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#2051 bradbury west

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 12:44

Peter, how quick is Play.com's service, excluding the inevitable current seasonal delays?

Roger Lund.

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#2052 petefenelon

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 13:10

Originally posted by bradbury west
Peter, how quick is Play.com's service, excluding the inevitable current seasonal delays?

Roger Lund.



Usually excellent, pretty much everything I've ever ordered from them has arrived within a week.

#2053 bradbury west

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 15:47

In view of the general delight which is greeting the archive photographs posted by Jerry Entin on the Paddock and Track threads, it is worth noting that among many other titles in their Sale, Chaters, and presumably other retailers, have

Pro Sports Car Racing in America 1958 to 1974 listed at £9.99 from £29.99 in hardback, £1 less in softback.

This is a fabulous book, IMHO, full of really good photos with excellent captions, covering racing and cars from a halcyon period which , to me, was not well known. I find it sits very well as a period shelf-mate with the Edgar/Fitch/Parravano sports racer book, the Burnside/McLuggage tome American Racing, and, slightly different, Joe Scalzo's volume Indy Roadsters 1952/64, again something which we did not see covered regularly here.

I see from other promotional material, that Palawan Press have plans to release Martin Buckley's definitive book on Facel Vega after March 1 2007. Buckley has made a major study of the marque for many years.

Palawan still have some copies available of the well-received work, Dick and George, by Doug Nye & Geoff Goddard, recounting the correspondence between Dick Seaman and George Monkhouse when Seaman was with MB, plus later letters with Seaman's mother after Dick's demise.

Mike Kettlewell has TNF's David McKinney's definitive work on the 250F available now at £9.99, so you have the opportunity to put that on your shelves too at a bargain price. (Sorry if the commercial embarrasses you David.)

Usual disclaimers.


Roger Lund.

#2054 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 15:50

:clap: Santa was early here, just brought my new book : BRM A Mechanics Tale , Dick Salmon in collaboration with Anthony Carter,who you should know from the fab book Reflections of a lost era!

This new one is too A GREAT BOOK! Off course I have not read it yet , but just seeing those pictures.....................................................................................faboulos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most never seen/never shown (?) also colour, lots from paddock, mechs at work, naked cars , not only BRM....SUPER!

#2055 David McKinney

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 16:12

Originally posted by bradbury west
Mike Kettlewell has TNF's David McKinney's definitive work on the 250F available now at £9.99, so you have the opportunity to put that on your shelves too at a bargain price. (Sorry if the commercial embarrasses you David.)

No, the commercial doesn't embarrass me, Roger
But the price does :lol:

#2056 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 16:25

Originally posted by bradbury west
Mike Kettlewell has TNF's David McKinney's definitive work on the 250F available now ...

Is Mike back in the book business?

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#2057 petefenelon

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 16:51

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Is Mike back in the book business?

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I'm not sure Mike is still involved in Mill House is he? - I thought his daughter ran it these days after Mike retired. (Didn't he only set Mill House up after his eyesight had made continuing as a journo difficult?)

I've an immense soft spot for Mike's early 80s Motor Racing Directories. HUGE amounts of quirky information.

I've been dealing with Mill House for nearly 20 years and they've always provided excellent service and usually have interesting stock at good prices.

#2058 bradbury west

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 16:51

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Is Mike back in the book business?

Allen


Error on my part , then.

Please read the relevant post as Mill House Books. I dealt with MK for the best part of 25 years. it was just the way I viewed the retailer as eponymous.

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#2059 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 December 2006 - 21:59

Originally posted by bradbury west

Pro Sports Car Racing in America 1958 to 1974 listed at £9.99 from £29.99 in hardback, £1 less in softback.


A super book, and this seems like a real bargain price for it. Needless to say I bought mine some time ago at full price!

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#2060 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 04:26

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Here are some books whose publication I'm eagerly anticipating.

The English version of the limited edition of Doug Nye's Ferrari: The Red Dream



Jack


I've recently been advised that there is no English version of the limited edition of "Ferrari: The Red Dream".

Can anyone here confirm or refute this?

Thank you.

