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#2751 EcosseF1

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 22:17

I was reading the Brock Yates piece on Enzo Ferrari in C&SC and got to wondering if the 1988 biography he wrote on Ferrari is worth getting?

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#2752 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 00:00

Originally posted by EcosseF1
I was reading the Brock Yates piece on Enzo Ferrari in C&SC and got to wondering if the 1988 biography he wrote on Ferrari is worth getting?


No.

#2753 RA Historian

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 00:27

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


No.

Now THAT'S to the point and Don tells you everything you need to know. :up:

#2754 TooTall

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 05:02

A couple of large boxes hit my doorstep over this last week and I thought I would give some first impressions. First off is "Weekend Heroes" by Tony Adriaensens. It's massive and brilliant. My wife's late father ran many of the races shown in the book and I always enjoyed his stories of the people and places. My only complaints are that the slipcase is very thin plain gray cardboard and one of the tucked in ends of the shipping box had come loose and the book was sliding around inside the box but no damage was done. The photo reproduction is really first rate and the captions turn each photo into a story of it's own.

Next came "Winged Sports Cars and Enduring Innovation" from Janos Wimpffen. Again, a brilliant book. Lots of photos you would expect to see of Ferraris, Porsches and Ford GTs, but it's the photos of the oddball stuff that really sets it apart like the Deserter dune buggy that practiced but did not race at Daytona in 1970.

In the same box as the Wimpffen book was Peter Bryant's "Can-Am Challenger". Others have already commented on how good a read it is and, although I've only scanned it, it does look good. I do have one, large complaint. It looks for all the world as if it is printed on cheap notebook paper. The flimsy pages give it a cheap feel and the photo reproduction seems to suffer. Even the color section is printed on rather thin glossy stock and the color reproduction seems poor, in some places muted and others over saturated. I really can't believe a publisher would go to all the trouble of producing such a large format, hardbound book and go cheap on the paper.

Now I have to find space on the shelves...

Cheers,
Kurt O.

#2755 EcosseF1

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 12:50

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


No.


Cheers Don! :up:

#2756 petefenelon

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 19:44

Originally posted by RA Historian
Now THAT'S to the point and Don tells you everything you need to know. :up:


Richard Williams' Ferrari biography is far more interesting.

#2757 EcosseF1

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 21:18

Thanks, I'll check into that. My "library" is a bit light on Maranello content.

#2758 Graham Gauld

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 06:59

Reference Ferrari, depends on whether you want, a good story or a pretty accurate one. If you want the latter,
then the Brock Yates one is far more accurate than most people will admit.

Also reference Dan Gurney, I think it might be worth waiting for Dan Gurney's own book which is due out fairly soon.

#2759 Mark A

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 10:54

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Also reference Dan Gurney, I think it might be worth waiting for Dan Gurney's own book which is due out fairly soon.


Thanks for the info Graham. Based on that and previous comments I've just cancelled my copy from Amazon.

Off to order the new Wimpffen book instead.

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 11:35

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Reference Ferrari, depends on whether you want, a good story or a pretty accurate one. If you want the latter,
then the Brock Yates one is far more accurate than most people will admit.

Also reference Dan Gurney, I think it might be worth waiting for Dan Gurney's own book which is due out fairly soon.


Graham,

Do you know more about the content ? is it more oriented on Gurney the man, or there will be never published drawings, blueprints ect...

thks

Michel

#2761 Graham Gauld

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 13:49

Michel,

He told me in an e-mail about six months ago that he was writing his own book - just as Jackie Stewart has done - but I have no idea how much technical detail he will put into it. I heard yesterday that the book will be published very soon. Sorry I have no more information.

#2762 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 17:01

Originally posted by Graham Gauld
Reference Ferrari, depends on whether you want, a good story or a pretty accurate one. If you want the latter, then the Brock Yates one is far more accurate than most people will admit.


