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#51 Don Capps

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Posted 11 May 2003 - 01:37

Mine should show up on these shores in the not too distant future I hope....

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#52 GIGLEUX

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Posted 11 May 2003 - 13:27

Please think to new members who cannot understand what you are talking about and seems so evident to you!!!
So what is this book, is 250F Mas the subjet as it seems? , how many pages, price and how to get it? Thank you!

#53 Vitesse2

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Posted 11 May 2003 - 13:32

http://www.crowoodpr...N=1 86126 568 9

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#54 Roger Clark

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Posted 11 May 2003 - 13:33

Sorry about that. THe book is indeed about the 250F. It has just under 200 pages and costs £19.95. It should be availalbe from all good book sellers but I got mine from Mill House Books:

http://www.millhousebooks.com/

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Posted 11 May 2003 - 15:49

Will also somewhere the BRM book (the long avaited one) be cheaper? :)

#56 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 20 May 2003 - 19:08

Originally posted by m.tanney
  Dan Gurney is working with Gordon Kirby on a biography which will be similar to his Mario Andretti: A Driving Passion. Like the Andretti book, it will be published by David Bull. The publisher expects to have it out sometime in 2004. It's a shame that it's taking so long, but if the Andretti book is any indication, it will be worth the wait. Given the Kirby book's ETA, I don't really see how Karl could have been expected to wait for its release before publishing his own book.

  Mike


Sorry to resurrect an old topic, but in surfing around today, I came across the following by Gordon Kirby on http://www.cart.com/...cle.asp?ID=6059 dated 20 May, 2003. The part of the article which prompted this post is as follows:

"I’m just beginning work on the official biography of Dan Gurney’s driving and car-building careers and as many of you no doubt know Dan achieved great things at Spa and the ‘Ring in the fifties and sixties. I wanted to get in the right frame of mind to write about Dan’s days in Europe and I figured I had to take advantage of the chance to check out the original 8-mile Spa circuit then drive east to sample the ‘Ring’s ‘Nordschleife’."

#57 Yorgos

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Posted 21 May 2003 - 11:09

Originally posted by Geza Sury

I also bought the Seaman book from Mill House together with the new Eddie Jordan bio and Alan Henry's 'Four Season at Ferrari - The Lauda Years.' I only can second Peter's words, the Nixon book is a real masterpiece :up: My next order will include the new paperback version of Gerald Donaldson's James Hunt bio, Karl's Eagle book and Alan Henry's 'Ferrari - The Battle for Revival', which is more or less the continuation of his previous book about the team.

BTW, has anyone bought the new Williams book by Alan Henry? I'm seriously considering the purchase of it since I don't have anything about this team. Can anyone recommend a good Williams book?


Any comments on "Four Seasons at Ferrari"? Is there anything new?

Yorgos

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Posted 21 May 2003 - 18:52

Originally posted by Yorgos
Any comments on "Four Seasons at Ferrari"? Is there anything new?

I like the book, although I haven't read it. It's middle-sized and consists of 192 pages. There are many pictures in it, some new, although mainly b&w. I don't think it contains too many things that haven't been published before. It covers Niki's whole carreer (there's even a picture of Niki sitting in the Jaguar F1 car), but of course concentrates on his Ferrari years. IMHO there are too big gaps between the rows, so the pages could've contained more text.

I think Lauda fans should by this book at a reduced price (check Mill House Book's website), but others can spend their money on better ones.

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Posted 21 May 2003 - 20:09

Originally posted by petefenelon
... included Chris Nixon's "Rivals" (Lancia D50 vs Mercedes W196) and "Shooting Star" (Seaman biography) at half price (20 quid each) - real masterpieces of handsome production and elegant design, with some stunning photography and words that seem every bit as good as "Mon Ami Mate".


Sorry, Pete, but I honestly didn´t like them

fm

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#60 Gary C

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Posted 21 May 2003 - 20:35

I'm eagerly awaiting Michael Oliver's Lotus 72 book. I just know I'm going to read it through twice without stopping!!

