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#2901 ensign14

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 11:57

Originally posted by kayemod


That's him! Yes, he was good in the wet, I never had a lot to do with the racing side, only boring old road cars, but wasn't there talk of a timing error?

That might be another Japanese fastest lap...Hasemi at Fuji 76, there was some talk that Lafitte did a faster lap. Not heard of a Nakajima timing error.

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#2902 Allen Brown

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 13:14

Originally posted by mx906
Hi,

I'm not sure how you all feel about self-promotion in this forum but here goes.

Jerry Pantis

Hmm. Four posts on TNF and all of them to promote your book. Even guests on a talk show make a pretence that they are there for a chat before getting on to the plug.

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 13:30

Dear Allen,

I figured that was coming. I'm a one-man show trying to make contact with people that might be interested in the book. I've worked on little else other than this project for the last few years and didn't have the time to participate in these types of forums. Hopefully that will change now.

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#2904 petefenelon

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 19:27

Just back from Laguna Seca where the ALMS was great and the circuit everything I hoped it'd be.

Evening reading was provided by a signed copy (a bonus - didn't notice it was signed until I got it back to our hotel!) of Peter Bryant's Can-Am Challenger. Slightly misnamed as PEB doesn't even get into Can-Am until halfway through the book, but a very fine addition to the David Bull series of biographies. Proofing's dodgy, and photo repro is not brilliant, but by 'eck this is a book full of stories (some of them very funny indeed). Very conversational, very anecdotal, with a lot of engineering insight particualrly into the Ti22 and the later Shadows. It does seem that Peter was screwed over by backers on several occasions, and the most fascinating and surprising part of the book was reading his reaction to Don Nichols going off to do F1 with Tony Southgate...

Very readable, as PEB himself says if you want all the race results go and read Pete Lyons; this is very much a subjective story of how he ended up in the USA and what happened when he got there, with some excellent character studies of people he encountered along the way.

Definitely on the must-read lists of anyone into late fifties/early sixties F1 and the USRRC and Can-Am.

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 14:57

Today i acquired a 3rd edition of Steve Small's Grand Prix Who's Who for a tenner. If anybody wants my well-thumbed but intact copy of the first edition they are welcome to it for the price of the postage - just PM me. I would think that the cost to post it outside the UK would be prohibitive.

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 20:18

A promo thing came through the post today from www.thebookpeople.co.uk
UK phone 0845 602 4040
They offer highly discounted books. In among lots of other stuff which did not appeal, they offer "The Chequered Flag" The complete History of Motor Racing, sic , from 1894 to date, written by Ivan Rendall. 432 pages in hardback for £8.99 instead of £30.
It claims to offer an extensive cross-referencing system for easy access and consistent presentation of tech stuff for comparative purposes. Do we know anything about it? It seems to claim quite a lot.


For those who appreciate the Summer Game, there is John Major's 448pages of More Than a Game, the story of cricket's early years , from inception to the start of the 20th century. I recall it being well reviewed as very well researched, and rich in anecdotes, not only about cricket but about those forces which have shaped the world today.
It is at £6.99 instead of £25. Just thought I would mention it as I suspect some TNFers enjoy cricket.

Usual disclaimers.
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#2907 petefenelon

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 22:29

The Rendall book is quite old, and an OK-ish one-volume history of racing aimed at the general marketplace rather than the specialist. There are some nice pics, and Rendall does some good demystification of racing in the 20s and early 30s. The focus is mostly on GP/F1 racing with some asides on US racing (Indy and NASCAR) and sports cars, particularly Le Mans. It's reasonably well-written, with a mix of descriptions of races, people, cars and politics, but fairly superficial. I recall having found the description of the '66 F1 season unusually poor, but the rest of it seemed OK.

I paid about a tenner for it, I think, not long after it came out in the mid-90s. It's not a book I refer back to much, but I think it's a bit over the 'potboiler' level. Not an essential purchase or primary reference by any stretch of the imagination but fairly pretty and generally reasonably well written. Quite a lot of book at nearly 400 well-illustrated pages, but not much to surprise the reader.

Edit: my copy seems to be about 380 pages, and stops in '93, I assume the 430+ page edition is updated?


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Posted 27 October 2007 - 22:37

I agree about the Rendall book being aimed more at a general audience, but it's a pretty entertaining read. It's not dumbed down like some similar books are, but on the other hand, I seem to recall that it's not always a reliable reference, although I suppose it has no more mistakes than similar general histories.

