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#1951 McTaff

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 18:42

I'm in Llangorse, near Brecon & actually work on the Epynt! I'm not a huge fan of WRC but I do like to follow it especially when there are a few attacking drivers out. Sadly that's not often these days. Otherwise I satisfy myself with a bit of competing on road rallies and organising motorsport events of various descriptions from time to time. :cool:

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#1952 petefenelon

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 20:41

Originally posted by roger ellis
Has the Autocourse bubble burst or did someone bag a bargain?

A complete 25 year run from 1980, all with DJs, has recently been sold on E-Bay for £450.00.

Seems cheap to me.


And how much was the P&P?;)

I agree that recent prices seem to be down, I can only assume it's people saying "Blimey, I've lost interest in F1 and will shift all my books".

Normally, ACs back to 1995-6 or so shift for less than the cover price (I've seen some go for well under a tenner), 1994 is usually very, very expensive, and then the prices fal back to little more than cover price and start building again. The "hundred quid" threshold seems to be 1974-75...

#1953 petefenelon

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 20:46

Originally posted by Vitesse2
I have just - reluctantly - come to the end of 'Lost Generation'.
I can't add anything to Pete's review, apart from mentioning that the book has an excellent and fairly dispassionate analysis of the circumstances behind the air crash which killed Tony, Graham, Tony, Ray, Andy and Terry.


The nearest I can come to a criticism of the book is that it's relentlessly anti-Graham Hill in its analysis of the circumstances surrounding the accident; no criticism at all of DJT in his discussion of Graham's flying but I would've appreciated a more balanced view of whether or not NGH was aware of the circumstances around the documentation of his plane.

#1954 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by petefenelon


The nearest I can come to a criticism of the book is that it's relentlessly anti-Graham Hill in its analysis of the circumstances surrounding the accident; no criticism at all of DJT in his discussion of Graham's flying but I would've appreciated a more balanced view of whether or not NGH was aware of the circumstances around the documentation of his plane.

Yes, that's why I said "fairly dispassionate". It strikes me that DJT relied mainly on Tony Vlassopoulos for that view and I'd refer you particularly to the somewhat enigmatic statement by Vlassopoulos on page 213 (lines 7-9). I'm pretty sure I know who he means, but the laws of libel would probably apply. :

#1955 ensign14

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 22:26

Unless they're dead.

#1956 Vitesse2

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 00:26

Originally posted by ensign14
Unless they're dead.

They're not.

#1957 TooTall

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 03:28

I just picked up a copy of Getty Images Motor Racing by Brian Laban at the local Costco warehouse for $17.99. They also have similar volumes on cars and trains for the same price.

Cheers,
Kurt

#1958 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 08:24

I agree that all of those Getty Images books are excellent value, Kurt, and worthy additions to any bookshelf.

#1959 bradbury west

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 22:52

I whiled away an hour today in Borders and came across an updated version of Anthony Pritchard's Lotus; All the Cars. I always find his works very useful and proficient. There are more, and different pictures compared with the original, and far more narrative, with salient comments from Len Terry and Mike Costin etc, plus an interesting interview with Cliff Allison.

Talking of Pritchard, in Mike Kettlewell Books' new pamphlet/flyer there is mention of Anthony Pritchard's forthcoming book on the Targa Florio, and talking of DCN, there is a note of Red Dream , due December, a DCN book on certain Ferraris, 20 I think.

Roger Lund.

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#1960 philippe charuest

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 19:03

Originally posted by bradbury west
I whiled away an hour today in Borders and came across an updated version of Anthony Pritchard's Lotus; All the Cars. I always find his works very useful and proficient. There are more, and different pictures compared with the original, and far more narrative, with salient comments from Len Terry and Mike Costin etc, plus an interesting interview with Cliff Allison.



Roger Lund.

i bought it . its specially useful for the lower formula tasman F 2-3 a-b-c ford ect. i was confident that it would be good cause i already had the "maserati ;a racing history" . now what about "aston martin ;a racing history " is it good? . i dont know why but Anthony Pritchard doesnt seem to have many fan around here

#1961 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 20:29

I'm a fan.