As much as I actually like Brock, having met him a number of times now, his Ferrari book just did/does not 'resonate' with me for several reasons, one being that stylistically is just seemed to miss the mark with me -- something that it shares with nearly every one of his recent efforts. A fairly recent re-reading of this book did not change my opinion. However, Graham makes a good point that buried within the book is what seems to be an accurate a portrait of Ferrari by those who encountered and dealt with him. I only saw Ferrari a few times, only once having a talk with him -- in 1959. He was absolutely a great gentleman when he took the time to speak with me. It was not a long or inquisitive talk, I was only 12 years old, but he was just a very nice man. He certainly knew how to win me over to his side. I think he liked me because I was unintentionally blunt in stating my heartfelt love for Maserati, but that I liked Ferrari as well because it did have Phil Hill and now Dan Gurney on the team and if Maserati couldn't win then I wanted Ferrari to win. Needless to say, this got a great laugh from him. Plus, it did hurt that my Italian was good enough at the time to even have that concersation, OMF easily guessing I was an American. But, I digress....

I am not certain that there really is a "good" biography out there of Enzo Ferrari. Some come close -- very close, of course, but none that quite hit the mark. Perhaps it is the subject himself. Or, it could be that opinons are still so widely split over him that it will be a while longer before such a book appears.

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 17:05

A book that I don't think has been mentioned before on the Forum which should be of interest is Kurt Bilinski's self published "Kimini" or How to Design and Build a Mid-Engine Sports Car--from Scratch". It is in a similar vein but more complete than Champion's "Build Your Own Sports Car" or the Herbert and Harvey "750 Racer" books.

Basically, Bilinski had access to a composite Mini shell so he designed and built a tube frame, rear engine (Honda VTEC) sports car. It is street licensed and also serves as a fairly serious track day car. I've seen it (Bilinski lives in San Diego) and it is WILD.

Definitely worth having on your bookshelf and reading (it is over 300 pages with many photos). It is soft bound but the quality is every bit as good as HP books or Motorbooks International (that publishes some of Carroll Smith's works).

You can get a copy from Kurt at www.kimini.com (and learn what the name of the car means).

#2764 Frank S

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Posted 09 September 2007 - 20:58

Originally posted by Sisyphus

Basically, Bilinski had access to a composite Mini shell so he designed and built a tube frame, rear engine (Honda VTEC) sports car. It is street licensed and also serves as a fairly serious track day car. I've seen it (Bilinski lives in San Diego) and it is WILD.

...

You can get a copy from Kurt at www.kimini.com (and learn what the name of the car means).


He brought it to a "show" at Carlsbad: Cars, Coffee, on July 28, 2007:

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 21:44

Paul Parker's 'Sports Car Racing in Camera 1960 - 1969' hit the doormat today. Solely on the basis of a quick flick through, it looks superb. Some photographs look familiar, but they are all ones that bear repetition, particularly with Paul's excellent and informative captions. Not only are the well known events and competitors covered, so too are some of the more esoteric marques that enlivened this class of racing during this period. He has evidently searched diligently for good quality colour pictures that bring the subject to life. An excellent, and very reasonably priced, complement to Janos Wimpffen's magnum opus covering roughly the same era. Highly reccomended.

#2766 Dave Wright

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Posted 13 September 2007 - 23:59

Originally posted by jph
Paul Parker's 'Sports Car Racing in Camera 1960 - 1969' hit the doormat today. Solely on the basis of a quick flick through, it looks superb. Some photographs look familiar, but they are all ones that bear repetition, particularly with Paul's excellent and informative captions. Not only are the well known events and competitors covered, so too are some of the more esoteric marques that enlivened this class of racing during this period. He has evidently searched diligently for good quality colour pictures that bring the subject to life. An excellent, and very reasonably priced, complement to Janos Wimpffen's magnum opus covering roughly the same era. Highly reccomended.


There's a Ferrari GTO on the cover - are GT cars covered as well as sports prototypes and if so are they given equal weighting or is the focus on prototypes?

#2767 petefenelon

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 12:08

This looks interesting:

Art Evans: Racing Sports Cars - Memories of the Fifties - seems to have loads of photos and interviews, anyone seen it yet?

