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#51 Paul Prost

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 21:50

Originally posted by pacificquay

Ron Dennis may be many things, but buttoned-down and conservative he is not.


Is this the same Ron Dennis who disapproves of his employees having unkempt facial hair?

The same Ron Dennis who supposed gets the gravel in his driveway cleaned?

These aren't criticisms.. I've got a lot of time for Ron... mere observations.

BTW was it Matt Bishop who wrote the rather bizarre article how Jenson Button's 1st lap at the Nurburgring this year was possibly the best ever lap in the history of F1?!?

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#52 merlyn6

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 21:53

I’m going to miss the Bish, I’ve always enjoyed his reports. I especially got a kick out of the article on Ralph…………..”Out you fuck”…………that was priceless.

#53 Andy Van De Burgt

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 21:54

price, relevance and depth.



Price - that's a Haymarket decision, not mine

Relevance - given that you have said in previous posts that you don't read it, how can you know how relevant it is?

Depth - what form of motorsport is there that we don't cover that deserves our attention?

This is probably more pertinent to my comments in the other thread, but are you suggesting with a straight face that the 2007 circulation numbers are going to reverse the general decline of circulation of the past 5 years?



Autosport circulation peaked at the end of the Mansell/Hill era (1997). It is no coincidence that our rise in sales mirrors British (Lewis Hamilton's) success. Given that he could have a decade or more as a potential world championship contender, I'm optimistic that this trend could continue.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:01

kar :wave:

Erm, what is "bourgeois self indulgence" in writing, and how does it differ from the other, ostensibly classless writerly self-indulgence, or for that matter, from its proletarian variant?

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:06

Originally posted by Paul Prost


Is this the same Ron Dennis who disapproves of his employees having unkempt facial hair?

The same Ron Dennis who supposed gets the gravel in his driveway cleaned?

These aren't criticisms.. I've got a lot of time for Ron... mere observations.

BTW was it Matt Bishop who wrote the rather bizarre article how Jenson Button's 1st lap at the Nurburgring this year was possibly the best ever lap in the history of F1?!?


I think it was. :rotfl: The comedy value of that article was enormous. :rotfl:

#56 Risil

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:24

Originally posted by Zmeej
kar :wave:

Erm, what is "bourgeois self indulgence" in writing, and how does it differ from the other, ostensibly classless writerly self-indulgence, or for that matter, from its proletarian variant?


Have you picked up a copy of the Daily Worker recently? Their in-depth coverage of dialectical struggle between the bourgeios Hamilton (and his collusion with the unrepresentative, oppressive Mclaren regime) and the politically-awakened proletarian Alonso, and his commitment to the revolutionary cause via a dogged programme of civil disobedience and industrial disruption, was particularly inspiring.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:27

Originally posted by Risil


Have you picked up a copy of the Daily Worker recently? Their in-depth coverage of dialectical struggle between the bourgeios Hamilton (and his collusion with the unrepresentative, oppressive Mclaren regime) and the politically-awakened proletarian Alonso, and his commitment to the revolutionary cause via a dogged programme of civil disobedience and industrial disruption, was particularly inspiring.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

#58 Dudley

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 22:57

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt

Depth - what form of motorsport is there that we don't cover that deserves our attention?

Autosport circulation peaked at the end of the Mansell/Hill era (1997). It is no coincidence that our rise in sales mirrors British (Lewis Hamilton's) success. Given that he could have a decade or more as a potential world championship contender, I'm optimistic that this trend could continue.


Forgive me, I don't buy the mag that regularly so this may have changed but... MotoGP? It's on the site, never seen it in the mag.

As for the declined circulation since 1997, that's all mags regardless of merit. PC Format is arguably not that much different to 1996. It costs the same as it did in 1996.

Readership? 25% of the 1996 figure.

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 23:01

Originally posted by Dudley


Forgive me, I don't buy the mag that regularly so this may have changed but... MotoGP? It's on the site, never seen it in the mag.