His mid-1970s Maserati 250F book was one of the first to get me interested in tracing histories of individual cars.

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#1962 Alan Cox

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 20:56

Me too.

He tends to use a preponderance of photos by Tom March, as, I believe, Aston Publications used to own the archive - don't know if they still do, or, indeed, whether they still exist.

#1963 bradbury west

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 21:07

At the risk of sounding like "I am Spartacus" I am also a fan. His Lotus; The Sports Racing cars is excellent IMHO, as is his Specialist British Sports Racing Cars of the 50s and 60s. I am with you on the 250F book. How is the Maserati; a racing history different from Maserati , a History.?

I expect his Targa book will be good, with quality photos. T C March always seems to have had especially good access and vantage points.

Looking along my shelves I looked again at Andrew Fergusson's Team Lotus, the Indianapolis years. I had foregotten how good that was, especially for something not usually covered in such depth. It is worth it, IMHO, just as a photo archive, like the Bamsey AU, Lotus 25 and Vanwall profiles, so the text is a bonus.

Another one on my shelves here which got me going again is Ferrari; che genti. Another to read again.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 21:39

Talking to Bjorn this afternoon, it appears that Mintex Man - Relined is quite diferent in some page content from the first version. Do we know if it is a "proper" volume 2 or just a revamp of the first issue but with a few more photos?

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 22:19

TECNO - LA STORIA

Autore: Giuseppe Bianchini - Paolo D'Alessio

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#1966 Alan Cox

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 08:29

Re: the Pritchard Targa book, I fear that there won't be any Tom March photos, as I think he did only one or two continental events in his entire career, Le Mans 1955 being one.

#1967 bradbury west

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Posted 24 November 2006 - 08:52

Re; Mintex Man Relined. Bjorn has indicated that it appears to be just a revamp of the first volume with extra photos, based on details of the original photos which he has. Perhaps there were not enough new shots to do another full book.

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#1968 sterling49

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 23:01

Found a great book shop in Rochester High Street which has a good motoring/motorsport collection, picked up two bargains there and I am busy reading one at present, Maurice Hamilton's biography of Ken Tyrell, great reading, it does not seem that long ago that the Tyrrell Racing Organisation was a dominant force in F1 with the lovely blue Matras :up: and the world beating cars bearing his own name. Oh..........and the price, just £5.00, I could not have found a more absorbing book to read if I had spent ten times more. What a great journey Ken made and the priciples he held would not go amiss in some of todays so called "characters", all well written by Hamilton.

#1969 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 00:48

Originally posted by sterling49
Found a great book shop in Rochester High Street which has a good motoring/motorsport collection, picked up two bargains there and I am busy reading one at present, Maurice Hamilton's biography of Ken Tyrell, great reading, it does not seem that long ago that the Tyrrell Racing Organisation was a dominant force in F1 with the lovely blue Matras :up: and the world beating cars bearing his own name. Oh..........and the price, just £5.00, I could not have found a more absorbing book to read if I had spent ten times more. What a great journey Ken made and the priciples he held would not go amiss in some of todays so called "characters", all well written by Hamilton.

Yep, excellent book. :up:

Mind you, I paid just £1.00 for it on eBay :p

For those in the West Country who are familiar with Book Barn, they are currently stocking up a new store at their original Farrington Gurney site - Book Barn 2. They're bringing out lots of books which they've probably had in their stockrooms for years, at not unreasonable prices.

Worth a visit ;)

#1970 RS2000

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 16:50

Originally posted by Vitesse2

For those in the West Country who are familiar with Book Barn, they are currently stocking up a new store at their original Farrington Gurney site - Book Barn 2. They're bringing out lots of books which they've probably had in their stockrooms for years, at not unreasonable prices.

Worth a visit ;)


Especially to look for the very good condition copy of "Mon Ami Mate" they got (no doubt for scrap value) from the Dorset Library Service when some total idiot disposed of it....