#2768 Paul Parker

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 16:02

To Dave Wright and jph.

Thank you for your interest/compliments re: latest book. In fact the front cover depicts Norman Graham Hill at the 1964 Goodwood TT in a Ferrari 330P.


The GTO pic from the Targa Florio was used for pre-publication marketing on some websites.

#2769 jph

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 18:41

In answer to Dave Wright's question: GTs as well as prototypes and a good mix of both, even a few saloons in events such Sebring and Targa Florio (the Twinni!).

#2770 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 20:52

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Has anyone received Brothers Rodriguez in English? If so, please post your impressions.

Thanks!

Jack


I just checked Amazon (again) and the message has changed from "available Sept 1" to "currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

Does anyone have information on availability of the English version in the U.S.?

Thanks.

Jack

#2771 Magee

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 21:13

Racing Sports Cars – Memories of the Fifties by Art Evans, and co-authors Bill Colson and Herb Jones – Photo Data Research, Redondo Beach, California, 2007 – ISBN 0-9705073-9-9, 272 pp –$39.95 (8 1/2 by 11 inch soft-cover book.

Art Evans's previous series of five books of sports car racing back in the 50s has now expanded to six. Two of them focussed on drivers, John Fitch and Ken Miles and one of each Torrey Pines, Pebble Beach, and Paramount Ranch tracks.

Racing Sports Cars presents the memory of drivers and their sports cars.

There are race cars numbering about 50 from Abarth to Veritas and over 50 drivers including such well known as Carroll Shelby, Sir Jack Brabham, John Fitch, Phil Hill, Sir Sterling Moss and Jim Hall, for a few. These drivers have been supportive of Evan's work and give their assistance and time with recollections of their race cars about 50 years ago. Shelby, for example, tells of his favourite race car, the 450S Maserati and his serious accident at Riverside. He explains that he had a very beneficial coincidence that helped to reduce his severe injuries. This is left for your discovery. Other drivers provide revelations of their experience racing at tracks, not only California ones, but around the world.

Bill Colson and Herb Jones are credited by Evans as co-authors of this book. Colson is an English historian principally interested in 50s sports racing cars and acknowledged as the world authority on the technicalities and histories of Lotus Fifteens. Jones raced in California in the 50s and then went to Europe in 1955 eventually ending up racing in Europe and living in Spain. The three have researched, and from their life recalled very interesting cars, builders, events and stories.

The book is a personalized history of sports car racing supported also by many veteran drivers who provide personal history of those days gone by. Carroll Shelby remarked, "The fifties had some of the most exciting sports car racing ever." Art Evans has captured that excitement, acknowledging too there was a cost in deaths, injuries, and collisions during those early years when safety was slow to appear..

Copies can be ordered at the following distributors:
orders@iconografixinc.com
www.iconografixinc.com
www.menoshire.com in the UK

Autographed copies are available from Art Evans, Photo Data Research, 800 S. Pacific Coast Hwy, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 or agevans@yahoo.com

Review by Michael Gee

#2772 David McKinney

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 22:13

Originally posted by Magee
Art Evans's previous series of five books of sports car racing back in the 50s has now expanded to six. Two of them focussed on drivers, John Fitch and Ken Miles and one of each Torrey Pines, Pebble Beach, and Paramount Ranch tracks.

...or seven including the one on '50s racing in southern California?

#2773 Magee

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 22:36

David,

Is that book still available?

If so, I'll add that to the review. Thanks.

#2774 David McKinney

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 06:09

Sorry, I don't know about it availability
It's called Fabulous Fifties and was published in 2002. I bought my copy in the UK

#2775 green-blood

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 12:01

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad


I just checked Amazon (again) and the message has changed from "available Sept 1" to "currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."

Does anyone have information on availability of the English version in the U.S.?

Thanks.

Jack


worth keeping an eye on the haynes site (publisher) they are saying October publication date, keeping tabs on this myself

http://www.haynes.co...43301&langId=-1

#2776 Andrew Stevens

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 15:10

Please note that Menoshire listed as a possible source for 'Racing Sports Cars - Memories of the Fifties" is a wholesaler only - they won't deal direct with you members of the public, you have to be in the book trade! Why not support your specialist bookshop and get a copy.