As for the declined circulation since 1997, that's all mags regardless of merit. PC Format is arguably not that much different to 1996. It costs the same as it did in 1996.

Readership? 25% of the 1996 figure.


In the words of a wise man-"Welcome to the world of the internet my friend!"

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 23:41

one advice to Ron: just make sure Matt doesn't bring with him any confidential info from F1Racing

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:32

Originally posted by Dudley


Forgive me, I don't buy the mag that regularly so this may have changed but... MotoGP? It's on the site, never seen it in the mag.


It was a decision that, correct me if I am wrong, the editors of the internet side made... and its only for Dorna's version of motorcycle racing (Grand Prix) and nothing else. In my opinion, nothing wrong with that. It's nice to have an alternative source for motorcycle news, and having Toby Moody as a correspondent is great.

I wish there was an English language internet/magazine version of Autosport for bikes...

#62 Sakae

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:39

Spinnster is in.

#63 Mat

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:41

i hope Ron takes all those stupid shirts he wears off him. No he's got a real uniform!

#64 BorderReiver

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:56

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt


Depth - what form of motorsport is there that we don't cover that deserves our attention?


BriSCA!

No?

What's that?

What do you mean "No-one cares!"?!?!?!?;).

#65 Blythy

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 00:58

I wish there was an English language internet/magazine version of Autosport for bikes...

erm, to my knowledge the only motorbike magazines that have anything to do withsport are MCN, and trials and motorcross (or something like that) Everything else is consumer and lifestyle (BIKE etc). Both of them are newspaper format (like motorsport news).

as a side note to all this magazine talk, that pcformat thing is probably getting killed by micromart and computer active, all the old people buy them, and like 30-40 percent of the customers at work are old people. Last cover of pc format I saw was bright green. Go figure :p

#66 Blythy

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:11

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt

Depth - what form of motorsport is there that we don't cover that deserves our attention?


Nascar races seem to get little coverage compared to say IRL. I know there's at least 2 Brits in IRL who could have been champions, but IRL always seems to ge the double page race report where as the nextel cup gets 3 paragraphs and a rundown from 1 to 10. The July 19th issue I'm using as a ref here doesn't even have a mention of Montoya. a little extra space would be nice (oh and while I'm griping, the glossy centre pages are perfect as a poster, they've been used once for that since I've subscribed, I look every week and there's never one there :cry: )

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:22

Originally posted by jonpollak
ROEBUCK GONE....?
Does this mean he is no longer going to be published on here?

If so, that's a lot worse than losing the Bish.

Jp


I dunno, I haven't seen anything announced by sutosport about roebuck leaving and now I remember a few weeks ago I saw the front page of motorsport saying "nigel roebuck on... something or other" which could like mean he'll write for both. Call it wishful thinking, but autosport and motorsport don't seem to overlap much. I think I've seen 1 contemporary article on the front cover of motorsport in the 2 years I've been working at smiths.

btw, does this mean we won't have to have that god awful green quarterly supplement? I mean yes green issues can sometimes be important, but an annual paragraph or two is enough. The extra plastic, paper, ink and transportation (journalists getting the features, paper getting to the press, magazine getting to the wholesaler, wholesaler to the newsagents) just means more CO2 and all those little nasties.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:27

I've always enjoyed Matt Bishop's articles and I will miss his contributions to F1 Magazine. I subscribe, even though it is very expensive (and very late) on this side of the pond. I enjoy the technical insight and the other editorial content.

I look forward to seeing what Mr. Bishop does at McLaren. I hope they give him some control of the Racing Line magazine. It's pretty good, but I think he can make it better.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 01:56

Originally posted by Dalton007


Sell-out? He's going to work for an F! team! It's not selling out, he applied for a job (did he?) and got it. Nothing wrong with that. He wants to further his career.


Obviously not as a journo because he's finished that career stem now, and branched into the spin doctor stem.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 04:30

Originally posted by karlth
Thankfully Bishop is leaving, and motorsport journalism will be all the better for it.

