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#3151 Henri Greuter

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 15:16

I don't know if this has been mentioned already.

But a funny detail about 1982 by Christopher Hilton...

Within the grid overviews and final results he rightly lists the Alfa Romeo's to have a V12 engine.
Yet on several occasions within the text parts he suggests the Alfa's to be within the turbo brigade.
But that Alfa V8 boozer contraption, though shown at the Italian GP 1980 already (Imola, not Monza) was only introduced for active duty in 1983, 2.5 years on.

Otherwise a great book that I dare to recommand for they who have an interest for that year for whatever reason.

Henri

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#3152 Alan Cox

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 19:57

While looking at Paul Skilleter's site, prompted by tonyb's post about the "Cat out of the Bag" book, I noted the announcement for these forthcoming books about specific categories of Jaguar's racing history. Having bought the impressive new Ecurie Ecosse book, and as Ted Walker is involved as well, it looks promising.

Headed "The Jaguar Connoisseur Series":
https://viper.bpweb....forthcoming.php

#3153 dretceterini

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 03:08

Just recieved copies of the new Alfda Giulietta Sprint Veloce Zagato book by Gino Giugno. It is in both English and Italian. I have a few extra copies, so if anyone in the US is interested, please e-mail me at dretceterini@hotmail.com


Only 200 copies were printed

#3154 Mallory Dan

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:04

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Has the Christopher Hilton (yes yes I know!!) book about the 1982 season been mentioned on here? I've got a copy, thanks again Simon, and so far am very impressed with it.


About a third of the way through now, its really very good indeed.

#3155 fuzzi

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 19:30

The Miller Dynasty has arrived from LMG Autobooks of St Antonio, Texas. "Second-hand" it was still in its sealed plastic wrapping and original publishers delivery box.

The British pound might be having a hard time against the Euro, but it's good and strong against the dollar. There must be lots of other bargains on that side of the pond. Stir yourselves gentlemen. :) :rotfl:

#3156 dretceterini

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:23

Originally posted by fuzzi
The Miller Dynasty has arrived from LMG Autobooks of St Antonio, Texas. "Second-hand" it was still in its sealed plastic wrapping and original publishers delivery box.

The British pound might be having a hard time against the Euro, but it's good and strong against the dollar. There must be lots of other bargains on that side of the pond. Stir yourselves gentlemen. :) :rotfl:



True, but 95% of the new books I'm interested in are published in England or in central Europe! :(

#3157 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 20:56

I bought a copy of 'Cooper Cars' by Doug Nye on ebay the other day, and was delighted to discover that it was signed by John Cooper himself. Complete unexpected and a bargain at £15. :up:

#3158 Doug Nye

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 21:36

Originally posted by Paul Jeffrey
Just hd a cancellation note from Amazon for my order for Volume 3 of Doug Nye's BRM saga. I assume that after set period orders become null and void.


I would apologise for the inconvenience but for the fact I don't really know what's going on.

What I suspect is that the cost cutters at Amazon have been refused supply from the distributor for the perfectly legitimate purpose of giving the committed longterm specialist booksellers an even playing field.

If the publisher was aiming for unlimited sales, the cost cutters would be welcome. For a limited edition - however - there is no point in helping them cut the throats of the long-term specialist sellers who have been loyal to us for decades...

I was brought up to believe that loyalty is a two-way street and I am pretty sure that the publisher, Motor Racing Publications (MRP) subscribe to the same (now too often forgotten) business ethic.

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#3159 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 23:37

It took a bit of doing, but I managed to read all 23 installments of Andy Dunlop's "Damn Few Died in Bed" when it was published in Phyllis Devine's wonderful little publication, "The Alternate."

I have now read the Racemaker Press edition of Damn Few Died in Bed and enjoyed it all over again.

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#3160 Graham Gauld

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 08:38

Doug,

I could not have put it better myself. Lance and I have never approached Amazon about the books that we have financed ourselves. However, they have approached us - obviously when they get an order - and have appeared to accept the standard terms we offer the specialist bookshops. I am 110% in favour of the specialist motoring bookshops around the world as these are the dedicated enthusiasts who have also spent a lot of time, money and patience to serve the relatively small but serious readers of books on motor sport.

#3161 COUGAR508

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 10:04

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Has the Christopher Hilton (yes yes I know!!) book about the 1982 season been mentioned on here? I've got a copy, thanks again Simon, and so far am very impressed with it.