#1971 sterling49

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 17:26

Originally posted by Vitesse2

Yep, excellent book. :up:

Mind you, I paid just £1.00 for it on eBay :p

For those in the West Country who are familiar with Book Barn, they are currently stocking up a new store at their original Farrington Gurney site - Book Barn 2. They're bringing out lots of books which they've probably had in their stockrooms for years, at not unreasonable prices.

Worth a visit ;)


I was done! :eek: I keep meaning to explore e-bay, maybe that's the prod I needed, 80% discount :smoking: , was the book in good condition though? Mine is in mint condition, there again it's only a couple of years old, so it should be.

#1972 bradbury west

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 17:30

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RS2000
[B]


Do any of you familiar with Farrington Gurney remember The Old Parsonage restaurant, and mine host Mr Watson. ? Fabulous place, seriously good food. Sadly it closed some years ago now IIRC

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#1973 bradbury west

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:34

[i]Originally posted by Roger Clark

Doug Nye, in his book on McLaren cars quoted Eoin Young: " It was also the Zerex Special, re-framed and re-engined but for various reasons Bruce decreed it should be known officially as the Cooper-Oldsmobile."

I would be quite happy to use the term forerunner or precursor rather than prototype, but I still think the car was more of a McLaren production than a Cooper or Zerex special.......

[/B]

Looking for something else earlier, I came across October 1964 Motor Sport in which there is an MLT-penned article describing the new Mclaren Oldsmobile fully. Is that the car which raced at the TT the previous month? If so I am ready for my portion of humble pie to be served to me, semantically of course, by Roger Clark

Roger Lund.

#1974 David Beard

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:34

I have been aware for a long time that our Pete writes excellent book reviews...but I was astonished to find that he has contributed nearly 250 of them to Amazon! (and all worth reading)

http://www.amazon.co...y=public&page=1

Pete...just how quickly do you read a book?

#1975 petefenelon

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 21:48

Very quickly, but I don't really post many reviews these days! At the moment I average maybe 3-4 books a week, but these days that's a little higher than it used to be as I'm commuting 40 miles each way to work and back, so I get at least 2 hours' solid reading in, plus whatever I do at home!

#1976 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 22:01

Originally posted by RS2000


Especially to look for the very good condition copy of "Mon Ami Mate" they got (no doubt for scrap value) from the Dorset Library Service when some total idiot disposed of it....

That will probably be the ex-library copy they currently have listed on ABEbooks for £73.00 :eek:

The downside of Book Barn is that not all their stock is on open shelves. They run their internet operation from their Bristol site and the stock is kept off the shop floor, completely separate from the "public" stock.

I mentioned it purely because they seem to be bringing out a lot of good stuff which has avoided going to Bristol. And usually at prices lower than their internet prices. The stock in Book Barn 1 and Bristol is pretty moribund, but there are some gems appearing in Book Barn 2!

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 22:10

:wave: David ,good tip , just spend 1/2 hour reading them!

#1978 petefenelon

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 23:14

Originally posted by David Beard
I have been aware for a long time that our Pete writes excellent book reviews...but I was astonished to find that he has contributed nearly 250 of them to Amazon! (and all worth reading)

http://www.amazon.co...y=public&page=1

Pete...just how quickly do you read a book?


although in one of those "small world" things, a friend and colleague wandered up to my desk one lunchtime recently and said "'ere, I didn't know you were an amazon reviewer... did you know that X was my ex-girlfriend?" - where X was someone whose first novel I'd posted a good review of...

#1979 Roger Clark

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 01:41

Originally posted by bradbury west


Looking for something else earlier, I came across October 1964 Motor Sport in which there is an MLT-penned article describing the new Mclaren Oldsmobile fully. Is that the car which raced at the TT the previous month? If so I am ready for my portion of humble pie to be served to me, semantically of course, by Roger Clark

Roger Lund.

No it wasn't, and I hope there's nothing I posted that implied it was.

