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#2601 kayemod

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 09:18

Originally posted by RTH
Yes it is quite unbelievable Roger.

How about a motor Racing based sequel ?

............Harry Potter and the 40 F1 team proprietors , perhaps ? ;)


Hermann Tilke would be a really good name for a wizard. He could cast unfeasible boring spells over the racing, he's already done quite a lot of that over the last few years.

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#2602 bradbury west

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 09:42

[i]Originally posted by RTH

Today "Harry Potter - and the deathly hallows " has a retail cover price of £17.99.

[/B]

But ASDA and Morrisons, to name but 2, are knocking it out for a fiver, and W H Smiths seem to be only a pound or two dearer, so your calculations may need revising

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#2603 Hieronymus

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 10:08

Pottie was selling at a local bookshop for R199 (about 14 GBP). Anyway...not my flavour, but I got a mint copy of HAWKEYE for R80 (5,6 GBP) at a used bookshop which I regard a far better deal!

#2604 COUGAR508

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 14:07

Originally posted by Hieronymus
Pottie was selling at a local bookshop for R199 (about 14 GBP). Anyway...not my flavour, but I got a mint copy of HAWKEYE for R80 (5,6 GBP) at a used bookshop which I regard a far better deal!



The new Harry Potter is selling at £4.99 at my local supermarket. I'd rather spend £29.99 on some obscure book about motorsport history.

#2605 petefenelon

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 18:09

Originally posted by COUGAR508



The new Harry Potter is selling at £4.99 at my local supermarket. I'd rather spend £29.99 on some obscure book about motorsport history.


Absolutely! (Sadly though the days of being able to get anything truly obscure for a mere 30 quid seem to be passing us by - although I am very much looking forward to the Peter Bryant biography....)

#2606 sterling49

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 21:15

Originally posted by petefenelon


...........I am very much looking forward to the Peter Bryant biography....)


Is that Peter Bryant who had a career in the right hand seat on MN road rallies? That would be a great book indeed!

#2607 petefenelon

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 21:24

Originally posted by sterling49


Is that Peter Bryant who had a career in the right hand seat on MN road rallies? That would be a great book indeed!


No, the Peter Bryant who designed the Autocoast Can-Am

#2608 RA Historian

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 02:41

Originally posted by petefenelon


No, the Peter Bryant who designed the Autocoast Can-Am

And IT will be a great book indeed!

I have been in contact with Peter and have seen some of the early drafts, and it will be good. Peter mixes the on track action with the behind the scenes intrigue, with a good helping of anecdotes, stories, tales tall and short, and the like. What I have seen so far promises that it will be a very entertaining read.
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#2609 terry mcgrath

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 14:54

good morning,
does anyone have a email address for Adriano Cimarosti author of several great books, he may even be on this forum?
regards terry

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 16:48

Please PM or email me for his contact details.


#2611 ensign14

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 08:34

Originally posted by petefenelon


Absolutely! (Sadly though the days of being able to get anything truly obscure for a mere 30 quid seem to be passing us by - although I am very much looking forward to the Peter Bryant biography....)

Not obscure, but I got a 1979 Autocourse the other weekend in absolutely perfect condition for £30. (Plus a 1966 one with faded dustwrapper and slightly loose binding but otherwise fine for £75...)

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 16:45

Originally posted by ensign14

(Plus a 1966 one with faded dustwrapper and slightly loose binding but otherwise fine for £75...)


Excellent. last one of those i saw on flea-bay went for over £200

and as for this

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...73476&rd=1&rd=1


:eek:

#2613 petefenelon

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 20:29

Originally posted by ensign14

Not obscure, but I got a 1979 Autocourse the other weekend in absolutely perfect condition for £30. (Plus a 1966 one with faded dustwrapper and slightly loose binding but otherwise fine for £75...)



I won't mention the time my beloved found a copy of Mark Kahn's Tony Lanfranchi biography Down The Hatch for 30........ pence. At Donington, of all places, during the lunch break at a meeting there a couple of years ago. I was a bit peeved as I'd paid 30 quid a couple of years before!

#2614 COUGAR508

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 20:04

I'd love to find a copy of the Lanfranchi book. I remember leafing through it on many occasions in my local library many years ago. It looked like a great read.

#2615 Dave Wright

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 20:27

A copy recently went for £34 on ebay and its about £70 at Abebooks.

