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#3401 Vitesse2

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 20:56

Well, comparing pictures, I'd say you haven't looked at Weguelin's ERA book for a while! The stuff on top of it's changed, but it's still at exactly the same angle!

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#3402 Barry Boor

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 21:01

Blimey, I'm just a beginner..... :lol:

You'se guys must be REALLY well off, financially.

#3403 Vitesse2

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 21:07

Well, ens is - he's a lawyer (!). But neither of us is married ....

(Take that how you will!)

#3404 ensign14

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 21:12

Yeah, I'm so far behind on reading that I haven't got around to re-reading...I basically need a moratorium on writing for about four years. (It's a Sotheby's Ferrari catalogue on top now.

I don't drink or smoke. I think that helps.

#3405 sterling49

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 21:32

Originally posted by ensign14
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This doesn't include the magazines &c that are in the spare room...the "collector" books (Autocourses, Le Mans books and Black Books) in the lounge, or the other Billy case on the right which has motoring on the bottom shelf...


.....and I thought that I was bad....I have books and magazines in my bedroom, my sons and daughters bedrooms, my car boot, the spare cars boot, my mum's garage, her spare bedrooms, my garage, under the coffee table,by the pc........what I really need is a library to display them well,so I can select easily, what I wish to read or play, this would also be a good idea for my LPs,CDs,DVDs,Videos,Mini Discs and Cassette Tapes, do not mention hording please........;)

Ensign has managed that quite well :wave:

#3406 Doug Nye

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 22:23

No chaps - when it comes to sheer bibliographic chaos - you ain't seen nothing yet...

:cry:

#3407 sterling49

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 22:27

Originally posted by Doug Nye
No chaps - when it comes to sheer bibliographic chaos - you ain't seen nothing yet...

:cry:


I feel a photo opportunity approaching.....go for it Doug :lol:

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Posted 23 April 2008 - 23:00

Originally posted by sterling49
Ensign has managed that quite well :wave:


It's even sorted in context - on the top shelf is Brian Glanville's book about the European Cup, appropriately well out of reach.

#3409 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 01:15

I've had to put most of the library in a warehouse. Many years ago we had some very nice bookcases built which now house the best books (and I include many of DCN's in this group) for easy access, security and just showing off, but the majority has had to be moved out of the house. I enjoy Setright's work as well, so some of his are here, but mostly I'm a marque chauvinist so there are many volumes on Porsche (200+) and Ferrari (100+) and (auto)/biographies. I also have the complete Automobile Quarterly. I collect anything I can find about Goodwood as well.

I have far too many magazines to deal with, but I have managed to collect the complete Cavallino and Supercar Classics. These have had to go to the warehouse as well, but it is climate controlled to keep the demon mold away, and they are in cases.

I also have many of Jesse Alexander's books, have ordered the upcoming Dexter Brown book, and have reserved a special place to be occupied by the Doug Nye/Phil Hill book.

So, even though I have dedicated a generous amount of space for these books I have come to the realization that some rationalization is going to have to come to this obsession.

Jack.

#3410 Mark A

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:00

Originally posted by VWV
Mark A regarding "Inside IMSA's Legendary GTP Race Cars: The Prototype Experience"

From Mike Fuller at http://www.mulsannescorner.com/

Book update. I've been fielding quite a few questions regarding the IMSA GTP book and have been remise in the complete lack of updates. The book is currently with the printers and Motor Books International is indicating that the "warehouse" date is April 4(!!). That puts us about 5 months behind the original schedule and about 2 month behind the revised schedule.


Just had an email from Amazon to say this book is finally on it's way to me. Looking forward to reading this tomorrow.

#3411 ensign14

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:24

Originally posted by E.B.


It's even sorted in context - on the top shelf is Brian Glanville's book about the European Cup, appropriately well out of reach.

That's it, twist the knife... :(

I wouldn't have bought it, but motor racing needs its own Bruno Glanvilla.

