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#1701 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 10:47

:wave: sorry , I am talking about Vol. 7 .

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#1702 Jeff Weinbren

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 04:25

For Canadian TNF'ers Cole's, Chapters have "Into the Red" on sale at $14.99. If you don't have it, it's a great buy at that price, includes the CD.
Jeff Weinbren.
Vancouver.

#1703 Magee

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 04:42

Thanks Jeff,

Also, look for Tom Johnston's new book, WESTWOOD. Have a look at the publisher's Internet site, Granville Island Publishers.

Mike

#1704 petefenelon

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 08:48

Briefer review than it deserves, because I have a meeting shortly -

"Managing A Legend", Robert Edwards.

I must admit that I stayed clear of this when it came out because (A) there seemed to be enough Moss and Moss-related books around and (B) who would've thought that a biography of Ken Gregory would have enough 'meat' in it? - I didn't have high expectations, despite Archie and the Listers. Well, Edwards' authorised biography of Moss was very good, and I managed to find a nicely-priced copy of this.

And I loved it.

It's not really a Gregory biography - there's some biographical material at the beginning and end of the book (where there's also a lot of bitterness about the way the financial markets worked in the 70s); what it turns out to be is a study of the relationship between Alfred Moss, Ken, Stirling (and peripherally Rob Walker, Alf Francis and Tony Robinson), the story of how the Young Maestro became the first commercially-aware professional racing driver in Europe, the rise and fall of Yeoman Credit/UDT Laystall and BRP, and how Ken Gregory might've become Bernie a decade before Bernie.

It casts a lot of interesting light on areas that haven't been well documented elsewhere - BRP's shafting at the hands of the other British constructors in particular, which has only really been covered in Ireland's All Arms And Elbows.

Ken Gregory comes across as quite an interesting character, a shrewd deal-maker with a genuine enthusiasm for the sport.

The tone of the book is rather more impersonal than Archie or Stirling Moss, but there's still enough insight into the main players and a lot of racing atmosphere. And if you like reading about the economics and politics of racing, as I do, this is excellent.

Edit: Bjørn Kjer: Can't replay to your PM because my browser doesn't like the accented characters in your name! There are a small number of pages of b/w photos, I don't specifically look out for transporters but I think there was one shot of one...



#1705 Ed Heuvink

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 09:59

Originally posted by Seppi_0_917PA
Book news...

http://www.autosport....com/cahier.php

No mention of price or release date.



The final corrections were made this week and it is up to the publisher now. The lay-out etc. were ready for some time now as were the covers. So now, some last minute changes and so on have to be made. Printing can start within the coming weeks. Expect the books, two volumes in a slip case, late November/early December.

#1706 green-blood

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 12:24

finally finally finally I managed to locate a copy of Steve Holter's "Leap into Legend" (TNFs very own f1steveuk), ok its the paperback but its out of stock everywhere, no ebay copies and even the devil site Amazon have none. If anyone is looking I got mine new from CHATERS, I came accross the listin whilst browsing their "sale" special listings

its a great read, thanks Steve

#1707 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 22:13

:smoking: Been told that one of the mags Prancing Horse (Ferrari Club America , couple of years ago) has an article on Ferrari transporters , any one know it ? Please contact me.
Kind regards , Bjørn Kjer

#1708 M Needforspeed

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 08:19

on Ebay, recently,two books have showed at bargain prices :

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MOTORSPORT : GN GEORGANO 1971 (650 p, 1700 pics!).I Just got it on EBAY (only one bidder, me :p ) at 17 AUD, let say 11 € !

THE CERTAIN SOUND : THIRTY YEARS OF MOTOR RACING : JOHN WYER (first edition 1981 ) at 52 GBP = 77, 25 € !

alas I bought the latter at a far higher price , still on EBAY ): ... Everytime I bid, there was a tough competition with bidders .;the "average" auction cote for Wyer book was 150 GBP ...


These two books are two examples only, but how we can put a cote on books after that ??? :confused: ...Waiting and searching is rewarding when collecting books !

#1709 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 17:12

...Waiting and searching is rewarding when collecting books !


Of course, I could say that those "collecting" books generally have mucked things up beyond all recogniton for those of us who actually use books for research versus being trophies, but I won't... ;)

#1710 bradbury west

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Posted 14 August 2006 - 17:13

Veloce Publishing. 40% discount this week.