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 07:58

Originally posted by David Beard
I have been aware for a long time that our Pete writes excellent book reviews...but I was astonished to find that he has contributed nearly 250 of them to Amazon! (and all worth reading)

And an eclectic bunch they are, too, as I realised when mulling over a review of a book on the great Captain Beefheart - a minority interest, I would have thought, to put it kindly, but it didn't escape Pete's attention. :up:

#1981 bradbury west

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 10:38

[i]Originally posted by Roger Clark No it wasn't, and I hope there's nothing I posted that implied it was. [/B]

It is my own confusion with time scales, I suspect. For the article to be published in MS October issue ( different publishing dates then), it was probably written in August/September, I wondered whether the cars may have been one and the same.

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#1982 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 16:11

Originally posted by h4887

when mulling over a review of a book on the great Captain Beefheart - a minority interest, :up:


"Drop out Boogie"..."Trout Mask Replica" :up:

#1983 bradbury west

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 17:27

I remember how we were wowed by Follow the Yellow Brick Road when John Peel played it on the Perfumed Garden, his late night slot, when he arrived at Radio London, 266m, Big L. (still got the T shirt)

Sad, I know.

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#1984 Alan Cox

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 17:38

bradbury west recently posted news of Veloce's current 40% discount offer, valid until 21st December. Having tried to place an order, I find that virtually all of their motor sport books are currently out of stock! (e.g. Karl Ludvigsen's BRM V16 book, Anthony Carter's Reflections of a lost era, Motor Racing at Crystal Palace, Anatomy of the works Minis etc...).

Is this indicative of the success of the current promotion? One can only hope so.

However, while browsing, I noted the following forthcoming title:

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BRM - a mechanic’s tale by Dick Salmon. Sounds, and looks, interesting.

http://www.veloce.co...d...s & Trucks

#1985 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 18:00

Originally posted by bradbury west
I remember how we were wowed by Follow the Yellow Brick Road when John Peel played it on the Perfumed Garden, his late night slot, when he arrived at Radio London, 266m, Big L. (still got the T shirt)

Sad, I know.

RL


No, it's not sad, they were great day's........... "Wonderful Radio London" John Peel was THE MAN! :up: Radio did not get better in 1967 with "Radio One", even though they wanted us to believe it did!!!! :down:

#1986 MCS

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 20:04

Originally posted by Alan Cox
However, while browsing, I noted the following forthcoming title:

BRM - a mechanic’s tale by Dick Salmon. Sounds, and looks, interesting.


Yes, I spotted that too, Alan! Did you download the samples?

In the apparent absence of a certain other BRM book, this may keep us going I guess - although in all honesty, I was idly looking to see if there was a 1970s version of Peter McFadyen's Oulton Park book on the horizon yet !!!

#1987 Alan Cox

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 21:05

Yes, I did, Mark. The paddock shots look very interesting. Again, generally they appear to be pictures that haven't been seen before - always good news.

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 21:14

Originally posted by sterling49


"Drop out Boogie"..."Trout Mask Replica" :up:

Was listening to the latter yesterday...

The BBC by the way have decided in their infinite wisdom to drop the Festive Fifty this year. Bastards.

#1989 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 21:42

Originally posted by ensign14
Was listening to the latter yesterday...

The BBC by the way have decided in their infinite wisdom to drop the Festive Fifty this year. Bastards.

And just what do they know :rolleyes: We certaintly are an old bunch......with exceptionally good taste! I have "Hot Rats" in the car at the moment......"I'm a little pimp with my hair gassed back,pair of khaki pants and my shoes shined black" sung by a certain Don Van Vliet.........and today we have Steps and Boyzone :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#1990 ensign14

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 21:59

Well, apart from Shite and Bozone no longer exist. And in the past there was the Monkees, Adam Faith and Georgie Fame.

Maybe the head honcho at the BBC should just go and vomit on John Peel's grave, as he was the only one worth listening to on Radio 1 since about 1984 and they've destroyed his legacy.

#1991 sterling49

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 22:06

Originally posted by ensign14

Maybe the head honcho at the BBC should just go and vomit on John Peel's grave, as he was the only one worth listening to on Radio 1 since about 1984 and they've destroyed his legacy.