It is a very high quality piece of work, and ranks up there with most of Hilton's other more historical works. The depth of research undertaken is impressive, and there is little evidence of "cut and paste" or the flaws sometimes associated with the author's more contemporary-based books.

#3162 bradbury west

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 11:14

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
It took a bit of doing, but I managed to read all 23 installments of Andy Dunlop's "Damn Few Died in Bed" when it was published in Phyllis Devine's wonderful little publication, "The Alternate."

I have now read the Racemaker Press edition of Damn Few Died in Bed and enjoyed it all over again.


This has been very well reviewed in C&SC a month ago by Mick Walsh, so it may reach a broader readership for a relatively unknown era over here.
Roger Lund

#3163 Twin Window

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 23:55

Originally posted by Doug Nye

I was brought up to believe that loyalty is a two-way street...

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#3164 RS2000

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 14:47

Memory Lanes (see above somewhere) now seems to have progressed:
http://www.photohist...om/whatsnew.php
Amazon are now offering for order a paperback version at £29.50 delivered on their own site, which should make the hardback direct from Peter Robinson for £30 incl P&P a popular choice. Unfortunately, I have been unable to open the card payment link on his site...

#3165 sterling49

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 18:33

I want this book, I had the same problem as you, paypal does not work! However the basket price was show as 23.50?

#3166 RS2000

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 19:13

As I read it, the hardback is only available from the website at a special price of £23.50+£6.50 P&P. The softback is said to be £28.50 from retail sources but this currently shows up (to order for when available) on Amazon as £29.50 (inclusive of delivery as it's above Amazon's cut off for free delivery?). Took me some time to sort it out though, so can't guarantee that's correct.

#3167 helioseism

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 01:44

New book of interest:

American Road Racing: 1948-1950 -- The Sport Revived
by Joel E. Finn
Garnet Hill Publishing

435 pages, more than 600 photos.

Rather expensive, $160.00 US

http://www.garnethillpublishing.com/

#3168 Allan Lupton

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 08:49

Originally posted by RS2000
Memory Lanes (see above somewhere) now seems to have progressed:
http://www.photohist...om/whatsnew.php
Amazon are now offering for order a paperback version at £29.50 delivered on their own site, which should make the hardback direct from Peter Robinson for £30 incl P&P a popular choice. Unfortunately, I have been unable to open the card payment link on his site...

Interestingly the link you posted tells us everything except who wrote the book! It tells you Peter Valentine wrote the Forward and that the photos come from Ted Walker. You have to know that "photohistoric" is Peter Robinson, I suppose.
Motoring News rallies seem to be spawning a number of books these days - I really wonder how big the market for them is.

#3169 RS2000

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 11:51

Originally posted by Allan Lupton

Motoring News rallies seem to be spawning a number of books these days - I really wonder how big the market for them is.


I guess we'll see. Other narrow-subject rallying books seem to have been fairly successful recently. The two books covering the MN series way back are now collectors' items. Whilst racing subjects can have a wide appeal to those who never took part, road rallying has the advantage that the competitor base, among those of a certain age, is massive too. UK Competition Licence statistics cannot show it because there was never a category just for road rallies but, until the 80s, the overwhelming majority of UK comp licence holders would have competed in a road rally and probably a clear majority only ever competed in such events. The MSA today are cagy about admitting how many of the lower numbers of comp licence holders actually regularly compete in any form of motorsport. The period spectator base is impossible to assess too (as it is for earlier RAC Rallies and other stage rallies up to the point when charging for access became the norm). 30 years ago, as a road rally clerk of the course, I had to complie a list of 6 or 7 "spectator points" with access directions etc. to try keep people away from the rally route...on public roads in Oxfordshire...
Other forums have well-supported road rally sections and "nostalgia" photo threads - to the extent that they have been used by "antis" to collect evidence against the remaining elements of the sport and it has been necessary to remind posters to clearly distinguish between "then" and "now" in narrative.
One of the few (or only two or three?) English road rallies that still really capture the original flavour has just run last weekend with some competiors travelling 300 miles each way just to get to and from it. Arguably, these few remaing "prestige" events accord with the letter but not the spirit of the regulations that put a stop to most competitive road ralies in 1988.
There is great nostalgia out there for something that can never return....although...right now the Welsh Assembly is said to be involved in initiatives that just might end up having previously unbelievable consequences for UK motorsport...

