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#3051 Mosport Fan

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 17:37

I had an ad posted in the For Sale and and another in the Nostalgia Forum, but since this was dedicated to books I would do it here too.

Some of you may recall the name John Cordts, a prominent Canadian driver from the 1960's and 70's, well known for driving various Can-Am machinery (ranging from humble beginnings with Dave Billes's Performance Engineering to various other teams), mainly in McLaren products. He also had several stints in the Trans-Am series, driving the infamous BFGoodrich-sponsored Pontiac Firebird (known as the "Tirebird"), and later on with other teams including the famous John Greenwood Corvettes. He also made one F1 start in 1969 at the Canadian GP in a Brabham-Climax but only made 10 laps.

The book is an autobiography entitled "BLOOD, SWEAT AND TURNIPS", a compact 7" x 4 1/2" x 1/2" 85 page softcover with many B&W photos covering the various cars he drove up to some of his fantastic woodcarvings (his latest hobby).

Each book is signed by John Cordts himself.

The cost? A modest $20 (either CDN or US, but CDN is preferred) plus shipping. I can accept money orders and cheques in CDN$$, cash if you don't mind the risk, or credit cards via Paypal (but there's a $1.25 handling fee for each book on each Paypal transaction).

These ship right from my home in Canada.

Please send an e-mail to prodwell (at) sympatico (dot) ca or send me a PM on the forum.

Thanks!

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#3052 Magee

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 01:33

Golden Gate Remembered by Art Evans with Gary Horstkorta, 2007,
Photo Data Research, Redondo Beach, California,
ISBN 10:9705073-8-0, 160 pp, US$32.95 (8 1/2 by 11 inch) soft cover book.

Here is the fourth book (preceded by Torrey Pines, Pebble Beach, Paramount Ranch), in Art Evans' series of motor sport coverage in California during the fabulous fifties. All were developed by the use of reproductions of original documents and archival photographs as a foundation. The element that puts life into these books is the welcome reminiscent expressions from drivers who were there at The Golden Gate Park Road Race Circuit in San Francisco, California.

Anecdotes by Jack McAfee, Pete Lovely, Jacques Bellesiles, Chuck Tatum and Phil Hill, to name a few, are scattered through this book. Other legends, Masten Gregory, Tom Carstens, William Snell, E.Forbes-Robinson are mentioned in the newspapers and magazines of the time.

Years before, trees, shrubs, lakes, waterfalls, gave refuge to wild fowl and animals. No one, in 1870, when the sand dunes were converted, could vision a track of noisy engine carts. That was the year when John McLaren, a Scotsman, started on developing the new park based on research of the US, UK and Europe parks. Much later, these countries came together to race cars on The Golden Gate Park.

Over the period of the three meets, each in 1952, 1953, and 1954, the organizers presented Cooper, Ferrari, Jaguar, OSCA, MG, Porsche, Aston-Martin, Allard, Simca, Singer, Crosley, Jupiter, and even US powered specials with Chrysler, Cadillac, Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln engines. Also, MG TC and TD filled many race positions. For instance, in 1952, there were about 20 MG's and 25 other UK cars in the entry list of 100. Quite a bonus for the racing car builders in the UK, seven years or less after WW II.

Art Evans has followed the same elements in the four "scrapbooks". Historic racing continues to be popular and appealing when the authentic information is shone for the reader to discover. Seeing books on the shelf that take readers back to the mid 20th century years of motor sport attracts especially those of us wanting those days back. The historic data documents in the book as they appeared in the early '50s articles are of interest. Very importantly, Art Evans adds drivers' recollections and the newspaper reports of the time. He was also a driver in the 50's in California and has been sincerely re-collecting the past as he and his contacts remember. His goal of collecting the necessary research material is clear, organized, and valuable to most of us in the motor sport world and to California.

Copies of this book are available from Art Evans, Photo Data Research,
800 S. Pacific Coast Hwy, Redondo Beach, California, 90277 or
agevans@yahoo.com

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#3053 Stirling

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 11:24

Can anyone recommend a good dealer in second hand motor books please? Many thanks!

ciao,
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#3054 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 11:34

In the UK?

Simon Lewis (who is not a million miles away)
Connossieur Carbooks (ditto)
Hortons (pricey but gets the v v v rare stuff)
Chaters (also new)

#3055 David McKinney

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 12:44

They're all a long way from St Andrews :lol:
But some at least have websites, which Dr Google will direct you to

#3056 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 12:51

Pook's Motor Books might be more in line, Rothley is only about 50 miles from St Andrew's. :)

And there's Collectors' Carbooks in Herts with the big green van that turns up at Silverstone.

