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#1351 philippe charuest

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 17:53

Originally posted by Rob29

Also reviewed in todays Autosport is 'Les Grands Prix de Monaco Formula3' Would be interested if anyone has seen this before I spend 30Euro.

look interesting . can you give more details.

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#1352 Rob29

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 18:17

Originally posted by philippe charuest
look interesting . can you give more details.

by Michel Dellanoy & Jean-Pierre Bompuget.www.editions-palmier.fr

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Posted 31 January 2006 - 09:29

Desperate to find a shameless excuse to plug my own book ''Weekend Warrior at War" (Hylands Books Melbourne) about my time in the Australian Army, including one year in the Vietnam War 1970-71, I served at one time at the Balcombe Army Camp where in the 50's 2 car at a time sprints took place. There were photos of competing cars in the Officers Mess. I"ll try to track them down.

#1354 Terry Walker

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 03:54

Another desperate plug - Balcombe was to feature in my Fast Tracks atlas, but finally DNQ'd because it was a sprint track and not a proper racing circuit. I even went to the trouble to get an air photo of the site ready to draw the map. Another oddball one was Rowville, also near Melbourne, which was a POW camp and a motorcycle racing circuit.

#1355 Dennis David

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 17:40

Stopped off in London before the Toy Faire in Nuremberg and had a minute to drop in at Foyles. Lo and behold I found there a book that I have been hunting for months... Jean-Pierre Wimille's biography by Jean-Michel Paris and William Mearns. Long live Foyles!

Oh and here is a question more to the ownership of books. Has anbody living in the US written off (tax) their motorsport library as a business expense?

#1356 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 21:09

I picked up Cyril Kieft and his Racing Cars 1949-1955 by Des Hammill & Brian V.M. Jenkins yesterday from Motorbooks in London. Haven't read it all yet, but it seems to be a good read with lots of interesting information that I wasn't aware of. e.g. that 10 Formula Junior chassis were produced, five full cars and five rolling chassis.

If you aware of the Peter Tutthill books on Kieft this a lot more detailed (it's the authorised biography), but the picture reproductions aren't as good, and there aren't many new photographs to be seen.



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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:34

Originally posted by Dennis David
Stopped off in London before the Toy Faire in Nuremberg and had a minute to drop in at Foyles.

I will spend a week in London at the end of the this month with my wife and if she allows me, I would visit some bookshops. I have already located Motor Books on the map, but I would like to know if there are any other good bookstores (including second hand) in London. BTW where is this Foyles shop located? Any help would be appriciated.

#1358 Allen Brown

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 08:12

Come out of Motor Books and turn left, walk to the end of the alley and turn right up Charing Cross Road. Walk for about five minutes (ish) and Foyle's in on your left.

Allen

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 18:40

Worth a look in at model shop St Martin's Accessories too if you're in that part of the world.

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#1360 Dennis David

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 18:42

Just a note on Foyles. This is a very good independent bookstore but not one that specializes in motor books.

#1361 petefenelon

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 18:46

I've discovered three serious problems with Open Roads And Front Engines:

1. It's too heavy to read on the kharzi
2. It is going to steal time from me every night for ages and ages.
3. It makes me want to re-read the first half of vol. 1 of TATS.

Well, ok. They aren't actually PROBLEMS as such, but I have to find some minor irritation with it because no book can be THAT perfect.;)

It is one of the most gorgeous photo books I've seen -- the choice of shots, the quality of most of them, the layout and the repro are all superb and the captions and short linking texts pithy. JW might get a bit grumpy covering some aspects of modern racing but he is a man of absolute taste and discretion when covering the past! It's the work of absolute enthusiasts and perfectionists, and I commend it to anyone with a serious in sports car racing and/or racing photography. Wonderful.

#1362 philippe charuest

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 18:53

YEEE. i finnally receive my copy of "first among champions" by D .Venables . exactly the kind of book i like with a lot of meat and appendix :) , the copy took 6 weeks to arrive from england by steamboat but on the other end i only paid 28£ shipping include. now if i could find a copy of "the racing fifteen hundreds" it look like the best if not the only book on the voiturette history

#1363 petefenelon

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 18:58

Originally posted by Dennis David
Just a note on Foyles. This is a very good independent bookstore but not one that specializes in motor books.


They've re-reorganised the motoring/motorcycle/motorsport section again (it was rejigged in about '03 I think and again between August and Christmas - it had spent most of the last 15 years or so in the same place (and with most of the same stock!). The selection seemed to grow a bit in '03 but has now definitely shrunk, particularly on the sporting side.