#3170 bradbury west

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 13:14

For some time now Vintage Racecar has advertised its own publication, John Surtees; Friends and Rivals, with excellent b/w photos by Nick Loudun and text by Ed McDonough, at $15 ex US or a tenner direct from EdMcD over here.
It is what it says. 80 pages of fine quality, close-up, high-detail driver shots as a tribute to il grande Giovanni and the usual suspects from his era, some shots especially good, IMHO, for me Salvadori head-on in the Atkins Cobra, plus some good grid shots in large sports cars. Text with each shot is to the usual EdMcd standard. Excellent value and some of the money goes to NARA, the charity helping people with respiratory problems.
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#3171 cote d'azur

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 17:37

Sorry for the confusion. The web designer disappeared on holiday before he finished web site update. The book will be available after March 19th at £30.00 incl p&p in UK and Europe (listed on web site as £23.50 + £6.50 to fit in with existing web design). PayPal facility will be up and running on his return in next seven days or so. It is possible to log interest on the site (info@...) and they will inform you when book is available.

#3172 fines

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 17:58

Originally posted by cote d'azur
Sorry for the confusion. The web designer disappeared on holiday before he finished web site update. The book will be available after March 19th at £30.00 incl p&p in UK and Europe (listed on web site as £23.50 + £6.50 to fit in with existing web design). PayPal facility will be up and running on his return in next seven days or so. It is possible to log interest on the site (info@...) and they will inform you when book is available.

It would be helpful if the poster stated to which book (s)he is refering, with 3000+ posts and probably the same number of books discussed! :confused: :|

#3173 cote d'azur

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 19:41

Sorry about that - first time on the site. The book was Memory Lanes - a history of the Motoring News Championship 1970 - 1973 and related to price, payment and delivery query that had previously been raised

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 19:44

Originally posted by cote d'azur
Sorry about that - first time on the site. The book was Memory Lanes - a history of the Motoring News Championship 1970 - 1973 and related to price, payment and delivery query that had previously been raised


Thanks for the info, I know of at least 3 takers as soon as the site is ready to operate :up:

#3175 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 21:33

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Broken record post:

Does anyone have any information yet about the English version of Brothers Rodriguez?

Jack


At Palm Beach Cavallino Classic XVII yesterday I was told by the representative of David Bull Publishing (Mr. Bull himself, I believe) that Bull will be publishing the English edition, expected to be out this May! And...I was introduced to someone whose work I've admired for decades...Jesse Alexander.

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#3176 RS2000

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 23:18

Originally posted by cote d'azur
Sorry for the confusion. The web designer disappeared on holiday before he finished web site update. The book will be available after March 19th at £30.00 incl p&p in UK and Europe (listed on web site as £23.50 + £6.50 to fit in with existing web design). PayPal facility will be up and running on his return in next seven days or so. It is possible to log interest on the site (info@...) and they will inform you when book is available.

Unfortunately I have never had a response on this or a couple of other matters from "info@...", over an extended period.
Clicking "pay by cheque" on the site results in a message that the order is recorded and someone will be in touch.
Given the date of general availability above, is it likely to be available at Stoneleigh, on the 3 days before?

#3177 dretceterini

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 03:51

Have recieved copies of two new books on giuliettas; one on the SVZs and one on giuliettas at the Targa Florio, both by Gino Giugno. A little pricey at 59 Euros each, plus the shipping, but both are musts for Alfa fanatics. I bought a few extra copies, if anyone in the US is interested.

#3178 Alan Cox

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 17:12

Something to look forward to for fans of Oulton Park, club racing and all that was good about the '70s - TNFer Peter McFadyen's follow-up to his excellent book about the sixties.

http://www.veloce.co...d...s & Trucks

#3179 jumperjarier

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 20:37

:wave: hi everybody,
last week i received a copy of Phil Kerr's new book "To finnish first" which is all about his days as a mechanic
for cooper and mclaren, although a bit on the pricey side £59.99 it is a very good read and i can highly recommend it,
there are only 300 copies published, and all copies are signed by Phil Kerr and the artist Michael Turner.
I really enjoy the comments on this forum and i hope i can contribute something worthwhile in the future

regards jumperjarier

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#3180 MichaelJP

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 12:10

I see Maurice Hamilton has a book coming out soon about last year's spy scandal; "Chequered Conflict".

Does anyone else think this is a bit soon to release one on this topic, surely the dust hasn't settled yet and there is lots that we will only know once the participants have retired from their F1 careers?