#61 petefenelon

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Posted 21 May 2003 - 21:08

Originally posted by Felix Muelas


Sorry, Pete, but I honestly didn´t like them

fm



You're perfectly entitled to your opinion Felix - they're not as weighty as Mon Ami Mate, certainly, but they're not bad books. Then again, for 20 quid these days you can't expect all that much... :(

pete

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Posted 23 May 2003 - 02:59

all from Nada...one on Elio Zagato, one on the Marzottos, and one on Stanguellini, by Orsini (which I anxiously await)...

#63 Don Capps

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Posted 26 May 2003 - 03:41

For those interested here Stateside, EWA is now carrying the 250F book.

#64 Don Capps

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Posted 26 May 2003 - 15:53

With the usual interest in helping Our Own Scribes put food on the table, clothe themselves, have an abode, and so forth -- Plus assist Other Scribes to do likewise, I have merged several treads and stuck it up top so that it is more visible.

Once again for those of us Stateside, Motorbooks will carry Vol. 2 of the BRM Saga by Our Own DCN starting in late-June from my understanding.

#65 Mark Ballard

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Posted 27 May 2003 - 17:19

FYI

I had an e-mail from Collectors Carbooks today, telling me that they have received their first copies of Mr. Nye's new BRM book.

Mark

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Posted 27 May 2003 - 19:34

Originally posted by Mark Ballard
FYI

I had an e-mail from Collectors Carbooks today, telling me that they have received their first copies of Mr. Nye's new BRM book.

Mark

:lol:

I had one from Mill House Books!

And they have number 1088!!!

Whoopee!!!

#67 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 May 2003 - 22:37

The above two posts are somewhat depressing - the author hasn't seen a copy yet... :cry:

#68 dretceterini

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Posted 28 May 2003 - 02:01

That's the way it always works, isn't it? :|

#69 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 28 May 2003 - 13:06

Doug, sorry that you haven't held the fruit of your labour as of yet.

I too received an e-mail from Mill House Books regarding the number request of my Volume 1. A very nice touch indeed.

#70 Don Capps

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Posted 28 May 2003 - 19:09

Today I got home and found a great surprise in the mailbox: Christopher Hilton's new book on Nuvolari entitled appropriately, Nuvolari. I think that it is well worth a look.

Ahem, that TNF gets mentioned should not be construed as a reason to recommend it. The free book didn't hurt either.

I think that it is a good thing to see Hilton taking the time to produce not just a book on Nuvolari, but a good book on Nuvolari.

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Posted 28 May 2003 - 23:04

Yes, another one to buy but haven't seen it yet in any US stores...

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 01:20

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#73 dretceterini

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Posted 29 May 2003 - 03:07

In the US www.velocepress.com is having a sale at around 30% off on some good books...

#74 Ashley Lenton

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Posted 30 May 2003 - 12:09

.........and already I'm amazed at some of the info in it. Would anybody care to speculate as to how 1961 P57- Porsher might have faired?

#75 Ray Bell

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Posted 30 May 2003 - 12:23

Originally posted by Ashley Lenton
.....Would anybody care to speculate as to how 1961 P57- Porsche might have fared?


It would have had difficulty ducting the cooling air from the front of the body to the top of the engine...

#76 David Birchall

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Posted 30 May 2003 - 19:08

Personally Ray, I preferred "Porsher"....

#77 Roger Clark

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 17:16

There are already copies for sale on eBay!

#78 ensign14

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 18:43

I take it you've all read the page of dedications? :smoking:

Huge kudos to the publishers for making the format and cover identical to the first, so they'll form a matching pair of spines. First time I have seen the old MRP logo for ages.

#79 Doug Nye

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 23:13

:mad: ...haven't even seen a copy yet and you say they're for sale on ebay???><"^%$*&!!!!!

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#80 dolomite

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Posted 01 June 2003 - 23:51

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#81 Ron Scoma

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Posted 02 June 2003 - 00:59

My book people said the numbered editions wouldn't be available until July....

Ron, copy Number 288 (I HOPE!!!!!)

#82 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 09:05

Originally posted by Doug Nye
:mad: ...haven't even seen a copy yet and you say they're for sale on ebay???><"^%$*&!!!!!


How's the blood pressure, Doug?

If it's any consolation, there hasn't been a bid yet.