#3412 Ted Walker

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 08:06

Shame the Hawthorn book isnt coming the pen of DCN.

#3413 flat-16

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:29

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Shame the Hawthorn book isnt coming the pen of DCN.


Taken from book's press release:

The chapter covering Mike's racing history is being contributed by expert award winning author, Doug Nye, a well known member of this forum. Doug is also a keen and knowledgeable long term Hawthorn fan, besides being a long-term resident of JMH's home town of Farnham. Doug in fact joined a number of people involved with the book in Farnham a couple of weeks back to tour some of Mike's old haunts. One of these was the Hawthorn family's Tourist Trophy Garage in East Street - this is covered in the book with as much detail as has been possible from inception to closure with lots of photos and memories from those who worked there.



#3414 Andrew Stevens

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 13:39

Had to start boxing up my library pending a move to the UK, packed up 30 boxes so far and still have three bookshelves to go... :( It takes a lot of discipline to just put the books in the boxes without leafing through them. That's before I pack up the Palawan stuff or the run of Motorsports from 1950s onwards or the set of C & S magazines etc etc. Working in a motoring bookshop has been like being dracula in the bloodbank! I'll have to get a job at Chaters or Motorbooks to keep the fix going!

#3415 Barry Boor

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 13:46

The chapter covering Mike's racing history

Only one?

What on earth is the rest of the book going to be about?

#3416 green-blood

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 14:22

life, love and fruit of the loom.... oh and hopefully the Aurellia

#3417 weisler

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 20:35

Originally posted by Mark A


Just had an email from Amazon to say this book is finally on it's way to me. Looking forward to reading this tomorrow.


I received this book earlier in the week, after months of anticipation. My first race I ever saw live was the IMSA event at Road America in 1987, so the GTP cars hold a special place in my heart.

The book is very well done IMO. I've read a couple of chapters so far. Picture quality is good, always room for improvement, but the insight to the cars is excellent. There is a great amount of information, and a lot of great quotes from the people who drove and designed the cars.

I definitely recommend this book, and think it’s a steal for the price I paid. :up:

#3418 petefenelon

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 20:39

Picked up the Graham Robson British Touring Car Racing In Camera on the way home from work today. Cracking stuff. Not too many words, but a lot of pictures. The photography and repro are generally excellent, with the colour stuff from the 60s being particularly splendid. Great mix of action, pit and paddock and the odd PR shot.

Goes right up to 2007, so historical purists might not find the Super Touring and BTC Touring eras to their taste - although the quality of the photography is often superb - the shots of Colin Turkington one-wheeling the MG and of the Astras in formation in the wet are as good as any of the historical material.

If there's a criticism I can level at the book perhaps there's not quite enough of the Sierra Cossies in it - that for me was the unmissable era of the BTCC and a bit more fire-breathing wouldn't go amiss. A couple of Goodwood Revival shots have slipped into the coverage of the Group 5 years, which again might irk purists.

(I suppose a second minor criticism is that the focus is strictly on the BTCC and its ancestors, so Special Saloons, Supersaloons and Thundersaloons don't get a look in - but that could be another fun little book...)

All in all though a great thing - a proper historical book about touring-car racing, with great pics, informative captions and good linking passages to introduce the chapters.

#3419 sterling49

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 21:23

Originally posted by petefenelon
Picked up the Graham Robson British Touring Car Racing In Camera on the way home from work today. Cracking stuff. Not too many words, but a lot of pictures. The photography and repro are generally excellent, with the colour stuff from the 60s being particularly splendid. Great mix of action, pit and paddock and the odd PR shot.


Another one for my list, the cover sells it alone!!! I have to admit that my real interest is probably up to about the early '80's, with a renewed flutter with the Ford attack with the Sierras.

Personally, I just love the stuff from the '60's, Broadspeed, Cooper Car Company, Superspeed, Alan Mann, George Bevan etc, etc.

