Personal rally photos from the road, stage & service area
#1
Posted 28 September 2007 - 22:58
If this is allowed, I would hope for photos from way back, at least from before the 4wd invasion.
After the "Big" Healey had been restricted in Group3 by the new for 1966 Appendix J, one final outing of an "ultimate" version was planned for the 1967 RAC Rally, which had secured approval to run Groups 5 and 6 cars. Peter Browning's personal car was taken back into the works. Then came foot and mouth and a silent start car park at the Excelsior Hotel, Heathrow.
#3
Posted 29 September 2007 - 07:45
Sterling
#4
Posted 29 September 2007 - 08:58
1970: Jim Percival, Jaguar to the bone, punting his Jag
1970: John Glasson and Peter Longley in Peter's Cortina.
1969: Jim Sharples (who was my high school woodwork instructor) and Ron Mitchell in the infamous Ute, with the auxiliary windscreen wiper motor rigged:
1969: Myers and Williams, land crab
#5
Posted 29 September 2007 - 09:14
#6
Posted 29 September 2007 - 12:13
Western Australia, 1968 1,000 Mile rally, breakfast stop, Roelands: on the extreme right in corduroy cap is the Hon John Dawson-Damer, while looking over her shoulder at the camera (or, as I prefer to think, looking at me) is his then wife Rosemary. She was driving that Cooper S, he was navigating.
#7
Posted 29 September 2007 - 13:37
Originally posted by sterling49
Great pics Terry!! Love the Mk 11 Jag, never seen that model rallying before
The Morleys used to do it with a mk 1, but Bernard? Consten, plus others- not checked- used a mk 2 in some TdeFrance events in the 60s, IIRC.
Roger Lund.
#8
Posted 29 September 2007 - 14:05
#9
Posted 29 September 2007 - 14:46
Gunnar Palm clears the frost off the windscreen of the Group2 Lotus Cortina (other team cars, including that for Graham Hill were Group5) while Bengt Soderstrom err.."supervises".
Prior to posing for a "photo opportunity".
This Cortina was later used as recce car for the 68 London to Sydney.
#10
Posted 29 September 2007 - 20:31
#12
Posted 29 September 2007 - 21:26
Originally posted by sterling49
love the R8 Gordini and Fulvia flanking the Healey
Sterling
What I lack is an entry list for the cancelled 67 RAC. I have a few listed (some also added by "jarama" on here, via another forum). I believe that R8 Gordini is Jean-Francois Piot.
#13
Posted 30 September 2007 - 17:15
#14
Posted 30 September 2007 - 17:23
Originally posted by Cirrus
I've posted these before, but this is their proper home. 1966 RAC
Nice pictures, Alan.
Carles.
#15
Posted 30 September 2007 - 20:12
Do you know which stage?
#16
Posted 30 September 2007 - 20:28
Originally posted by RS2000
Volvo is Trana or Raimo Kossilla? Only BMW listed is Block/Piquot (can't recall crew names and sound French although it's British registered). Too many Swedish-driven Gordinis to indentify and can't see crew to recognise anyone. Mustang Kennerley/Martland of course (shown as 1427cc in entry list!).
Do you know which stage?
The Volvo must be the Per Lennart Boström / Kurt Tillman one, 'cause is swedish registered and Raimo Kossila is finnish, while Tom Trana was @ the wheel of OA72907.
The BMW only can be the Block / Piquot as you've stated. In my database I've his names spelled C.E. Bock & M. Picot.
On the Gordini theme, we've come to the same conclusion: too many swedish registered Gordinis...
Carles.
#17
Posted 30 September 2007 - 20:40
Complete witha mega loud exhaust..............
#18
Posted 30 September 2007 - 21:03
#19
Posted 30 September 2007 - 22:14
Originally posted by Cirrus
The pictures were taken on he Camberley stage (the first?)
