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#51 JOMAR

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 18:34

To: Sharman
This has nothing to do with people throwing cars into water but to answer his comment at the end of his post dated August 3.

This is the earliest TVR pic I have. Taken Charterhall and showing Stan Hart - whose father was speedway rider Olly Hart - in his very early TVR.



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Dear Graham,
I'm wondering if you can send me a copy of that pix of the Hart car. I have a head on pix taken from Autosport mag. It says "Into Tofts Turn go Oliver Hart and his Climax TVR". I would love any othe pix you have of this or any other early Jomar/TVR for my files. Thanks very much.
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#52 MCS

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:33

Is this Oulton Park? Or somewhere else?

http://www.mikethebi...m/galleryb4.htm - scroll down to picture ITEM 4-4


#53 RJE

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 11:46

Don't I recall Cedric Brierley reversing an Elva into the lake at Mallory at high speed, and then running down the bonnet and jump onto dry land.

#54 RCH

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Posted 25 October 2010 - 18:47

I am reminded of poor Roger Chapple reading this thread. He was drowned when his Dolomite Sprint crashed into a dyke (drainage ditch) on the Somerset levels on a road rally. It was particularly poignant because he was a friend of my navigator and we had been chatting at the start of the previous rally.

#55 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 11:20

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Then there was the occasion when Bob Berry with his very fast Jaguar XK120 touched Irishman Joe Kelly's C type Jaguar at Knickerbrook. Berry managed to stop the car before it hit the water but Kelly's car went left and hit the BBC commentary box where I believe either Eric Tobbit or Neville Lloyd ( For modernists he was around long before the better known Neville Hay.) Said commentator was still waxing was the box shook and began to disintegrate. Kelly's C type did the same and I enclose my photo of what was left. For those interested that C type is now owned by Laguna Seca and Lime Rock historic organiser Steven Earle.

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Graham
Joe Kelly not only demolished the commentary box he killed a marshal and seriously injured a doctor.


The news of the unknown marshal's death are still uncertain.
According to several sources as the magazine MotorSport, issue of May 1955, newspaper "The Bulletin" (Glasgow, Scotland), four men including Joe Kelly which carrer came to an end after this accident, were severely injured.
Possibly one of the marshals died in the following days. But I'm not able to search reliable sources to find his name end/or details of his death.

#56 Morris S

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 23:24

Bob Smith put the Vitafoam Mini into the lake at Oulton in 1966, there's a photo of it partially submerged on this page ......

http://www.mountgree...ita_D_1966.html

The car was retrieved and raced a few weeks later by Paddy Hopkirk who can still remember the tide mark on the headlining. :lol:

Does anyone have any memories of Bob Smith ?

#57 Giraffe

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 13:51

Bob Smith put the Vitafoam Mini into the lake

The car was retrieved and raced a few weeks later by Paddy Hopkirk who can still remember the tide mark on the headlining. :lol:


Hardly surprising if the car had been submerged for a few weeks!

#58 john winfield

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 09:45

There were some good Capri battles in late 1970s touring cars. I don't remember anyone ending up in the Oulton Park or Mallory Park lakes, but I could be wrong.  This must have been a big off.  Even from Donington.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...mshire-33451410


Edited by john winfield, 09 July 2015 - 11:23.


#59 GMACKIE

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 10:08

In 1936 John Dutton accidentally drove his 30/98 Vauxhall into the 'Blue Lake' at Mt. Gambier, South Australia.

 

The interesting story is here :-  http://www.aquiferto...y/vauxhall.html

 

The 'Bue Lake' Vauxhall - as it is now known - is now fully restored, and lives near me.



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#60 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 13:01

Bob Smith put the Vitafoam Mini into the lake at Oulton in 1966, there's a photo of it partially submerged on this page ......

http://www.mountgree...ita_D_1966.html

The car was retrieved and raced a few weeks later by Paddy Hopkirk who can still remember the tide mark on the headlining. :lol:

Does anyone have any memories of Bob Smith ?

If it's the same Bob Smith, might be worth having a read of the George Humble thread.



#61 Dick Dastardly

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 13:06

I think Graham Hill went into the lake at Oulton in the Mk 11 Cortina Lotus. I know that a rally car went in completely on the 1971 R.A.C (From Harrogate It Started) but I am not sure if it was at Oulton or a stately home......I am working on the memory, it was an RS1600. The soundtrack I can remember "I can see for miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and miles.............." Brilliant :up:

 

1971 RAC, it was Peter Clarke / Tony Mason who went into the pond at Woburn Safari Park.......Stuart Turner said that incident got Ford more publicity than if they'd won. Somehow, Tony capitalised on this and was with Roger Clark the following year for their big win...