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#3420 Alan Cox

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 09:35

Agreed, sterling, this cover should sell the book to many people, and if, as Pete suggests, it follows the trend set for this series by the sports car and F1 offerings, it must be good
http://www.haynes.co...RGBhr_H4469.jpg

Another forthcoming Haynes' title..

http://www.amazon.co...=266239&s=books

As an aside, I noted this bargain-priced volume currently listed
http://www.haynes.co...37009&langId=-1

#3421 petefenelon

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 16:38

Originally posted by Alan Cox
Agreed, sterling, this cover should sell the book to many people, and if, as Pete suggests, it follows the trend set for this series by the sports car and F1 offerings, it must be good
http://www.haynes.co...RGBhr_H4469.jpg

Another forthcoming Haynes' title..

http://www.amazon.co...=266239&s=books

As an aside, I noted this bargain-priced volume currently listed
http://www.haynes.co...37009&langId=-1


It's every bit as good as the Paul Parker 60s sports car book.

Re: the bargains - at £3.50 for that Ludvigsen, it's a no brainer. Worth it at the full price. There are some very good deals to be had:



Graham Robson on Cosworth for a fiver
Andrew Whyte's first volume on Jaguar sports racers for 13 quid
Alessandro Zanardi's autobiography for £1.99!!!!

#3422 sterling49

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 16:41

Thanks guys, really helpfull, more for mum's spare bedroom............ :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 April 2008 - 19:26

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Shame the Hawthorn book isnt coming [from] the pen of DCN.

Who :confused: And thanks for the vote of confidence :(

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:22

Picked up the Graham Robson British Touring Car Racing In Camera on the way home from work today. Cracking stuff. Not too many words, but a lot of pictures. The photography and repro are generally excellent, with the colour stuff from the 60s being particularly splendid. Great mix of action, pit and paddock and the odd PR shot.



Thanks for the glowing review on this book as it will now join my list of "wants". I was waiting to see a copy before making a decision as I didn't weant to buy it and discover that the majority of the photos from the sixties and seventies have already been seen in books such as "Ford in Touring Cars"

By the way I tend to agree with Sterling on the best years of the championship but the Sierra years were very good as well.

Glyn

#3425 petefenelon

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 13:36

Originally posted by glyn parham


Thanks for the glowing review on this book as it will now join my list of "wants". I was waiting to see a copy before making a decision as I didn't weant to buy it and discover that the majority of the photos from the sixties and seventies have already been seen in books such as "Ford in Touring Cars"

By the way I tend to agree with Sterling on the best years of the championship but the Sierra years were very good as well.

Glyn


The Ford book covers a broader scope - plenty there if you're into works Gp5 Capris in the WCM and DRM, more Sierra madness in WTCC/ETCC, Mr Zakowski's turbo Capris, the DTM etc.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 13:55

Whilst we are playing the "heads up" game, this popped up whilst I was amending my amazon wish list

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pre-order only at stg£75

anyone got the inside track

#3427 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 21:00

Well, those are both Klementaski pictures so klemcoll might know something ....;)

#3428 sterling49

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 21:26

Originally posted by glyn parham



By the way I tend to agree with Sterling on the best years of the championship but the Sierra years were very good as well.

Glyn


Glyn's so obviously a man of taste, not ten miles from mine :lol:

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 16:56

I have spoken to Haynes and they confirm it as due September at £75. It is too early to have any promo information available, which seems reasonable to me, but surprises me in view of the specialist nature of the subject. Does anyone know Mr Pritchard for a more detailed account?
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Posted 01 May 2008 - 08:55

The photographs are mainly sourced from the Daimler Benz and Audi Archives with some LAT and Klemantaski prints as well. A number of the photos haven't been seen in print for a while (if ever) and much of the definition is quite splendid. The uncreditted photographers, especially the Auto Union guys must have been very talented as well as having some high spec cameras for the day.