#2616 Pils1989

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 20:37

I bought my first audiobook for my road-trip to Rhode Island tomorrow. It's about Dynasties (Vanderbilt, Rotschild, Astor, Gucci, etc.) and 13 hrs long.

Is there something interesting about motor sport history in this format yet?

#2617 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 06:50

:wave: Paul Parkers latest is to be published in August this year : Sports Car Racing in Camera , 1960-69.

#2618 ensign14

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 08:46

Originally posted by petefenelon



I won't mention the time my beloved found a copy of Mark Kahn's Tony Lanfranchi biography Down The Hatch for 30........ pence. At Donington, of all places, during the lunch break at a meeting there a couple of years ago. I was a bit peeved as I'd paid 30 quid a couple of years before!

A fiver for me at Motorbooks in London about 10 years ago.

#2619 petefenelon

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 11:38

Originally posted by Pils1989
I bought my first audiobook for my road-trip to Rhode Island tomorrow. It's about Dynasties (Vanderbilt, Rotschild, Astor, Gucci, etc.) and 13 hrs long.

Is there something interesting about motor sport history in this format yet?


Smokey Yunick's autobiography, read by John de Lorean!

(Not, I would suggest, something for listening to in the car if your maiden aunt is travelling with you, if it retains the colourful language and exotic subject matter of the printed version). You might also laugh yourself off the road.

Of course, Peter Ustinov's penetrating documentary on the Grand Prix of Gibraltar is also available.

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 11:45

Originally posted by ensign14

A fiver for me at Motorbooks in London about 10 years ago.


Mine was £13 at Stoneleigh 2 years ago. Anyone know where I can get the Gerry Marshall book cheaply?

#2621 petefenelon

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 13:10

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Mine was £13 at Stoneleigh 2 years ago. Anyone know where I can get the Gerry Marshall book cheaply?


There was a recent paperback reprint - I've still seen this on the shelves of some regular bookshops. (If you mean Only Here for the Beer - I haven't seen Competition Driving in the wild for ages - my copies of both came from Ebay or Abebooks, can't remember!

#2622 dretceterini

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 16:07

By any chance does anyone have an extra copy of Mille Miglia: Una Corsa Italaina by Orsini that they are willing to sell at a reasonable price? Contact me at dretceterini@hotmail.com

Tony Adriaensen's new book Weekend Heros is coming out in a few weeks. Here is a link: http://www.corsarese...kendheroes.html

#2623 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 21:04

Very impressed with the new book on the 1982 Grand Prix season and I am only on chapter one! Each chapter covers one of the 16 rounds of that highly dramatic season. Over recent years Christopher Hilton's books seem to have got better and better and here the rather breathless journalistic style and the over emphasis of statistics of some earlier books has been replaced by a story well told. Th photographic contributions from fans who were there is a nice touch. Recommended.

#2624 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 22:17

My dealings with Christopher Hilton while he was working on the Nuvolari book certainly gave me an opportunity to see that he can do top notch work -- even after I was the cause of his having to completely re-write a chapter.... He was alway very gracious in our discussions and definitley well-informed. I was man enough to tell him that I had to completely revise my opinion of him. Haven't read the 1982 book as of yet, but have it on the shelf in the queue somewhere.....

#2625 RS2000

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 23:15

Originally posted by sterling49

Is that Peter Bryant who had a career in the right hand seat on MN road rallies? That would be a great book indeed!



Left hand seat on MN road rallies. Champion with Harold Morley (who is still rallying in his current Barbados abode).
Right hand seat on stage rallies with (LHD) Vatanen until replaced somewhat suddenly - which indirectly elevated Dave Richards towards where he is now.

Mick Briant was of right hand seat MN fame. His regular left hand seat occupant is no longer with us so I could recount some dubious actions of his when I was a Clerk of the Course...but I'd better not.

A new road rally book on the lines of Eddie Green's "Nineteen to the Dozen" or Dave Orrick's "Night Moves" would indeed be welcome - but the whole truth being recorded would probably not help continuation of the sport today...

#2626 Allan Lupton

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Posted 27 July 2007 - 07:22

Originally posted by RS2000

Mick Briant was of right hand seat MN fame. His regular left hand seat occupant is no longer with us so I could recount some dubious actions of his when I was a Clerk of the Course...but I'd better not.


If you mean Dave Kirkham, he is alive and well and still navigating in Classic and Vintage rallies. Won last Saturday with me! :)
I think it's Mick that is no longer with us.