Jack

#2061 Mal9444

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 07:58

I've just finished David McKinley's book on the 250F Maserati, and am part way through Chris Nixon's Sports Car Heaven - both excellent reads and both rich mines of information. In both jean Behra features prominently: in the Maser book one ends up with the feeling that Behra had better overall results in the 250F than did even Moss or Fangio - but that may be simply because he drove more 250Fs in more races.

Has anyone ever done a book (in English, given that he's French) on the carerr of this very successful driver? I remember him quite well from my schooldays following the adventures of Moss, Collins, Hawthorn et al - but in those days he always was somewhat overshadowed by those gallactic performers. Is he another of the Unappreciated Ones?

#2062 David McKinney

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 09:06

Originally posted by Mal9444
I've just finished David McKinley's book on the 250F Maserati

whose?

#2063 bradbury west

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 09:36

IIRC Behra is/was N S Roebuck's hero.
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#2064 ian senior

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 10:03

Originally posted by bradbury west
IIRC Behra is/was N S Roebuck's hero.
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Correct, to my knowledge. I often wondered why Nigel hasn't produced a book on Behra. I guess it would be a real "labour of love", and consequently we'd see a return to the old Nigel Roebuck that we suspect still exists.

Not much chance of him repeating his Andretti anecdotes, though.

#2065 Mal9444

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 10:31

"I've just finished David McKinley's book on the..."

David McKinley, the well-known typing error.

Not doing very well with you, am I?

But a most rewarding book, nonetheless.

:wave:

#2066 David McKinney

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:02

You're forgiven ;)

#2067 petefenelon

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 12:07

Originally posted by ian senior


Correct, to my knowledge. I often wondered why Nigel hasn't produced a book on Behra. I guess it would be a real "labour of love", and consequently we'd see a return to the old Nigel Roebuck that we suspect still exists.

Not much chance of him repeating his Andretti anecdotes, though.


Given that there are good books on Mario, Chris Amon, Rosemeyer and Gilles, it's Roebuck's two French heroes who lack a good English-langauge biography - I think Nigel would be entirely too biased to truly do Prost justice, but I would gladly shell out good money for NSR on Behra.

#2068 philippe charuest

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 17:50

an even better book would be a double biography in the style of "mon ami mate "of jean Behra and Harry Schell . and yes " pro sports car racing in america 58-74 " is a must have ,theres no other book with so many good pictures on that specific era. many maybe too many books were done on the "canam" but not much on the 58-66 usac- usscc period and that book fill the gap, but another book on the period with all the data championship rule book ,race result and championship standing ect.. would be welcome too.

#2069 Mal9444

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 18:42

Originally posted by David McKinney
You're forgiven ;)


Thanks. I saw the book in Motor Books just at the time you were keeping us all up to the mark on which Dinky is modelled on which Maserati and thought "better buy this and bone-up before I open my mouth again".

The best laid schemes...

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#2070 Rob Ryder

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Posted 19 December 2006 - 19:34

Originally posted by bradbury west
Mike Kettlewell has TNF's David McKinney's definitive work on the 250F available now at £9.99, so you have the opportunity to put that on your shelves too at a bargain price. (Sorry if the commercial embarrasses you David.)
Usual disclaimers.
Roger Lund. [/B]

Visited Mill House website and their quoted price is £19.95 :confused:
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Posted 20 December 2006 - 22:26

Santas slay has been coming early in Kent this year, have received the Vic Elford Book, The Works Minis, The Eppynt Book and The Lost Generation, still waiting for Amazon to deliver Racing in the Rain, question is guys, just which one do I read 1st :confused:

#2072 petefenelon

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 00:16

Originally posted by sterling49
Santas slay has been coming early in Kent this year, have received the Vic Elford Book, The Works Minis, The Eppynt Book and The Lost Generation, still waiting for Amazon to deliver Racing in the Rain, question is guys, just which one do I read 1st :confused:


The Lost Generation is possibly the racing book of the decade. The Elford and Horsman books are excellent, but The Lost Generation is special.

#2073 sterling49

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 19:25

Originally posted by petefenelon


The Lost Generation is possibly the racing book of the decade. The Elford and Horsman books are excellent, but The Lost Generation is special.