All the main races from 1934-39 are covered plus the Hillclimbs and record attempts. It isn't all Silver Arrows either, Anthony Pritchard is a long-term Alfa Romeo fancier so Portello and Modena's finest are in there too. A mouth watering collection :)

#3431 green-blood

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 09:28

sounds superb

#3432 red stick

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 14:08

Originally posted by weisler
I received this book earlier in the week, after months of anticipation. My first race I ever saw live was the IMSA event at Road America in 1987, so the GTP cars hold a special place in my heart.

The book is very well done IMO. I've read a couple of chapters so far. Picture quality is good, always room for improvement, but the insight to the cars is excellent. There is a great amount of information, and a lot of great quotes from the people who drove and designed the cars.

I definitely recommend this book, and think it’s a steal for the price I paid. :up:


I had similar feelings. My first live race was the 1991 IMSA event at New Orleans. The Eagles, Jaguars and Nissans were impressive machines, although they seemed trapped on a too tight street course. The book is a nice companion to the superior Prototypes which Martin co-authored, and presents good value at this price.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 16:54

Folks,

With the number of different books we may be discussing at any one time may I suggest we make an effort to say which book we are talking about when it's not the post immediately above.

I'm not pointing a finger at you, red stick, in particular so please don't take offence. It's a point I've been planning to make for a while and this is a good example of what I'm getting at. You have to scroll back 15 posts to find the post he's replying to and another 7 to find a post with the book title in it - and even then it's a quote of an earlier post on the previous page.

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:16

Originally posted by petefenelon


Re: the bargains - at £3.50 for that Ludvigsen, it's a no brainer. Worth it at the full price. There are some very good deals to be had:


Specially for D-Type, who makes a very good point, my copy of 'Classic Grand Prix Cars, the Front-Engined Era' came this morning. Perhaps inevitably it's a re-hash of an awful lot of stuff from other sources, but Karl Ludvigsen doesn't produce pot-boilers, so it's still an interesting read with lots of excellent pics I hadn't seen before. A real bargain at £3.50 from Haynes, get one while you can.

#3435 red stick

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:27

Originally posted by D-Type
Folks,

With the number of different books we may be discussing at any one time may I suggest we make an effort to say which book we are talking about when it's not the post immediately above.


No offense at all. That's a great idea. :up: I was referring to J.A. Martin's and Michael Fuller's recently published Inside IMSA's Legendary GTP Race Cars.

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 21:02

New book on Rick Mears by Gordon Kirby:

Rick Mears - Thanks

#3437 red stick

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Posted 03 May 2008 - 21:14

Originally posted by helioseism
New book on Rick Mears by Gordon Kirby:

Rick Mears - Thanks


Apparently only in softcover :( , but a welcome addition nevertheless.

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 00:04

Originally posted by D-Type

You have to scroll back 15 posts to find the post he's replying to and another 7 to find a post with the book title in it - and even then it's a quote of an earlier post on the previous page.

But apart from that it's quite straightforward then, Duncan? :D

You make a good point, so in future could everyone please reference the book they're posting about in order that comments are more trackable?

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 11:43

Originally posted by red stick
Apparently only in softcover :( , but a welcome addition nevertheless.


Why would the Kirby book on Mears being available only in softcover be a problem? Just curious since I seem to be missing the point.

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 12:38

Moi aussi
That 'criticism' would surely be made only by someone who buys books for reasons other than the information they contain

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 13:52

Or by somebody who wants to ensure that said information is kept in the best possible condition for as long as possible? A paperback is far more prone to disintegration. And 264 pages' worth of a paperback book that's nearly one square foot in size is not going to be easy to read comfortably, let alone being able to avoid cracking the spine. A hardback wouldn't have cost that much more to produce, surely?