#3057 bradbury west

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 13:42

Originally posted by ensign14
In the UK?
Connossieur Carbooks (ditto)

Connoisseur ? Are they still going? I used to call in on them when they were in Devonshire Rd, Chiswick years ago. Thought they were absorbed by Mr Horton some time ago.
Collectors' Carbooks, now sited at Silverstone , is often better known as Chris Knapman
There is also the redoubtable Spencer Elton, t/a Eltons, at most events, see website. He and father Tom were always very well known hillclimbers in the past
Roger Lund.

#3058 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 13:54

Originally posted by bradbury west

There is also the redoubtable Spencer Elton, t/a Eltons,


.... never knowingly oversold ;)

#3059 Stirling

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 17:47

Thank you, Gentlemen, your recommendations are much appreciated and I'll be canvassing them in search of the volumes I require.

Thanks again!
Stirling

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#3060 petefenelon

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 21:25

Motor Books has some secondhand stock, as does Foyle's, in fact a good look down Charing Cross Road will occasionally throw up a few gems.

Chris Knapman (Collector's Car books) is also often useful.

#3061 D-Type

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 17:48

And in the age of the internet there is always Abebooks.

Unfortunately that works two ways as non-specialist booksellers can gauge the market price more accurately, i.e. higher than the number they first thought of.

#3062 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 23:27

Originally posted by D-Type
And in the age of the internet there is always Abebooks.

Unfortunately that works two ways as non-specialist booksellers can gauge the market price more accurately, i.e. higher than the number they first thought of.


Yes, that's taken some of the fun out of it....leaving an unsuspecting bookseller with a suppreesed grin on my face as I walk out with a bargain. On the other hand, I noticed that a non-specialist shop has a book I've been looking for, market price about $175.....non-specialist bookseller's price: $467.

Jack

#3063 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 11:16

Does anyone by any chance have an e-mail address of Clive Stroud, apart from the general Chaters address? If so, please send me a PM - thanks.

#3064 fuzzi

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 12:38

If you are in the area; The Canterbury Bookshop on Northgate has a couple of shelves of motoring and motor sport titles at what seemed to me fair prices. :)

#3065 petefenelon

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 16:49

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad


Yes, that's taken some of the fun out of it....leaving an unsuspecting bookseller with a suppreesed grin on my face as I walk out with a bargain. On the other hand, I noticed that a non-specialist shop has a book I've been looking for, market price about $175.....non-specialist bookseller's price: $467.

Jack


Someone very dear to me has managed to find two copies of Down The Hatch lately - one for 30p and one for a quid. Mine was 30 quid and I thought I'd got it at a fair price ;P

#3066 petefenelon

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 16:50

Originally posted by Vitesse2


.... never knowingly oversold ;)


I thought that was most commonly applied to Eoin Young!

#3067 ensign14

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 17:00

I think the biggest specialist/non-specialist difference I had ever seen was The Formula Ford Book...£3 in Hay-on-Wye, the next week £150 at a Goodwood. It's on abebooks at £40+.

#3068 Vitesse2

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 21:50

Originally posted by petefenelon


I thought that was most commonly applied to Eoin Young!

Eoin's in a class of his own! But I doubt there's much (if any) crossover between his and Spencer's stock.;)

#3069 green-blood

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 11:02

hey guys

I snet through a payment to Paul Skilleter for the EE book, does anyone have a phone number for them because I've had no response for 2 weeks. Odd, I went for the leather bound, so I'm suprised not to have heard

edit - all sorted, it must be the christmas post, what a nice chap

#3070 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 07:42

:wave: Have you ever seen a book on the period 1945-1949 ? Or 1934-1940 ?

#3071 ensign14

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 08:43

"Racing The Silver Arrows" for the thirties, for the '45-49 period you're stuck because most carry on into the 50s. "Classic Racing Cars" by DCN and Geoff Goddard has a good number of pages about post-war, and of course there's the Black Books...

#3072 chazh

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 10:20

I've finally acquired my own copy of Time and Two Seats, as a slightly early Christmas present to myself, and all I can say is.... wow.

Worth every penny and I foresee many evenings spent perusing the contents.

Does anyone know if another print run of "Open Roads & Front Engines" is likely? I foolishly neglected to buy a copy when I should have and I now cannot find anywhere that has it in stock.

#3073 sterling49

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 11:39

Originally posted by chazh
I've finally acquired my own copy of Time and Two Seats, as a slightly early Christmas present to myself, and all I can say is.... wow.