Foyles, for the benefit of those who don't know it, is a fiercely independent and formerly very eccentric bookstore on Charing Cross Road. It describes itself as "the world's greatest bookshop"; whether or not it is is debatable, it's certainly one of the largest I've ever encountered. Much of its business seems to be in textbooks for University of London students, although it sells many mainstream and specialist books. In its heyday the decor, such as it was, was a symphony in civil service dingy off-whites and the staff seemed to be a strange mixture of postgrads working there to supplement meagre grants (and/or using it as an adjunct to college libraries) and crusty old booksellers. "Customer service" didn't happen. Books within departments were ordered A-Z by publisher, with minor criteria like authors not being anywhere near as important.... and purchasing was decidedly baroque, not to say Soviet, with each department having its own counter where you handed over your books and got a bill, then queued again downstairs to pay for them. These days it's much less eccentric. You can pay for anything anywhere, and some of the staff are even vaguely aware of your presence. They still have the most bizarre mix of stock - sometimes it seems like entire collections of arcana have been abandoned in the middle of run-of-the mill books, and the pricing varies between ridiculously low and ridiculously high for some of "our" kind of books. In days of old I'd recommend it as a tourist destination in its own right; these days it's much more mainstream, particularly on the ground floor which you could almost mistake for Blackwells or Borders or similar; once you get upstairs it's still mildly eccentric although nothing like the Austerity/Orwellian timewarp that it was until the early 90s. The motoring section is probably worth an hour of anyone who reads this thread's time, mind -- I usually call in if I'm visiting London (my 'record' in there was a ten-minute visit circa 1993 that left me nearly £200 worse off, fitted in to a quick lunchbreak from a meeting at an MoD establishment round the corner!)

The new branch on the South Bank is rather depressingly "nice" and "normal".

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 19:05

Originally posted by petefenelon
It's the work of absolute enthusiasts and perfectionists, and I commend it to anyone with a serious ? in sports car racing and/or racing photography. Wonderful.


Unusual for you to make a typo, Pete. I have a missing INTEREST in sports cars, too...;)

(Well not entirely, but enough to stop me coveting TATS or this new creation)

#1365 macoran

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 19:13

being Dutch I just relished finally seeing how "kharzi" is actually spelt

#1366 Allen Brown

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 20:17

without the 'r', I always thought. I.e. khazi.

But as it's slang, I guess there is no 'official' spelling.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 20:52

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Come out of Motor Books and turn left, walk to the end of the alley and turn right up Charing Cross Road. Walk for about five minutes (ish) and Foyle's in on your left.

Allen

But before you get there step in the small square on your right (the back end of Blackwells) and have a quick look in Sportspages. If you can't get your motor racing requirements you might pick up an A-Z of Doncaster Rovers players or someone's heartfelt writing about following Torquay for a year.

"Carsey"?

And since the reorg Foyles has been ruined. It was like being in Grace Bros before, hand-painted signs everywhere; now it looks corporate. In motor racing terms it was like Jan Opperman driving for Parnelli.

#1368 petefenelon

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 22:02

Originally posted by ensign14
But before you get there step in the small square on your right (the back end of Blackwells) and have a quick look in Sportspages.


Closed last time I was in London, a couple of weeks back.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 22:15

They went into receivership but I thought they were still being kept open. Dammit. Where will I find Brian Moore's Head now?

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 22:18

At some point in the middle 1980s, I committed the sin of dashing into Foyles while attired in, egads! my uniform. Worse yet, it was, of course, an American uniform. I was wearing my class A uniform since I was a horse holder for Very Self-important Person who was in the UK to discuss some training issues with our Beloved Allies. We were in the area, he had a luncheon engagement with one of his counterparts and I was left with several hours to kill since as a mere captain I was not invited. Hence Foyles and a few other places within walking distance.

I had been there a number of times in the past, but my presence this time, was, er noticed....

After the usual Chinese Fire Drill of trying to get a bill for your books and then trying to check out, one of the characters, who closely resembled my former counterpart in the 3rd Shock Army across the Fulda Gap by the way, looked at me and said, "Oh, filming here again I see. Who's the star?" That was the only time I can recall a member of the staff ever speaking to me during all of my visits over the years.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 22:31

See, Don, that uniform works!