#3442 red stick

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 15:24

Thank you ensign14, precisely so. I've enjoyed Kirby's previous books, Mears is my boyhood hero (in the same sense that some here idolize Moss and Villeneuve), and I anticipate returning to the book again and again. When the project was announced I envisioned something on the order of Kirby's prior books on Andretti and Rahal, both handsomely put together by David Bull in oversized hardbound editions, or his prior book on the Unsers. A softcover edition, Mr. Capps, is not a problem, per se, as any book on this subject by an author of this caliber is welcome; hardcover books, in my experience, are simply more durable. Since I doubt there are going to be a series of books on Mears, this volume will have to last.

#3443 red stick

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 16:55

On a more personal note, I've learned two things:

1. Ensign14 and I evidently share a profession, which perhaps colors our view of how to ensure that books last.
2. Drawing the attention of the forum's curmudgeon caucus is a bracing start to a Sunday morning. :D

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 17:24

While it's nice to see a Mears book (and Mears family no less), I wonder if it will be more along the lines of Kirby's Andretti book - many great photos, but mostly captions for the text. I also have to wonder how much it will cover father Bill and brother Roger.

And I wonder if there is any mention of a hot night in July 1973 at the then 1/4 paved Bakersfield Speedway when Rick, Roger and Bill (Pop) Mears got into a brawl with Jim Ward and his dad ;)

Or for that matter a photo of Rick in his 1957 Chevy stock car at Bakersfield Speedway?

Roger was a track champ in NASCAR Late Model Sportsman, Rick 20th in points.

#3445 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 16:25

Apparently, there is a book out on Minardi and its ill-fated foray into the fires of Mordor, er, ah, the fun & excitement of formula one. Generally, I give these sorts of books -- those on the current/recent sports/business activity known as formula one -- little to no thought and don't even bother to slow down, but....

....it is difficult not to have at least some interest in an outfit such as Minardi. As much as I loathe the general abomination that formula one has become in recent years, even I found it difficult to not keep an eye on outfits such as Minardi or Jordan or Arrows. They seemed to be almost totally out of place with the rest of the circus. There seemed to be a different sense of purpose for these teams. Naturally, being doomed and too often scorned and neglected, I thought they added something to an otherwise bland, uninteresting, and tasteless outing.

No clue as to the merits -- if any -- of the book, but I went ahead and ordered it anyway just for the hell of it.

#3446 ensign14

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 17:00

Augh...I had a quick look at it the other day and dismissed it, it seems to be solely about the F1 adventure (ignoring the years of F2 beforehand) and about 99% pictures. For photographic reference it would be fine, but really an F1 Rejects profile would be FAR better and involve more insight.

#3447 Mark A

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 17:40

Originally posted by Ted Walker
Re Memory Lanes. Just had a phone call from Peter Robinson to say "soft back books in the post next week"


Anyone seen Memory Lanes yet?
Ted's post was over 3 weeks ago and I've not seen my copy yet.

#3448 sterling49

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 18:02

Originally posted by Mark A


Anyone seen Memory Lanes yet?
Ted's post was over 3 weeks ago and I've not seen my copy yet.


I received an e-mail yesterday, apologising for the delay, and stating the my copy was posted yesterday, so I guess this wpould appliy to all orders held. Also stated that the wait should be worthwhile, as the print and picture quality is excellent. I cannot wait :D

#3449 fuzzi

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 19:24

The Classic Twin-cam Engine by Griffith Borgeson has been reprinted and is available once again.

Chaters have it on sale at £20.00 a bargain I could not resist. If you haven't read it and you believe the engine is the heart of any car then you probably should. It's worth the price for the story of the Charlatans & the Peugeot engine. :)

#3450 helioseism

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Posted 07 May 2008 - 19:41

Daryl E. Murphy's classic "Carrera Panamericana" has been republished in a second, smaller-format paperback edition using iUniverse, an Internet-based publishing company. Prospective authors might check it out as a way to get their material in print. Here's the link to the book, and you an easily get to the company pages from there.