Worth every penny and I foresee many evenings spent perusing the contents.

Does anyone know if another print run of "Open Roads & Front Engines" is likely? I foolishly neglected to buy a copy when I should have and I now cannot find anywhere that has it in stock.


Where did you obtain your copy please? I thought it was out of print :confused:

#3074 Tom Vandenhecke

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 15:26

I also recently bought "Time and Two Seats", you can buy it directly from David Bull publishing.

Time and Two Seats

#3075 helioseism

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 17:16

New book about the Van Amersfoot Racing team:

Van Amersfoort Racing - 30 Jaar Autosport
Roel Schoondermark & Pim de Wit
Pages: 96 pages
Cover: hardbound
Language: Dutch
ISBN 978-90-812593-1-6

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#3076 Mark Godfrey

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 20:24

Does anyone know if another print run of "Open Roads & Front Engines" is likely?


On November 14, Janos Wimpffen wrote me that "Bull may reprint, but hasn't decided yet."

If anyone would like TATS, I keep one set on hand, signed by Janos. (Same high price as elsewhere -- but S&H may be less!)

I also have a good supply of The Miller Dynasty by Mark Dees (no not signed) and a number of other books that may be hard to find, especially in the States.

I have read a number of books that would have passed me by were it not for your recommendations here. Thank you.

Mark Godfrey

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#3077 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 20:33

Broken record post:

Does anyone have any information yet about the English version of Brothers Rodriguez?

Jack

#3078 petefenelon

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 21:44

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Broken record post:

Does anyone have any information yet about the English version of Brothers Rodriguez?

Jack


I asked in Motor Books back in October and it was delayed until '08, IIRC.

#3079 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 22:30

If one of you have DSJenkinsons book A story of F1 and will post me a picture read on.............................

The book has a chapter 8 on transport , with a picture saying "unloading a Maserati....etc." I would love to see that , because the truck on the side , I think I have found another picture of ! So please if you............

kjerbjoern@hotmail.com

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 23:10

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Christmas has come early. Literally. :)
"Jabby"'s autobiography is finally available, in French only, sorry (though I can't imagine it won't be translated sooner or later). I only have had time to browse through it, but it looks really great: tons of anecdotes and period documents (such as a Christmas card from the Hill family) and forewords from both Jackie Stewart and Bernie Ecclestone!

I probably won't have much time to read it until the holiday but I will try and post more of a review in the New Year.

#3081 Coral

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Posted 16 December 2007 - 23:42

I can't wait until Jabby's autobiography comes out in English. According to Jabby's official website http://crombac.com/index.html it will be released in English in 2008 or 2009. I'm sure you will enjoy it 962C, and I'm looking forward to reading your review. :)

#3082 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 03:44

Classic Motorsport Routes by Meaden...any good?

Jack.

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Posted 17 December 2007 - 20:59

Originally posted by Coral
I can't wait until Jabby's autobiography comes out in English. According to Jabby's official website http://crombac.com/index.html it will be released in English in 2008 or 2009. I'm sure you will enjoy it 962C, and I'm looking forward to reading your review. :)



Thanks for that information. The book should be indeed be a real treat. Hopefully there will be some previously untold stories from Jabby's time in the sport, and particularly his relationships with Lotus/Jim Clark/Colin Chapman.

#3084 ERault

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Posted 18 December 2007 - 21:50

Has someone bought or seen Ludvigsen little books written for the Maserati works on the racing cars ? How detailled are they ?

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Posted 19 December 2007 - 19:07

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Classic Motorsport Routes by Meaden...any good?

Jack.


will know next Tuesday ;)

#3086 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 12:12

My wife bought me a copy of "Bernie's Game" last year as a holiday read. Funnily enough it is not a book I've ever seen advertised. Having read it perhaps Bernie had the "lads" go round and buy up all the copies.

For me it really proved everything I thought about Bernie and Max and how there are may people in F1 who would sell their granny for 10p and some would sell a granny they did not have!

Fascinating stuff. I wonder if the author lived to tell the tale!

#3087 RS2000

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 14:52

Originally posted by Derwent Motorsport
My wife bought me a copy of "Bernie's Game". Having read it perhaps Bernie had the "lads" go round and buy up all the copies.

One does inevitably get the impression they might have visited several county library sytems at some time...