Try it next time you visit me. I'll show you my leftover Army stuff!

WINO

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 22:51

Originally posted by Dennis David
Stopped off in London before the Toy Faire in Nuremberg and had a minute to drop in at Foyles. Lo and behold I found there a book that I have been hunting for months... Jean-Pierre Wimille's biography by Jean-Michel Paris and William Mearns. Long live Foyles!

Oh and here is a question more to the ownership of books. Has anbody living in the US written off (tax) their motorsport library as a business expense?


Yes, but not specifically as an automotive library. As a retired college professor, needing "information". I write it off at cost, rather than current value.

#1373 dretceterini

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 01:52

Pegaso book reissue on e-bay:

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#1374 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 03:56

Hello, all. I hope I'm posting this in the proper forum. I would like to purchase the following books. Please send a private message if you should have one for sale. Many thanks.

Jack

Ferrari in Camera

Piloti Che Gente

Mon Ami Mate

#1375 dretceterini

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 11:18

Check if any of the dealers that sell through ABEbooks.com has a copy...

#1376 ian senior

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 12:31

Pete's description of Foyles, both before and after, is deadly accurate. The decor, ambience, organisation etc all seemed to have stemmed from a Kafka novel. I remember shopping at GUM in Soviet-era Moscow - my first reaction was "it's just like Foyles!". I'm not sure who first thought up this novel shopping concept - the Russians or Messrs Foyle - but either way it wasn't without its charm.

The postgrads on the tills could be quite interesting. I once bought Graham Robson's book about the Triumph Herald and the charming (and very cute) girl that served me was well pleased to see my buying that book - she owned a Herald and we must have nattered for about 10 minutes before some Professorial type behind me, armed with lots of books about mediaeval architectural marine biology or something, told me to get a bloody move on. A truly wonderful shopping experience.

Am I the only one who finds the staff in Motor Books to be distinctly surly? Perhaps it's just that they don't like the look of me, or they think I don't spend enough money there.

#1377 petefenelon

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 12:53

Originally posted by ian senior

Am I the only one who finds the staff in Motor Books to be distinctly surly? Perhaps it's just that they don't like the look of me, or they think I don't spend enough money there.


I used to find Motor Books a bit odd, when it was run by the older gent who had a definite air of Stephen Fry's Professor Trefusis about him. These days the Aussie and his sidekick who seem to spend most of the day discussing V8 Supercars are a bit louder but less tweedy. They seem to be quite helpful to punters who wander in off the street looking for things which wasn't always the case in the old days (I remember once in the old days being able to identify a Rivers Fletcher book that another punter wanted which the gaffer couldn't work out!)

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 16:04

I received the newest Oosthoek Maserati monography, after "Birdcage to Supercage" and "Maserati 450S" this one is on the tipo 151: "Maserati Tipo 151 - The last monster from Modena", after the 450S book again with Michel Bollée.
I must say I'm impressed by this lavishly illustrated piece of history. Many historic colour illustrations accompany the B/W's. It's a year by year and race by race account of the 151 race adventures. It has been written down in a detailed manner. I think it is the definite history on these special cars.
Best
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 18:40

I agree with pete - Motor Books is considerably improved under its current peoplage. The "older gent" (not at all the term I would have used, even in a polite mood) was possibly the most unpleasant, objectionable and insulting individual I have encountered in a retail environment (and I'm a fairly meek character, I don't stomp into places throwing my weight around as a paying customer who must be bowed to!) - such that even when I worked in Covent Garden I steadfastly refused to shop there; I used to pay the trainfare and spend a day trekking out to chat with Frank Stroud at Chater (and Scot) and buy a book or two, just on principle!

Like Ian, I went shopping in GUM in the early seventies (extraordianary experiences for a young lad) and had exactly the same comparisions come to mind when I first moved to London a few years later and went a-browsing in Foyles!

(I not sure what 'peoplage' means - I think I just made it up.)

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#1380 Dennis David

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 20:51

The best bookstore in the world is Powells. :p Seriously the best bookstore in the world is the last one where I found a book I was searching.

Just as a point a reference around 5% of my purchases are automotive books. Except for new stuff I have pretty much everything that I can reasonably afford. Brits are good at mystery and children's books so I get them here first when I'm in town.

#1381 paulhooft

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 15:39

Dear Dennis,
( and all other friends in our Great Big Motor Racing Readers and Writers World..