I had an e mail from Veloce on Saturday ( I have ordered the Peter McFadyean Oulton book so am on their list)

In support of National Motorsport Week (Take a mate to a motor race etc) , www.nationalmotorsportweek.co.uk

they are offering a massive 40% off all their current and imminent publications. You apparently get a voucher for books due to be published.

I have spoken to Gary Jones their marketing man and he has given the OK for me to raise it on TNF. Usual disclaimers from me.

Look on their website

www.veloce.co.uk for details of books

tel uk 01305 260068

They are also due to start a new process of printing on demand for out of print titles, not the least of which are Angela Cherrett's two tomes on the Alfa 6 and 8 cylinder models, both superb works, esp the 8C book.



On other matters, has anyone bought or read the Des Hamill book on Coventry Climax engines, or the new book, forgotten by whom, on the Type 57 Bugattis?

Roger Lund.

#1711 275 GTB-4

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 09:25

I see that Volume II of John Blandens book Australian Racing Cars is available.

#1712 David McKinney

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 09:40

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
I see that Volume II of John Blandens book Australian Racing Cars is available.

Do you mean the second edition (which I have), or a second half thereof?

#1713 petefenelon

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 11:54

Originally posted by bradbury west
Veloce Publishing. 40% discount this week.



On other matters, has anyone bought or read the Des Hamill book on Coventry Climax engines, or the new book, forgotten by whom, on the Type 57 Bugattis?

Roger Lund.


I have the Des Hamill book. It isn't what you'd call a thriller, being a fairly sober account by an engine specialist of other engine specialists at work, and it's not the most lavish book around, but it has a lot of integrity. Des covers the key people and the machinery very thoroughly and lays a few myths about the Godiva and the FPF in particular to rest. Certainly recommended, and sensibly priced too.

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 15:25

Could someone tell me how the ARCA "50 Years In Racing 1953-2002" Yearbook is statistics-wise? Does it include complete results for all ARCA stockcar races, or at least complete final point standings for every year?

#1715 Maldwyn

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 19:01

May I ask for a recommendation for a comprehensive year by year motor racing (not just F1 if possible) results book? I've been asked to find one, and while I'm sure there are many about, I'd be grateful if TNF could point me towards the definative work.

Many thanks.

#1716 petefenelon

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 19:20

Originally posted by Maldwyn
May I ask for a recommendation for a comprehensive year by year motor racing (not just F1 if possible) results book? I've been asked to find one, and while I'm sure there are many about, I'd be grateful if TNF could point me towards the definative work.

Many thanks.


Definitive and general sort of work against each other, but it's hard to think of a better one-volume statistical/historical work than Steve Small's International Motor Racing Guide.

#1717 Maldwyn

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Posted 15 August 2006 - 20:25

Originally posted by petefenelon
Definitive and general sort of work against each other...

True. Sorry about that, but it's just that the request was a bit vague. I was told that there is a book that has complete results for F1 drivers throughout the years. There may be an edition for international as well as national events apparently, which led me to think that the book was not just a F1 record.

Thanks for the suggestion :up:

#1718 275 GTB-4

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 02:02

Originally posted by David McKinney

Do you mean the second edition (which I have), or a second half thereof?


David....see link, bottom of page: http://www.sportingcarclubsa.org.au/

#1719 David McKinney

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 05:11

So, second edition then
I suppose they're calling it Volume II so people who already have it will be tricked into buying it again :lol:

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#1720 petefenelon

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 10:52

Originally posted by Maldwyn

True. Sorry about that, but it's just that the request was a bit vague. I was told that there is a book that has complete results for F1 drivers throughout the years. There may be an edition for international as well as national events apparently, which led me to think that the book was not just a F1 record.

Thanks for the suggestion :up:


For complete F1 drivers' records, Steve Small's your man again with Grand Prix Who's Who. I think there's a new (fourth) edition in the pipeline, but the delta to previous editions gets smaller and smaller as he's filled in a lot of missing detail on the past and the present's smaller and a lot less interesting!

His International Motor Racing Guide has brief statistical info on a lot of non-F1 drivers, too.

#1721 Alan Cox

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Posted 16 August 2006 - 16:05

Just received my copy of Peter McFadyen's book on "Motor racing at Oulton Park in the 1960s".

I thought it would be good, from knowing Peter's pics in Autosport in the 70s, and it doesn't disappoint.

