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#3001 Darren Galpin

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:18

Autosport, 31st July 2014, pg 75

 

Denis Welch was killed during the Pre-1966GP race at the Silverstone Classic meeting on the 27th July 2014. His Lotus 18 hit another car, rolled, and the roll-hoop folded.



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#3002 LittleChris

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 23:04

Awful weekend at Chimay bike meeting recently.  RIP Julien Paquet, Vick De Cooremeter & Thilo Häfele.

 

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#3003 Nemo1965

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 14:21

Autosport, 31st July 2014, pg 75

 

Denis Welch was killed during the Pre-1966GP race at the Silverstone Classic meeting on the 27th July 2014. His Lotus 18 hit another car, rolled, and the roll-hoop folded.

 

Ehrmmm... I have a question. Everytime I read about a death in a meeting with classic cars, I think: 'Strange, I can't remember this being mentioned in the main coverage.'

 

I understand the happening in Silverstone was a great success. Autosport had a cover on it. The death of Denis Welch was not mentioned in the article, I believe. Isn't that a bit... well...



#3004 Ray Bell

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 16:37

This meeting was on a Saturday...

When did the report of Welch's death emanate from Silverstone? I think the report quoted on the thread about his death mentions that he died some time after the accident... perhaps too late for the report?

#3005 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 16:53

Welch's accident happened on the Sunday, and the announcement of his death was made by Silverstone later that same day.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 21:50

Denis Welch was mentioned in the first and the second to last paragraph of Autosports main coverage.



#3007 Nemo1965

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 09:19

Denis Welch was mentioned in the first and the second to last paragraph of Autosports main coverage.

 

Ok! :up: I had not seen it, I was just wondering about it. Racing classic GP cars seems very dangerous to me...



#3008 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:10

I think you'd have to say it always was...

Who, after all, wouldn't expect the Lotus 18 'rollover bar' to go folding over?

Edited by Ray Bell, 10 August 2014 - 22:36.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 18:48

I think you'd have to say it always was...

Who, after all, wouldn't expect the Lotus 18 'rollover bar' from folding over?

 

Yeah, but Ray, back in the days the cars were driven by elite drivers... and even those elite drivers would have gone to a rather steep 'Darwin selection' before they could get their hands on a F1 car. On top of that, it my estimation that if I watch historic races with old F1 cars and I see 'harmless' spins, the driver always seem to be totally befuddled what the hell just happened... The cars seem to 'bite' totally different than of more modern race-cars...



#3010 Ray Bell

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 22:52

Kevin Ward Jr, 20, died after a crash at Canandaigua Motorsports Park in upstate New York on Saturday...

He had been involved in a Sprint Car crash with Tony Stewart which put his car into the fence and spun it around, from the video uploaded by CNN it appears he climbed from the car and was waving his finger at Stewart coming around on the following lap and somehow Stewart hit him.

He died on the way to hospital.

http://edition.cnn.c...iver/index.html

#3011 Michael Ferner

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:49

Oh my, this is terrible! Of all people, Tony Stewart is involved in this tragedy, a man who has done so much for racing over the last twenty years. The fact alone that he raced in the local and fairly minor ESS event on the eve of a NASCAR date in the vicinity speaks volumes...

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 10:02

After having worked in the media

 

Any deaths are dealt with in very odd ways.

 

The people runing the Classic will ahve a PR arm, they could well have got involved here?

 

THe Tony Stewart thing looks plain awful, quite how you deal with that from a media perspective anyone knows!  The guy was clearly distraught at being taken out and was perhaps out of line by going on track which caused the problem really. But a total nightmare for all concerned as he was such a young lad. And of course Stewart is not going to do anything like this.



#3013 Vitesse2

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 11:16

The Ward/Stewart incident is all over the media at present, with an awful lot of speculation and possible misinformation surrounding it. However, I would respectfully ask that it should not be discussed in this thread since it is by way of being a memorial. By all means contribute to the thread in RC - if you so wish - but be warned that it is the thread currently taking up most moderator time. The two comment posts so far will remain, but I reserve the right to remove or edit them should they attract anything more unsavoury.



#3014 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 18:54

The Ward/Stewart incident is all over the media at present, with an awful lot of speculation and possible misinformation surrounding it. However, I would respectfully ask that it should not be discussed in this thread since it is by way of being a memorial. By all means contribute to the thread in RC - if you so wish - but be warned that it is the thread currently taking up most moderator time. The two comment posts so far will remain, but I reserve the right to remove or edit them should they attract anything more unsavoury.

 

So, glowing, positive things about Stewart are ok, but nothing on his history of violent outbursts, sometimes behind the wheel during races?

 

That seems rather one-sided.



#3015 Vitesse2

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 19:15

Jim: I of course respect and bow to both your and Michael's knowledge and am certainly aware that there are differing opinions about Stewart - which has been more than demonstrated in RC. However, I took Michael's post to be pretty much factual - as indeed is yours, putting the opposite point of view. What I was seeking to avoid was a discussion of those two opinions: so far more than thirty posts have had to be pulled from RC, mostly due to potential libel. And ultimately, in the context of the purpose of this thread, Stewart - while involved - is not directly relevant: he's still alive.



#3016 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 19:23

Vitesse, understood and it's an unenviable task.  My major concern, which there are other threads for, is the U.S. racing media whitewashing of Tony Stewart without even a cursory examination.  This concern does not mean I believe he is guilty, nor innocent.  I truly don't know.  Tony Stewart is the only person that knows what he saw or didn't see and what he did or didn't do.  At times, I've wondered if even he truly knows.



#3017 Darren Galpin

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 20:46

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/115389

 

Timothy Cathcart was killed on the Ulster Rally on the 15th August 2014.