Location is at highest point of stage, electricity pylon nearby?? (although I can't see myself there!).
Yes it was first stage, named Bramshill then but Camberley in later years (as you'll know there's another Bramshill Forest, still used today, to the west beyond Blackbushe).
I wasn't sure whether Kossilla, although a Finn, was in a works (Swedish registerd) Volvo.
That stage was coverd by TV but it was delayed transmission same day, not live, as I got home in time to see me walk between the Gordini of Sylvia Osterberg and the stage finish marshal...
I'm not sure why half Scandanavia had an R8 Gordini on the 66 RAC. Maybe Swedish importer money.
Makinen punctured on that stage and (Roger) Clark was fastest, as he was on the next two, before it all went wrong. All the many other works Cooper Ss had the standard 510 cam in anticipation of snow and were down on power.
#21
Posted 01 October 2007 - 13:18
Originally posted by jarama
On the Gordini theme, we've come to the same conclusion: too many swedish registered Gordinis...
Carles.
A chance viewing of another photo confirms AA5583 as Hakan Linberg.
#22
Posted 01 October 2007 - 14:21
#23
Posted 01 October 2007 - 21:45
Originally posted by RS2000
A chance viewing of another photo confirms AA5583 as Hakan Linberg.
Thankyou for the precission.
Carles.
#24
Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:05
The Volvo must be the Per Lennart Boström / Kurt Tillman one, 'cause is swedish registered and Raimo Kossila is finnish
Often the gifted amateurs were given (bought, lent or hired at favourable rates) factory spec cars which often retained their country of origin registration for taxation and import regulations reasons. I was friends with a Dane in the shipping business who resided in Malmo (Sweden). In '69 he was using a "F" Coventry rego Imp. Renault sort of supported a "B" with factory mechanics and local drivers. So rego and nationality are not a guide.
I must take exception to the needless requote of pictures on this and other threads, damn it all it was only the previous post.
#26
Posted 07 October 2007 - 14:41
I don't think the Wallace Arnold coach full of OAPs had been competing....
#27
Posted 11 October 2007 - 22:22
Stig Blomqvist (Saab) and Markku Alen (Escort)
Sideways Sandro Munari (Stratos) and Walter Rohrl (Ascona)
Bjorn Waldegard (Toyota) and Chris Sclater (Datsun)
Tapio Rainio (Saab) and Carlsson's Fiat
Prince Michael of Kent, who co-drove with Nigel Clarkson, and "Whizzo" Williams
Chris Wathen's rolled Escort and George Hill's Magnum
#28
Posted 12 October 2007 - 07:12
I see that Stig hadn't been on his roof by at this stage!!!!
#30
Posted 22 October 2007 - 19:35
The other DTV Chevette of McRae ran Dunlop but Pentti Airikkala (here talking to mechanics behind team co-ordinator Colin Francis) insisted on Michelin. In the background is the service van of Tim Brise, who was actually leading at this point on the first day on Kleber tyres.
#31
Posted 22 October 2007 - 20:04
#32
Posted 22 October 2007 - 21:41
I feel the need to balance the Toivonen (in a Sunbeam Lotus on Michelin, with at least 20bhp more than those of Frequelin and Brookes) adulation that has become the main historical record of that rally. He did nothing special until a very fast time on Grisedale stuck the knife in any thoughts Mikkola had of winning - but Waldegard in a Celica on Pirelli and Kullang in an Ascona on Michelin, both ahead of him at that point, had problems there so their true comparative pace against his best will never be really known. I'd better admit that, from two particular personal encounters on RACs, I disliked Toivonen.
The story of that rally was "anything but Dunlop". A sole 5.3 diff being saved for Wales went into the Vatanen Escort for Kielder, replacing the intended 5.1 in an attempt to keep up by using higher revs - to no avail.
#33
Posted 23 October 2007 - 06:37
Originally posted by RS2000
I disliked Toivonen.
Please tell us why!