I did some extensive searching, and found Motor Racing- The early years at a bookshop in The Hague, Netherlands for 19,95 Euro ($ 22.--?) :clap:
A great book, and for that price...
a real Bargian!

Paul Hooft

#1382 petefenelon

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 20:38

Originally posted by petefenelon
I've discovered three serious problems with Open Roads And Front Engines:
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It's the work of absolute enthusiasts and perfectionists,


Ummm. Well. Ok. I did spot an error in it -- Wilkie Wilkerson, p262?!

Still, a mightily impressive book.

#1383 Geza Sury

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:34

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Come out of Motor Books and turn left, walk to the end of the alley and turn right up Charing Cross Road. Walk for about five minutes (ish) and Foyle's in on your left.

Allen

Thanks a lot Allen, Dennis, Pete and Ian! I have some vague recollections of shopping in the Moscow GUM store when I was 11, so I will definately visit Foyle's although - as you have said - it has changed quite a lot in the past couple of years. BTW I don't mind if the stuff leaves me alone for hours and I can browse as much as I want...

#1384 Rob29

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:28

Originally posted by 2F-001
I agree with pete - Motor Books is considerably improved under its current peoplage. The "older gent" (not at all the term I would have used, even in a polite mood) was possibly the most unpleasant, objectionable and insulting individual I have encountered in a retail environment (and I'm a fairly meek character, I don't stomp into places throwing my weight around as a paying customer who must be bowed to!) - such that even when I worked in Covent Garden I steadfastly refused to shop there; I used to pay the trainfare and spend a day trekking out to chat with Frank Stroud at Chater (and Scot) and buy a book or two, just on principle!

I wonder if this is the same gent I used to encounter going back to the 60s? 20 yrs later he must have still been there-I recall discovering some friends who did something simlar to me. Browse the books in Foyles-but as Foyles ancient system did not accept credit cards-down to Motor Books to buy anything we had to have.

#1385 Bill Wagenblatt

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 16:24

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dennis David
[B]The best bookstore in the world is Powells.

Dennis,

Is this the Powells in Portland, Oregon?

bill

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 20:58

Originally posted by 2F-001
[B]I agree with pete - Motor Books is considerably improved under its current peoplage. The "older gent" (not at all the term I would have used, even in a polite mood) was possibly the most unpleasant, objectionable and insulting individual I have encountered in a retail environment

(

You should visit the Model Shop (mercifully, I have deleted its name from my memory bank already) I went into in Greenwich Village on a visit there this Christmas. Not a book shop I grant you. There was a 1/43rd scale D-type in American (Cunningham?) colours caught my eye and I asked in all innocence if it was an American Dinky. After he had wiped me off his shoe, the gent behind the glass case told me it wasn't (or words to that effect). When I asked the price, he did tell me using words - but given his tone he might as well have said 'why bother? You're not going to buy it.'

He was by that time, of course, quite right - even though I quite fancied it.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 21:48

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Come out of Motor Books and turn left, walk to the end of the alley and turn right up Charing Cross Road. Walk for about five minutes (ish) and Foyle's in on your left.

Allen


If you cross over to the other side of Charing Cross Road opposite Motor Books and walk for about a hundred yards (towards Foyle's) you'll be rewarded with a great little model shop that also has an interesting selection of signed prints. No idea what it's called, but you can't miss it - I found it by accident the other week. :)

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 21:54

I am going to put up quite some books for sale soon.........
Including:
The Grand Prix Car volumes by L.Pomeroy and L.J.K setright
various Ferrari books by Jonathan Thompson

They will go on E-bay soon.
but
I'll give TNF ers a first shot and post them in the For Sale Forum first

#1389 philippe charuest

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 20:49

talking of e-bay , theres a "racing the silver arrow" by Chris Nixon on sale apparently sign not only by the author but by H.Lang-JM Fangio and by Von Brauchitz too ,the book so far is at 60£

#1390 dretceterini

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 13:58

Originally posted by macoran
I am going to put up quite some books for sale soon.........
Including:
The Grand Prix Car volumes by L.Pomeroy and L.J.K setright
various Ferrari books by Jonathan Thompson

They will go on E-bay soon.
but
I'll give TNF ers a first shot and post them in the For Sale Forum first



Is your Pomeroy the early single volume plus the Setright 1950s volume, or is it the 3 books and not two Price?