My copy is also the one that stops in 1993. If this is a new edition, that's not a bad price.

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 22:46

It must be uptodate as it has a photo of Lewis Hamilton's Mclaren on the dj :lol:

#2910 Allan Lupton

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 07:21

The cover is new and blurb says:

In July 1894, 21 horseless carriages chased each other from Paris to Rouen along the public road. Over a hundred years later, motor racing is a high-tech sport and a huge, global business. The Chequered Flag tells the story in full from the earliest days to Lewis Hamilton's record-breaking season. With over 500 photographs of the sport's top drivers, classic cars and great moments, this is the definitive guide.

This year-by-year account of motor racing takes you from the first road race, run in France in 1894, to the high-octane excitement of today's Formula I competition. Charting the technical development of the car and of the sport itself, the book contains an extensive cross-referencing system for easy access to information and there is also consistent presentation of technical information for comparative purposes.


It must be a different book, possibly with the howlers removed as well. Might be worth £8.99, and you could give it to a nephew as a Christmas present if it turns out not to be. :)

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 08:23

Originally posted by Allan Lupton
The cover is new and blurb says:

In July 1894, 21 horseless carriages chased each other from Paris to Rouen along the public road. Over a hundred years later, motor racing is a high-tech sport and a huge, global business. The Chequered Flag tells the story in full from the earliest days to Lewis Hamilton's record-breaking season. With over 500 photographs of the sport's top drivers, classic cars and great moments, this is the definitive guide.

This year-by-year account of motor racing takes you from the first road race, run in France in 1894, to the high-octane excitement of today's Formula I competition. Charting the technical development of the car and of the sport itself, the book contains an extensive cross-referencing system for easy access to information and there is also consistent presentation of technical information for comparative purposes.


It must be a different book, possibly with the howlers removed as well. Might be worth £8.99, and you could give it to a nephew as a Christmas present if it turns out not to be. :)

Must be several editions.Mine is dated 'revised 1995' and has 400 pages.Forget when & where I bought it but it still has sticker 'reduced to £9.99'

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 13:23

Found a mint copy of Karl Ludvigson's "Ferrari The Factory: Maranello's Secrets 1950-1975 for $5! An excellent book on the early (but not with much information on the earliest) Ferraris. Lot's of early (1950-1955) chassis photos!

#2913 PRD

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 19:20

Originally posted by David Beard


Great book, and perfectly put, Pete. It's that sort of post from you that had me reading (not all through, mind) the Smokey Yunick biog. I didn't share your taste on that one. It just made me glad he never met either of my daughters...there was only so much of his prose I could manage, especially without mention of either contraception or unwanted births. "All Arms and Elbows" has nothing on "The Best Damn Garage in Town".


I agree with both of you there. I got fed up with Smokey after about the first hundred pages or so (which is why I ebayed it David :wave: ). His early life was fascinating, but ironically he lost my interest when he was talking about driving all over the southern US racing and just became hard work.


I enjoyed All Arms and Elbows, but for my money the best book in that category and one of my all time favourites is Touch Wood! Allin should read it and see if he is more in sympathy with Duncan Hamilton (who isn't Lewis's grandfather by the way) than he is with Innes Ireland.

Paul Dishman

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 04:00

I agree with both of you there. I got fed up with Smokey after about the first hundred pages or so (which is why I ebayed it David :wave: ). His early life was fascinating, but ironically he lost my interest when he was talking about driving all over the southern US racing and just became hard work.

Paul Dishman [/B][/QUOTE]

Yep - have to confess Smokey's skills as a USAC racecar preparer overshadow his skills of critical evaluation of real life. His quoted blagging of Denny Hulme's abilities prior to the Indy 500 in 1967 look silly alongside the Bear's result of 4th place and Rookie of the Year, to go with his Monaco and Nurburgring wins in F1 that year and the WDC. On the matter of Americans I have HUGE respect for - does anyone have any tips of good books (and availability) on Dan and Mario. In New Zealand we tend to have a dearth of US racing titles as we have traditionally followed Britain and Europe in motorsport. Your comments would be appreciated.
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Posted 01 November 2007 - 16:38

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Muz Bee
I agree with both of you there