Fred
#34
Posted 23 October 2007 - 19:24
So, he was really a pussycat with those who knew him well, was he?
#35
Posted 24 October 2007 - 17:50
Firstly, Henri could be very difficult at times, but I was a newcomer to the WRC (we did very few big events with the TR7s) so thought it was normal! The fact that I did three full seasons with him (1981-1983), yet no one else ever completed a single season alongside must say something. Recces were always difficult. It seemed that when I was up and ready to go at 7.00 am Henri would appear at midday, but if I turned up at 07.10 the day was spoilt because of the lost ten minutes.
He did seem to be getting things sorted nicely, at least in rallying terms, by the beginning of 1986, before the inexplicable accident in Corsica.
I must say I have never considered his 1980 result anything other than deserved. I can't believe he had 20 bhp more than Frequelin, unless the team expected him to retire and were using experimental parts for 1981. That event was wide open; I remember Peter Ashcroft telling all that Tony Pond would win, while Kullang was very strong too. Grizedale was a very tough stage back then, long and twisty, and you had been on the road for about 30 hours. It was probably second only to the Kielder complex in difficulty.
I do have great memories of events with Henri too - 2nd in Portugal and San Remo 1981 spring to mind, and 3rds in Greece and RAC in 1982 too. There were also two dominant runs in the Isle of Man in 1982 and 1983 although the first ended in retirement.....
When I have unpacked after an imminent house move I'll dig out some old slides of my time with Henri and see if I can figure out how to post them.
Fred
#36
Posted 24 October 2007 - 21:00
Relieved to see you agree that 80 RAC was one of most open ever. Hope the headache from Longleat has gone by now! (I was only recounting that incident to a group of competitors, camping overnight at Longleat at the hill climb, a month ago). We think "surely everyone remembers that?" - then realise some of those we are talking to weren't born then...
The sources I have read say HT's Sunbeam on 80 RAC was the only one there with the ultimate rally engine spec and GF's was (in modern wording) "one specification down" and Russell Brookes' down on GF's. Someone into Sunbeam Loti and running today in historics assures me the difference between best and next best (and hence affordable to him today!) can be up to 20 bhp.
I shouldn't really have mentioned Grisedale. I never went through it without at least one puncture. In 84 we had 2 fronts early on in the 18 or 20 miles or whatever it was and changed both...only fully regaining breath about a day later...
#37
Posted 25 November 2007 - 10:14
The only info I have is "1968?" written on both slides, and the fact that we were living in Colwyn Bay, North Wales at the time.
#38
Posted 25 November 2007 - 11:09
Maybe the Welsh International?
#39
Posted 25 November 2007 - 11:20
http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=464bRTDTges
Get ready to weep.............oh, and when the Stratos goes through
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#40
Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:27
Originally posted by sterling49
It's that time of year again.....click on the link and hear those BDAs howling in Dalby and the echoes from the forest is just awesome...
oh, and when the Stratos goes through
God that takes me back! I was in Dalby when Sandro Munari brought a Stratos through minus front & rear bodywork! The noise was brilliant! You could hear every gear change for miles!!!
#41
Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:35
Originally posted by Stephen W
God that takes me back! I was in Dalby when Sandro Munari brought a Stratos through minus front & rear bodywork! The noise was brilliant! You could hear every gear change for miles!!!
I have similar recollections of Per Inge Walfridsson in Brecon Forest, driving the Chequered Flag car on the Fram Welsh, he too was minus rear bodywork!! He appeared tail 1st...........
#42
Posted 25 November 2007 - 13:03
Not sure yet who is in the Cortina, but a Ford Anglia ran at number 6 so not sure if seeding was in place.
This was the RAC that ended 3 days before the London - Sydney and had no works Ford team.
Richard
#43
Posted 25 November 2007 - 13:53
Originally posted by sterling49
The Fulvias look lovely, can't quite see, were they(the competition car and the support car) on Italian Plates?