All the photos are of excellent quality, and it rekindles memories of heroes from the 60s such as David Purley racing his AC Cobra, Derek Bennett and John Bridges racing B8s, Cyd Williams winning in F3 with his Brabham "screamer", Mac Daghorn in the Leda, KAye Griffiths in his BRP-Ford F5000 car and big Mike Coombe sticking out of his F5000 Cooper-Ford.

Brilliant stuff, and a 'must-have' for any Oulton habitues of the time.

Published by Veloce at £12.99

#1722 sandy

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:32

Originally posted by David McKinney
So, second edition then
I suppose they're calling it Volume II so people who already have it will be tricked into buying it again :lol:


It is a bit odd as it is certainly the original book unchanged from when I had the Mornington, Victoria library get in a copy a year ago and yet is suddenly now Vol. 11

(Incidentally it is one of the libraries most popular books, always out and a long waiting list).

#1723 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 22:23

In October this year a 3 vol. bookset will be published in Germany with 800 sides and with pictures of Julius Weitmann,Hans Peter Seufert and Wolfgang Wilhelm covering the years 1946 to 2006.

#1724 petefenelon

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 22:36

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
In October this year a 3 vol. bookset will be published in Germany with 800 sides and with pictures of Julius Weitmann,Hans Peter Seufert and Wolfgang Wilhelm covering the years 1946 to 2006.


And presumably a heavy Porsche focus? Weitmann's pics in Porsche Story are often superb.

#1725 Mal9444

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 19:16

My apologies to all if this book has already been discussed: if it has, no dount someone will direct me to the appropriate page of the thread.

I'm a GRRC member and have just recieved therefrom a discount offer on a book entitled Grand Prix! Rare Images of the First 100 years. The quoted retail price of the book is £29.99, the special offer price £17.99. Of course one man's bargain is another man's catch-penny (as my Mother used to call 'em), so...

... anyone know the book?

... is it recent, or are they getting rid of otherwise immovable stock?

... what is the depth of coverage of the era in which I have a particular interest, which is 1948 to 1962?

... is it stricly 'Grand Prix' - or is it grand prix type open wheelers (I assume there are no pictures of sports cars)?

... in short: is it worth buying?


I thank you, one and all.

#1726 bradbury west

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Posted 23 August 2006 - 20:58

I have just ordered mine from Goodwood, saves a few bob, especially on the back of the recent Veloce 40% off offer on their stuff, qv posting. It was well reviewed by Mick Walsh in C&SC IIRC. For the money you cannot go wrong.

RL

#1727 petefenelon

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 08:06

Originally posted by Mal9444
My apologies to all if this book has already been discussed: if it has, no dount someone will direct me to the appropriate page of the thread.

I'm a GRRC member and have just recieved therefrom a discount offer on a book entitled Grand Prix! Rare Images of the First 100 years. The quoted retail price of the book is £29.99, the special offer price £17.99. Of course one man's bargain is another man's catch-penny (as my Mother used to call 'em), so...

... anyone know the book?

... is it recent, or are they getting rid of otherwise immovable stock?

... what is the depth of coverage of the era in which I have a particular interest, which is 1948 to 1962?

... is it stricly 'Grand Prix' - or is it grand prix type open wheelers (I assume there are no pictures of sports cars)?

... in short: is it worth buying?


I thank you, one and all.


I've looked at it a couple of times. Recent, edited by Quentin Spurring, not sure which photo-archive(s) it uses but I certainly didn't recall seeing many shots before, fairly even spread of GP pics through the years with a post-War emphasis, although without the usual excessive concentration on FOCA-era F1, bias in favour of "action" shots, nice repro (particularly B&W) and paper, but I'm not sure I'd pay 30 quid for it. 18 is reasonable if you want a nice general F1 picture book, but it's not really up my street.

#1728 Mal9444

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 10:47

Thanks for both of these views - very helpful. I'll take a look at it. I don't usually bother much with pure photo-books. I bought the Ludvigsen Merc 300slr book a little while ago, looked at it when I got it home and realised that there was nothing in it I did not get when I looked at it in the shop. And the pictures themselves are frankly very disappointing - mostly frozen stills of Kling. On the other hand, books like Doug's Moss - Cars and Career or Chris Nixon's Mon Ami Mate are constant sources of delight and seem to reveal some new gem every time one opens them.

I am not a historian, like so many on the forum, so don't buy the books as serious reference works. Just to have the occasional wallow in nostalgia.

#1729 MCS

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 18:32

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Just received my copy of Peter McFadyen's book on "Motor racing at Oulton Park in the 1960s".