Better still, the starting price is the retail price... it seems your book is considered to be worth the cost!

#83 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 10:46

Originally posted by Ray Bell
...If it's any consolation, there hasn't been a bid yet....


:rotfl:

#84 Don Capps

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 16:00

My copy of David McKinney's Maserati 250F arrived yesterday afternoon. Absolute great job, David. A definite Must for everyone's bookshelf.

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 16:11

Thankyou very much Sir

#86 petefenelon

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 20:53

Originally posted by Don Capps
My copy of David McKinney's Maserati 250F arrived yesterday afternoon. Absolute great job, David. A definite Must for everyone's bookshelf.


Gets a good review in Classic & Sportscar too - they call it the best 250F book they've ever seen.

It's on my list - my copy of BRM vol. 2 should arrive tomorrow...

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 20:57

Ron, get onto your book people and have them reiterate your number request. Yours is one of the fine bindings, so the publishers will no doubt take good care with who has asked for what. But....

...a number of the regular editions got sent somewhere - no-one is quite sure where - and some of the people who asked for specific numbers from a long way back have been disappointed. It's not just one particular bookseller's orders that are affected either. Chaters, Collectors Carbooks, Mill House are all in the same boat.

So it would be as well to make sure your people are on the case, and fighting for your book.

It really is worth it though - whatever the number

Tim (BRM vol.2 nr.1904 - wonder who has vol.1...)

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 21:41

From Ebay description:
"Long-awaited Volume 2 covering 1959-65. 368 pages! Limited to an amazingly low 2200 copies, approximately half of which were sold prior to publication! "

I don't in any way mean to be impertinent (especially to an author I respect as much as Mr. Nye), but why would anyone, after going to the incredible amount of work to produce such a thorough, important historical book of research, print only 2200 copies. This almost ensures that many who could enjoy and use such a volume will not be able to purchase it....except at exorbitant 'out-of-print' prices. It seems that to print so few copies must be based on a calculated decision to restrict availability....to what end?

Perhaps I don't understand the rationale for this decision (although as a librarian I'd like to think I understand a bit about publishing)...or perhaps I've just become accustomed to the sharing of knowledge and history for the benefit of all....as so well exemplified on this board. Again, no offense intended.

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Posted 03 June 2003 - 22:00

I got my copy of Volume 2 through the post yesterday :) .

I've only dipped into it so far (trying not to devour it all at once!) but it seems very comprehensive.

There is a great selection of pictures to pore over (where did Dan Gurney get that sandwich?!), and I like the section about what happened to the cars when they became ex-works.

I'd forgotten how elegant the later V8 spaceframe BRMs were, too.

Thanks for another excellent read, Doug.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 10:38

Originally posted by cts125
From Ebay description:
"Long-awaited Volume 2 covering 1959-65. 368 pages! Limited to an amazingly low 2200 copies, approximately half of which were sold prior to publication! "

I don't in any way mean to be impertinent (especially to an author I respect as much as Mr. Nye), but why would anyone, after going to the incredible amount of work to produce such a thorough, important historical book of research, print only 2200 copies. This almost ensures that many who could enjoy and use such a volume will not be able to purchase it....except at exorbitant 'out-of-print' prices. It seems that to print so few copies must be based on a calculated decision to restrict availability....to what end?

Perhaps I don't understand the rationale for this decision (although as a librarian I'd like to think I understand a bit about publishing)...or perhaps I've just become accustomed to the sharing of knowledge and history for the benefit of all....as so well exemplified on this board. Again, no offense intended.

CT


Being blunt about it, 70 quid's
(A) not unfair given the size and quality of the book and the amount of effort everyone has put in
(B) justifiable for a book that isn't going to have the mass appeal of a piece of Christopher Hilton hackwork about contemporary F1.

As far as I'm aware Volume 1 has never been reprinted. Maybe there'd be some scope for a cheaper edition after Doug's got Vol 4 out of the way...;)

Couple of asides:

Maybe what the world needs is something like the old Motoraces Book Club, doing cheap enthusiast editions of recent titles - a guaranteed print run and a way of getting good books into enthusiasts' hands. OK, MBC editions weren't anything like as nice as the mainstream publishers' ones (and are still cheaper on the secondhand market - I've picked up Touch Wood and Private Entrant very cheaply) but for those who want the content at a bargan price it sounds like a good idea.