Paul Dishman
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On the matter of Americans I have HUGE respect for - does anyone have any tips of good books (and availability) on Dan and Mario. In New Zealand we tend to have a dearth of US racing titles as we have traditionally followed Britain and Europe in motorsport. Your comments would be appreciated.
:cool: [/B][/QUOTE] books on road racing in north america or indy racing ?. one first suggestion who come spontaneously to my mind not a book specifically on gurney or andretti but a good book on the road racing in north america "pro sports car racing in america by dave friedman " great book still on sale at amazon and many other good bookseller i guess :)

#2916 bradbury west

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 19:22

[i]Originally posted by philippe charuest . one first suggestion who come spontaneously to my mind not a book specifically on gurney or andretti but a good book on the road racing in north america "pro sports car racing in america by dave friedman " great book still on sale at amazon and many other good bookseller i guess :) [/B]

Excellent recommendation Philippe. Superb book for photos and content
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Posted 02 November 2007 - 09:44

From a Veloce Publishing e-mail:

"Well done also to Bjorn Kjer who is our second prize winner and receives a £25 Veloce voucher." :)

#2918 petefenelon

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 11:49

Hmmm. Books on American racing (with a road racing bias) ... a few starting points I guess..

Al Bochroch's "American Autombile Racing" is a nicely illustrated history, some good stuff on the early years and very broad in scope. good introduction.

Griff Borgeson's "Golden Age of the American Racing Car" is pretty much mandatory too, and can be obtained cheaply through the SAE. Might be a bit more oval-centric than you're looking for, as might Gordon Eliot White's wonderful "Offenhauser". Great works of scholarship though.

The first volume of Leo Levine's "Ford: The Dust And The Glory" is good. The second... feh.

Tim Considine's "American Grand Prix Racing" is a great overview of what happens when America tries to take on the rest of the world.

For more recent stuff, Dave Friedman's "Legends of Motorsport" is a gorgeous photographic book, beautifully produced and with a focus on the 60s/early 70s.

"American Racing - Road Racing In The 50s and 60s" has pithy text by Denise McCluggage and wonderful pics by Tom Burnside.

Anything Art Evans puts his name to seems to be very relevant to this - the only one of his books I have (so far) is "Racing Sports Cars" which is a superb compilation of 50s memories.

Pete Lyons and Peter Bryant have both written superb books on Can-Am, then there's also our own Michael Cox on Masten Gregory, Karl Ludvigsen on Gurney (both the recent illustrated book and the older Gurney's Eagles), Michael Argetsinger on Walt Hansgen, Gordon Kirby's books on Mario Andretti, the Unsers and Bobby Rahal, the autobiographies of Mark Donohue, Peter Revson and Sam Posey...

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 11:51

And of course for atmosphere, stories and the odd laugh - BS Levy's Buddy Palumbo novels. Any racing fan will love them.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 12:35

The Unfair Advantage, Mark Donoghue's biog is excellant...

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 12:42

And let's not forget "Chaparral" by Richard Falconer and Doug Nye. One of my favourite books.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 17:59

:clap: post 2913 : I had the correct answer , won the 2nd prize, and it was NOT about transporters :smoking:

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 19:09

Excellent purchase on english amazon!
I placed my order for Spyders & Silhouettes by Janos Wimpffen on october 31 and received my book today in Italy

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 23:01

A wonderful new book that I couldn't resist, was recently published by the Delius Klasing Verlag about all teams and drivers sponsored by liquor producer Jaegermeister. Drivers covered run from Hill, Lauda in the Alpina Batmobile, Stuck in the March F2, Mass, Bellof, Stommelen, Peterson to lesser known Manfred Schurti and many others. There's lots of good pictures as well. Unfotunately for some of you in German, but still worthwhile for the pics alone. Highly recommended.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:02

Originally posted by continental
A wonderful new book that I couldn't resist, was recently published by the Delius Klasing Verlag about all teams and drivers sponsored by liquor producer Jaegermeister. Drivers covered run from Hill, Lauda in the Alpina Batmobile, Stuck in the March F2, Mass, Bellof, Stommelen, Peterson to lesser known Manfred Schurti and many others. There's lots of good pictures as well. Unfotunately for some of you in German, but still worthwhile for the pics alone. Highly recommended.


where can we buy it?