A more pleasant discovery in a library yesterday was "Hillclimbing and Sprinting - The Essential Guide", by Phil Short and Steve Wilkinson, in the newly-acquired books display.
How much more encouraging to see something relevant to grass roots motorsport rather than the ususal plethora of F1 books.
Anyone who has "been there, done that" might have worried that this subject couldn't be accurately targetted with truly relevant information. Not so. This book largely does what it claims to do on the cover.
Inevitably any attempt to list contacts will be out of date in some respect even before publication and will get worse as time passes - but it is far bettter to list, knowing that, rather than not to list?
The most difficult area in speed events - detailed vehicle eligibility in production classes - is hardly addressed but almost everything else is. Most worrying aspect on that score is to see a Mini belonging to one of the joint authors (one who's day job has required detailed regulations knowledge!) with front bodywork seeming to be at variance with the long-standing (since 1991) "Modprod" speed rules on the extent of unitary construction! It is precisely this often bizarre and perverse failure to enforce regulations (finally addressed centrally only this year after 16 years of turning a blind eye!) that puts some off speed eventing.
A recurring theme from some "personalities" quoted is a desire for better facilities, such as tarmac paddocks. Methinks they entirely miss the point. Venues are the biggest problem area for the future of UK motorsport. The south east is fast approaching a desert (although with some good news this week on a short lease of Lydden by Pat Doran and another year's reprieve for Longcross thanks to Barry Guess). If you want to drive what is effectively an F1 car, maybe complaining about rural hillclimb tracks that could fill an entry with production-based cars is not in your best interest...
Overall a worthwhile and useful new book. Unfortunately, pulisher Veloce, I'm sure without consultation with the authors, in its own inserted advert page manages to push their "manual" on Nitrous Oxide - a definite no-no throughout the UK hillclimb and sprint world and thus likely to confuse the potential new competitor somewhat!

#3088 Stephen W

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Posted 21 December 2007 - 15:17

Originally posted by RS2000

One does inevitably get the impression they might have visited several county library sytems at some time...


A more pleasant discovery in a library yesterday was "Hillclimbing and Sprinting - The Essential Guide", by Phil Short and Steve Wilkinson, in the newly-acquired books display.
How much more encouraging to see something relevant to grass roots motorsport rather than the ususal plethora of F1 books.
Anyone who has "been there, done that" might have worried that this subject couldn't be accurately targetted with truly relevant information. Not so. This book largely does what it claims to do on the cover.
Inevitably any attempt to list contacts will be out of date in some respect even before publication and will get worse as time passes - but it is far bettter to list, knowing that, rather than not to list?
The most difficult area in speed events - detailed vehicle eligibility in production classes - is hardly addressed but almost everything else is. Most worrying aspect on that score is to see a Mini belonging to one of the joint authors (one who's day job has required detailed regulations knowledge!) with front bodywork seeming to be at variance with the long-standing (since 1991) "Modprod" speed rules on the extent of unitary construction! It is precisely this often bizarre and perverse failure to enforce regulations (finally addressed centrally only this year after 16 years of turning a blind eye!) that puts some off speed eventing.
A recurring theme from some "personalities" quoted is a desire for better facilities, such as tarmac paddocks. Methinks they entirely miss the point. Venues are the biggest problem area for the future of UK motorsport. The south east is fast approaching a desert (although with some good news this week on a short lease of Lydden By Pat Doran and another year's reprieve for Longcross thanks to Barry Guess). If you want to drive what is effectively an F1 car, maybe complaining about rural hillclimb tracks that could fill an entry with production-based cars is not in your best interest...
Overall a worthwhile and useful new book. Unfortunately, pulisher Veloce, I'm sure without consultation with the authors, in its own inserted advert page manages to push their "manual" on Nitrous Oxide - a definite no-no throughout the UK hillclimb and sprint world and thus likely to confuse the potential new competitor somewhat!


Thanks for the kind words! As one of the joint authors it is pleasing to see that the book is 'getting about'!

#3089 Bud Byrnes

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 07:27

You are a lucky fellow if it is as you describe. "The Racing Driver" is a very good book, by one of the best motorsport writers, of his time. I have a very used copy and I feel lucky to have it.

If only all of DSJ's race reports were available as a set...

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#3090 COUGAR508

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Posted 22 December 2007 - 08:54

Originally posted by Derwent Motorsport
My wife bought me a copy of "Bernie's Game" last year as a holiday read. Funnily enough it is not a book I've ever seen advertised. Having read it perhaps Bernie had the "lads" go round and buy up all the copies.

For me it really proved everything I thought about Bernie and Max and how there are may people in F1 who would sell their granny for 10p and some would sell a granny they did not have!

Fascinating stuff. I wonder if the author lived to tell the tale!