I've just bought a couple of reprinted novels from a company that does print-on-demand - again, fairly manky book, but the alternative would've been finding an expensive secondhand copy. At least that way the author gets a few bob!

Maybe something like Atlas could combine an enthusiasts' book club with print-on-demand ;)

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 11:05

Originally posted by petefenelon
As far as I'm aware Volume 1 has never been reprinted. Maybe there'd be some scope for a cheaper edition after Doug's got Vol 4 out of the way...;)

One of the ads for vol 2 suggested that vol 1 WOULD be reprinted later in the year.

#92 petefenelon

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 12:14

Oh no - there goes my productivity for the afternoon - I've just been brought a big heavy parcel from Chaters ;)

#93 Doug Nye

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 17:26

Originally posted by cts125
...why would anyone, after going to the incredible amount of work to produce such a thorough, important historical book of research, print only 2200 copies. This almost ensures that many who could enjoy and use such a volume will not be able to purchase it....except at exorbitant 'out-of-print' prices.


Ooh- err - darned good point. Good question, well put, don't know the answer - it's all down to the publisher in this case. Perhaps MRP has interests in what Jenks used to describe as the 'pre-read book trade'...but I truly doubt it. :confused: And I still haven't seen a copy...obviously I should have ordered one from the reputable retailers!

DCN

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 17:40

Something that should be of interest to some here, The Klemantaski Collection is publishing a book of photographs by Pete Coltrin, the Californian who settled in Modena. Images from both America and Europe. Text is by Chris Nixon. Should be out later this summer.

I especially liked Ferrari's Lieutenant by Gozzi. Only Italian I've ever read who didn't treat Ferrari like a monument. Some humorous stories and some new interpretations of events such as the firing of John Surtees.

There's also a new Bandini book that I enjoyed. English text along with the Italian.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 18:34

Originally posted by Doug Nye


Ooh- err - darned good point. Good question, well put, don't know the answer - it's all down to the publisher in this case. Perhaps MRP has interests in what Jenks used to describe as the 'pre-read book trade'...but I truly doubt it. :confused: And I still haven't seen a copy...obviously I should have ordered one from the reputable retailers!

DCN


Well that bloke on Ebay seems to have 8 of them. Obviously hoping that scarcity forces the price up.

I'm slightly surprised that only 2500 of Vol 2 were printed, given the success of Vol 1, mind.


Anyway, pp 53-4 are worth 70 quid in their own right. I won't spoil the fun for anyone who hasn't got there yet ;)

#96 David Beard

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 18:54

Originally posted by petefenelon


Well that bloke on Ebay seems to have 8 of them. Obviously hoping that scarcity forces the price up.


He has put up that equally famous new release from our Mr McKinney too....

#97 David McKinney

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 19:08

Originally posted by cabianca
Something that should be of interest to some here, The Klemantaski Collection is publishing a book of photographs by Pete Coltrin, the Californian who settled in Modena. Images from both America and Europe. Text is by Chris Nixon. Should be out later this summer.

Definitely something to look forward to.
People have been trying for years to buy the Coltrin archive, but apparently his widow wanted silly money.
Good to see that they're being published at last

#98 Ray Bell

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 19:28

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Ooh- err - darned good point. Good question, well put, don't know the answer - it's all down to the publisher in this case. Perhaps MRP has interests in what Jenks used to describe as the 'pre-read book trade'...but I truly doubt it.....


Irritating to me, this...

The book publishing business seems to be dividing itself into a 'cheap books for the masses' group that are barely worth reading and an 'exclusive books for the wealthy few' with numbered copies and exclusivity built in.

Surely the purpose of a book is to give people information? To enable a large number to derive pleasure and knowledge from the efforts of the author/s?

Deliberately limiting numbers in such things is hard for me to understand... but obviously there's a profit motive there somewhere...

#99 dretceterini

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 20:21

Now we need a book on the complete Millanta photo archive!

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#100 dretceterini

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 20:22

Now we need a book on the complete Millanta photo archive! (I understand there are more than 100,000 photos!!)