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:11

I have on my Xmas list "Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus" the book by Peter Darley, I have looked on Amazon and Chaters websites, I know the difference in service levels, and in this instance Chaters have the better price of 70.00 GB pounds, is this the best that I will find (my two students kids will be funding this.......;) )



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#2927 BerndRos

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:18

Power and Glory Volumes 1 & 2 By William Court I read these books years ago and have them in my collection , volume 2 took matters to 1973 and was published in 1990 , very in deph , does anyone know why the next volume never came out and if Mr court is still going strong ? has anyone else read them ?


As an aside its a bit similair to Doug Nye and his BRM series Vol 1 1994 and Vol 3 eagarly awaited soon !


Thanks anyone

#2928 ensign14

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:49

There never was a volume 3. However there is "Grand Prix Requiem", which could easily have been a ghoulish scandal of a book, but instead is an eloquent and elegant tribute to many stars of the past - including some lesser known drivers (Loraine Barrow, Ernie Triplett [at least this side of the Pond], de Beaufort).

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 13:26

Personal opinion...I still regard Mr. Court's Vol.1 as the best book on motorsport that I've ever read! Deep stuff, really deep...bordering on a academic text book!!

#2930 Peter Darley

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 13:33

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sterling49
[B]I have on my Xmas list "Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus" the book by Peter Darley, I have looked on Amazon and Chaters websites, I know the difference in service levels, and in this instance Chaters have the better price of 70.00 GB pounds, is this the best that I will find (my two students kids will be funding this.......;) )


In the current issue of 'Octane' there is a supplement called 'Gear', in which the booksellers Hortons reckon that the book will be a collectors item and double in value next year, since it has virtually sold out.

USUAL DECLARATION OF INTEREST.

Peter Darley

Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus.

#2931 PRD

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 13:54

Originally posted by corrado


where can we buy it?


Amazon Germany

#2932 dretceterini

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 15:38

Just got a copy of Tony Adriaensen's Fiat 8V/Siata book, and it is fantastic! Rather pricey at something like 400 Euros plus shipping, but worth it if you are a nut like me on these cars. I justified the price by saving almost 3 years for the book.

#2933 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 15:49

Originally posted by continental
A wonderful new book that I couldn't resist, was recently published by the Delius Klasing Verlag about all teams and drivers sponsored by liquor producer Jaegermeister.



http://www.delius-kl...PHPSESSID=8e36b

Looks interesting, and competitively priced, too.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 16:41

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter Darley
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sterling49
[B]I have on my Xmas list "Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus" the book by Peter Darley, I have looked on Amazon and Chaters websites, I know the difference in service levels, and in this instance Chaters have the better price of 70.00 GB pounds, is this the best that I will find (my two students kids will be funding this.......;) )


In the current issue of 'Octane' there is a supplement called 'Gear', in which the booksellers Hortons reckon that the book will be a collectors item and double in value next year, since it has virtually sold out.

USUAL DECLARATION OF INTEREST.

Peter Darley

Jim Clark - Life at Team Lotus.
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:lol: It worked! Thank you, just placed order with Chaters......along with "The Works Minis", pocket money well spent this week! I thought I had just got myself a bargain at Rochester High Street, a copy of "Graham" for just 4 GB pounds.......Hope the post is working well.......



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Posted 03 November 2007 - 17:36

This thread seems to be busy at the moment. Perhaps is has to do with the weather and the fact that Christmas is coming up.

Another book in German published by Delius Klasing Verlag that I have enjoyed reading is "Herbert Linge. Pionier in Pole Position".

The book is easy to read with 18 chapters on various periods and events in a life that was very eventful, from Carrera Panamericana to Le Mans to Mille Miglia to his involvement in formula 1 safety and finally to his time as head of the experimental department in Weissach.

Jan

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 22:14

Originally posted by Hieronymus
Personal opinion...I still regard Mr. Court's Vol.1 as the best book on motorsport that I've ever read! Deep stuff, really deep...bordering on a academic text book!!


Vol. 1 was certainly the single book that taught me more about motor racing between the World Wars than any other I've read. Court's is also a wonderful discursive style, something you can immerse yourself in. And the selection and reproduction of pictures is impeccable. For all that the design is dated, Vol. 1 is a truly superb book.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 22:19

yes have Grand Prix Requeim also , Great book , william court knew how to write , something tells me he was a Lawyer and Motor racing was a hobby and he started to write about it ?