#3018 Darren Galpin

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 07:58

http://www.courant.c...0,3026941.story

 

Lee Duran was killed driving a 1934 MG PA Special at the Lime Rock vintage meet on 30th August 2014.



#3019 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 15:05

Another obscure case from the past.

 

In his famous book "Albo della Gloria: Al Piloti Caduti in Tutto il Mondo al Loro Posto di Combattimento", published in 1972 in Italy, the author Emanuele Carli listed the name of French driver Paul Mélot

As he wrote "he was killed in an unspecified circuit in France, in 1966".

 

The Motorsport Memorial staff is unable to find any information about this case, nothing is available by the web.

Possibly a Frenchman could try to find more detail by local sources, magazines, newspapers, etc.

 

Thank you.


Edited by Nanni Dietrich, 19 September 2014 - 15:05.


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#3020 Darren Galpin

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 12:02

On the page for Kenneth Burke (http://motorsportmemorial.org/focus.php?db=ct&n=2807 ), it says the following:-

 

The fatal race included six other drivers: Deacon Litz, of DuBois; B. A. Wall, of Pittsburgh; Yokum (or George) Fye, ? Rupert and Red Linkfelter, all of Altoona.

 

That's actually only five drivers. Checking the Clearfield Progress, 20th October 1924, pg 11, I think that Yocum (as spelt in the newspaper) and Fye were two different drivers, hence it could well be George Fye.



#3021 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 13:04

Ancestry has a lot of people listed with the surname Yocum in Pennsylvania. There's also a George Jay Fye: the 1920 census shows him as living in Winslow, about 60 miles from Altoona - but his wife had been born there.

 

Linkfelter appears to be a typo for Lingfelter. No obvious Rupert, although there is a Chester R Lingfelter listed in Altoona. And also a Harry V Lingfelter, so maybe he's Red? The rest of the Lingfelter clan - of whom there are a lot - seem to have lived in the town of Freedom, about 120 miles away.



#3022 Michael Ferner

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 15:01

The Motorsport Memorial page also says that Kenny Quinn was "one of four entries in the fifty mile race" (my emphasis). I don't recall my sources, but I have also only four starters: C. A. "Charly" Wall from Clairton (later Washington) in Western PA, and three men from Du Bois: Deacon Litz, Bill Yocum and Kenny Quinn. I have no knowledge at all about racing drivers named Fye, Linkfelter or Lingfelter; they may have been locals engaged in preliminary events, or maybe they were riding mechanics? Anyway, Clearfield Driving Park was used again as an automobile racing track, I have two AAA dates listed there in the thirties, drivers including one Tommy Hinnershitz.

Edited by Michael Ferner, 24 September 2014 - 15:04.


#3023 LittleChris

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 19:14

Ryan Bradley has died following an accident in the Down Rally

 

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#3024 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 13:43

I have no idea if these have previously been recorded, the search facility is worthless these days...

23 year-old Barry Robinson died at Sydney Showground Speedway when the pitman arm snapped on his lightweight speedcar. The crash occurred on lap 6 of the Feature event, he had already finished second in the Junior Feature on the same night.

I'm afraid I failed to note the date, but it all happened in 1964, Robinson was a signwriter and was in his third year of racing.

On May 13 1962 Kevin Jefferson died at the Brisbane Exhibition Speedway when he crashed his speedcar. He was 26.

Sources: Australian Motor Sports magazines.

#3025 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 12:57

Again, due to the lack of a decent search facility, I don't know if this has been mentioned...

In Australian Motor Sport for September 1956 the leading Spotlight article mentions a fatality at Mt Druitt. While the list of contents mentions 'Mt Druitt Car Races' there is no such report in the magazine. I looked, trust me! I even checked there was no missing pages in the magazine, it's not there.

The real problem is that no name is mentioned. The item reports as follows:

THE RESUMPTION OF RACING at Mount Druitt was not altogether without incident; one sedan car driver unfortunately lost his life when his Holden overturned on the sweeping bend onto the airstrip (which was a dust bowl even after practice, so badly was the new surface laid) and a TR2 driver turned a somersault sitting in his car between Dam and Tyresoles, leaping out with every evidence of acute chagrin and watching the rest of the race in which he had, until then, been doing quite well.


I've never heard of this death before and the lack of a report on the meeting means there's nothing more in the magazine about it. Perhaps in some other magazine?

Perhaps Barry Lake has recorded this one early in this thread as well?

#3026 Tim Murray

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Posted 26 November 2014 - 14:08

The search engine had no problem with this one, using 'Druitt' as the keyword, in spite of the discussion dating back a dozen years:
 

At Mount Druitt, Australia, on July 22, 1956.

J. Singleton lost control of his Holden sedan and plunged off the track. Singleton was thrown from the wreckage and died shortly afterwards.

Source: Sports Cars and Specials, October 1956

Can you supply the first name Barry?



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It seems in Singleton's case, even death didn't bring notoriety.

Australian Motor Sports magazine reported the incident (in R B Pritchett's Spotlight column - there was no report on the meeting that I could find) as, "...a sedan car driver unfortunately lost his life when his Holden..."

I checked John Medley's excellent Bathurst book, for which he went to a lot of trouble to find full names of drivers. On his one start at Bathurst, the driver is listed as "J Singleton".

Add it to the ever-growing list of items requiring further research.



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I wonder if he was related to Barry Singleton who raced F5000 in the seventies.



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The unfortunate driver killed at Mt Druitt on 22/7/56 was
Joseph Singleton, aged 40.

Source - Front page of Sydney Morning Herald 23/7/56

 

It's also made it onto Motorsport Memorial:

 

http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=4468