Thanks for the tip, I have heard good reports about this book and will commence with it :up:

#2074 Mallory Dan

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 14:11

Got my copy, from Simon Lewis (cheers Simon!), and looking forward to getting stuck in in the hols. In York over the break, fancy a pint Pete??

#2075 David Beard

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 14:26

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Got my copy, from Simon Lewis (cheers Simon!), and looking forward to getting stuck in in the hols. In York over the break, fancy a pint Pete??


When? I could be there too :)

#2076 Mallory Dan

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 14:30

24th - 27th David.

#2077 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 16:49

The Lost Generation is special.



Just ordered mine from W.H.S.

#2078 petefenelon

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 21:39

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Got my copy, from Simon Lewis (cheers Simon!), and looking forward to getting stuck in in the hols. In York over the break, fancy a pint Pete??


I'm only there 28th-29th!

#2079 Alan Cox

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 11:30

bradbury west recently posted news of Veloce's current 40% discount offer, valid until 21st December. Having tried to place an order, I find that virtually all of their motor sport books are currently out of stock! (e.g. Karl Ludvigsen's BRM V16 book, Anthony Carter's Reflections of a lost era, Motor Racing at Crystal Palace, Anatomy of the works Minis etc...).

Is this indicative of the success of the current promotion? One can only hope so.

However, while browsing, I noted the following forthcoming title:

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BRM - a mechanic’s tale by Dick Salmon. Sounds, and looks, interesting.

http://www.veloce.co...c...s & Trucks


Have just received my copy of this, and it looks very promising, with a great selection of previously unpublished, behind-the-scenes photographs.

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 21:04

Given the date, can I just say that I hope Santa is good to us all tomorrow and that well-meaning relatives/friends don't give anybody a copy of Motor-racing's Strangest Races :)

#2081 sterling49

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 21:07

Originally posted by D-Type
Given the date, can I just say that I hope Santa is good to us all tomorrow and that well-meaning relatives/friends don't give anybody a copy of Motor-racing's Strangest Races :)


I have my crew well briefed :lol: I just wish I could open one present tonight, as I have nothing to read.........bored already and this is just the start of the holiday :rolleyes:

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 12:30

Grrr.... I've got an IoU for a copy of Pritchard's history of Aston Martin in racing -- my sister ordered a copy but it didn't get there for Christmas! :p Does look like an excellent book too!

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Posted 25 December 2006 - 12:52

Originally posted by petefenelon
Grrr.... I've got an IoU for a copy of Pritchard's history of Aston Martin in racing -- my sister ordered a copy but it didn't get there for Christmas! :p Does look like an excellent book too!


I got the same message from Amazon for "Racing in the Rain".....so will commence my marathon read with "The Lost Generation", what a great Xmas, no sox, handkerchiefs or smelly stuff in sight! :rotfl:

#2084 petefenelon

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Posted 26 December 2006 - 14:27

I see that biker and bike constructor Colin Seeley has put out a lavishly-illustrated autobiography, which sounds like a must if you're into competition on two and three wheels -- and if it covers Colin's brief time at Brabham it should have a fair bit of four-wheel interest too.

#2085 green-blood

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 10:34

well lads happy christmas and a prosperous new year

As we have a 2 year old for whom this is her first magical christmas and a 9 month old with huge lungs this christmas break is more work than being in work, and I've not opened a cover other than the TV guide to find out where the cartoons are on :lol:

I did get Paul Frere's 8th edition of "porsche 911 story" which nicely bookends with my first edition, so that was nice. Other than that this christmas has seen a heap of Leonardo Da Vinci books, ok its nostalgia but not the sort for here.

enjoy the holidays (thats particularly for our friends accross the pond)

#2086 sterling49

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 13:51

Just finished reading the Vic Elford story. A great trip through his disenchantment with the Ford works team, to his 1st outing in the new 911 and the great journey from there onwards to the great 917. Superb photos at all the great venues, Vic really excelled at the Targa and the 'Ring.
Just wish Amazon would send my "Racing in The Rain".

#2087 Mark A

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 23:18

I had a fairly good Christmas book wise (pointing SWMBO at the Veloce website with the 40% off code helped though :) )

From Veloce I ended up with the 1950's Motorsport in colour, 1 1/2-litre Grand Prix racing, BRM V16, Montlhery and BMC Competition Department Secrets.
Haven't had a proper read at them yet as been enjoying the Winged Sports Cars and Enduring Innovation book so much (despite finding a mistake on one of the 1st pages I looked at ): ) The pictures and info in the book is brilliant, a must for any sportscar racing fan.