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 22:44

I think that's right. Like Antony Blight.

If you can get hold of copies of Speedworld International, you can find Court there as well, going through the history of motor racing.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 23:13

Originally posted by ensign14
I think that's right. Like Antony Blight.

.... and David Venables :)

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 00:15

Originally posted by COUGAR508
I have just purchased Jackie Stewart's new autobiography, "Winning is Not Enough" (a bargain £14 at WH Smiths). I have not yet read it cover-to-cover, but there seem to be some new stories in there, and some detailed insight into the events before, during and after Watkins Glen '73. Has anyone else yet read the book?


Happen to know that my wife has a copy of this put aside for my Christmas; I'd be interested to have reactions from those who've read it.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 01:44

Originally posted by Stirling


Happen to know that my wife has a copy of this put aside for my Christmas; I'd be interested to have reactions from those who've read it.

ciao,
Stirling



I'm still reading the book, and have reached the point where Jackie joined BRM, and he explains his reasons for not joining Cooper or Lotus. The book fleshes out many of the familiar stories. A fascinating read so far.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 07:22

:wave: Post 2932 ,( Pete) , I had it sitting for a long time , knowing what it was about , now recently read it, and it really opened an exciting period to me , WWII +/- 5 years or so! :up:

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:05

fully fully endorsed, Court I is my bible for all things inter-war

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:07

Originally posted by Stirling


Happen to know that my wife has a copy of this put aside for my Christmas; I'd be interested to have reactions from those who've read it.

ciao,
Stirling



I've read Jackie's book and very much enjoyed his candour (for example, he doesn't mince his words about his tentative Ferrari contract). Must admit that I'm biased because I produced the DVD that comes with it. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give a plug, but if anyone would like a preview of the DVD, have a look at www.viewvibe.com

I'd be really interested to see what people think of the nine 'visual chapters' that we've done there... I'm pleased with the one called 'Oh no, not again...' which is all about the issue of safety in F1.

Patrick

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:36

Originally posted by Patrick Mark



I've read Jackie's book and very much enjoyed his candour (for example, he doesn't mince his words about his tentative Ferrari contract). Must admit that I'm biased because I produced the DVD that comes with it. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to give a plug, but if anyone would like a preview of the DVD, have a look at www.viewvibe.com

I'd be really interested to see what people think of the nine 'visual chapters' that we've done there... I'm pleased with the one called 'Oh no, not again...' which is all about the issue of safety in F1.

Patrick


On that Ferrari contract, I wouldn't have expected wee Jackie's version to agree with what Enzo said about those proceedings at the time. How does one obtain the DVD, it isn't included with the book (£12 at Tesco, only £10 if you buy a second book at the same time), is it?

#2946 Patrick Mark

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:47

The DVD comes free with the book. It's one-hour long and in 'visual chapters' that reflect the chapter headings of the book itself. It features all sorts of Stewart family 8mm material, interviews with Jackie and many others (from Sean Connery to David Coulthard, Murray Walker, Martin Sorrell, Fred Goodwin, etc, etc).

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 17:10

Patrick - a beautiful video and a wonderful concept. The scene with Ken was very special.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 20:59

:clap:

Beautiful work Patrick. Hope I can find the book in New Zealand and that they haven't peeled the DVD off to resell for another thirty bucks. Constantly blown away how "new" old footage appears and some of the creative ways these gems are crafted into yet another different way of looking at the real golden era of Grand Prix which petered out some time ago.

#2949 Stirling

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 10:05

Many thanks for that Cougar508 and Patrick - my appetite is now well and truly whetted! And I very much agree with Paul Medici about that chapter with Jackie and Ken chatting in the garage doorway at Tyrrel's woodyard. What a pity that this lovely elegiac sequence doesn't appear on the dvd which comes with the book but is only an 'extra chapter exclusive to viewvibe.com'. Any chance of these bonus chapters being released on dvd, Patrick?

ciao,
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:02

Thank you Paul Medici, Muz Bee and Stirling for your kind words... As far as I know the book (in hardback at least) will always have the dvd packaged with it, so it should be available in NZ. With regard to Stirling's remark about the Ken sequence not being in the actual DVD, all i can say is that we had so much great material that we eventually had to make some hard decisions. Also Ken does appear in numerous sequences throughout the DVD...