His article on Ralf Schumacher in the September issue of F1 Racing was the the worst piece of populistic journalism I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

Then again publically humiliating drivers seems to be the norm now for those who leach.


+1. The Bish stikes me as a petty, egomaniacal bully.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 04:46

Originally posted by Blythy
I wish there was an English language internet/magazine version of Autosport for bikes...

erm, to my knowledge the only motorbike magazines that have anything to do withsport are MCN, and trials and motorcross (or something like that) Everything else is consumer and lifestyle (BIKE etc). Both of them are newspaper format (like motorsport news).


True, but I dodn't mention MCN as it isn't as readily available in North America (where I am from) as those consumer and lifestyle mags are. In comparison I can find autosport just about any bookstore/magazine stand with a decent selection. I can't even get MCN through British Magazine importers like ewa.

As for Bishop leaving Autosport... that is his business. I fail to see how it is 'ugly', a 'sell out', or a travesty of journalism. How the hell is this a sell out anyway?

#72 Blythy

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 06:58

Originally posted by ehagar


True, but I dodn't mention MCN as it isn't as readily available in North America (where I am from) as those consumer and lifestyle mags are. In comparison I can find autosport just about any bookstore/magazine stand with a decent selection. I can't even get MCN through British Magazine importers like ewa.

As for Bishop leaving Autosport... that is his business. I fail to see how it is 'ugly', a 'sell out', or a travesty of journalism. How the hell is this a sell out anyway?


It's possibly cos it's a newspaper style mag, http://www.motorcycl....com/MCN/sport/

try here for a subscription

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 09:28

Originally posted by kar


I don't have access to the 2007 figures, but I would be greatly impressed if at the end of the year that trend has been significantly bucked.


Maybe all those Lewis covers paid off ;)

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:06

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt
Depth - what form of motorsport is there that we don't cover that deserves our attention?


Andy,

Can I suggest UK national motorsport is lacking in coverage, Autosport is after all a UK publication, but the coverage and reports from the national scene is very poor, I would guess that a large percentage of the people who attend a race meeting on a Sunday will buy the following Thursday's Autosport to read about the meeting they went to, or at least they would if they thought there would be more than a couple of lines per race.

While F1 is the biggest series around, I do think there is too much F1 in the magazine at times, to the point where some articles really do read as F1 space fillers, and it is this that is disappointing to readers, we do enjoy the sport and are knowledgeable about it but don't enjoy reading articles that are at the level of childrens TV.

I purchased my 1st copy of Autosport in 1985 (age 14) and became a regular buyer in '86 but in recent years I've only bought editions which had something I really wanted to see (The McRae edition being the most recent, and TBH I was disappointed in that and the magazine as a whole).

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:16

oh dear

So Ralf won't be going to McLaren then in the future?

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:34

Thing is, people who want to read about the race they attended fall into two groups:

1) People who attend a big meeting (F1, F3 + GT, touring cars...) who want to get the inside scoop of what they saw from the stands.

2) People who attend a small meeting, know what happened in their meetings and the gossip in the paddock, and want to see their name (or someone they know) in print.

You can appreciate that the audience for the first is significantly larger than the second. After all, the UK MG Maestro Championship sponsored by Acme Builders Merchants would be a pretty close knit community. Anyway, don't a lot of these events appear in Motorsport News?

The options are limited coverage in the back of Autosport, or no coverage in Autosport. I know which I'd find preferable.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 14:33

well he never said anything bad about mclaren for the past 3/4 issues so matt was nicely eyeing a job at MAC

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 14:34

Originally posted by sensible


Maybe all those Lewis covers paid off ;)


yep and speaking so highly of LH and having mclaren pictures plastered all over the past 3 issues

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 14:35

Originally posted by Blythy


I dunno, I haven't seen anything announced by sutosport about roebuck leaving...