BTW - has Motorbooks got their new shop up and running yet? I visited them after Goodwood on the way back home here to Australia and they had a lot of work to do...shifting a bookshop is never fun as I can attest to...

#2777 David Birchall

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Posted 16 September 2007 - 22:23

I just noticed that the asking price for Trevor Legate's book "40 Years of the Cobra" is half the price on amazon.com vs. amazon.uk and the price of used copies is waaay cheaper.

Any comments on this book?

#2778 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 17:27

Got my Toulo book today , lots of b/w pictures , lots of Maserati pictures , after all he did about 140 of his 150 races in them. Many personal pics , and all results ,text in F/GB. Very good book covering his racing etc. from 1936 to 1956 plus a bit on his doing after!

My second book today was on Sports Car Racing in camera. Paul Parker has done it again , selected a great number of very good pictures , all colour , and IMO he really has a nose for showing the buyer all kind of pics , not just press or solo track pictures. He captures the atmosphere as well . Superb book worht every penny !

#2779 Rob Ryder

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 18:06

Has anyone bought 'Memories of the Bear: A Biography of Denny Hulme' by Eoin Young and can give your thoughts?

I was really disappointed (and critical of) 'Forza Amon!' and don't want to waste more money on Young if this is the same standard of cut & paste rubbish :(

Rob

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#2780 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 09:21

Will someone please give me comments on :

Red Hot Rivals:Ferrari versus Maserati
&
Les PRECURSEURS DE LA FORMULE 1 1895-1949 by Moity

#2781 jph

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 12:12

Has anyone bought 'Memories of the Bear: A Biography of Denny Hulme' by Eoin Young and can give your thoughts?

I was really disappointed (and critical of) 'Forza Amon!' and don't want to waste more money on Young if this is the same standard of cut & paste rubbish



I've got as far as 1967. Lots of copy & paste, a lot less colour and background than I would have hoped and given how well the author knew Hulme, disappointingly few anecdotes. Through the early chapters I was hoping that the book would 'warm up' but it hasn't so far.

#2782 Rob Ryder

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 18:39

Originally posted by jph
I've got as far as 1967. Lots of copy & paste, a lot less colour and background than I would have hoped and given how well the author knew Hulme, disappointingly few anecdotes. Through the early chapters I was hoping that the book would 'warm up' but it hasn't so far.


Thanks.. sounds like another 'Forza Amon!' style Young rip-off :evil: ... I'll save my money.
He must need another bottle of champers for Christmas :rolleyes:

Rob

#2783 petefenelon

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Posted 18 September 2007 - 19:58

Originally posted by Rob Ryder


Thanks.. sounds like another 'Forza Amon!' style Young rip-off :evil: ... I'll save my money.
He must need another bottle of champers for Christmas :rolleyes:

Rob


"Forza Amon" wasn't that bad, though I'm sure at one point CAA was getting divorced from someone we hadn't been told he'd married... I think Young knocked the Amon book off very quickly - Roebuck probably would've made a much better job of it!

#2784 andyb1963

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 18:11

Hui Anyone out there read Roger and Out ,biog of Roger Marshall ? If so is it worth investing :up: :down: ?

#2785 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 18:22

Originally posted by petefenelon
"Forza Amon" wasn't that bad....


However, neither was it that good. Indeed, it was a great disappointment since it means it could be awhile before we get a truly decent book on Chris Amon, who certainly deserves one.

#2786 petefenelon

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 19:10

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


However, neither was it that good. Indeed, it was a great disappointment since it means it could be awhile before we get a truly decent book on Chris Amon, who certainly deserves one.


True enough. When bad or indifferent but cheap books come out they effectively close off the market for better ones. J**n T****r, C********r H****n, A**n H***y and J**n S*****y come to mind in particular as authors of books that although between poor and adequate have effectively closed off sectors of the market.