Just awaiting the release of the new Jim Clark book from Coterie Press as I have an IOU for that one, hopefully it will be ready in time for the Club Lotus show at Donington as I usually spend quite a bit with Coterie at that show.

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 10:08

Originally posted by Andrew Stevens
Has anyone else caught up with "Let 'Em All Go" by Chris Economaki and Dave Argabright? I read most of it in one sitting on the airplane from Sydney to Perth and have thoughly enjoyed it. I didn't know much about US dirt track history but the stories are very entertaining. It makes you stop and think when you add up the number of guys killed in midget racing in the postwar era however...

Despite that I've really enjoyed the book. People in Australia can order it from a certain motoring bookshop in Perth or US people can get it from Dave Argabright's website I guess.


Andrew I am nearly finished it and am thoroughly enjoying it.

#2089 Allan Lupton

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 12:43

Originally posted by Mark A
(despite finding a mistake on one of the 1st pages I looked at


All too prevalent these days in my opinion.
Goaded by the evident lack of publishers' editors, when I retired some years ago, I offered my services to various publishers whose books had contained not just mistakes but real howlers. I was told that all was well and they didn't need me - and in one case (leave you to guess which) the MD said he could and did do the editing himself: I was able to send him a long list from his latest book (admittedly on my specialist subject) which included non-specialist things like text and photo caption saying different things on the same page, columns of costings that didn't add up to the shown total and captions containing non-words where the author's difficult handwriting had defeated someone.
I did land the job for a book on aeroplane engines, and many of the (factual) points I raised were not accepted by the author.

#2090 RA Historian

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 15:13

Misspellings can bedevil even the best of intentions. Spell check can be a curse as well as a blessing if it is relied upon too much.

I recall a soft cover book on racing Corvettes that came out in the early 1990s. I did a review of it for On Track magazine and had to report that I discovered over 90 errors, not counting spelling. Most were of the wrong year, wrong track, wrong winner variety, but a few were really astounding. One such was a photograph of the Sadler FF Chevrolet V-8 powered formula libre car of 1960 which was captioned that this car ran in the 1963 US Grand Prix! And so on.

Of course, I cannot sit hear completely innocent myself, as my first book, despite all my care in writing it, and with the publisher having the esteemed Donald Davidson edit it, had a couple slip through. Despite several read throughs, Jody Scheckter came out "Joey" in one photo caption. Also, I got the 1957 four cam Ferraris mixed up and misidentified ED Martin's as having been someone else's the year before. I did not catch that mistake until a couple years later. All very embarrassing, but stuff happens.

As far as Winged Sports Cars, I have not seen it yet and cannot comment on the error other than I have to believe it was in production, and not due to the efforts of the author, Janos Wimpffen. I not only have his earlier efforts but know him personally, and I am astounded at the lengths through which Janos goes to gather his facts.

Happy New Year,
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#2091 Frank S

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 19:23

Originally posted by RA Historian
Misspellings can bedevil even the best of intentions. Spell check can be a curse as well as a blessing if it is relied upon too much.

[...]

Of course, I cannot sit hear completely innocent myself [...]

Happy New Year,
Tom

According to Mike Lyle,

"Skitt's Law (and a law may also be a curse) as follows:


"In a given Usenet message the probability of error is proportional to
the intent of correction of a previous Usenet message.


"There is also a closely-related inverse square law of Usenet posting:
The visibilty of an error decreases in proportion to the square of
the need to identify it. "

Not only on Usenet ...

Felíz año nuevo; chorizo con huevo.

--
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#2092 Mark A

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 23:28

Just to clarify the error I noticed in Winged Sportscars.

The well known Rally and Race Driver of the 60's Geoff Mabbs was called Godfrey Mabbs. (As the owner of one of Geoff's old cars I guess it jumped out for me).

#2093 RA Historian

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 05:06

Originally posted by Mark A
The well known Rally and Race Driver of the 60's Geoff Mabbs was called Godfrey Mabbs. (

As W.C. Fields famously exclaimed in his movies, "Godfrey Daniels!!"

