Nurburgring Nostalgia 2007
Posted 13 August 2007 - 21:21
Posted 14 August 2007 - 06:53
Posted 14 August 2007 - 08:53
But Saturday and Sunday were magnificent, I got sunburned like I've never been before, this is how I look now:
Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:16
Needless to say, everything was cancelled on Friday on both GP circuit and Nordschleife. That is why some races on Saturday had to start without any practice or qualifying! The organizers therefore decided to do three warm-up laps behind the pace car so the drivers could at least familiarize themselves with the circuit a little.
Saturday morning was also foggy, but when the sun came through it was hot indeed!
Posted 14 August 2007 - 10:58
Posted 14 August 2007 - 16:37
Posted 14 August 2007 - 17:17
Posted 14 August 2007 - 17:21
Originally posted by Rob Semmeling
100 metres? Try 20!
Reminds me of a race back in 1996 or 1997: Impossible to complete a timed lap during practice due to electrical problems, talked organisers into letting me start from the back of the grid - and on Sunday morning things looked like on Rob's picture. By 10am it was anounced races would be shortened and by 1pm or so prices were finally awarded based on practice times and they wished us a safe trip back ...
Except that that happened late in October - not early August !
Posted 14 August 2007 - 19:35
Originally posted by Stirling
I understand that the new Jaguar XF was also on display, and was wondering if you saw it? If so, I wonder what you made of it? In particular, if it had been debadged would you have immediately identified it as a Jaguar upon first sight in the metal?
No sorry, I was 'only' four hours at the Ring and took pics in the pits. The Paddock was quite crowded at 11:00. I did see Pedro917 (catching his sunburn) whizz by when I was under a F1. But I couldnt trace him back again (sorry Pedro!).
Posted 15 August 2007 - 09:50
There was a Fangio tribute (it was 50 years ago that he won in the Maserati 250F) and I believe there were 8 Maserati 250 entries in the GP cars till 1960 race. One Maserati 250F did a demo run with Peter Heuberger at the wheel. He told me it was the Maserati that Fangio drove to victory in 1957 and that he didn't race it. That would be chassis 2529 then. Can someone confirm this?
Here are pictures of the demo run :
Shot with Canon EOS 10D
Posted 15 August 2007 - 19:33
Peter Heuberger ran his own 2526 (Monaco winner with Stirling Moss)
PS.; If I had ample opportunity to verify the identity of 2526, I had no opportunity to check if car #1 was indeed 2529 belonging to Hartmut Ibing.
Posted 15 August 2007 - 19:57
I made the very long trip from Vancouver to the Oldtimer GP. Just back Monday evening.
I can confirm that the above three pictures posted by Pedro 917 are in fact of chassis 2529 and it is the same car that Fangio won the German GP with in 1957 - 50 years ago. The car was recently sold to a yet unidentified owner and has recently undergone a restoration to replicate its 1957 German GP appearance.
The driver here is Lukas Huni who ran demo laps on the new GP circuit both Saturady and Sunday. Lukas Huni, Peter Heuberger and a few others in 250F's did a parade of the Nordschleife Sunday morning before most people were awake.
All told there were 11 250F's present, of which three were Cameron Millar Replicas.
2507, 2508, 2521, 2522/23/26, 2525, 2529, 2531 V-12, 2534, CM-5, CM-7, & CM-8.
Posted 15 August 2007 - 20:13
Posted 16 August 2007 - 00:32
Very nice pictures. Nice looking car isn't it?
No, not a competitor. I just went to see all my 250F's.
Thanks for asking.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 00:59
Would you identify soon the new owner of the 2529?
Could you tell us then?
I am very interested
By the way, CM-9 replica is the one the Juan Manuel Fangio Museum has.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 05:31
Originally posted by Pablo Vignone
By the way, CM-9 replica is the one the Juan Manuel Fangio Museum has.
In addition to CM3, which they have had for some years?
Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:59
Only trhing readable is GTX on the cold air box.
This car is nor represented on the thumbnails.
I hope that someone can identify this car.
Thks in advance.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 08:30
Posted 16 August 2007 - 08:44
Funny, the driver is my neighbour Paul Grant who raced and unfortunately crashed his usual mount, the Cooper Bristol.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 09:29
# 2534 - Jos Koster
# 2526 - Peter Heuberger
# 2531 - Werner Max
# 2507 - Klaus Edel
# 2521 - Frank Stippler
# 2508 - Josef Otto Rettenmaier
# 2525 - Tom Price
Posted 16 August 2007 - 10:29
Glad to hear you've returned safely from your transatlantic trip.
One question - Isn't David Wenman's CM replica "CM-6", rather than "CM-5"?
Posted 16 August 2007 - 11:30
But you shouldn't believe all you read in the programme
2534 was driven by Max Werner, and 2531 by his brother Moritz
Posted 16 August 2007 - 12:02
Posted 16 August 2007 - 12:09
Great photos Pedro. David is correct with the names. It wasn't known publically until late Friday that Jos Koster was not feeling well so stayed home. Max Werner was asked to drive his car (2534). Max's younger brother Moritz stepped in to drive the V-12 2531. Burkhard von Schenk could not make the event so professional driver Frank Stippler was 'hired' to drive Schenk's 2521.
Adam. Cameron Millar replicas CM-5 & CM-6 were sold as 'kit' cars to new owners over 25 years ago. Neither were completed until the early to mid 1990's. Cameron intended that the T-1 in Scotland be CM-5 and the English T-3 car be CM-6 although neither were tagged. CM-6 was completed first and was then sold in a 1993 Brooks auction as CM-6. Shortly after a tag welded on the car proclamed it as CM-5. Cameron intended to straighten this out but newer got around to it. Nothing much has happened in recent years but under David Wenman's ownership their has been much publicity for the car as CM-5. I was trying to get together with David Wenman at the OGP to discuss the issue and see if anything had been arranged with the Scotish car.
By strick chronology the manufacture of the T-1 frame preceeded the T-3 frame by a year or two.
I don't think anyone is too concerned as long as they both don't try and be CM-5. The only fly in the ointment historically is the fact that the Wenman car was sold in 1993 as CM-6.
I hope that explains it, be it somewhat brief.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 13:16
I hope to see some interesting cars at Lime Rock in a few weeks !!
Posted 16 August 2007 - 14:08
Posted 16 August 2007 - 16:31
Am I right, Barrie, in thinking that it was daubed on after practice by a mechanic using a pot of yellow whitewash (if you can have such a thing) as an aid to identification, and wasn't the fine quality gloss paint finish that we see today?
Posted 16 August 2007 - 19:38
For the 1957 race, yes, the yellow nose band was added after the first practice. That is why you will often see pictures of the car without the yellow. I'm not sure how it was applied back then but it appeared to be 'better' that simply whitewash. The other team cars also had their noses painted by raceday. Behra had a blue nose and Schell had white while Scarlatti's was left alone. There may or may not be any connection with some tracks requirements for national identification. Hence yellow for Argentina, blue for France, white for America and red for Italy. On the otherhand it may purely have been to help the team identify the cars at a distance. This identification was done at a few venues in 1957.
As for the car we see today, Capricorn Engineering prepared the car with a somewhat flat finish. A mixture of talcum powder in the paint. For althought the surface of 2529 is now flawless, it did have a more period look of a "new" 50's paint job. The numbers on the car were painted using an off white colour to go along with the overall period look. The instrument panel was rebuilt to look as it did in 1957 and was also roughed up to give a period finish rather than the mirror finish we see in some cars.
Hope that helps.
Posted 16 August 2007 - 21:43
Did you make pictures of the # 11 Indy roadster that is in the background of the first Picture?
I took these :
Posted 16 August 2007 - 22:18
CM5 - David Wenman entry - not seen on track
CM7 - Allan Miles entry
CM8 - Georg Kaufmann entry
Posted 19 August 2007 - 07:32
Thks in advance.
Posted 19 August 2007 - 12:44
Posted 19 August 2007 - 13:45
Posted 19 August 2007 - 17:30
Thank you for your permission to use your lovely pictures at the Internetsite Racecar Collection. Ich have build them into the slideshow AVD Oldtimer Grand Prix 2007 .......
Posted 19 August 2007 - 18:32
Posted 01 August 2008 - 14:02
Also, I'll be there for my first ever visit, so I'd be grateful for any tips on where to be, what not to miss and what to avoid that those who have visited in previous years might care to share.
Thanks in advance!
Posted 01 August 2008 - 15:09
Posted 02 August 2008 - 17:28
I'd rather suggest to arrange a meeting at the paddock door to enter the press room, i.e. at the beginning of the building (coming out of the Coca Cola Kurve), about 45 minutes after the end of the races on the Nordschleife, if the weather will grace us.
Posted 02 August 2008 - 18:02