#3181 Stephen W

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 14:52

Originally posted by MichaelJP
I see Maurice Hamilton has a book coming out soon about last year's spy scandal; "Chequered Conflict".

Does anyone else think this is a bit soon to release one on this topic, surely the dust hasn't settled yet and there is lots that we will only know once the participants have retired from their F1 careers?


Looks like a case of making hay whilst the sun shines! Maybe in two or three years it will all be forgotten by the general public.

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#3182 petefenelon

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 15:01

Originally posted by MichaelJP
I see Maurice Hamilton has a book coming out soon about last year's spy scandal; "Chequered Conflict".

Does anyone else think this is a bit soon to release one on this topic, surely the dust hasn't settled yet and there is lots that we will only know once the participants have retired from their F1 careers?


Given that good books on WW2 codebreaking only started to emerge in the 80s and 90s, yes, it's far too soon to look at this stuff ;P

#3183 fines

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 17:44

What happened? Was it interesting enough for a book?

#3184 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 18:07

There are good reasons for historians using 25 years as a good rule of thumb when it comes to writing history. Michael's question may not get an answer for some years to come, at least when it comes to any history being involved. The "interesting" part is a separate issue....

#3185 Vitesse2

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 18:10

Originally posted by fines
What happened? Was it interesting enough for a book?

I think I learned all I need to know from Nigel Roebuck's excellent piece in Motor Sport.

#3186 petefenelon

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 18:51

Originally posted by MichaelJP
I see Maurice Hamilton has a book coming out soon about last year's spy scandal; "Chequered Conflict".

Does anyone else think this is a bit soon to release one on this topic, surely the dust hasn't settled yet and there is lots that we will only know once the participants have retired from their F1 careers?


I'm surprised A**n H***y and C********r H****n haven't rushed potboilers out. Probably both busy on YAHHs this winter (Yet Another Hamilton Hagiography).;)

#3187 fines

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 19:22

So McLaren spied on Ferrari? GOODNESS GRACIOUS, they daren't do that, surely??? :yawn: I am so trembling with rage, I'm afraid the spoon I am balancing on my nose will fall to the ground!

#3188 COUGAR508

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 20:24

Originally posted by MichaelJP
I see Maurice Hamilton has a book coming out soon about last year's spy scandal; "Chequered Conflict".

Does anyone else think this is a bit soon to release one on this topic, surely the dust hasn't settled yet and there is lots that we will only know once the participants have retired from their F1 careers?


In the fullness of time, some of the protagonists will feel more willing and able to give their frank opinions. And of course time will lend more perspective to the affair. However, there is probably a need for a book to tie up all the loose ends of the story and put it into a neat bundle. And Maurice Hamilton has a reasonable track record at producing high quality, readable books.

#3189 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 20:54

Originally posted by COUGAR508
In the fullness of time, some of the protagonists will feel more willing and able to give their frank opinions. And of course time will lend more perspective to the affair. However, there is probably a need for a book to tie up all the loose ends of the story and put it into a neat bundle. And Maurice Hamilton has a reasonable track record at producing high quality, readable books.


It is such books, given the past track record of Mr. Hamilton, that will be of great help to historians in the future. Those who chronicle their times play a big role when historians finally getting around to mulling things over. These sources help us connect the dots and often lead us to dots that are not visible until time has rolled on. What will be interesting is see how many others besides Hamilton who will write for the record....

#3190 Allan Lupton

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 15:33

There are quite a number of contemporary authors of motoring books who are members and contributors to this Forum.
Has anyone worked out how to ask the multitude to comment on a book written by one of them and get an objective answer?
I have seen some pretty robust comments on some books, but presumably most of us are too well-mannered to make them when we know the author is guaranteed to read them.
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#3191 red stick

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 16:21

I'm not sure the forum is quite that polite.

Argetsinger, Nye, and Paul Parker, for example, are roundly praised, but I doubt that's because they may be reading. If they turned out lesser work, I think they'd get both barrels. Isn't that what Capps is for? :)

Rubython, Tipler, and Hilton, to take three examples of authors roundly (or in Hilton's case, occasionally) panned, don't participate, as far as I know, but if they did I doubt that would alter anyone's opinion.

At the risk of being indelicate, is there someone you have in mind?