#2094 John Starkey

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 16:36

Hello and a Happy New year to all!

I'm able to accept criticism, so no problem there. I do have a couple of things to point out:

To: R.A. Historian: You complain about the fact that most of the T70 Spyders sent to John Mecom in America show no subsequent history. Neither John Mecom, the Lola agent at the time of the T70s, nor Carl Haas, the subsequent agent in America, kept their records for this period. As far back as 1989, I contacted both to ask who they sold their cars to and neither was able to help. John Mecom had a manager, John Kalb, (who sadly died earlier this year), and he said that he'd disposed of these records: "Many years ago-who would ever want them?!"

So the only way to discover these car's histories is to start from today and work backwards, a process I am sure you are used to.

You say you have all three books of mine on Lolas and don't like or want them. I will happily pay you what you paid for them, (new list price), plus shipping to the USA as I have a backlog of people emailing me who wish to buy these books. Please contact me on: info@johnstarkeycars.com to arrange.

To: Peterfelon: You say that there are bookshops local to you that are remaindering these books at £5.00 each. Can you please furnish me with their contact addresses please as I wish to buy them.

I'm shortly going to publish, on my website, (www.johnstarkeycars.com), a history of each T70 Spyder, one per week. Can I suggest that anyone, with any information on these cars, joins me to help to get their histories straight?

John Starkey

#2095 RA Historian

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 19:58

Hello John,

Sorry to have stirred up a bit of trouble. I do not believe that I said that I did not want your books; my inference was that I was disappointed in them and believe that they could have been better. Back when they came out, especially the original T-70 book, I was being paid by On Track magazine for reviews. I had to point out what I considered shortcomings and my recommendation to the readers as to how they spent thier book dollars.

I stand by my criticism of the T-70 book. The chassis listing was very incomplete and did have many errors. I understand that tracing of chassis numbers is an inexact science, but in a book that cost some $60 US I expected better accuracy, or at least a prominent disclaimer that the info presented cannot be relied upon. The other two Lola books do have some value in the listing of each Lola model with production figures and the like. It is just that I would have liked more info on each. Some were very shortchanged.

No, you cannot buy my books back, because I am going to keep them. There certainly are parts of all three that are worthwhile; it is just that with any research that I may do with them I will have to get another opinion for verification.

I am glad to hear that you are in the process of updating matters and hopefully will be putting out new editions that will be more accurate. Again, Please do not take any criticism personally; I am simply trying for accuracy, and as I may have stated earlier, I have discovered some embarassing mistakes in my books so I do sympathize.

Tom

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 21:21

John,

I've seen the second volume of your Lola history in the post-Christmas clearance sale in various Waterstones branches around the North of England, although not for a couple of years - vol. 1 I've not seen for some time. Should I find copies I'll let you know.

#2097 John Starkey

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 22:59

Dear R.A. Historian,

"or at least a prominent disclaimer that the info presented cannot be relied upon."

Please refer to page 136 of the first edition, (repeated in subsequent editions), where a promnent disclaimer is displayed...

And yes, my offer still stnds of buying the books back at new price plus shipping to USA.

Kind regards

John Starkey

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 03:27

Originally posted by John Starkey
[BPlease refer to page 136 of the first edition, (repeated in subsequent editions), where a promnent disclaimer is displayed...
[/B]

My mistake. It's been 10 years or so since I looked at it, so I failed to remember that. Apologies.

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 17:18

:clap: FOR FEBRUAR 2007 : a book on LE MANS 1957 !!!!!!!!

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#2100 John Starkey

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 19:05

Dear R.A. Historian,

Thank you, that is appreciated. I always remember that when I managed Jasper Carrott, he didn't used to get very upset about criticism; he used to say: "When someone can stand on a stage with just a guitar and entertain an audience of two to three thousand for two hours, then I'll listen to the criticism." Sound advice, I always thought!

Anyway, I'll try to get the first of the T70 Spyders/roadsters on my site (www.johnstarkeycars.com), next week and if anyone can spot ANYTHING that needs correction, or if anyone can contribute any information, please let me know. There are still some wonderful mysteries to be sorted out!

John Starkey