I thought it would be good, from knowing Peter's pics in Autosport in the 70s, and it doesn't disappoint.

All the photos are of excellent quality, and it rekindles memories of heroes from the 60s such as David Purley racing his AC Cobra, Derek Bennett and John Bridges racing B8s, Cyd Williams winning in F3 with his Brabham "screamer", Mac Daghorn in the Leda, KAye Griffiths in his BRP-Ford F5000 car and big Mike Coombe sticking out of his F5000 Cooper-Ford.

Brilliant stuff, and a 'must-have' for any Oulton habitues of the time.

Published by Veloce at £12.99


Very, very good. Some wonderful images.

The Dunlop Bridge picture - without the "Dunlop" signage - is extraordinary, but only one of many memorable pictures.

The descriptive text is absolutely bang on - the F5000 section introduction is quite brilliant. What more would you want to know? I had (naively) expected a picture-book; this provides much more.

Hope there is a Seventies follow-up too as this isn't just about Oulton Park, but a retrospective view of how things changed in international motor racing over a particular period in time.

Great stuff. :clap:

#1730 Alan Cox

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Posted 24 August 2006 - 20:47

I have heard from Peter, Mark, who tells me that a 70s book has been talked about, depending on how this one sells - spread the word!

#1731 dretceterini

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Posted 26 August 2006 - 23:25

FYI, the new 100 year of the Targa Florio book is priced at $75 with FREE shipping in the US at Amazon.com. Most European dealers want about $130-$150 PLUS shipping. I don't buy much at Amazon, but I am glad I checked....

#1732 dretceterini

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Posted 26 August 2006 - 23:31

Originally posted by roger ellis
There's details of Janos Wimpffen's sequel to Open Roads etc. - Winged Sports Cars & Enduring Innovation - on www.bullpublishing.com

Looks fantastic.

Hope the house foundations are strong enough!


IMO, anything Janos has done, although expensive, is worth the money....and even the cost of an additional bookcase :)

#1733 dretceterini

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Posted 26 August 2006 - 23:36

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


Of course, I could say that those "collecting" books generally have mucked things up beyond all recogniton for those of us who actually use books for research versus being trophies, but I won't... ;)



I just want the information contained in some books that haven gotten out of reach financially. As far as I am concerned, photocopies would do just fine.....

#1734 dretceterini

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Posted 26 August 2006 - 23:45

(RE: Veloce Publishing)..........They are also due to start a new process of printing on demand for out of print titles, not the least of which are Angela Cherrett's two tomes on the Alfa 6 and 8 cylinder models, both superb works, esp the 8C book.



At 350 pounds for the new version, I think I'll stick with my original edition of the 8C book....

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Posted 27 August 2006 - 04:24

I just want the information contained in some books that haven gotten out of reach financially. As far as I am concerned, photocopies would do just fine.....


I think that this is where a number of us have wound up -- it is the book as a source of information and enlightenment, not as a possession that is important to those flirting with Clio.

#1736 petefenelon

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 14:36

Proof that there are still some bargains out there - we nipped out of the circuit to grab some lunch in the market behind Donington on Sunday and languishing in a box on one of the stalls was a copy of Mark Kahn's wonderful Tony Lanfranchi biography Down The Hatch. For 30p.;) I have a copy for which I paid a couple of orders of magnitude more, but Emma didn't ;)


#1737 bradbury west

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 17:25

Originally posted by dretceterini



At 350 pounds for the new version, I think I'll stick with my original edition of the 8C book....


I suspect that must be for the leather bound version, which is available on nearly all of their major publications IIRC. I would hope an on-demand new-print in conventional material would be nearer a "normal" price.

RL

PS Got my boxful of 40% discount stuff from them last week, superb value, and I endorse the comments about the McFadyen Oulton book.

#1738 David Beard

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 17:27

Originally posted by petefenelon
Down The Hatch. For 30p.;) I


I hope you offered more. I wouldn't have been able to sleep if I had paid that....
(and no, I don't have a copy :cry: )

#1739 petefenelon

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 11:26

The SAE have a few excellent bargains at the moment

Griff Borgeson's "The Golden Age Of The American Racing Car", 2nd ed., $19.99 ($15.99 to members)
http://www.sae.org/s...K&PROD_CD=R-196

(great book, but it appears to have been reprinted on a cross between thermal fax paper and Bronco shiny bogroll with badly photocopied pics, at least my copy does...)