#44
Posted 25 November 2007 - 13:58
#45
Posted 25 November 2007 - 14:00
Originally posted by Maldwyn
Certainly on Italian plates!
#46
Posted 25 November 2007 - 14:11
Italian plates, would agree then R.A.C.
#47
Posted 25 November 2007 - 16:47
Without broadband at present, I won't even attempt to view the video link. Is it of last week's "Roger Albert Clark Rally" (the true RAC revival)? My old car in new hands finished 11th (first 8 valve behind all the BDA and Warrior engines) on the 25th anniversary of its first finish on the "real" RAC.
Did Munari lose Stratos rear bodywork too? It was Waldegard on the 75 RAC that ran so long without (under OTL protest that was not subsequently upheld and he was rightly excluded).
#48
Posted 25 November 2007 - 16:59
ECR entries were:
Brookes/Gittins Cortina (D.G. not Russell)
Cooper/Cooper Cortina
Aaltonen/Liddon Fulvia
Munari/Phillips Fulvia
Mikkola/Ahava Fulvia
Cook/Brundle Anglia
Sparrow/Raeburn Cooper S
Coburn/Spokes Viva
Thurlow/Holiday Cooper S
Howells/Hamer Rover 3500
Main/Main Saab
Iliffe/Bolton Chamoix (a fasttback Imp)
Malkin/Brown Cortina (Barrie, not Colin)
First seed in the RAC proper was Vic Elford's 911T
#49
Posted 25 November 2007 - 17:31
Originally posted by RS2000
The 68 RAC had a dozen or so cars in the "European Cup Rally" (for cars outside Gp1/2/3/4 homologated spec) running ahead of the RAC proper. The Lancias ran in that section. Number 1 was a V6 Cortina. Number 2 (which won that section/event after the Lancias broke, was Rod Cooper (of Supersport Engines fame) and his brother Ian in the Cortina originally run by other Supersport partner Bill Mellis. It had a 1650 Twincam engine, taking it outside Gp2 eligibility and the main RAC Rally. The Anglia mentioned (a 1650 pushrod) was Nev Cook's. He mentioned how he inadvertently briefly held up Aaltonen on one stage and went over to apologise at the stage finish - only to be told "no problem, I knew you would move over as soon as there was space" (a gentleman, a bit different to some later on...). Excellent photos.
Without broadband at present, I won't even attempt to view the video link. Is it of last week's "Roger Albert Clark Rally" (the true RAC revival)? My old car in new hands finished 11th (first 8 valve behind all the BDA and Warrior engines) on the 25th anniversary of its first finish on the "real" RAC.
Did Munari lose Stratos rear bodywork too? It was Waldegard on the 75 RAC that ran so long without (under OTL protest that was not subsequently upheld and he was rightly excluded).
I did some of the same events as John Barter and Dave Kirkham who used to enter their 1300 Sport under the "Supersport" banner. Supersport used to prepare great cars. The link was the "Roger A.C.Rally" and it was showing Dalby, superb. I never got out on this years event but will make sure I get to next years running with some likeminded mates. What was your car an RS2000 or a Twink? Walfridson came through some of the 1975 Fram Welsh stages with rear end missing, he never finished the event(IIRC it caught fire), but it was a great spectacle and the exhaust noise was just musical The names in the entry list, what memories, Barry Malkin, Richard Iliffe, Coburn and Spokes, Will Sparrow/Nigel Raeburn, great days!!
#50
Posted 25 November 2007 - 21:03
One photo I obtained last week from an Italian in San Remo, via France, was this. I asked him if I could re-post it and he readilly agreed but I am still worried about its origin and whether something got lost in translation of two non-natives communicating in French. If anyone believes it is copyright here in UK I will delete it immediately - but it's too good to ignore:
The guy next to JC looks like Bruce McLaren but it couldn't possibly be him!