This is a book I would definitely like to add to my collection. I'm particularly interested in the Bernie story in the early to mid-1970s, when he was laying the groundwork for his empire. Does the book cover this period in great detail, including his Brabham involvement?

#3091 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 01:10

I found "Bernie's Game" to be a very interesting and enjoyable look into the behind the scene politics that are regrettably an integral part of F1 today. In particular, the means by which Mr. E acquired his power and the associated fortune was presented very well. Not a pretty story I might add.

The Brabham years are given only a token review as the focus of the book is FOCA and its successors.

A worthy book if interested in the subject.

#3092 COUGAR508

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 15:12

Originally posted by Dennis Hockenbury
I found "Bernie's Game" to be a very interesting and enjoyable look into the behind the scene politics that are regrettably an integral part of F1 today. In particular, the means by which Mr. E acquired his power and the associated fortune was presented very well. Not a pretty story I might add.

The Brabham years are given only a token review as the focus of the book is FOCA and its successors.

A worthy book if interested in the subject.


Thanks for the information. It would be great if someone could write a book on the politics/finances/promotion of F1 between 1950 and, say, 1979.

Incidentally, I have now bought "Memories of The Bear", Eoin Young's biography of Denny Hulme. I'd be interested to know what people thought of this book.

#3093 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 16:30

Bernie's Game has been around for awhile, at least three or four years. It was long enough for me to get some folks quite annoyed at me when I wrote about it in RVM and elsewhere, which means that it is positively ancient history.

Pity that the book still only scratches the surface and leaves (so) much unsaid/unwritten. The shenanigans of recent years have roots deep in the past (at least the 1950s/60s/70s) that are still largely ignored/ unexplored/ neglected/ avoided -- with the possible exception of here at TNF. Indeed, I would not suggest holding your breath for a book that actually delves into the muck and sewage that always seems to constitute the "real" history of a topic/subject, with "formula one" being very poorly covered in this respect. The actual intrigue and political back-stabbling, larceny, feuds, vendettas, and general nastiness of the soap operas of the past several decades are far more interesting (and, perhaps, even more important) than the tepid show that is inflicted upon the unsuspecting and usually clueless public.

There have been several attempts to approach this topic, but most fall short of the mark. The Lovell is basically notable in that it managed to see the light of day.....

#3094 sterling49

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Posted 25 December 2007 - 11:00

A veritable haul this year, Graham Robson's "Ford in Touring Car Racing", JYS "Winning Is Not Enough" and old slow hand himself,the Eric Clapton autobiography :up: Question is , which one do I read 1st? I am already ensconsced with the great pictures in the Robson book, those Cologne Capris were just magnificent, I had forgotten that they had finished 10th and 11th at Le Mans against the sportscars of the day. The driver roll call was similarly awesome, JYS,Lauda,Glemser,Mass,Fitzpatrick,Birrel, what fun days!

#3095 RS2000

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Posted 25 December 2007 - 15:25

Originally posted by sterling49
and old slow hand himself,the Eric Clapton autobiography

When you get to the bit where he mentions building his new hurricane-proof house on his private headland, that's it on the right, tucked well into the ridge line, overlooking the Guadeloupe Passage. Don't think his Enzo would make it up the gravel track...
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Posted 25 December 2007 - 16:22

Well, I got only two books this Christmas, Friedrich Nietzsche and the diaries of Ernesto Guevara :lol: I prefer to buy motoring books myself! :)

#3097 kevthedrummer

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 01:30

The girl done good this year. I received Lorie Coffey's 'Remembering Elio' and Pino Fondi's 'Targa Florio: 20th Century Epic'. Now if I could just take some time off to read them :

#3098 Peter Leversedge

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 04:10

Just read "Against Death And Time" by Brock Yates sub One Fatal Season in Racings Glory Years [ 1955 ]
Alberto Ascari / Bill Vukovick / Pierre Levegh / James Dean
Any one read it ? and any coments ?

#3099 ensign14

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 12:14

Thanks to Tony George's impression of Stalin I've given up on all hope of an Indy 500 yearbook, but does anyone know if there's going to be a ChampCar one?

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#3100 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 12:38

Originally posted by Peter Leversedge
Just read "Against Death And Time" by Brock Yates sub One Fatal Season in Racings Glory Years [ 1955 ]
Alberto Ascari / Bill Vukovick / Pierre Levegh / James Dean
Any one read it ? and any coments ?


Any comments would be unkind, to say the least.

I do think that there are a number of comments floating around here somewhere on this book, most being quite unfavorable. This technique might have worked for Truman Capote for In Cold Blood, but it certainly does not work here.