#3192 petefenelon

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 18:18

There've been authors whose books have attracted unfavourable content who've posted here. John Starkey comes immediately to mind. There's been less than universal praise for some of Ed McDonough's books too. Not everyone likes Mike Lawrence's style, either. There were several TNF readers who took quite severe objection to some of the points Michael Cox made in his biography of Masten Gregory. Merely being a published author doesn't guarantee a TNF member an easy ride, and vice-versa!

Oh and it's open season on journos.;)

#3193 Allan Lupton

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 19:18

Thanks, chaps, you've actually helped me directly, though I am too polite to tell you exactly how. At least on this occasion, I am.

#3194 bradbury west

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 19:22

Surely, unless a book is factually incorrect, or simply badly written, a fault which should have been edited out, any review simply reflects the opinion of the reviewer, and should carry a caveat to that effect, possibly noting that reviewer's pet dislikes or axes-for-grinding.?
Roger Lund.

#3195 Dennis Hockenbury

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:10

Whether an author reads my comments regarding their work or is not an issue for me. I only express my opinion regarding their work, and as we all know, everyone has their own opinions on every subject.

In general, I have high regard for most authors who make the investment to provide the books we discuss on this thread. And there are a very few who I rate very highly, but then again this is just my opinion.

I agree with Pete, there is no free ride on TNF.

#3196 Stephen W

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:58

I do not believe that TNF pulls any punches. From what I have seen if a book stinks then people say so irrespective of who wrote it. In some cases certain authors have a high level of consistency and I guess if their next offering was below par there would be howls of protest!

;)

#3197 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:40

Having just finished reading Jackie Stewart's autobiography - all 500+ pages of it - I have been trying to compose a review of the book. This has proven to be quite challenging.

Overall I think it certainly gets across to the reader the type of man Jackie is; what he believes in, what he doesn't and the personal parameters upon which he bases everything he does. He is clearly passionately interested in people and is almost paranoid about the way he presents himself to anyone he comes across in his life.

This is no criticism of man or book, although he does tend to go on about those things rather more than I felt was necessary. His committment to family, friends and anyone with whom he has business dealings shines through.

Yes, as mentioned before, the book does have 'a cast of thoudsands' but once Jackie (sorry, Sir Jackie) decided to mention the ghillies and gamekeepers who helped shape his younger life, there could presumably be no turning back.

He knows the Queen well; and several other members of the Royal (not Royle) family, as well as knowing various other Royal dignitaries from other countries. Why shouldn't he mention them? He gives a mention to secretaries and assistants in much the same tone, so again, I don't feel I have any right to criticise him on that one. One thing that is blatantly obvious is his great affection for Ken Tyrrell.

The racing section of the book is relatively short; so if you only want to know about Stewart the Racing Driver, don't buy this book. Jackie is in his late 60s and raced for just about 10 of those years so it is not surprising that it does not take up a large proportion of the book. Nor indeed does the Stewart Grand Prix team section cover many pages.

So, I am left thinking that I certainly 'know' Sir Jackie Stewart a whole lot better than I did before and that, I guess, makes the book a success.

Oh, but Jackie, getting a full health check at the Mayo Clinic every year to catch any physical problems that may be developing might be within your price range, but to reccommend that we all do it makes me think that you are not entirely in touch with the reality of the financial position of the average family. :)

The DVD is a nice touch too, by the way.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 13:40

1895 Paris-Bordeaux-Paris

Looks very interesting. Entry list and "lap chart" are amongst the freebies on the site.

#3199 RA Historian

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 15:15

Yes, being a writer myself, I do find that I tend to pull my punches as to a fellow writer's style, prose, etc. Perhaps professional courtesy, perhaps fear of getting gored in return! But where I draw the line is when it comes to facts. It annoys me greatly when I see such nonsense as races, dates, drivers, wins, etc. misidentified. Not to mention the occasional atrocities that I have seen such as the Sadler-Chev F-Libre said to have run in the 1963 USGP, and more recently in the Penske book, being told that turbochargers run on exhaust fumes, while all superchargers are powered by electric motors. The increased level of annoyance comes from the danger that these errors become taken for fact over time.

Of course, stuff does happen. I am embarassed that in an earlier book I misidentified a car driven by Hap Sharp. A case of taking what had been written by another as fact without checking it out. A lesson there....

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 17:07

Originally posted by ensign14
1895 Paris-Bordeaux-Paris

Looks very interesting. Entry list and "lap chart" are amongst the freebies on the site.

I'm glad it mentions the differences between the temps officiel and the temps réel!;) Might be worth a look...