...............he's just defected to ITV.........I was listening to John Peel from the '60's......introduced such a variety of new music,soo exciting to tune in to his show, radio and music is now so segmented and all the poorer for it.

#1992 h4887

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 20:10

Originally posted by ensign14
Was listening to the latter yesterday...


That's right, ensign14, fast and bulbous!

#1993 JohnS

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 21:04

Is there anything in this huge thread about Doug Nye's new book "The Red Dream"? Does anyone have it yet?

John

#1994 green-blood

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 08:39

http://www.motorbook...tails_35904.ncm

hmmm

#1995 Bill Wagenblatt

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 19:48

Has anyone seen a copy of the “Die best Fotos v. Julius Weitman”? I have always admired his photos and would appreciate any recommendations.

Thanks,

Bill

#1996 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 21:22

Hi Bill and others : 3 vols. of 256 pages each set with pics of Weitmann/Seufert/Wilhelm 180EURO.
MOTORSPORT HIGHLIGHTS lok at www.ams-webshop.de

#1997 Herbert

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 13:28

I just bought "Racing in the Rain" by John Horsman during the week. The first impression is really good. I gives a real good inside into the development of the Ford GT40 and the JW/Gulf-team with its Gt40s, 917s and Mirages.
It's sometimes very detailed (e.g. with figures from windtunnel-testing etc.), much more so than the new Nobert Singer autobiography 24:16, which is also a good read, but I think sometimes a little bit to superficial. In both books are quite a few pictures of the development of the various sportscars, which were completely unknown to me.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 01:11

Porsche 917 – Zuffenhausen's Le Mans and Can-Am Champion
By Karl Ludvigsen – ICONOGRAFIX 2006
ISBN 1-58388-180-8, US $29.95

Review by Michael Gee

Take note that Iconografix's goal is to preserve motor sport history through the publication of notable photographic archives. The photographic material in this book is not matched elsewhere and meets their declaration.
Karl Ludvigsen starts with a three-page introduction presenting the players in the project to create the eventual dominator of Le Mans and Can-Am. He has added enlightening captions to each photograph.
Most of the black and white photographs, 120 pages of such, are 23 by 15 cm in size and very clear. Starting with the required 25 917's parked in "Teutonic precision" for the FIA inspectors to examine, Ludvigsen shows the birth of the 917. Eventually this body design was abandoned due to poor results in 1969.
Seventeen pages of mechanical elements under the hood show the transaxle, differential drawings of the 917 and also include con rods, camshafts, and more drawings of the flat 12 cylinder layout. This should please mechanical engineers. No doubt, someone in Germany must have earned a doctorate for the engine project.
The covers are in colour to attract the buyer. The photographs inside the book deliver European and Can-Am activity equally.
Near the back of the book are images of Mark Donohue testing and racing in Cam-Am competition. Donohue and Roger Penske were determined to make a winner out of the 917.
To get the whole story of the 917 history, make sure to have Donohue's book, the unfair advantage, as a companion to Ludvigsen's book. In Donohue's book, especially Chapter 25, Donohue gets into detail about the efforts taken to get the 917 to perform like a champion. Donohue used all of his skill as an engineer to keep the 917-10 and the 917-10 Turbo out front of the pack.
This book, Porsche 917, is an excellent addition to the motor sport fan's nostalgia collection. The background provided by Ludvigsen supported by exclusive photos make a very valuable read. Combined with Donohue's book it's the complete story. View or contact WWW.iconografixinc.com or info@iconografixinc.com.

Foto of 917 at Mission Raceway Park by Nigel Matthews

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#1999 Doug Nye

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 20:11

Originally posted by JohnS
Is there anything in this huge thread about Doug Nye's new book "The Red Dream"? Does anyone have it yet?

John


I should explain this is really a book of studio photographs of the Perfetti Collection Ferraris. I was merely asked to contribute some descriptive text on each model illustrated. I don't regard it as one of 'my' books - nor did the italian publisher intend it to be one.

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#2000 green-blood

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 09:25

are they nice pics though Doug ?? If so no-one will even read the text :rotfl: