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[Repco von Brabham]

Brands Hatch, 1981 ...

I was there, two feet to the left of Ayrton...

Remember this..??,
Ayrton and my friend Enrique Mansilla... like Rocky Balboa..
Sergio Rinland and me, avoid the box championship this day...

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Repco von Brabham

Remember this..??,

Oh yes! Quique and I became house-mates not long after this took place, and naturally we spoke about it a few times.

Senna da Silva - as he was then known - basically didn't like being beaten; plain and simple! But who does?! Quique, like Tommy B, didn't take any s**t from the bloke.

A good job that I wasn't there on the scene myself, quite frankly...

[Tim Murray]

This was at Mallory, not Brands, surely?

[Twin Window]

I think you may be right, Tim. And in fact I might even have been in one of the support races. But I wasn't there on the spot, as it were.

[paulsenna1]

Also a good job he wasn't beaten very often...

Surely he called himself Ayrton da Silva in '81. Senna da Silva was an earlier incarnation from his karting days.

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by Tim Murray
This was at Mallory, not Brands, surely?

YES, is Mallory Park..., SORRY,

I apologise by my soft memories,..

[Tim Murray]

No apology necessary, Enrique. Have you got any other good stories about Ayrton - did you ever race against him?

[John Saunders]

Originally posted by paulsenna1
Also a good job he wasn't beaten very often...

Surely he called himself Ayrton da Silva in '81. Senna da Silva was an earlier incarnation from his karting days.

He was definitly using the full Ayrton Senna da Silva in 82 when I ran a car in FF2000 for Mike Brett.

[Repco von Brabham]

Ohhh..., those happy times in England..

Quique and me was in very rigth road for the F1.., believe me!!!

(Before the Fulklands bussines..)

[RDV]

Hey RvB, where's Quique nowadays? ...havent had any news for years...

[FLB]

I've always wondered what happened to him after his few starts in CART. He's definitely one that seems to have passed through the net.

[biercemountain]

What's the story behind the picture? Senna's in street clothes and Enrique's in a racing suit.

[Tim Murray]

This incident happened after the FF race at Mallory Park on 22 March 1981. On the last lap Senna, in second place, got through Gerrards slightly quicker than leader Mansilla (his team mate) and got alongside, only to be (according to Autosport) 'unceremoniously edged off onto the grass by the Argentine and angrily had to settle for second place'.

Presumably Senna had had time to change out of his overalls, but still retained sufficient anger to do what he did. Obviously not a man whose temper cooled quickly.

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by Tim Murray
This incident happened after the FF race at Mallory Park on 22 March 1981. On the last lap Senna, in second place, got through Gerrards slightly quicker than leader Mansilla (his team mate) and got alongside, only to be (according to Autosport) 'unceremoniously edged off onto the grass by the Argentine and angrily had to settle for second place'.

Presumably Senna had had time to change out of his overalls, but still retained sufficient anger to do what he did. Obviously not a man whose temper cooled quickly.

The issue was on this way:

My friend Quique won the race, and come on in his box., steped-out os his car, and Sergio and me began to congratulations him, hang to him., and 10 minutes later, Ayrton come on and happen this thing:

Ayrton: Vocé esta maluco? argentino de mierda, como me vas hacer eso!!!
Quique Mansilla: Paráaa pibe, a mi no me toqués, brazuca cagón..!!, aprendé a perder, boludo!!
Ayrton: Yo te voy a romper la cara idiota., que mierda te crees???
Quique Mansilla: No me toques porque te rompo la cara., sacame las manos, ó...
Enrique Benamo: Paren carajo!!.., flaco vós tranquilo., paraaaaaá., soltalo, déjense de joderrr!!!!
Ralph Firman: Stop, stop., you both morans.., don't heard me????
Enrique Benamo: Sergio, agarralo a este boludo.,
(Rinland catch to Ayrton and leave 10 feet to the back).

Sorry for the Spanish languaje, but was in Spanish this incident.., I don't want to translate him.., BECAUSE the translation lost the "essence" of this memorable issue..,

Is like a Italian movie., the "essence" of the movie are in the language..,;) if you translate, the essence is lost.,

[275 GTB-4]

Does mierda mean what I think it means??

[Repco von Brabham]

[275 GTB-4]

Originally posted by Repco von Brabham

They say Spanish is one of the easiest languages to learn...this exchange above gets worse the more you read it.....does maluco really mean what I think it means!! (very similar to the Greek)?

[Repco von Brabham]

In this time, Ayrton was called "Ayrton Da Silva"., not Senna yet.,

I remenber clearely., in the magazine "Corsa" the title "Da Silva complica las aspiraciones de Victor Rosso".,
In English, is "Da Silva disturb the Victor Rosso possibilities".,

Regards

[Andre Acker]

Maluco (Portuguese word) means crazy, Loco in Spanish.

I never liked this Ayrton Senna guy, I have the impression that he thought that everybody had to give way to him. Perhaps he did not know that the public do not go to circuits to see 2 or 3 cars racing.
Also, his behaviour when Prost did not admit him at Williams (1993, I think) was unbelivable, he said he had to get the best car ! Everybody want the best car ! And he forgot that he refused Derek Warwick at Lotus in 1995 !
Too selfish.
Just a Daddy's little son, as we say here.
Or the Prima Donna of Milan Scala Theatre.

VBR.
André Acker.

[huayra]

Enrique, Want more pics from that time....
Is it true that when you went to buy the Argos, Sergio said to De Guidi that was a Rubbish chassis?... And then you turn it to rubbish ne way.?

PICS PLIS

www.balbiani.com

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by huayra
Enrique, Want more pics from that time....
Is it true that when you went to buy the Argos, Sergio said to De Guidi that was a Rubbish chassis?... And then you turn it to rubbish ne way.?

PICS PLIS

www.balbiani.com

Ha haa., you was talk too much with Sergio Rinland., dont' you??

Ohhh... that old times., I had there half foot over a Ensingn car, but the f*****g Falklands War...,

If the war don`t happen, now in this forum we have discussions over the campaigns of Mansilla and Enrique Benamo in the 80's F1...,

True, amigo...

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by Repco von Brabham

If the war don`t happen, now in this forum we have discussions over the campaigns of Mansilla and Enrique Benamo in the 80's F1...,

True, amigo...

Very true, Enrique - I'll vouch for that as I was there at the time...

[lil'chris]

Politicians eh !

Thatcher

Galtieri :

( Barry Boor for Chancellor )

[Barry Boor]

You can't seriously want a Monster Raving Loony at #11.

Mmmm... Then again.......

[lil'chris]

My recommendation of Barry as Chancellor of course being based on comment 883 of the TNF badge thread ( just in case no one knows what I'm on about !).

[ghinzani]

Originally posted by Repco von Brabham


The issue was on this way:

My friend Quique won the race, and come on in his box., steped-out os his car, and Sergio and me began to congratulations him, hang to him., and 10 minutes later, Ayrton come on and happen this thing:

Ayrton: Vocé esta maluco? argentino de mierda, como me vas hacer eso!!!
Quique Mansilla: Paráaa pibe, a mi no me toqués, brazuca cagón..!!, aprendé a perder, boludo!!
Ayrton: Yo te voy a romper la cara idiota., que mierda te crees???
Quique Mansilla: No me toques porque te rompo la cara., sacame las manos, ó...
Enrique Benamo: Paren carajo!!.., flaco vós tranquilo., paraaaaaá., soltalo, déjense de joderrr!!!!
Ralph Firman: Stop, stop., you both morans.., don't heard me????
Enrique Benamo: Sergio, agarralo a este boludo.,
(Rinland catch to Ayrton and leave 10 feet to the back).

Sorry for the Spanish languaje, but was in Spanish this incident.., I don't want to translate him.., BECAUSE the translation lost the "essence" of this memorable issue..,

Is like a Italian movie., the "essence" of the movie are in the language..,;) if you translate, the essence is lost.,

I tell you what, when I put it in Babelfish it definately got lost!

Last I recall of Mansilla was being very quick briefly in CART in 85 then having a big crash at Pocono or Sanair?

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by ghinzani

I tell you what, when I put it in Babelfish it definately got lost!

[Lotus23]

Enrique, you're certainly right about World Events playing havoc with one's timing. Had it not been for my being sent to the Great Southeast Asia War Games, the 23 and I would've been in the SCCA Runoffs. Indianapolis waited...and still does!

I knew a doc, now deceased, who backed Batista in Cuba. As a result, he had to flee for his life when Castro came to power. Doc had been a neurosurgeon in Havana; ended up in the U.S. not knowing a word of English; picked tomatoes for the first couple of weeks he was here.

Stuff happens, doesn't it?

[Andrew Kitson]

Senna didn't just get angry with Mansilla, ask Rick Morris. Re: Silverstone GP Esso race.
I think he learnt a lot from his friend Chico Serra who never ever thought he was in the wrong,
even if he had put the guy alongside him fully onto the grass deliberately. Dirty tactics.

[Red Socks]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lil'chris
[B]Politicians eh !

Thatcher

~Some mistake here surely

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by huayra
Enrique, Want more pics from that time....

PICS PLIS

You want, you have..!!

Snetterton, 1981

From the left to the rigth: (males)
Quique Mansilla, Sergio Rinland, and Enrique Benamo.,
Victor Rosso are inside the car.

[huayra]

Esa es cuando sergio se tuvo que afeitar el bigote por que vos habias ganado no?

Abrazo y ahora lo llamo... espero no joderlo.

[Repco von Brabham]

Originally posted by huayra
Esa es cuando sergio se tuvo que afeitar el bigote por que vos habias ganado no?

Abrazo y ahora lo llamo... espero no joderlo.

[Barry Boor]

I agree!

[Repco von Brabham]

I agree!

[Repco von Brabham]

That's the lost picture.,

[arttidesco]

I wonder if Ayrton ever played cricket ?

[Repco von Brabham]