Me neither.. was just panicing.
I will go with your assumtion that untill we are told he ain't contributing.. we still get him.

Glass Half Full
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 15:37

Originally posted by Welsh
So Ralf won't be going to McLaren then in the future?


And hopes to see Jacques Villeneuve in McLaren should also be abandoned :lol:

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 17:02

Risil :up: :lol:

Have you picked up a copy of the Daily Worker recently? Their in-depth coverage of dialectical struggle between the bourgeios Hamilton (and his collusion with the unrepresentative, oppressive Mclaren regime) and the politically-awakened proletarian Alonso, and his commitment to the revolutionary cause via a dogged programme of civil disobedience and industrial disruption, was particularly inspiring.

Brilliant! :clap: :rotfl:

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 17:40

Originally posted by jonpollak

Me neither.. was just panicing.
I will go with your assumtion that untill we are told he ain't contributing.. we still get him.


Jp,

From the TNF thread:

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt


I'm naturally disappointed Nigel has decided to move on, but I understand his reasons why. Rats leaving a sinking ship it ain't.

Best

Andrew van de Burgt

Editor, Autosport


Disappointing indeed. :(

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 17:56

Hack...
I wonder what Nigel's motivation was to...Abandon Ship?
The state of modern magazines?
Haymarket "policy"
Racing becoming secondary to the off track soap opera
or...god forbid...being censored?
Jp

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 18:12

Originally posted by jonpollak
Hack...
I wonder what Nigel's motivation was to...Abandon Ship?
The state of modern magazines?
Haymarket "policy"
Racing becoming secondary to the off track soap opera
or...god forbid...being censored?
Jp


Money?

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 18:28

Originally posted by BorderReiver


BriSCA!

No?

What's that?

What do you mean "No-one cares!"?!?!?!?;).


:smoking:

I saw Andy's post and thought the same thing.....i'd even accept news on rods and autograss too :D Just a spread a week of mini-reports of the 'headline' meeting for each formula the previous weekend, that kinda thing...i stand to be corrected but oval racing never gets a mention in the 'cheap ways to race' winter-issue filler articles, and it does all of the different disciplines (from hot rods to bangers, stock cars to GP midgets) a disservice ..... grass roots etc

oh, and Autosport without 5th column will be a poorer place :| Best wishes Nigel, and thank you.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 20:27

I think if you pick up a copy of Motorsport it becomes pretty clear, the two have such a distinctly different feel and Motorsport feels very unique to read, there's no real online equivalent, perhaps with the exception of some of the occasional knock out journal pieces we get here on this site.

Motorsport seems unique, whereas Autosport seems to be aimed at a market that can just as easily get that information on the internet.

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 05:33

Originally posted by Andy Van De Burgt


... Autosport circulation peaked at the end of the Mansell/Hill era (1997). It is no coincidence that our rise in sales mirrors British (Lewis Hamilton's) success. Given that he could have a decade or more as a potential world championship contender, I'm optimistic that this trend could continue.


great...

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 13:53

Good riddance to Bishop, I'd go as far to say he's one of the worst Motorsport journo's I've ever come across, have never read an article by him that wasn't absolute rubbish and he is a man, after all, who changes his opinion like the wind. Therefore how can one expect him to have insightful, intelligent pieces without his own ego (not to mention grudges) getting in the way?

I haven't read F1 Racing for a long time so I have missed his bashing of Ralf. Yet I believe everything that's been said of it, he did the same to Villeneuve from 2003 onwards, basically making Jacques out to be an absolute hack who never should have been let near an F1 car. Degrading his whole career and everything he had achieved and his performances over the years, not just what he was from 04 onwards. Of course, this was the same bloke who wrote in the early 00's just how fascinating it would be to have Villeneuve in a McLaren and how his huge talents were being wasted at BAR. In other words, the Bish did think highly of him, then one day decided Jacques was always ****ing useless and had achieved nothing from the word go......

