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  1. Good - Excellent use of the rules (39 votes [17.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.18%

  2. Bad - Shows no regard for fairness (168 votes [74.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.01%

  3. No opinion (20 votes [8.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.81%

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#1 slapstick

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 12:52

Filthy move from Alonso. :down:

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#2 wj_gibson

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 12:53

Well, there's objectivity for you!

#3 ClubmanGT

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 12:54

Well it noticably added to their laptimes...

#4 slapstick

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:02

Alonso spoiled Hamilton's latest lap. What did I say. :down:

#5 Bloggsworth

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:02

Come back Schumacher, you were quite fair really................

#6 ensign14

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:03

Alonso can't get out of the pits at Hungary. Stopping Hamilton from going past. Miraculously he gets out just in time for him to get a flying lap in but Hamilton is prevented from doing so.

Shall we give him the benefit of the doubt? Was he genuinely in mechanical difficulties?

Or was it a classless, selfish, manipulative and cowardly act to stop Hamilton getting pole position?

#7 Albert Quintana

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:03

In any case... it woulb be mclaren as a team the one to blame for that, isn't it?

#8 JazH

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:03

Alonso was class.

Its not against any regulation... :clap:

#9 kar

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:04

I guess Alonso took his speech at Monza last year literally.

That was very Schumacheresque, only Michael never did anything like that to his TEAMMATE :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#10 airwise

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:09

****ing cheat.

If Schumacher was sent to the back of the grid for denying his championship rival the chance to compete then so should he.

Disgusting and I hope Ron takes action of no one else does

#11 ensign14

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:38

Alonso wouldn't have had to do that if he thought he was quicker than Hamilton.

#12 Buttoneer

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:39

Tomorrows race is going to be absolute dynamite.

A 2x World Champ so scared of a rookie that he has to resort to this sort of tactic. Where's exxonvaldez when you need him?

#13 Zippity

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:40

What a gutless pr1ck.

Schumacher never ever stooped that low.

I hope that Hamilton takes him out in tomorrow's race.

#14 K-One

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:40

Originally posted by kar
I guess Alonso took his speech at Monza last year literally.

That was very Schumacheresque, only Michael never did anything like that to his TEAMMATE :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Exactly, not even MS resorted to this

Quite sad from him actually - when he doens't match his rookie teammate, he has to resort to something like this. To Alonso, sportmanship is unknown quality

#15 Cenotaph

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:40

McLaren will have to explain why they took all that time in the pit... and just by chance they happen to exit in front of kimi...

and if it is confirmed that Alonso did it on purpose to ruin Hamilton's chances, then... back of the grid is the only solution.

#16 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:40

What happened today showed me everything about what kind of a man Alonso is. Pathetic, little weasel, who deserves nothing. I hope Ron ****s him back and bigtime.

#17 lukywill

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:41

[senna mode]

we love you alonso! :up: :smoking:

[/senna mode]

:lol:

#18 inca_roads

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:41

Maybe he doesn't realise, but the telemetry read outs from his car will surely prove if he made any attempt to get away.

Disgusting behaviour - He knew Hamilton was likely to take pole, and that he would be on the dirty side. So he cheated himself out the situation, and simply robbed Hamilton of pole. I think that will be proven to be true.

#19 VoidNT

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:41

It is not because of Hamilton. Alonso's relationship with the team and especially Ron is the clue.

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#20 Bloggsworth

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:41

Sorry, that should count the same as deliberately blocking someone on a fast lap - It was clearly quite deliberate, you could see him checking his mirrors to see where Hamilton was. Ron Dennis chucking his cans down was a dead give-away that this was no part of McLaren's strategy - At a guess, Alonso may have been advised on what to do by his trainer, and Dennis overheard, hence the "Words" at the end of the session.

#21 sterling49

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JazH
Alonso was class.

Its not against any regulation... :clap:
[/QUOTE

It's not against the regulations, but it is not sporting and hardly cricket old chap, Lewis must have Alonso seriously worried to pull a stunt like that.

#22 Wolbo

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

It was hilarious to see the looks on the faces of the McLaren team. They had just won a qualifying 1-2 and, given how hard it is to overtake at the Hungaroring, should be over the moon with joy but instead looked like they had just heard they'd been excluded from the championship. Priceless.

#23 Hyatt

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

:down: Alonso ... dirty dirty .... Flav please take him back ASAP! the first 1-2 i cant enjoy :mad:

#24 mclarensmps

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

Rock and a hard place for mclaren, they need both their drivers on the front row, so they have to make an excuse for alonso, and they have to watch out for (rightly) pissed of hamilton (and his fans).

Dick move by fred, just as I gained a slight amount of respect for him :down: :down:

#25 carbonfibre

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

If Michael did something it was directly to his rival and ontrack.

Alonso is scared of Hamilton there is no doubt about it and by the reaction of Ron Dennis there is no denying the fact that Ron was very very pissed off with Alonso.

Alonso is making himself impossible within McLaren. It wouldnt surprise me if Hamilton might give Alonso a nice "gentle" slap into his sidepod tomorrow...

#26 AndreasF1

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:42

Alonso sucks. The hypocrite bitches at MS move in Monaco and then pulls the same stunt on his teammate. He cant beat Hamilton in a straight fight. What a looser :down: :down: :down:

#27 Henrik B

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

Originally posted by ensign14
Shall we give him the benefit of the doubt? Was he genuinely in mechanical difficulties?