#2627 RS2000

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Posted 27 July 2007 - 16:34

John McKerell, who is no longer with us.

#2628 sterling49

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Posted 27 July 2007 - 17:43

Originally posted by RS2000
John McKerell, who is no longer with us.



Sad to hear that John is navigating on a higher plane, he won our LCAMC event a couple of times with Mick Briant in RNM 133M,the famous Monza Blue RS2000. Great memories also of David Kirkham when navigating for John Barter on the '71 Witsend Rally across Romney Marshes.This was when the event was a Ford Escort Mexico/Sport round and Barter was driving a (Red?) 1300 Sport very rapidly......this was the year when Brookes /Brown, Pond/Cobb were in Mexicos too, great times, nothing like the smell of very hot DS11's and lots of equal cars trying to pull minutes at controls.......Yes, I got mixed up, Harold Morley/Peter Bryant, that slips of the tongue much easier, he had some nice Escorts and a great 911 :up:

Halcyon days, great memories, times never to be repeated sadly.I will have to look those books up.


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 17:57

Originally posted by RS2000



Mick Briant was of right hand seat MN fame. His regular left hand seat occupant is no longer with us so I could recount some dubious actions of his when I was a Clerk of the Course...but I'd better not.


He caused a bit of a stir on our events also, he was a tough competitor. John Brown was another tough competitor, my last encounter with him was on an early '90's Targa Rusticana, and was quite fractious, he, demanding a minute that had already gone.........:eek: but he had the minute that was shown on the watch........ :smoking:

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Posted 27 July 2007 - 22:30

Barter - that's the name I've been trying to recall all day as linked with Dave Kirkham (red Mk1 Cortina GT?).

Harold Morley is today referred to as "the Doc" in Barbados (he was a dentist!) (a Bajan passed comment to me last year when the name came up: "Morley has more dollars than God!").

There's a story that Tony Fall offered Russell Brookes the DOT drive but refused to have John Brown in any car of his. Brookes chose to keep Brown as co-driver and stay with Ford. Tony Pond then got the DOT drive and the break, when Ford (allegedly) had been playing some politically very incorrect games with him about his co-driver Frances Cobb after his one-off works Escort drive on the Scottish. Richards' name then surfaces there too.

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 10:35

Originally posted by RS2000
Barter - that's the name I've been trying to recall all day as linked with Dave Kirkham (red Mk1 Cortina GT?).


I think he did, entered by Opposite Lock E11 or Motorcycle City IIRC????? Great days, on internationals, you could be drinking tea with the stars of the day :up:

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 14:10

David Coulthard's done an autobiography, with the spectacularly original title "The Autobiography". According to the Grand Prix Legends advert for it in Autosport it is "one of the most honest and powerful sports autobiographies in recent years".

#2633 COUGAR508

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 14:58

Originally posted by Paul Jeffrey
Very impressed with the new book on the 1982 Grand Prix season and I am only on chapter one! Each chapter covers one of the 16 rounds of that highly dramatic season. Over recent years Christopher Hilton's books seem to have got better and better and here the rather breathless journalistic style and the over emphasis of statistics of some earlier books has been replaced by a story well told. Th photographic contributions from fans who were there is a nice touch. Recommended.


Yes, I saw this book in a store earlier today. I was tempted, but ultimately put off by the £35.00 price tag. I'm sure some online outlets will have it at a lower price.

It is becoming a bit of a cliche, but Hilton's historical works are far more worthwhile than his efforts on more contemporary subjects.

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 21:23

Here's my current "to buy" list for forthcoming books. Any suggestions for other books for a tifoso/Porschephile?


Brothers Rodriquez
Spyders & Silhouettes
Weekend Heroes
Ferrari Grand Prix Moments
Inside Track (or whatever the Hill/DCN book is to be titled)
Ferrari 60 Years: The Great Moments (does anyone have any details on this one?)


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Posted 29 July 2007 - 20:19

BRM 3

and 1&2 if you havent got those ;)

#2636 NRoshier

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 23:52

Is Anthony Pritchard still writing? I have enjoyed his work so far, though I cannot source his Alfa book.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 00:01

Originally posted by NRoshier
Is Anthony Pritchard still writing?

Yes, he's a fairly regular contributor to The Automobile magazine.

Originally posted by NRoshier
I have enjoyed his work so far, though I cannot source his Alfa book.