#2787 dretceterini

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 21:58

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Will someone please give me comments on :

Les PRECURSEURS DE LA FORMULE 1 1895-1949 by Moity



Worth the money. Came out in 2002, and has now been reissued at 35 Euros. Editions-Palmier has it:

http://www.editions-...-1-histoire.htm

#2788 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 07:26

I will echo what jph and Bjorn have already said about Paul Parker's latest offering, "Sports Car Racing in Camera". Arrived today via Amazon at £19.50 and it is fabulous - a decade of wonderful sports racing and GT cars and venues, and a fantastic selection of photos accompanied by Paul's very detailed and incisive commentary.

I particularly like the Targa Florio examples, especially the shot of the supremely ugly Abate/Davis Maserati T64, and while we are all familiar with shots of Jacky Ickx walking to his car at Le Mans in 1969, I had never noticed before that two men in sports jackets and slacks were mingling with the drivers as they sprinted to their cars!

Highly recommended by this reader.

#2789 jph

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 15:34

Interesting to see that Amazon UK are listing one copy of BRM volume 3 through a third pary vendor. Something of a premium on the advertised cover price, though.

Does this imply that its availability on general sale might be imminent?

#2790 dretceterini

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 23:25

Anyone familiar with this book?

La mitica targa florio di scafidi.

#2791 M Needforspeed

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 17:53

Originally posted by jph
Interesting to see that Amazon UK are listing one copy of BRM volume 3 through a third pary vendor. Something of a premium on the advertised cover price, though.

Does this imply that its availability on general sale might be imminent?


not at all ! they did the same more than one year ago .those are pre -ordered books .We must wait the DCN starting flag :yawn:

#2792 paulhooft

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 19:15

quote:
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Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
Will someone please give me comments on :

Les PRECURSEURS DE LA FORMULE 1 1895-1949 by Moity
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Worth the money. Came out in 2002, and has now been reissued at 35 Euros. Editions-Palmier has it:

http://www.editions-...-1-histoire.htm

__________________
Truth lies in the middle of what appears to be a paradox


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The book is part of a seven volume series, all in french,
about Grand Prix racing 1950 - 1999
priced at 55 euro each volume they are now down to 15 to 20 euros at book shops in france called Livres Moins Cheres (Cheap Books) and some others..
This book is the volume about BEFORE 1950! (volume SIX)
and there is an other one about drivers in the series, (Volume SEVEN)
the First five are about racing in the 1950 - 1999 period
I have the whole series,
It is a great series, pity it is only in French
I like the volumes ONE (1950 -1956) and TWO (1956 - 1965), by Jabby Crombac most of all!!
PcH

#2793 Doug Nye

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 20:35

BRM V3 is with the publisher and should be going to press shortly - as previously posted.

:stoned:

#2794 FLB

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 23:19

Originally posted by Doug Nye
BRM V3 is with the publisher and should be going to press shortly - as previously posted.

:stoned:

At last, Magnum opus, Tertius volubilis! :D :clap:

#2795 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 10:50

Has anybody tried to buy from Giorgio Nada lately?
I have tried to order books through their webshop last week, which did not work and then emailed them three times to ask about orders, but got no replies.

#2796 PRD

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 17:42

Originally posted by Doug Nye
BRM V3 is with the publisher and should be going to press shortly - as previously posted.

:stoned:


Just in time for Christmas :D

#2797 Mark A

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 21:21

Coming next year. Should keep the conspiracy theorists going for a while.:rotfl:

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#2798 ReWind

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 21:42

He should pay attention to use another title for the German edition.

If "Red Mist" was German it would mean "Talk rubbish!"

#2799 dretceterini

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 00:11

Originally posted by Ralf Pickel
Has anybody tried to buy from Giorgio Nada lately?
I have tried to order books through their webshop last week, which did not work and then emailed them three times to ask about orders, but got no replies.


Are you speaking of Nada, or their retail shop, Libreria 'dell Automobile? I've always had problems trying to order directly from Nada...

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#2800 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 05:40

I have tried to order from here http://www.giorgiona...index.asp?cat=1.