and about 50 copies of "Driven to Win".


It was a tough decision to make initially but now I give all these to charity shops - having first checked them for signatures, photos and other interesting enclosures tucked away (it still surprises me how often I find something) They really have zero, possibly negative, value if sold.

Personally I really enjoy the whole process of selling books and if I could easily acquire more stock (where do these people get their stock from?) I would without hesitation make it my living.

ETA
Which shows how little I make in my real job ! :)

Edited by Julian Roberts, 12 July 2012 - 10:15.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:33

It was a tough decision to make initially but now I give all these to charity shops -

Cut out the middle man, chuck 'em straight in the recycling! Most charities have tie-ups with book dealers who review donated stock before it goes on sale and books which are priced below a pre-determined level - which Our Noige would probably be - get weeded out after a set period and sent for recycling if not sold.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:41

Our Noige.


A quick check revealed 69 copies on Amazon priced at £0.01, any autographed examples would probably be even less, but is it really that awful? I thought the depths had been plumbed by Murray Walker's biog, surely it can't be worse than that?


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 18:13

Amazon Canada is selling Sports Car Racing in the South by Willem Oosthoek for $17.84 Canadian again. Buy it if before they figure out the correct price.

Thanks for the heads-up, Nick. I had tried ordering earlier and was told it was out of stock, but following your post, I rodered a copy there and then and it arrived here in the UK TWO DAYS later!!
Brilliant service and cracking value.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 19:08

new to the forum, I also ordered sports car racing in the south, after spotting the notice here back in may. took a month and a half. received it a few days ago. great value, and lots of info on some at the time, lesser known drivers. quite a bit on my favorite driver jim hall of chaparral. have lurked here for a number of years. will introduce myself in the proper thread...mike in canada

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 19:29

A quick check revealed 69 copies on Amazon priced at £0.01, any autographed examples would probably be even less, but is it really that awful? I thought the depths had been plumbed by Murray Walker's biog, surely it can't be worse than that?

What was wrong with Murray's? :confused:

#6645 E.B.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 19:52

The 4th edition of Steve Small's "Grand Prix Who's Who" will be available later this month - bigger, better, more colourful and of course fully updated.

Yippee etc.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 22:50

:clap: One for the Christmas list.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:29

Thanks for the heads-up, Nick. I had tried ordering earlier and was told it was out of stock, but following your post, I rodered a copy there and then and it arrived here in the UK TWO DAYS later!!
Brilliant service and cracking value.


Same here - did order it when the link appeared. The delivery was delayed a few times, but then I got the notice it has been shipped. I did only pay for standard mail - so the (positive) surprise was, that, nevertheless, they did ship it express and it also arrived after two days.
Great service and a very good price for a brilliant book !

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 16:35

Several copies Racing in the Rain by John Horsmann are listed, used, on Amazon UK at between £800 and £1100. A couple of years ago I bought it new on Amazon for £20, discounted from £29.99.

Do folks really buy them at these sort of inflated prices?

#6649 kayemod

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 17:07

Several copies Racing in the Rain by John Horsmann are listed, used, on Amazon UK at between £800 and £1100. A couple of years ago I bought it new on Amazon for £20, discounted from £29.99.

Do folks really buy them at these sort of inflated prices?


They're mad if they do. This book comes up fairly frequently on eBay, although I've never paid much attention, as far as I can remember the ones that sell go for something under £100

#6650 Vitesse2

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 17:17

Several copies Racing in the Rain by John Horsmann are listed, used, on Amazon UK at between £800 and £1100. A couple of years ago I bought it new on Amazon for £20, discounted from £29.99.

Do folks really buy them at these sort of inflated prices?

Not if they've got any sense. Those daft prices come from automatic price matching algorithms: if somebody types in (say) £800.0 instead of £80.00 then all the algorithms go mad and keep trying to match each other. GIGO in action  ;) Going rate for "Racing in the Rain" is about £60 on ABE - Peter Bowen and Tomes of Buxton are usually the most reliable price guides and they both price it around that, with Pooks (inevitably) a bit higher. However, there's one on ABE at £854.53 - SNayler Books, which is the first one on Amazon.