No, NOT mech difficulties, he said at the PC it was the team that held him. Do we believe him? Not entirely, because the universal sign that it's time to go is the lollipop going up.... And it did. At his first stop, when they also waited for free air, the lollipop was down until he could go.

#28 Aramchek

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

Alonso today has left me without a driver to follow.

He has been inmense those last years, but today he have lost my credit.

A sad day. :| :| :|

#29 CSinUK

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

Well I'm no longer an Alonso fan. Enough said............

#30 ensign14

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

I wonder whether Ron might just be tempted to let Prodrive have a driver with a couple of world titles under his belt?

#31 Tuffy

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

Originally posted by airwise
****ing cheat.

If Schumacher was sent to the back of the grid for denying his championship rival the chance to compete then so should he.

Disgusting and I hope Ron takes action of no one else does


Will you really compare stopping and blocking a track with the situation today? Even you shouldn't know if there is any trouble or misjudgeing within the team.

#32 BiH

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:43

was the lollipop up when Alonso was waiting in the pits I didn't catch that if it was up then Emonso did it him self not his engineers decision like he said in press conference :rotfl: :rotfl:

#33 Peter

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:44

Ron Dennis's face was a picture, as was his attitude as he walked down the pit lane.

If Ron is a clean as he claims to be, He should be going to the stewards to ask for Alonso to be disqualified.

As far as I am concerned, this is JUST as bad as Schumacher in Monaco, as Alonso should be given the same penalty.

#34 Chris G.

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:44

2007 F1 lineup: 21 adults, 1 Spanish baby.

#35 mach4

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:44

Read this on the speedtv forums:

According to German TV Alonso's trainer who was on the pit wall told him not to go as there was a car going down the start straght, thats why Ron Dennis grabbed Alonso's trainer off the pitwall after the session.

The team were radioing Alonso to go but his trainer had his mic open & was telling Alonso to wait so the teams communications didn't get through.



IF it Alonso did it on purpose though, it was pretty smart and well executed. (but of course unethical)

#36 K-One

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:45

Originally posted by Aramchek
Alonso today has left me without a driver to follow.

He has been inmense those last years, but today he have lost my credit.

A sad day. :| :| :|


:up:

#37 Hyatt

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:45

Originally posted by BiH
was the lollipop up when Alonso was waiting in the pits I didn't catch that if it was up then Emonso did it him self not his engineers decision like he said in press conference :rotfl: :rotfl:


yep, lollipop was up, but Alonsi waited for a sign from one of his guys ... (the one that Dennis took aside then)

#38 prty

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:45

Why isn't McLaren happy? They say they only want 1-2's, and don't care which driver is first!

#39 Timstr11

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:45

I have lost ALL respect for Alonso.

What the hell is his personal trainer doing on the pitwall. Apparently he was telling Alonso not to go..WTF?

The FIA must investigate this. It is the same as blocking someone on track.

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#40 Wolbo

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:46

Originally posted by Zippity
Schumacher never ever stooped that low.

That's a meaningless statement. Schumacher made sure Ferarri was a one man team so he would never be in a position in the first place where he could be seriously challenged by his team mate. So there was never a need for him to apply these kind of tactics. That's of course assuming this was indeed a deliberate ploy by our amigo Alonso.

#41 f1rules

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:46

Ron should set that idiot alonso straight, he just made schumacher look like a boyscout,
and to thoose who are alonso fans, dont even try to justify his actions, you could see on rons reaction who were to blame,

#42 Tomecek

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:46

Originally posted by BiH
was the lollipop up when Alonso was waiting in the pits?

For about 10 seconds, indeed more than Hamilton needed to catch hs flying lap.

#43 Anomnader

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Originally posted by Zippity
What a gutless pr1ck.

Schumacher never ever stooped that low.

I hope that Hamilton takes him out in tomorrow's race.


Never stooped that low?

This was nothing compared to MS antics, if it had being the other way, MS at this moment would be getting praised.

#44 DCult

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

This will piss off Bernie for sure ... :lol:

#45 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Originally posted by prty
Why isn't McLaren happy? They say they only want 1-2's, and don't care which driver is first!

Because one of their drivers deliberately screwed the other one.
You dont seem to have a problem with this though.

#46 Tomecek

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Originally posted by mach4
Read this on the speedtv forums:


IF it Alonso did it on purpose though, it was pretty smart and well executed. (but of course unethical)

Since when more that one dedicated person (and maybe team boss) talks to drivers via microphone?

#47 Hyatt

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Alsono poisons the team he drives for ... disgusting

#48 alexvivi

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

DonĀ“t like the bad games of Alonso, but in the first stop he stay like 40 seconds waiting, and after the tyre...

#49 inca_roads

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Originally posted by mach4
Read this on the speedtv forums:


IF it Alonso did it on purpose though, it was pretty smart and well executed. (but of course unethical)


Because of course, personal trainers trump your race engineer and team boss, and indeed the entire rest of the pit wall when it comes to racing decisions...

#50 ingegnere

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Posted 04 August 2007 - 13:47

Originally posted by Albert Quintana
In any case... it woulb be mclaren as a team the one to blame for that, isn't it?


Too bad for Lewis, but seeing Dennis fume... priceless.

Pretty ironic how Hakkinen recently claiming McLaren know how to handle their drivers. First Montoya leaves mid-season, and now it looks like Alonso is doing everything to get fired!