Paul van Valkenburgh's "Chevrolet: Racing" ($19.99, $15.99 to members)
http://www.sae.org/s...K&PROD_CD=R-271

The two-volume set of Leo Levine's "Ford: The dust and the glory": ($40, $32 to members)
http://www.sae.org/t...cal/books/R-292
(Throw away volume 2, though, it's rubbish...).

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#1740 roger ellis

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 20:08

Just returned from my local Borders.

Result !

They have Menard's F1 Encyclopaedia (£60.OO in 2 vols) on their remainder table at a very reasonable £12.99.

Looked to have a few in stock so I would expect this title to be available in other branches.

#1741 ensign14

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 20:13

Is it worth £13? ISTR it being pretty rubbish.

#1742 Dennis David

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Posted 01 September 2006 - 22:05

Of course, I could say that those "collecting" books generally have mucked things up beyond all recogniton for those of us who actually use books for research versus being trophies, but I won't...


Some do both. :p

#1743 theunions

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 06:26

Does anyone know if Tremayne's "Lost Generation" (slated for Aug. 24 release) has actually come out yet? Amazon.co.uk doesn't say for sure, just that it's now "usually dispatched within 4 to 6 weeks."

#1744 FLB

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 06:32

Originally posted by theunions
Does anyone know if Tremayne's "Lost Generation" (slated for Aug. 24 release) has actually come out yet? Amazon.co.uk doesn't say for sure, just that it's now "usually dispatched within 4 to 6 weeks."

I spoke to Andrew Marriott about that very subject at Mosport Friday morning. He told me it's done and that it should be published within the next two weeks :D According to him, it's a terrific book (he ought to say that, he collaborated on it! :lol: ). The Tom Pryce section has a lot of information that has not been published before. Tremayne was able to interview some of his surviving family members.

#1745 M Needforspeed

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 13:20

I cld like I did in the past ask again to DCN when the BRM Vol 3 will be out...But perhaps some of us here has some recent infos ???

It s hard to wait, now .... :(

#1746 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 13:24

I placed my order for "The lost generation" with Motor Books some months ago. They are usually pretty prompt in supplying new titles, but I have not yet received it. Sounds like it should be soon.

#1747 PRD

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 16:38

Originally posted by M Needforspeed
I cld like I did in the past ask again to DCN when the BRM Vol 3 will be out...But perhaps some of us here has some recent infos ???

It s hard to wait, now .... :(


Amazon.co.uk are quoting January 07 for delivery

#1748 petefenelon

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Posted 03 September 2006 - 21:42

Quick trip into Motor Books this weekend..

The slipcased edition of Dennis Ortenburger's Lotus Elite: A Racing Car For The Road for 12 quid - oh yes. First skim says typical Coterie handsome production values and awful proofreading, although the 30 page appendix consisting of a handwritten chassis number list is more evocative than useful, I'd say.

Paul Parker's Formula One In Camera: 1960-1969 - very cute and worth having.

Toly's Ghost - OK, I see what Burt's done on this one and it looks a damn good read.....

Disappointment of the week has to be the Briggs/Starkey Golden Era. Basically it's Starkeyised the wonderful Ian Briggs Endurance Racing 1982-1991. The typography and layout are appalling, the distinction between narrative and reference blurred, the photo repro is poor, and on the whole it looks utterly amateurish and not a book to enjoy browsing through. I really, really wanted this to be good (but the name of Starkey filled me with dread -- I have no idea if it's as full of typos and errors as his other books). It doesn't seem like there's all that much extra content either, with one 400-page book having bloated to two much bigger ones...

I'd guess that between Briggs' original book, Time and Two Seats and the Martin/Wells Prototypes you could get everything in here apart from some recondite chassis data. And you might enjoy doing so, which I don't think you could do with this mess.

(And no, I didn't buy it!)


#1749 sandy

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Posted 04 September 2006 - 09:46

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
I see that Volume II of John Blandens book Australian Racing Cars is available.



Also Bob Shepherds book Racing Cars through the Years is available from Technical Books in NZ at NZ$80.00. That's a good price for such a wonderful book.

#1750 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 September 2006 - 10:04

May I take this opportunity to announce the arrival of Roger Nathan's autobiography?

The book has been co-written by Swiss gentleman racer Stephane Gutzwiller and has been self-published.

There has been no marketing strategy so far and of the 29 books I took to Goodwood, just 2 sold, at £30 a copy.

Should anyone be interested in the book, the best thing to do is to contact me and I will facilitate dispatch etc.