Ralf should kick him in the head. :lol:

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 14:49

Originally posted by kar
I think if you pick up a copy of Motorsport it becomes pretty clear, the two have such a distinctly different feel and Motorsport feels very unique to read, there's no real online equivalent, perhaps with the exception of some of the occasional knock out journal pieces we get here on this site.

Motorsport seems unique, whereas Autosport seems to be aimed at a market that can just as easily get that information on the internet.


It sees to me to be a logical move for Roebuck. His articles on the modern state of Formula One always brought reference to days of old. Maybe he just got sick of the current sport, and has decided to go to a magazine dedicated to the memory of the sport he adored. His stories and insight will go a long way to making Motorsport, which I already love, into an unmissable title.

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Posted 28 September 2007 - 20:43

Therefore how can one expect him to have insightful, intelligent pieces without his own ego (not to mention grudges) getting in the way?



TS says that before Bishop can start cleaning Mclaren's image he needs to clean his own, as his personality splits opinions at the paddock.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 15:44

Had to talk about this:

http://www.sportspro....com/bishop.htm

Somewhere.

I can't believe this story has stayed buried for as long as it has. Given the implications for almost the entire corps of the British press maybe that's why.

Bishop hadn't even started before he had adopted McLaren's cock up at all costs work ethic.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 15:49

Originally posted by kar
Had to talk about this:

http://www.sportspro....com/bishop.htm

Somewhere.

I can't believe this story has stayed buried for as long as it has. Given the implications for almost the entire corps of the British press maybe that's why.


You got it. :up:

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 15:55

Certainly gives us (even more) appreciation for Ed Gorman at the times. It's a bit funny - and concerning - that it seems to take fresh blood without cosy relationships with some of the teams to get critical commentary on the politics of F1.

I seem to recall him being mocked at a press conference in his first year (late 06 or something).

Wonder who is laughing now, as he is one of the few remaining credible journos in the British hack pack.

Oh well Ed :up:
UK press eating up whatever McLaren puts down (a usually smelly substance) :down:

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:02

Originally posted by kar
Had to talk about this:

http://www.sportspro....com/bishop.htm

Somewhere.

I can't believe this story has stayed buried for as long as it has. Given the implications for almost the entire corps of the British press maybe that's why.

Bishop hadn't even started before he had adopted McLaren's cock up at all costs work ethic.


The insider column on which part of the story is based is here

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:03

Originally posted by Gareth


The insider column on which part of the story is based is here


Ahh well done I was looking for it without much success :)

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:03

Originally posted by kar
Had to talk about this:

http://www.sportspro....com/bishop.htm

Somewhere.

I can't believe this story has stayed buried for as long as it has. Given the implications for almost the entire corps of the British press maybe that's why.

Bishop hadn't even started before he had adopted McLaren's cock up at all costs work ethic.

Thanks for that kar, well done McLaren hiring a new pr-chief who is at odds with the FIA before he actually started his new job :lol:

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:05

BMW_F1 sourced that article so :up: :up: to him.

I'm just frankly astounded that it hasn't been made a bigger deal of, if not in Britain (understandable) then by the Spanish or Italian press.

Renault must be utterly livid at the amount of muck they had thrown at them unfairly. And it kind of puts into context McLaren's whole media attitude. There were some throwaway comments by Jonathan Noble last year in the journal about some of the bullying he copped from the McMercenaries.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:05

Originally posted by kar


Ahh well done I was looking for it without much success :)

Follow up on 8 December is here (scroll down to last item).

Tip on google is here ;)

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:13

Amazing how strong the FIA's response was, as though Bishop had been briefing against them rather than merely against Renault....

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 16:18

Originally posted by undersquare
Amazing how strong the FIA's response was, as though Bishop had been briefing against them rather than merely against Renault....

On the eve of an FIA hearing, McLaren put out a briefing on the facts of that hearing that was wrong on virtually every count. I'm not surprised the FIA would react strongly to that.