If you're referring to the Haynes/Foulis "Alfa Romeo - a Racing History", that's by David Venables, who also wrote the Bugatti volume in the same series. Pritchard wrote only the Maserati volume.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 00:07

No my error...I was thinking of his 'Scarlet Passion' book about the Ferrari sports racers.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 00:22

Originally posted by NRoshier
No my error...I was thinking of his 'Scarlet Passion' book about the Ferrari sports racers.

Still in print AFAIK, published by Haynes. Have you tried Pitstop in Perth?

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 01:22

yes, they were $40 dearer than one I missed on ebay...will keep an eye out.
I really enjoyed his 'Lotus, the competition cars' as it was a pleasing departure from the 'Chapman was a genius' style book.

#2641 petefenelon

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 12:46

Originally posted by Vitesse2

Yes, he's a fairly regular contributor to The Automobile magazine.

If you're referring to the Haynes/Foulis "Alfa Romeo - a Racing History", that's by David Venables, who also wrote the Bugatti volume in the same series. Pritchard wrote only the Maserati volume.


Pritchard's Maserati in that series book is very good - very level-headed and talks about the cockups and the long goodbye as well as the triumphs.

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 12:55

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Here's my current "to buy" list for forthcoming books. Any suggestions for other books for a tifoso/Porschephile?

Brothers Rodriquez
Spyders & Silhouettes
Weekend Heroes
Ferrari Grand Prix Moments
Inside Track (or whatever the Hill/DCN book is to be titled)
Ferrari 60 Years: The Great Moments (does anyone have any details on this one?)

Jack

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Don't know if I'm allowed to do this here - but could I mention "Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer - The Road & Race Legends" by Nathan Beehl. Has lots of racing coverage with history of each individual BB/LM chassis, 250 photos etc. Just published.
Nathan

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 19:25

Originally posted by NRoshier
Is Anthony Pritchard still writing? I have enjoyed his work so far, though I cannot source his Alfa book.



Pritchard also wrote an excellent little book called "Grand Prix Racing - the Enthusiasts Companion". It covers GP racing from the beginning, with reproduction of some excellent historical magazine articles. It's much better than your average "Complete Formula One Encyclopedia" formulaic effort. I picked this book up for around a fiver in a WH Smiths sale many years ago.

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 06:12

Thanks I'll keep my eyes open for it. I was lucky enough to pick up his Lotus book for 1/2 price at a similar sale.

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 19:11

Originally posted by NRoshier
Thanks I'll keep my eyes open for it. I was lucky enough to pick up his Lotus book for 1/2 price at a similar sale.



I have not seen a copy of "Grand Prix Racing - The Enthusiasts Companion" in any shop since I bought mine!

#2646 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 08:01

FIM 1904-2004 100 years of motorcycling £60 . Is it worth it ?

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 20:41

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
FIM 1904-2004 100 years of motorcycling £60 . Is it worth it ?


It;s a big disappointment. The book is not worth more than 10 GBP. I just noticed that my review at amazon.co.uk has been reviewed, it can not have helped sales.
In short: it's a book about bureaucrats, not about racers, about FIM or national organizations, not about racing events.
All photos - and there are not many - of are very mediocre quality, and few show the sport itself.

I wonder what Mr. Schertenleib's standards are as to the print quality of photos

Hope this helps.
You can buy my copy for GBP10, but postage will be high because it's a heavy book

Regards,
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Posted 01 August 2007 - 20:42

Originally posted by dewittereus


I just noticed that my review at amazon.co.uk has been reviewed (meant to say: REMOVED), it can not have helped sales.


Dick
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Posted 01 August 2007 - 21:56

Originally posted by RS2000

Mick Briant was of right hand seat MN fame. His regular left hand seat occupant is no longer with us so I could recount some dubious actions of his when I was a Clerk of the Course...but I'd better not.

A new road rally book on the lines of Eddie Green's "Nineteen to the Dozen" or Dave Orrick's "Night Moves" would indeed be welcome - but the whole truth being recorded would probably not help continuation of the sport today...


I've just been informed Mick Briant is in fact writng a book about the MN Championship!

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 22:24

Originally posted by RS2000


I've just been informed Mick Briant is in fact writng a book about the MN Championship!


Can't wait, I will pre order that one, that Olympic Blue RS took some catching in the lanes!

Didn't McKerrel run 7K Maps?


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