#1391 petefenelon

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 14:41

Originally posted by MCS


If you cross over to the other side of Charing Cross Road opposite Motor Books and walk for about a hundred yards (towards Foyle's) you'll be rewarded with a great little model shop that also has an interesting selection of signed prints. No idea what it's called, but you can't miss it - I found it by accident the other week. :)


St Martin's Accessories, I think.

#1392 philippe charuest

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 17:43

i bought last month "first among champion" and i like it very much so i just ordered a second book by the same author D.Venables "the racing fifteen hundred " an history of the voiturette 1930-1939, i know he did a book on the bugatti too and on the Napier but what im really searching is a good book more specifically on the GP in the twenties especially the short 1.5 litre period with the Delage.Amilcar, Roland pilain ,Salmson and bugatti too, is there something like that on the market

#1393 petefenelon

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 17:46

Originally posted by philippe charuest
i bought last month "first among champion" and i like it very much so i just ordered a second book by the same author D.Venables "the racing fifteen hundred " an history of the voiturette 1930-1939, i know he did a book on the bugatti too and on the Napier but what im really searching is a good book more specifically on the GP in the twenties especially the short 1.5 litre period with the Delage.Amilcar, Roland pilain ,Salmson and bugatti too, is there something like that on the market


Although it doesn't concentrate exclusively on that period, the best coverage of it I've seen is in Vol. 1 of William Court's Power and Glory (actually, it covers the dawn of time to 1951). I'm not a 20s specialist by any stretch of the imagination but Court really makes that period come alive in a way that few other writers have managed - the choice of photographs is also excellent.

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 18:24

I suspect that the much discussed forbidding personality at Motor Books & Accessories over many, many years was probably the late founder and proprietor - John Lello. Something of a legend for being unpredictably prickly. But of course - I could be wrong. :drunk:

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 22:51

Originally posted by Doug Nye
I suspect that the much discussed forbidding personality at Motor Books & Accessories over many, many years was probably the late founder and proprietor - John Lello. Something of a legend for being unpredictably prickly. But of course - I could be wrong. :drunk:

DCN


In the early '80s I was an articled sprog for a Covent Garden firm of solicitors and many lunchtime was spent in Motor Books, browsing but not buying. So the fact that he did not chase out impecunious younger enthusiasts means he cannot have been all bad ;)

#1396 Geza Sury

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 06:47

Originally posted by petefenelon
Although it doesn't concentrate exclusively on that period, the best coverage of it I've seen is in Vol. 1 of William Court's Power and Glory (actually, it covers the dawn of time to 1951). I'm not a 20s specialist by any stretch of the imagination but Court really makes that period come alive in a way that few other writers have managed - the choice of photographs is also excellent.

I think I did of the "Deal of the year" by buying this book for a mere 25.5 Euro on Ebay :cool:

#1397 macoran

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Posted 10 February 2006 - 08:32

dretcetrini

Pomeroy volumes 1 & 2
Setwright 1954 - 1966

I'll be getting a valuation next week
I haven't had any bids as yet

#1398 macoran

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 00:12

I will upload photos of the books to my internet photo album.
This will be accessible to those who ask with their e-mail address
I will then register you and give you the password.

#1399 dretceterini

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 19:39

Thanks E-mail me please as don't often check my PMs...

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#1400 macoran

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 22:36

The Grand Prix Car Volume one by Laurence Pomeroy
4th Impression 1964 265 pages

The Grand Prix Car Volume two by Laurence Pomeroy
4th Impression 1965 340 pages

The Grand Prix Car 1954/1966 by L.J.K.Setright
2nd Impression 1968 420 pages

The Pomeroy volumes are still in the “foil” the books were purchased in.
They have been “read”…….but with such loving care ( no I do not wear silk
gloves ) that they can be considered “new” for books of this age.
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A set of 3 pocketbooks by Erwin Tragatsch published 1968 each +/-250 pages
“Le dictionnaire marabout des voitures de sport et de competition »
Vol 1 Abarth to D’Yrsan
Vol 2 Eagle to Melkus
Vol 3 Mercedes to Zoller

I dare say they are about “mint”
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60 vetture ai Raggi X …..by Giovanni Cavara about 100 A3 size cutaways.
Mint condition.
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and more !!!!!!!




All books in absolute perfect condition (my office always air conditioned) !!!

Of course CIF are for the buyer ex Rotterdam.
I will be taking them on E-bay/other internet sites/auction soon
Any TNF bidders ? want a first go ?
I’ve got pics ready on ………www.macoran.zuza.nl

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