 

March 2015, on WRC Mexico. one of the M-Sport Fiestas dropped into a lake..........about 50 secs in  

 

and last year, a driver drowned when his car left the road on an Irish rally. 


Edited by Dick Dastardly, 09 July 2015 - 13:09.


#62 Graham Clayton

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Posted 16 July 2021 - 11:23

Paul Eaton managed to submerge his Eurocar V6 at Mallory in 1999, he arrived for the next round with a periscope fitted to the roof................ :lol:

 



#63 Paul Taylor

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Posted 16 July 2021 - 12:07

Wansborough's car in the lake: http://the-fastlane....iew&editid1=374

 

Roy Salvadori went into the drink back in 1962: http://the-fastlane....iew&editid1=366

 

And John Scott-Davies did the same in 1966: http://the-fastlane....ew&editid1=5808

 

Bob Smith's Mini partially submerged the same year: http://the-fastlane....ew&editid1=6044

 

Brian Hart JUST about avoided it in '64: http://the-fastlane....ew&editid1=6565



#64 GLaird

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Posted 16 July 2021 - 20:57

Sean Campbell rolled his Ascona 400 into the lake at the 1982 Lurgan Park Rally, driver (diver) and co driver wet, but unhurt.



#65 Myhinpaa

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Posted 16 July 2021 - 21:23

The ex-Maranello Concessionaries/Mike Parkes Ferrari Dino 206 S (006) ended up in a brook at Ring Knutstorp in Sweden in April '67

 

http://www.racepace....-1001-full.html

 

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The owner Gustav Dieden got a his nickname after that incident, "Gustav i Bäcken" ("Gustav in the Brook") and the brook is to this day called "Dieden River" (sic.)

Dieden had originally ordered a P3 from the Swedish Ferrari agent and paid a deposit, but that deal fell through and he was offered the Dino as an alternative.

 

Desperate to get a car for the coming season he accepted, Ring Knutstorp was the first event with the car... The damages were relatively light though.

The reason for the accident was that the sliding throttles stuck wide open down the straight before, both the housing and slide were made of aluminium..

 

The Ferrari agent persuaded Dieden to let him return the car to Maranello for repairs. The invoice presented on the car's return was roughly £25 000 in today's money!

 

Dieden eventually accepted to pay but sued the agent for what he saw as an extortionate markup. The car continued to give trouble as the engine had several design faults.

Crankshaft created very damaging vibrations at certain revs and there were quality problems with the aluminium in the block which cracked due to the vibrations.

 

The car was sold to a private team and the engine finally blew up properly, due to the very high cost for a replacement/rebuild they decided to fit a Volvo engine to it!

A 4-cylinder pushrod B20 from a Volvo 140 was chosen... They are quite tuneable though and 180-190bhp was possible, but it goes against the grain. Even in 1970..

 

https://www.racingsp...e/206S-006.html

 

 https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mc12/monaco/lots/r343-1966-ferrari-206-s-dino-spyder-by-carrozzeria-sports-cars/281041


Edited by Myhinpaa, 16 July 2021 - 23:29.


#66 john aston

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Posted 17 July 2021 - 06:14

What an exquisite car the 206S was . I saw my first, and only , in Tony Dean's hands at the Oulton Park Tourist Trophy in 1968. 

 

But putting a Volvo engine instead of that howling little V6 ... that merits  excommunication, if not worse  



#67 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 July 2021 - 10:15

The reason for the accident was that the sliding throttles stuck wide open down the straight before, both the housing and slide were made of aluminium..
 
The Ferrari agent persuaded Dieden to let him return the car to Maranello for repairs. The invoice presented on the car's return was roughly £25 000 in today's money!
 
Dieden eventually accepted to pay but sued the agent for what he saw as an extortionate markup. The car continued to give trouble as the engine had several design faults.
Crankshaft created very damaging vibrations at certain revs and there were quality problems with the aluminium in the block which cracked due to the vibrations.
 
The car was sold to a private team and the engine finally blew up properly


What an exquisite car the 206S was .

:drunk:



#68 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 08:30

What an exquisite car the 206S was . I saw my first, and only , in Tony Dean's hands at the Oulton Park Tourist Trophy in 1968. 

 

But putting a Volvo engine instead of that howling little V6 ... that merits  excommunication, if not worse  

If Enzos V6 was so good why did it break so often?? 

The Ovlov would seem to be an upgrade.